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The Bible Verse Muslims Don't Like
« on: September 23, 2009, 06:23:34 PM »
It has been my experience that the verse from the Word of God most convicting to Muslims is:

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Because it so clearly indicates the monotheistic nature of Christianity, and in terms they can understand through elements in their own religion, Muslims will declare it was a corruption, or added later, or any one of a number of different ways to try to escape the truth contained in the verse.
The reason for this is because it offers them an opportunity to understand exactly what Christians believe, as opposed to what a 7th century desert dwelling illiterate taught them that Christians believe.

Muslims believe in God, who is expressed in the verse as "the Father". http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=316.0

Muslims believe the Quran is the "word" of Allah from preserved tablets in heaven, and sent down to Mohammed through "Jibriel".

85.21 Day, this is a Glorious Qur'an, 22 (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZqipvqTpM

And they believe that God has a Spirit:   

Sura 38:72 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

They become angered at the verse simply because it shows them in simple terms that they believe in a similar three elements in Mohammed's religion! Thus rather than three separate gods, as Mohammed accused Christians of believing, Muslims can see just how preposterous that false accusation is. But the cacophony of cries that the verse was added later, or the verse has been thrown out, and outright hostility toward the verse, further fails to acknowledge that it is the subject of the New Testament. The Father, Word and Holy Spirit are what the new covenant is about, and is reinforced throughout.

Repeated in almost the very same words here:
 
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The only verse needed to achieve an understanding of the relationship between the above two verses being this verse:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God "manifest", or revealed Himself, through the flesh of Jesus Christ. The Word made flesh. The perfect and sin free man to provide the perfect example for all mankind. Followed by the perfect sacrifice of himself through which all who believe in His shed blood may be saved. Even some Muslims believe that the first drop of blood shed by a so-called Muslim martyr may provide propitiation for the sins of 70 of his nearest and dearest friends and relatives. Jesus' shed blood is how a Good God allowed us all to be saved from our sins through this new covenant.

So rather than the Word being passed down to a murdering, thief in the 7th century to contradict all of the prior prophets and witnesses in scripture, the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.

Stunningly Muslims even believe that God made Mary pregnant with Jesus Christ, yet deny that Jesus is God's Son, and God Jesus' Father, as the hundreds of verses in the Gospel declare. Thus Muslims are stuck having to believe that Mary had a child by and of herself. Because if God said "be", and Mary became pregnant with Jesus, it's painfully obvious who Jesus Father is. Yet they are taught He is fatherless, even as so often we hear them cry for "logic".

The reason is because Islam is the anti-religion. Islam is antichrist. If a Muslim were to declare Jesus to be God's Son they will have committed the most egregious and only unforgivable sin in Mohammed's/Satan's 7th century religion. Thus we can clearly see that this is the work of the jealous fallen angel Satan, ruling in his antichrist kingdom.

If a person deluded into believing themselves to be a Christian, but were to deny that Jesus is the Son of God, they of course would not have been a Christian to begin with.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

Here's how the opening verse appeared in the original Koine Greek

(Greek/English Interlinear (tr) NT) 1 John 5:7  oti  <3754> {BECAUSE}  treiV  <5140> {THREE}  eisin  <1526> (5748) {THERE ARE}  oi  <3588> {WHO}  marturounteV  <3140> (5723) {BEAR WITNESS}  en  <1722>  tw  <3588> {IN}  ouranw  <3772> {HEAVEN,}  o  <3588> {THE}  pathr  <3962> {FATHER,}  o  <3588> {THE}  logoV  <3056> {WORD,}  kai  <2532> {AND}  to  <3588> {THE}  agion  <40> {HOLY}  pneuma  <4151> {GHOST;}  kai  <2532> {AND}  outoi  <3778>  oi  <3588> {THESE}  treiV  <5140> {THREE}  en  <1520> {ONE}  eisin  <1526> (5748) {ARE.}

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Re: The Bible Verse Muslims Don't Like
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 06:07:13 AM »
I think Muslim believes that Jesus is only a prophet and he is not a member of the Godhead. They don't believe in a Messiah who had come to save the world. Christian beliefs are far different from the Islam though they both believe in God.
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Re: The Bible Verse Muslims Don't Like
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 06:43:23 AM »
I think Muslim believes that Jesus is only a prophet and he is not a member of the Godhead.

Good morning rcbako and welcome to the forum! :)
Sorry the forum is a little sticky this morning. Our website was hacked a couple days ago and security settings are being adjusted.

Indeed not only do Muslims believe that Jesus was just another prophet, but they are prohibited from making a distinction between Jesus and the rest of the prophets.

Qur'an 3:84-85 Say (O Muhammad): "We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and in (Books) given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

And this even though at the same time they believe that Jesus was the only person in human history, to be born of a virgin, by the express will of God. Isn't that amazing?

They don't believe in a Messiah who had come to save the world.

Indeed. This is what makes Islam the opposite of the 1600 year record of God to mankind, whether in Old Testament prophecy, or New Testament fulfillment.
And this even though the very name of the Messiah "Yahshua/Yeshua" means YHWH saves, or rescues!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1728.0

Christian beliefs are far different from the Islam though they both believe in God.

But sadly unlike any other religion on earth, Muslims are filled with complete resolve as to what to DISbelieve. That Jesus wasn't crucified, yet they are completely dumbfounded when asked as to just who was crucified.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=628.0

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Re: The Bible Verse Muslims Don't Like
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 12:28:48 PM »
It would be accurate fact that the  Name muhammed was ever mentioned in any of the gospels new and old. It would also be an accurate assesment to say that this guy Muhammed, from a Christian perspective was NO prophet, actually not even close to being a prophet, I would say 100% anti-christ more then anything else.
 

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Re: The Bible Verse Muslims Don't Like
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 01:30:51 PM »
Part of Muhammad's problem with the concept of the Trinity was his misconception of the Godhead. He thought Christians believed God was Father, Son, and Mary, as three separate beings. He drew his conclusion from his observations of Roman Catholics' veneration of the mother of Jesus, coupled with his limited understanding of the nature of God.


Regarding the Sonship of Christ, not one Muslim who has ever diligently searched the scriptures has found any verses stating that God took Mary as a wife, or had any sort of physical union with her. The idea of that happening is as foreign to Christians as it is to them. They do not understand that Yeshua is the eternal Son of God, who has no beginning and no end, and that he  miraculously took on human form in Mary's womb, and was not a man we made into God.

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Re: The Bible Verse Muslims Don't Like
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 02:53:06 PM »
It would be accurate fact that the  Name muhammed was ever mentioned in any of the gospels new and old. It would also be an accurate assesment to say that this guy Muhammed, from a Christian perspective was NO prophet, actually not even close to being a prophet, I would say 100% anti-christ more then anything else.

Certainly the scriptures agree with your assessment.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm

Revealed as the exact opposite of Jesus Christ, just as Mohammed's stand-alone 7th century record is revealed as the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel.
http://www.petewaldo.com/

The stunning thing to me is that there could be any kind of an ecumenical movement that includes the exact opposite of the Gospel of Jesus Christ under their "big tent". Yet some bible-ignorant buffoons - that don't understand the Muslims goals as they exercise their taqiyyah and soften up the target - have been deceived into believing they are Christians even while touting a "Chrislam" movement.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2121.0