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WHERE DO THE QIBLA OF THE OLDEST MOSQUES POINT TO?
« on: April 24, 2010, 01:21:49 PM »
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THE OLDEST MOSQUES POINT TO....

From ancient times until well into the 7th century worship of the moon, sun, stars, planets, and even Jinn devils or demons, was the order of the day in Arabia. Many Kaabas were established featuring stone idols that represented these objects of worship, to which the pagans went on pilgrimage, and circumambulated in ceremony. Mohammed's own tribe the Quraish went on summer and winter pilgrimages to other sites, long after the Kaaba in Mecca was built, indicating that there were far more important and more firmly established kaabas at which to worship, than the kaaba in Mecca. Might we be able to learn more about the objectives of those early pilgrimages by studying the Qibla of the oldest mosques?

Qibla is an Arabic word that describes the direction in which Muslims are to direct their prayers. Mosques have a niche on the inside wall that indicates the direction to the Kaaba, and it's black stone, in Mecca. It's interesting to discover that the Qibla of the oldest mosques do not point to Mecca but are off by thirty degrees and more. The Islamic website "Islamic Awareness", includes compass roses that indicate the direction in which the Qiblas of some of the oldest mosques point.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/qibla.html

When the angles presented for mosques in Wasit, Baghdad and Cairo are plotted on a map, they actually triangulate to a location near Al-`Ula (which was Dedan - inhabited perhaps as early as the 8th century BC).
 


The Qiblas indicate a position almost 500 miles to the north-northwest of Mecca. Google satellite map locating Al-Ula.*
http://www.maplandia.com/saudi-arabia/madinah/al-ula/

In searching the vicinity of Al-Ula I ran across this Wikipedia article on "Ancient Towns in Saudi Arabia", which of course doesn't mention Mecca, because there is no evidence that suggests that Mecca is an ancient town.

The article does mention:

"Mada'in Saleh: also called Al-Hijr

Also called Al-Hijr, this is an ancient city located in northern Saudi Arabia....
Mada'in Saleh is considered to be one of the most important and oldest ancient cities in the country. Mada'in Saleh lies to the northwest of the city of al-Ula..." (Mada'in Saleh map)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ferrocarril_del_hiyaz_EN.PNG

"Mada'in Saleh was recognized by the UNESCO as a site of patrimony, the first world heritage site in Saudi Arabia. The story of these people called the people of Thamud (including petra) is mentioned several times in the Quran along with prophet Saleh."

The article continues, "A religious area, known as Jabal Ithlib, is located to the north-east of the site.[4] It is believed to have been originally dedicated to the Nabatean deity Dushara." (Wikipedia) (map)



Where else do we find Manat?

Sura 53.19 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, 20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

Mohammed recognized Manat as a daughter of Allah in what some have dubbed the "satanic verses" in the Quran. The deity Manat is also found in pagan Arabian Star Family Worship as a daughter of the moon god. Isn't that interesting?

Please see part 2 of the "Hajj & Umra" series to see how Manat (Mina), fits into Islamic pilgrimage rituals.

It is a simple matter of fact that the Qiblas of the oldest mosques do not point to Mecca, but far more reasonably, pointed to other sites of pagan Arabian idol worship. Indeed it is also a matter of fact, that the Kaaba in Mecca was used for the same, prior to the 7th century A.D. Indeed pagans continued to circumambulate the Kaaba right up until the year before Mohammed's last Hajj.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365:  Narrated Abu Huraira:
    ... in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet .... Allah's Apostle .... made the announcement along with us ... "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba."

If Islam is supposed to have been around since Adam, where are all the mosques that predated Mohammed, including the one that he made reference to visiting in his story about an overnight ride on a flying animal to Jerusalem, heaven, and back to Mecca by morning?

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Re: WHERE DO THE QIBLA OF THE OLDEST MOSQUES POINT TO?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2010, 02:04:03 PM »
ayamen1 Block User
God will punish in this life and in the hereafter for these lies .
allah almighty will ask you in the day of judgement about did you do in your life .
What is your answer ?
You will say I misquided and misquided many of your followers .
You are like the Quran said about the people who disbelieve '' you are dump,blind and deaf never been guided ''
6 days ago

IslamExplored @ayamen1
What lie? I simply plotted the angles of 3 of the oldest mosque Qibla on a map, according to the angles given on the ISLAMIC SITE "Islam Awareness". You can verify this by dropping the menu down below the video and clicking on the link to their site.
No matter how hard you wish it to be, they will never point within 500 miles of Mecca, my friend. So whose the liar??

IslamExplored @ayamen1
Try it yourself. Go to this Forum link

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1230.0
Hold a piece of paper up each compass rose that? I copied into the thread from that Islamic site.
Then scroll the thread down until your paper lines up with the individual city on the map and see what you wind up with. Please let me know if you believe my lines to be in error.
I was as surprised as you seem to be.
5 days ago


ayamen1 Block User
1- there was no many Kaabas
what is your eviedance ?

2-arabs were on the religion of Abrahim , but they inserted the idoel worshipping as Catholic today and christians who worshipped Jesus as son of God and the Angel Gabriel as God .

3-what is your proof or eviedance that Quraish went to prigramege to other place ? no proof
5 days ago

IslamExplored @ayamen1
Question
1 http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1051.msg4953#msg4953
2 there was no such thing as the "Anahf" of "religion of Abraham"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1172.0
3 Quran 106:1-3: For the covenants by the Quraish, their covenant journeys by winter and summer, let them adore the lord of this house.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1140.0


ayamen1 Block User
you said mosque in Bagdad
which mosque ?
in egypt , which old mosque ?
what are the names of these mosques .
what about Sanna in Yamen ?

PeteWaldo Block User @ayamen1
The author offers the name of the mosque near Cairo as " `Amr bin al-`As in Fustat just outside Cairo...". However glancing at the article he simply characterizes the other two as the "oldest" in Baghdad and Wasit. Did you look at the article from "Islam Awareness" at the link provided below the video?
Regarding Sanna in Yemen the author didn't detail it.

If Islam has been around since Adam, where are all the mosques that predate Mohammed, including? the one of his night journey?
5 days ago

IslamExplored
Why didn't you post my video comment on your Paran video, and reciprocate by posting your Paran video on mine?
If you continue to be afraid to do that, what does that tell you about the veracity of your Paran video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxD_UpGHd1Q

IslamExplored
These YouTube comment sections have hopelessly gone to disorganization and only rarely put answers under questions any more. I will be closing these videos to comments as I can't waste my time like this.
Why are you still such a coward ayamen1?
Why don't you log into the forum where you already created an ID?
We can organize our chat perfectly and remain engaged over time.
Simply hit the first link under the video!
What are you afraid of ayamen1?
We both know, don't we.
TRUTH
5 days ago