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In fact Mecca was eventually established (in about the 4th century AD) about 100 miles away from that trade route.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia

Caption - "Nabataean trade routes in Pre-Islamic Arabia"



Caption on pic below - "Dilmun and its neighbors in the 10th century BCE"

There was no connection between northern and southern Arabia (except by boat) until about the 6th century BC, rendering Islam's fables about Abraham a geographical impossibility, not just from the standpoint that Abraham's travels never took him within about 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was initially established during the 4th century AD - over 2,000 years after Abraham. Wake up people!

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In fact Mecca was eventually established (in about the 4th century AD) about 100 miles away from that trade route.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia

Caption - "Nabataean trade routes in Pre-Islamic Arabia"



Caption on pic below - "Dilmun and its neighbors in the 10th century BCE"

There was no connection between northern and southern Arabia (except by boat) until about the 6th century BC, rendering Islam's fables about Abraham a geographical impossibility, not just from the standpoint that Abraham's travels never took him within about 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was initially established during the 4th century AD - over 2,000 years after Abraham. Wake up people!

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In fact Mecca was eventually established (in about the 4th century AD) about 100 miles away from that trade route.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia

Caption - "Nabataean trade routes in Pre-Islamic Arabia"



Caption on pic below - "Dilmun and its neighbors in the 10th century BCE"

There was no connection between northern and southern Arabia (except by boat) until about the 6th century BC, rendering Islam's fables about Abraham a geographical impossibility, not just from the standpoint that Abraham's travels never took him within about 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was initially established during the 4th century AD - over 2,000 years after Abraham. Wake up people!

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General Discussion / Re: Mecca and Arabian Trade Routes
« Last post by PeteWaldo on October 27, 2019, 09:05:17 AM »
In fact Mecca was eventually established (in about the 4th century AD) about 100 miles away from that trade route. The incense road is shown in red on this map in a Smithsonian article.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/roads-of-arabia-presents-hundreds-of-recent-finds-that-recast-the-regions-history-127324646/



Caption on pic below - "Dilmun and its neighbors in the 10th century BCE"
There was no connection between northern and southern Arabia (except by boat) until about the 6th century BC, rendering Islam's fables about Abraham a geographical impossibility, not just from the standpoint that Abraham's travels never took him within about 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was initially established during the 4th century AD - over 2,000 years after Abraham. Wake up people!

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Additionally, Britannica is flat out wrong about Mecca being on the trade route.

"Ancient Mecca was an oasis on the old caravan trade route that linked the Mediterranean world with South Arabia, East Africa, and South Asia."

In fact Mecca was eventually established (in about the 4th century AD) about 100 miles away from that trade route.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Islamic_Arabia

Caption - "Nabataean trade routes in Pre-Islamic Arabia"



Caption on pic below - "Dilmun and its neighbors in the 10th century BCE"

There was no connection between northern and southern Arabia (except by boat) until about the 6th century BC, rendering Islam's fables about Abraham a geographical impossibility, not just from the standpoint that Abraham's travels never took him within about 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was initially established during the 4th century AD - over 2,000 years after Abraham. Wake up people!

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General Discussion / Comical video on the history of mecca
« Last post by PeteWaldo on October 27, 2019, 08:03:14 AM »
I was quite amused by the video at this link

https://youtu.be/ccwKWxgxV0Y

I wonder why he left out that Adam was reported to be 90 feet tall?
So where did they come up with all that?
Thin air
Same as all pre-5th century "history" of Mecca that was all created fiction that was put to the pen in the 8th to 10th centuries without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD.
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This isn't about politics as much as mutual hatred of Jews. This is about the spirit.

"Duke tweeted his praise of Omar on Thursday, calling her the “most important member of the US Congress” now that she has stood up to Democrat Party leadership after making antisemitic statements against Israel:

    Dr Duke & Eric Striker: By Defiance to Z.O.G. Ilhan Omar is NOW the most important Member of the US Congress! https://t.co/R4d4X81xdv pic.twitter.com/C083V57VQp
    — David Duke (@DrDavidDuke) March 7, 2019

    Simply stated, she is important because the dared expose the gorilla in Congress that nobody dares speak! There is no salvation of our people heritage, rights and freedom until Z.O.G is overthrown! Listen to this broadcast! https://t.co/164Q2cJ6Xv
    — David Duke (@DrDavidDuke) March 7, 2019"

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/07/david-duke-calls-ilhan-omar-most-important-member-of-the-us-congress/
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I suspect that Muslims do not visit this forum anymore because they can see that Islam has absolutely no support in terms of scripture, history, archaeology or geography.
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In 1899 Sir Winston Churchill explained with the following, yet 120 years the world has digressed to sheer stupidity.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” - by Sir Winston Churchill - The River War, Vol. II, pp. 248-50, London; Longman, Green & Co., 1899
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#winston_churchill
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read on website for more links
https://clarionproject.org/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-case-promoting-islam-in-public-school/

Supreme Court Declines to Hear Case Promoting Islam in Public School

The U.S. Supreme Court declined to review the case of a Christian high school student in Maryland who, despite threats of receiving a failing grade, refused to deny her faith by making a written profession of the Muslim conversion prayer known as the shahada.

The shahada states, “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.”

Caleigh Wood, an eleventh-grader in La Plata High School, a public school in La Plata, Maryland, was represented in the case by the Thomas More Law Center, nonprofit public interest law firm know for defending First Amendment rights – particularly those that violate the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

As part of the school’s “World History” curriculum, the La Plata High School high school students were taught extensively about Islam and required to list the benefits of the religion.

Wood and other students were forced to view a series of pro-Islamic PowerPoint slides, including one that stated, “Most Muslims’ faith is stronger than the average Christian.”

The curriculum also taught:

    “Islam at heart is a peaceful religion.”
    Jihad is a “personal struggle in devotion to Islam, especially involving spiritual discipline.”
    “To Muslims, Allah is the same God that is worshiped in Christianity and Judaism.”
    “Men are the managers of the affairs of women.”
    “Righteous women are therefore obedient.”

The case was previously heard by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled that the course did not violate the Establishment Clause.

The ruling came despite the fact that the high school’s content specialist, Jack Tuttle, testified that use of such comparative statement was inappropriate, and that he would have advised the teacher not to use it.

Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the law center, commented on the fact that the Supreme Court refused to hear the case:

    “I’m not aware of any public school which has forced a Muslim student to write the Lord’s Prayer or John 3:16 [which states]: ‘For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.’”

    “Yet, under the pretext of teaching history or social studies, public schools across America are promoting the religion of Islam in ways that would never be tolerated for Christianity or any other religion.

    “It’s disappointing that the Supreme Court did not take this opportunity to clarify the test which lower courts should use when ruling on establishment clause and free speech challenges to public school classes on religion.”

The legal question in front of the Supreme Court at stake was whether La Plata High School violated the First Amendment’s Establishment and free speech clauses when it gave Wood an assignment she was unable to complete without violating her religious conscience as a Christian.

Wood believes it is a sin to profess the existence of any other god but the Christian one. School officials refused her father’s request that she be allowed to opt-out or be given an alternative assignment.

When Wood refused to complete the assignment to write the shahada, she received a failing grade.

“Many public schools have become hot beds of Islamic propaganda. Teaching Islam in schools has gone far beyond a basic history lesson,” Thompson commented.

“Prompted by zealous Islamic activism and emboldened by confusing court decisions, schools are now bending over backwards to promote Islam while at the same time denigrating Christianity.

“Although the Supreme Court passed up an opportunity to provide clearer constitutional guidance on this important issue, there will be other chances as this issue isn’t going away anytime soon,” he added.

https://clarionproject.org/supreme-court-declines-to-hear-case-promoting-islam-in-public-school/
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