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General Discussion / HE IS RISEN! Have a blessed Easter everybody!
« on: April 11, 2020, 07:49:19 AM »
HE IS RISEN!  Have a blessed Easter and may everyone stay happy, healthy and safe.

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https://clarionproject.org/sharia-punishment-ilhan-omar-calls-for-flogging-critics-with-80-stripes

"Ilhan Omar Calls for Sharia Flogging of Critics with ’80 Stripes’

Congresswoman Ilhan Omar called for a sharia punishment of flogging for her critics who have accused her of adultery for her affair with Tim Mynett.

“And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever. They indeed are the Faasiqoon (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

The issue here isn’t whether Ilhan Omar committed adultery. The issue is a sitting congresswoman invoked threat of brutal sharia violence against her critics. It’s an unprecedented move and was met with backlash from the public, including a collective of leadership.

    “This is no way to address the Somali community in our district. You basically are telling them that if they say the truth, about you, they will [be] punished by the sharia law that you are trying to import to our country. My oath is to the U.S. Constitution.” – Dalia Al-Aqidi, veteran journalist challenging Ilhan Omar for Minnesota’s 5th district.

    “Seriously Congresswoman? You’re a US lawmaker, considering ISIS & other Islamists have only recently implemented such scripture with horrific results, how appropriate do you think it is for you to be publicly citing this passage advocating lashing other human beings, so publicly?” – Maajid Nawaz, Executive Director of Quilliam

    “Not only is Ilhan Omar justifying every hysteria of sharia in America, she’s also calling for cruel and unusual punishment and censoring free speech of critics. This is a HUGE problem. This is NOT what it means to be an American. SHE’S NOT AMERICAN.” – Shireen Qudosi, Clarion Project National Correspondent

Ilhan Omar’s tweet came the same day as another tweet using the Arabic expression for praising God and redirecting it as a political attack, to which human rights activist Yasmine Mohammed offered a quick retort educating Ilhan Omar on her own faith terminology.



    Ilhan Omar
    ?
    @IlhanMN
     · Mar 31, 2020

    Subhanallah! https://twitter.com/axios/status/1245112239373324289
    Axios
    ?
    @axios

    NEW: Trump says next two weeks in the U.S. will be "very painful" and that he wants "every American to be prepared for the days that lie ahead."https://www.axios.com/trump-coronavirus-models-two-weeks-0dad0224-ef4e-457b-9e83-143d38d0799c.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

    Yasmine Mohammed ?????? ???? 🦋 @YasMohammedxx

    For those of you unaware, that phrase is said when you’re happy. She is praising Allah. She is praising Allah that Americans will be going through a very painful time.
If she were commiserating, she’d say Allah yahmeena (Allah protect us) or  Autho billah (I seek refuge w Allah)

It’s important to remember that elected officials are duty-bound to uphold U.S. law — not Islamic law. Advocating for a medieval penal code not only fuels and justifies concerns about sharia integration into American culture, it’s not an act in service of the American people."

https://clarionproject.org/sharia-punishment-ilhan-omar-calls-for-flogging-critics-with-80-stripes

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https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/radical-imams-are-spewing-anti-semitism-in-the-us-with-impunity/

"Radical imams are spewing anti-Semitism in the US with impunity

Muslim clerics are threatening the lives of Jews from the pulpits of American mosques, and they are doing it with virtual impunity, say former US law-enforcement officials who worry that the rhetoric could lead to violent attacks.

Over the past six months, at least five prominent US imams have been caught on tape preaching violence against Jews in sermons at mosques across America.

Yet these radical preachers inciting anti-Semitic violence aren’t prosecuted or even permanently banished by the leadership of their mosques.

“It’s outrageous they aren’t immediately removed and investigated for what may be solicitation [to commit a crime of violence],” was the view of veteran FBI Special Agent John Guandolo, who now runs a counterterrorism consulting firm, Understanding the Threat LLC.

Jewish people already are disproportionately targeted for hate crimes in America, but recent sermons could fan the flames of anti-Semitism. In November, the FBI released new data showing there were more Jewish victims of anti-religious hate crimes in 2016 (the last reported year) than victims of all other religious groups combined."

much more
https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/radical-imams-are-spewing-anti-semitism-in-the-us-with-impunity/

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https://youtu.be/353S6vFyngI?list=PLlKKrw6PFly7A70FqEtSz6x-MJsSDEyA3

I agree regarding your take on suicide to a certain extent (since Muslims even travel to foreign nations to engage in jihad in the hopes of being "martyred" in battle), but how can you suggest that terrorism is not Islamic?

Surah 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them 

Bukhari, V1 B52, #220 Allah's Apostle said, ".....I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)....."

Surah 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods.....

How can you deny that followers of Muhammad are called to conquer the world, as prescribed in the Quran and Hadith, and as displayed in the 150 years of Islamic imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad all the way up into France and Austria?

Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in..... the Qur'an.....

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle..... then they save their lives and property from me.....

Surah 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land.....

Ishaq:204/ Tabari VI:134 "'Men of the Khazraj, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man.' 'Yes,' they answered. 'In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind.'"

The historical record of Imperialistic conquest cannot be denied throughout Islam's 1400 year history. Particularly the imperialistic conquest of the first 150 years of Islamic Jihad and today during this Second Islamic Jihad. Islam's books are why Muhammad's true followers are not becoming "radicalized" as some suggest, but rather becoming more like Muhammad and his fundamental, orthodox, followers as detailed in Islam's books.

https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y

How do you eplain the fact that Dr. Abdul Fatah Idris, the head of Al-Azhar University, the largest, most prestigious and most highly regarded Islamic school in the world, states specifically that "fighting the infidels and breaking their spine through all possible means - are permissible according to Sharia."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HXj0hVUKyo

So were you honestly just not aware of all this, or are you engaging in taqiyyah?

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Excellent reply to "social justice" and our ever shrinking rights to free speech and assembly.

https://www.quora.com/Why-have-so-many-people-turned-against-social-justice/answer/Randy-Kemp-Abdullah-Ibrahim

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https://clarionproject.org/govt-grants-islamist-organizations/

The U.S. government under the Trump administration has handed out tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to Islamist organizations, according to research by Sam Westrop at Middle East Forum (MEF).

As MEF noted, “between 2017 and 2018, the amount of taxpayers’ money given to organizations either influenced or controlled by Islamist activists more than tripled from $4 million to $13.5 million. Under the Obama administration, the amount given to Islamist-linked organizations averaged a mere $1.7 million each year.”

Most recently, in October 2019, the government awarded the Muslim Brotherhood-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) with $100,000 in federal grant government money.

CAIR was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest-ever terror funding case in American history. The government officially ended all partnerships with the organization in 2009 because of CAIR’s connection to funding the Hamas terror group.

Yet, CAIR was recently the recipient of the $100,000 Department of Homeland Security grant as part of its DHS’s Nonprofit Security Grant Program.

In addition to monies given to CAIR, MEF found that the government  gave:

    $57,000 to the Muslim American Society (MAS). In 2008, federal prosecutors said that “MAS was founded as the overt arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in America. Last year, children from an MAS school recited poetry about the killing of Jews
    $100,000 to Dar al-Hijrah, an extremist mosque in Virginia. A 2002 Customs and Border Protection document stated that DAH is “operating as a front for Hamas operatives in U.S.” A December 2007 document said DAH “has been linked to numerous individuals linked to terrorism financing.”  Al Qaeda leader Anwar Al-Awlaki was DAH’s imam from 2001 to 2002. Al-Awlaki’s sermons were attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers and Nidal Hassan, who later shot 13 soldiers to death in a jihadi attack at Fort Hood in 2009.
    $41 million in federal grants to Islamist radicals since 2007 (not including grants given in the  last few months).

Just last week, Clarion Project reported that a new bi-partisan bill designed to protect houses of worship may inadvertently empower Islamist vigilante groups like New York’s Muslim Patrol.

https://clarionproject.org/govt-grants-islamist-organizations/

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https://freebeacon.com/issues/more-than-120-members-of-congress-issue-letters-of-support-to-leading-anti-israel-group/

"More Than 120 Members of Congress Issue Letters of Support to Leading Anti-Israel Group
Congressional support for CAIR likely to generate concern in pro-Israel community

More than 120 members of Congress privately issued letters of support to a controversial Islamic-American advocacy group known for its involvement in one of America's most prominent terrorism financing cases, according to a copy of these official communications obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group with deep ties to the anti-Israel movement in America, touted its support among congressional leaders during its 2019 gala conference in November in Washington, D.C. Prominent opponents of the pro-Israel community, including anti-Israel activist Linda Sarsour and Rep. Ilhan Omar (D., Minn.), headlined the conference.

A copy of CAIR's conference agenda, obtained by the Free Beacon and published here for the first time, includes well over 100 letters from Democratic and Republican members of Congress, all of whom expressed their support for the controversial organization. Democrats issued the majority of the letters, with only two coming from Republican members of Congress."

much more including complete list at link

https://freebeacon.com/issues/more-than-120-members-of-congress-issue-letters-of-support-to-leading-anti-israel-group/

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Zionism, Christian Zionism & anti-Zionism / What is good about Zionism?
« on: January 05, 2020, 07:11:09 AM »
https://www.quora.com/What-is-good-about-Zionism

Alexandra Markus, Israeli, living and working in Jerusalem
Updated Apr 14, 2017

    Jews are the most oppressed people in history. We are fifteen million of us in a world that has many bones to pick with us for theological reasons or otherwise. We need a sanctuary where we are the majority and allowed to live our lives as we choose. We need a way to escape persecution - it's a social justice imperative.

    The diaspora has always been fickle. Jews are massacred by virtually every host country every hundred years or so. The holocaust. The pogroms. The farhud (which happened before Israel's founding), and of course the 850,000 middle eastern Jews who were expelled forcibly with all their wealth confiscated. And of course all over the world throughout the centuries where hundreds or thousands of us are burned at the stake as the scapegoats for the latest national problem because cultures can't take responsibility themselves.

    Arabs have 23 states. Muslims have 57. Christians have over 100. Jews have one: Israel. Let us have our tiny dot the size of New Jersey.

    Opposing Zionism is hypocritical and antisemitic. Those who think only the Jews have no right to a state but everyone else does are antisemites, they might not realize it but they are. Even the Jews who are antizionist are so because they have an inferiority complex and are subconsciously worried about what would happen if Jews take up more space than many would like. Post-holocaust PTSD. They think we should lay low and continue to be subjugated minorities as long as we are alive, and they think Israel's existence pokes the bear.

    People who claim to oppose all nationalism strike me as suspicious when I don't see them also opposing France and Italy’s existence but opposing Israel's. Yes, Jews are to Israel - and Judea - as Italians are to Italy. We are an ethnoreligious group, not just a religion. You can be a Jew and not believe in the religion at all if you are Jewish by blood. The religion is basically just a portable form of our culture that originated in Israel, and learning the religion means learning our history, folklore, and cultural norms.

    Israel was where the genesis of our culture and religion took place. Anyone who knows anything about orthodox aka traditional Judaism knows it's basically a love affair between a people and a land. Jewish rituals are based on living in Israel, and there has been a yearning to return for all those in exile. Next year in Jerusalem has been said for centuries if not millennia by all Jews in exile.

    Zionism is the first indigenous movement that resulted in the return to our native land. It's a huge empowerment for a constantly persecuted minority. We are indigenous to the land. There have only ever been Jewish states on this land - when there wasn't a Jewish state it was always a colony of some far off mother country (Babylon, Rome, Greece, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Great Britain) who don't have the connection we have. The only time Israel was a mother country and not a colony was when it was ruled by the Jews. It is our only mother country, the only land that's ever been ours. And our ties to the land are ingrained in every aspect of our religion and tradition. Our language that we've kept for all these centuries is even a Semitic language that fits in well with the region, and proves at the very least linguistic indigenousness. Meanwhile, archaeological evidence abounds of our ties to the land that run deeper and more consistently than many people think.

    Zionism allows us to practice Judaism fully, Jerusalem for Jews is like Mecca is for Muslims. All our holy sites are here in Israel. Many mitzvot - commandments - can only be done in Israel. The religion is deeply tied to the land. Zionism allows Jews to practice Judaism fully and live Jewish lives, never being disadvantaged for being observant as we are everywhere else.

    Jews are very happy to be here. Let us have our happy place where we can be ourselves without fear. Please. It's a tiny piece of land but it means the world to us.

    As a Jew who made Aliyah - or chose to move here (Aliyah means elevation, or moving up) - there is no better feeling than being among my own, in a culture that feels like a giant family and looks after one another. I also feel like my soul has found its source, a feeling that is so special and incredible for me that I won't get anywhere else because of the special connection we have to this land. It's hard to explain but it's so saturated with meaning for me.

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https://clarionproject.org/cair-leads-fight-to-promote-anti-semitism/

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is leading the fight for the “right” for universities who receive government funds to promote anti-Semitism.

CAIR’s fight is against the announcement by President Trump last week to expand Title VI of the Civil Rights Act to include protection against discrimination based on religion.

Title VI currently prohibits institutions from receiving federal funds if they discriminate on the basis of race, color or national origin.

The expansion of Title VI comes at a time when Jewish students on U.S. college campuses are facing widespread anti-Semitism — and violence, at times — due to extreme actions being taken by supporters of the BDS (Boycott, Divest and Sanction) movement against the state of Israel.

According to the definition of anti-Semitism adopted by the U.S. State Department and 31 other countries, the BDS movement is anti-Semitic because it holds Israel to a different standard than that required of other countries.

CAIR promotes anti-Semitism by being huge supporters of the BDS movement. Linda Sarsour, Congresswomen Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are also outspoken proponents of the BDS movement .

In announcing their opposition to the executive order, CAIR disingenuously framed the issue as a violation of the First Amendment right to free speech. They called the executive order an attempt “to suppress academic freedom.”

Ironically, CAIR just recently called on Amazon, Audible and Kindle, Amazon, Google Play Books, AudioBooks, and Barnes and Noble “to remove all white supremacist and pro-confederate digital audio books and related social media ads.”

CAIR obviously has no problem stifling “First Amendments rights” in these above cases since they fit the organization’s Islamist agenda.

In April, CAIR voiced its opposition to the proposed “Anti-Semitism Awareness Act of 2019” in Congress.

The act directs the Department of Education to adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-Semitism, which has been officially adopted by the U.S. State Department and 31 other nations, including the UK, Germany and other European nations.

The definition addresses traditional and current forms of anti-Semitism, specifically labeling as anti-Semitism anything that “[applies] double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded of by any other democratic nation [in the world].”

Accordingly, the Boycott, Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement is by definition anti-Semitic, since there are at least 100 land disputes across the globe that are not subject to “BDS” movements.

CAIR’s leaders are heavily invested in supporting the BDS movement, particularly across college campuses in the U.S. The BDS movement aims to strangle the Jewish state economically while at the same time calls for the flooding of Palestinians into Israel to destroy the Jewish character of the state.

While the BDS movement purports to be about Palestinian rights, voices in support of BDS have been deafeningly silent about the horrific abuse of Palestinians who moved decades ago to Jordan, Syria and Lebanon during the Arab states’ war with Israel in 1948.

On a state level, CAIR has been busy bringing law suits against individual states who have passed anti-BDS legislation.

Trump’s announcement of the executive order came on the same day as a deadly anti-Semitic attack that left four victims dead in New Jersey.

Since then, a synagogue in Los Angeles was vanadalized over the weekend by what police believe was a “lone male suspect.”  Although the police are investigating the incident as a hate crime, they said they found “no overt sign of anti-Semitism.”

(It is likely that the LAPD would also find no “no overt sign of anti-Semitism” in CAIR’s opposition to an executive order which forbids discrimination of Jews.)

Meanwhile, it is also likely that Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) will join with CAIR in advocating for the right to receive government funding while promoting anti-Semitism.

AOC recently shared a video promoting British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of last week’s UK elections. Corbyn and his party have been engaged in virulent and shameless anti-Semitism for years.  They were soundly defeated in the election by a landslide, with many districts voting against Labour for the first time since 1935.

In fact, the election was, to a large part, a referendum against Corbyn’s overt promotion of anti-Semitism.

“This video is about the UK, but it might as well have been produced about the United States,” says AOC who urged British voters to vote for the Labour party.

https://clarionproject.org/cair-leads-fight-to-promote-anti-semitism/

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Q What is the abomination of desolation?
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A Paul tells us what it is going to be in this passage:

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

When the AntiChrist goes into the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and declares himself to be god and demands that everyone worship him. This also is the event that undeniably reveals who the AntiChrist is unequivocally. Any speculation prior to this about his identity is just that, speculation.

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Roman Catholic Church / Thomas Aquinas: Treatment of Heretics
« on: December 22, 2019, 06:48:34 AM »
http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/Aquinas-Heretics.html

It would seem the following reflects an institution in sheer terror of truth.

A. REGULATIONS OF THE SYNOD OF TOULOUSE CONCERNING THE INQUISITION, 1229

1. BISHOPS must bind under oath when necessary in each parish, within and outside a city, a priest and two or more lay people of good reputation to diligently, faithfully, and often search out heretics in their parishes, individual suspicious houses, subterranean rooms and additions to houses, and other hiding places. If they discover a heretic, follower, patron, or protector of heretics, they must, taking precaution that they do not escape, quickly notify the bishop and mayor of the place or his bailiff so they will be duly punished (command of the episcopal inquisition according to the practice of the synods of Verona, Bourges, Narbonne, and the twelfth general synod).

2. Exempt abbots, who are not subject to episcopal jurisdiction, must act in the same way as the bishops.

3. The governors of the respective districts should order diligent search of country residences, houses, and forests for heretics and destroy their hiding places.

4. Whoever, allowing a heretic to stay on his property either for money or any other cause, if he confesses or is convicted, loses his property forever and his body is handed over to the civil authority for punishment.

5. He also is subject to legal punishment whose property, although without his knowledge but by negligence, has become an abode of heretics.

1. The house where a heretic is found must be torn down and the property must be confiscated.

2. The bailiff who lives in a suspicious place and is not diligent in searching for heretics loses his office and is not permitted to be employed either there or in any other place.

3. In order to prevent an innocent person from being punished or slanderously accused of heresy we command that no one shall be punished as a heretic or follower of heresy before he is so declared by a bishop or other clerical persons.

4. All are permitted to search for heretics in others' territories, and the bailiffs must help them. The king can, accordingly, search for heretics in the territory of the count of Toulouse, and the count of Toulouse in the king's land.

5. If one who is tainted with heresy voluntarily gives up the heresy he is not allowed to remain in the house where he formerly lived in case the house was under suspicion of heresy. He must be moved into a Catholic house which is free from suspicion. Besides, he must wear two crosses on his coat; the one on the right and the other on the left, and of a different color from his coat. Such persons cannot hold public office or be admitted to legal actions unless they are fully re-instated after due penance by the pope or his legate.

11. Whoever has involuntarily returned to the Church, through fear of death or for any other reason, must be imprisoned by the bishop so he can perform his penance or not be able to seduce others. Whoever retains his property must, by order of the prelate, provide for his own necessities. If he possesses nothing, then the prelate must provide for him.

12. All members of a parish shall vow to the bishop under oath that they will preserve the Catholic faith and will persecute heretics according to their power. This oath must be renewed every two years.

13. Males and females who have attained the use of reason must confess their sins to a priest three times a year, or with their priest's permission to another priest. They must perform the imposed penances humbly and according to their strength and receive the holy sacrament of the Eucharist three times a year. Whoever does not do this is under suspicion of being a heretic.

14. Lay people are not permitted to possess the books of the Old and New Testament, only the Psalter, Breviary, or the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin, and these books not in the vernacular language.

15. Whoever is accused of heresy or is only suspected of heresy is not permitted to practice his profession as a doctor. When a sick person has received Holy Communion from his priest he must be careful that no heretic or one suspected of heresy visit him, for terrible things have already happened through such visits. . . .

17. No prelate, baron or other superiors shall entrust the office of bailiff or steward to any heretic or follower of heresy, nor keep in his service one who has been condemned or suspected of heresy.

18. He is accused of heresy or is suspected of heresy who has been legally proved by good and honorable people before a bishop of having a bad reputation. .. .

42. Women who own castles or fortresses are not permitted to marry enemies of the faith and the peace. ...

44. Whoever is too poor to employ a lawyer has to be provided with one if necessary by the curia.

45. Pastors must explain these regulations to their parishioners four times a year.

   

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This is from a Yahoo answers site.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080815183837AA0xe1l

"In May, 1997, the Arab Israeli newspaper,  Fasl al-Maqal published a list of 54 prominent Arab families that willingly sold land to Jews between 1918 and 1945. This was only a partial list of names found in an official British Mandate era document known to the Jordanians. Among these real estate sellers were the mayors and heads of Jerusalem, Gaza, and Jaffa. The infamous al-Husseini clan and As'ad el-Shuqeiri (father of PLO leader Ahmed Shuqeiri) took Jewish money for land. Many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.

http://israelbehindthenews.com/Jun-02-97.htm#Land

Your exact statistic, which (to my knowledge) is not claimed by authoritative Israeli sources, may be based on the British Peel Commission Report. (What is known is that there were more Arabs interested in selling for profit than there were Zionist funds available.)

 "At the end of World War I, some of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80% of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73% of Jewish plots were purchases from large landowners, not poor fellahin."

- The Peel Commission (1937)

Later, by 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres.

Most of this property  -- 387,500 acres -- was purchased from Arabs. (The rest was comprised of approximately 45,000 acres acquired from the Mandatory Government and  30,000 acres were purchased from churches.)

"The Arab charge that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when purchased...there was at the time at least of earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land.

"Jews paid more than $20 million (at 1936 rates) to Arab landowners, mostly estate holders...In 1944, Jews payed between $1000 and $1100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Dept. of Agriculture)"

- The Peel Commission's report in Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948

The Peel Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine contributed to   an improved standard of living, notably higher wages, and ample employment opportunities.

British government statistics prior to the establishment of the State of Israel concluded that 8.6% of the land area now known as Israel was owned by Jews; 3.3% by Arabs who remained there; 16.5% by Arabs who left the country. More than 70% of the land was owned by the British Government. Under international law, ownership passed to Israel in 1948. The public lands included most of the Negev Desert - half of Palestine's post-1922 total area.

Source: Survey of Palestine, 1946, British Mandate Government

It is a known fact that Jews avoided purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought out land that had NO tenants although such land was largely uncultivated or  swampy. In 1920, David Ben-Gurion declared that "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."

It was only after the Jews had bought all of this available land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.

"They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."

- John Hope Simpson, May 1930

"Peasants who did obtain title deeds or proof of registration under British rule through the 1921 Beisan Agreement . . .  in northern Palestine, readily sold their newly allotted parcels to Jewish purchasers. Many other landowners who had acquired title deeds legally during the Ottoman period sold these lands to Jewish immigrants during the Mandate."

--- "Palestine's Rural Economy, 1917 - 1939"  by Kenneth W. Stein  http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/rural_palestine...

During the same period, the British illegally created "Transjordan" (in 1922). In 1946, this was declared an additional new Arab state -- despite the fact that it had been carved out of 4/5 of the land mass that had been internationally designated to form the State of Israel.

"It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."

  -- from the memoirs of Transjordan's King Abdullah"

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How can Muslims be so terrified of truth and not understand it is because they are in Satan's grip? So they really want to pass from this world while still in his grip?

"The Saudi Arabian government has reportedly passed a law that imposes the death penalty on people caught smuggling Bibles into the majority-Muslim country.

According to the HeartCry Missionary Society, the Saudi government issued an official statement signifying that capital punishment may now be used on those who smuggle Bibles into the desert nation, where the royal family upholds a strict Wahhabi brand of Sunni Islam.

The society's report added that the death penalty, which usually comes in the form of beheadings, can also be used against people who simply distribute the Bible and all other "publications that have prejudice to any other religious belief other than Islam." This means that anyone handing out any kind of religious literature that is not of Islamic faith can legally be executed."

More https://www.christianpost.com/news/saudi-arabias-new-law-imposes-death-sentence-for-bible-smugglers.html

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General Discussion / MOVED: Quora forum subjects
« on: December 08, 2019, 07:10:00 AM »

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Maybe you recognize the guy that is second from the right in the green shirt. (Unless this is a hoax. I didn't verify the veracity of the claim.)



That's Osama bin Laden
Even in pretty recent history things weren't as ugly with Islam as they are today.

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General Discussion / Answers.com
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:39:45 PM »

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General Discussion / Quora forum subjects
« on: November 29, 2019, 12:37:33 PM »
I've noticed this resource a couple of times in random internet searches, and it looks like fertile ground to communicate with Muhammad's followers, without too much censorship by admin.
https://www.quora.com


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Dear Shau Sumar, your maps regarding the location of the Wilderness of Paran as Mecca are ridiculous. The following shows both the traditional and alternate considerations for the location of the Wilderness of Paran. Still over 1,000 KM from where Mecca was eventually established in about the 4th century AD.



Let alone that there is not a shred of evidence that supports the unhistorical, counter-scriptural, archaeologically devoid and geographically impossible accounts of Abraham in Islamic so-called “tradition”, that was all created and put to the pen during the 8th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD. Overland travel wasn’t even possible to southern Arabia until the 6th century BC, well over 1,000 years after Abraham roamed the earth.
GEOGRAPHY OF MECCA - ISLAM (http://www.historyofmecca.com/geography_mecca_islam.htm)

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https://www.quora.com/Was-there-any-evidence-that-Abraham-was-in-Mecca-and-constructed-the-Kaaba-apart-from-the-Koran

“There is only one 'GPS' area in the Bible which states where Ishmael and Hagar settled. The location of the Zam Zam well which is in Mecca.”

But that is a geographical impossibility since there was no overland route to southern Arabia until about the 6th century BC (well over 1,000 years after Ishmael), let alone that there is not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before Yemeni migrants initially settled the area in about the 4th century AD and built their kaaba in the early 5th century AD for pagan Arabian moon, star and jinn-devil worship.

“The fact that no Jew, Christian, Pagan or anyone else ever contested that Abraham had built the Kaba during the time of the Prophet, and the fact that it was accepted as an agreed fact amongst everyone at the time, is the strongest proof amongst those who believe in Abraham that Abraham built the Kaba.”

That’s ridiculous. It is an impossibility. No Jew or Christian could ever do anything BUT CONTEST that Abraham built the Kaaba, unless they suffered from abject ignorance to scripture, history, archaeology and particularly geography.

GEOGRAPHY OF MECCA - ISLAM

To suggest Abraham built it would be to suggest that he abandoned his wife Sarah and son Isaac (in whom God made His covenant) in Hebron, to then take off with Sarah’s bondwoman Hagar and her son Ishmael (who Abraham actually threw out of his house at Sarah’s request), to wander across 866 miles of harsh, barren, waterless, foodless Arabian desert, over 1000 years before overland travel was possible to southern Arabia, only to dump off Hagar and Ishmael off in a deserted area and then turn around and wander back the 866 miles back up to his home and wife and son in Hebron. 866 miles before Hagar filled her water skin.

GEOGRAPHY OF MECCA - ISLAM

The reason the Islamic accounts can only be labeled as “tradition” is because Islam’s pre-4th century “history” of Mecca was all created and put to the pen in the 8th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD (to be generous). It is an unhistorical, counter-scriptural, archaeologically devoid, geographically impossible, work of pure fiction.

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General Discussion / Is Becca in the Bible the Mecca?
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:13:16 AM »
https://www.quora.com/Is-Becca-in-the-Bible-the-Mecca

Dear Zahir Omar, Abraham never traveled within 1,000 KM of where Mecca was eventually established in around the 4th century AD. He lived well over a thousand years before overland travel was possible between northern and southern Arabia. There is not a shred of scriptural, historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever even existed before migrants from Yemen initially settled the area in around the 4th century AD, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century for pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.

The scriptures tell us that Hagar wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba, which is about 20 miles from Abraham’s home in Hebron where Jews, Christians and Muslims visit Abraham’s tomb to this day. That is where hagar found the well to fill her waterskin (likely the “well of seven” that Abraham dug). To suggest that it was the well of Zamzam in Mecca, would be to suggest the absurd notion that Hagar wandered 866 miles (by driving roads today), across harsh, barren, waterless, foodless desert, about 1300 years before overland travel to southern Arabia was possible (~6th century BC).

Additionally you are parroting a falsehood about Psalms 84. The passage is very specific about where the pilgrimage is to.

Psa 84:7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.

In ZION. That is the name of the easternmost hill in Jerusalem. The pilgrimage referenced is about Yahweh’s people on pilgrimage to the temple Yahweh had them build on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem. In THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs. For more try visiting http://www.historyofmecca.com

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https://www.quora.com/Was-there-any-evidence-that-Abraham-was-in-Mecca-and-constructed-the-Kaaba-apart-from-the-Koran

Hi Charles, the scriptures don’t seem to be “cryptic” but very specific about where the pilgrimage mentioned in Psalms 84 is to.

Psa 84:6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. 7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.

In ZION. The name of the easternmost hill in Jerusalem upon which the city of David was built. Another name for Jerusalem that occurs 152 times in the KJV. This was obviously a pilgrimage of Yahweh’s people to the temple He had them build on Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem. In THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.

To suggest it is to where Mecca was eventually established, would be to suggest that instead of God’s people worshiping Him in the land and at the temple He had them build, they instead turned their backs on that temple and wandered over 900 miles across harsh, barren, waterless, foodless Arabian desert, over 1,000 years before overland travel to southern Arabia was possible (in about the 6th century BC). This only to march around a kaaba (that did not exist until about the 5th century AD, located in a town (Mecca) that did not exist until about the 4th century AD when Yemeni migrants first established the town) and then they are supposed to have wandered the 900 miles back home?!

Try http://www.historyofmecca.com

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"Archaeologists say they found town where future King David took refuge from Saul
For decades scholars sought the elusive site of Ziklag, where the Bible says David was given shelter by Philistine King Achish"
By Amanda Borschel-Dan   8 July 2019, 10:16 am

In a finding sure to inflame the debate about the historicity of the biblical King David, an international team of archaeologists claims to have identified the lost city of Ziklag.

Based on artifacts and carbon 14 dating results of excavations since 2015, scholars proposed Monday that the archaeological site of Khirbet a-Ra‘i in the Judaean foothills is the site of the elusive Philistine town.

As attested in the books of Samuel, Ziklag, located between Kiryat Gat and Lachish, provided refuge to the future king David when he was on the run from King Saul. After his sojourn in Ziklag, David ascended the throne in Hebron.

According to a joint press release from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and the Israel Antiquities Authority, archaeologists discovered remains of a Philistine settlement from the 12-11th centuries BCE, which was followed by a rural settlement dating to the early 10th century BCE, which is in keeping with the biblical account. Carbon 14 dating supports the archaeologists’ timeline and identification, according to the press release.

As recorded in the Hebrew Bible, David settled at Ziklag for 14 months under the patronage of the Philistine King Achish of Gat, with 600 of his men and their families, and used it as a base to raid neighboring peoples.

While the then-Philistine vassal David attempted to join the army of his Philistine lord Achish to defeat Saul, retaliating Amalekites razed the town and took off with the Israelites’ women and children, along with much booty. (Spoiler: In the end, David prevailed.)

According to the press release, in addition to the cultural transition between Philistine buildings and the presumed later Israelite camp, the Davidic-era settlement shows remains of an intense fire that destroyed it.

Later in the Hebrew Bible, in the Book of Nehemiah, the town is mentioned again as a base for Jews who returned from Babylon.

Much more at the link

https://www.timesofisrael.com/archaeologists-say-they-found-town-where-future-king-david-took-refuge-from-saul/

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