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The Satanic Verses
« on: January 03, 2011, 12:23:06 PM »
[edit add 1-23-2010] It's absolutely imperative to start with hadith background on this subject. The excerpt from Prophet of Doom at the following link will serve as such.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2274.msg9689#msg9689 [end edit]

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The Satanic Verses

[edit] Pagan Goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat are Mentioned in the Qur'an

The goddesses of the Satanic verses are mentioned in the following Quranic verses:
Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,

And another, the third (goddess), Manat?

What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?

Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
Qur'an 53:19-22

The pagans prostrated when they heard Muhammad speak the conciliatory verses.
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385
[edit] The Satanic Verses Incident

Under increasing boycotts and pressure from the pagan Meccans, a weakened and precarious Muhammad accommodated the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of the three pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, alongside Allah.

[edit] According to Ibn Ishaq

From Ibn Ishaq's book "The Life of Muhammad". Ibn Ishaq is the earliest known Islamic Historian.
(T. Now the apostle was anxious for the welfare of his people, wishing to attract them as ‎far as he could. It has been mentioned that he longed for a way to attract them, and the method he ‎adopted is what Ibn Hamid told me that Salama said M. b. Ishaq told him from Yazid b. Ziyad of ‎Medina from M. b. Ka'b al-Qurazi: When the apostle saw that his people turned their backs on ‎him and he was pained by their estrangement from what he brought them from God he longed ‎that there should come to him from God a message that would reconcile his people to him. ‎Because of his love for his people and his anxiety over them it would delight him if the obstacle ‎that made his task so difficult could be removed; so that he meditated on the project and longed ‎for it and it was dear to him. Then God sent down 'By the star when it sets your comrade errs not ‎and is not deceived, he speaks not from his own desire,' and when he reached His words 'Have ‎you thought of al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other',‎ Satan, when he was ‎meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it[16]

Ishaq:165
(sc. reconciliation) to his people, put upon his tongue ‎‎'these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved.' When Quraysh heard that, ‎they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they ‎listened to him; while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from their ‎Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip, and when he reached the ‎prostration ‎3 and the end of the Sura in which he prostrated himself the Muslims prostrated ‎themselves when their prophet prostrated confirming what he brought and obeying his command, ‎and the polytheists of Quraysh and others who were in the mosque prostrated when they heard ‎the mention of their gods, so that everyone in the mosque believer and unbeliever prostrated, ‎except al-Walid b. al-Mughira who was an old man who could not do so, so he took a handful of ‎dirt from the valley and bent over it. Then the people dispersed and Quraysh went out, delighted ‎at what had been said about their gods, saying, 'Muhammad has spoken of our gods in splendid ‎fashion. He alleged in what he read that they are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is ‎approved.'‎


The news reached the prophet's companions who were in Abyssinia, it being reported that ‎Quraysh had accepted Islam, so some men started to return while others remained behind. Then ‎Gabriel came to the apostle and said, 'What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these ‎people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you. ‎The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), ‎for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that ‎every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan ‎interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had ‎suggested and God established His verses i.e. you are just like the prophets and apostles. Then ‎God sent down: 'We have not sent a prophet or apostle before you but when he longed Satan cast ‎suggestions into his longing. But God will annul what Satan has suggested. Then God will ‎establish his verses, God being knowing and wise.' ‎Thus God relieved his prophet's grief, and ‎made him feel safe from his fears and annulled what Satan had suggested in the words used ‎above about their gods by his revelation 'Are yours the males and His the females? That were ‎indeed an unfair division' (i.e. most unjust); 'they are nothing but names which your fathers gave ‎them as far as the words 'to whom he pleases and accepts',‎‎ i.e. how can the intercession of their ‎gods avail with Him?‎
When the annulment of what Satan had put upon the prophet's tongue[16]

Ishaq:166
came from God, ‎Quraysh said: 'Muhammad has repented of what he said about the position of your gods with ‎Allah, altered it and brought something else.' Now those two words which Satan had put upon ‎the apostle's tongue were in the mouth of every polytheist and they became more violently ‎hostile to the Muslims and the apostle's followers. Meanwhile those of his companions who had ‎left Abyssinia when they heard that the people of Mecca had accepted Islam when they ‎prostrated themselves with the apostle, heard when they approached Mecca that the report was ‎false and none came into the town without the promise of protection or secretly. Of those who ‎did come into Mecca and stayed there until he migrated to Medina and were present at Badr with ‎him was 'Uthman b. 'Affan . . . with his wife Ruqayya d. of the apostle and Abu Hudhayfa b. ‎‎'Utba with his wife Sahla d. of Suhayl, and a number of others, in all thirty-three men.[16]

Ishaq:167
[edit] According to Al-Tabari

Al-Tabari was an early and prolific Islamic Historian who also recorded the Satanic verses incident.
Satan Casts a False Revelation on


the Messenger of God's Tongue
The Messenger of God was eager for the welfare of his people and[17]

Al-Tabari VI:107
wished to effect a reconciliation with them in whatever ways he could. It is said that he wanted to find a way to do this, and what happened was as follows.


Ibn Humayd—Salamah--Muhammad b. Ishaq—Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani—Muhammad b. Kali al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed:
By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is

    he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire .. .

and when he came to the words:

    Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?

Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words:

    These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they lis?tened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake. When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, following their Prophet, trusting in the message which he had brought and following his example. Those polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the[17]

Al-Tabari VI:108
Mosque likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference [1193] to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself. The one exception was al-Walid b. al-Mughirah, who was a very old man and could not prostrate himself; but he took a handful of soil from the valley in his hand and bowed over that. Then they all dispersed from the mosque. The Quraysh left delighted by the mention of their gods which they had heard, saying, "Muhammad has mentioned our gods in the most favorable way possible, stat?ing in his recitation that they are the high-flying cranes and that their intercession is received with approval."


The news of this prostration reached those of the Messenger of God's Companions who were in Abyssinia and people said, "The Quraysh have accepted Islam." Some rose up to return, while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you." Then the Messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consol?ing him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who de sired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue. Then God cancelled what Satan had thus cast, and estab?lished his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed:

    Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation ( umniyyah ).God abrogates what Satan casts. Then God established his verses. God is knower, wise.[17]

    Al-Tabari VI:109

Thus God removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared and cancelled the words [1194] which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were the high-flying cranes whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of "al-Lat, al-'Uzza and Manat, the third, the other," the words:

    Are yours the males and his the females? That indeed were an unfair division!
    They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers ...


to the words:

    to whom he wills and accepts.

This means, how can the intercession of their gods avail with God?
When Muhammad brought a revelation from God cancelling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, "Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of your gods with God, and has altered it and brought something else." Those two phrases which Satan had cast on the tongue of the Messenger of God were in the mouth of every polytheists, and they became even more ill-disposed and more violent in their persecution of those of them who had accepted Islam and followed the Messenger of God.
Those of the Companions of the Messenger of God who had left Abyssinia upon hearing that Quraysh had accepted Islam by prostrating themselves with the Messenger of God now approached. When they were near Mecca, they heard that the report that the people of Mecca had accepted Islam was false. Not one of them entered Mecca without obtaining protection or entering secretly. Among those who came to Mecca and remained there until they emigrated to al-Madinah and were present with the Prophet at Badr, were, from the Banu 'Abd Shams b. 'Abd Manaf b. Qusayy, 'Uthman b. 'Affan b. Abi al-'As b. Umayyah, accompanied by his wife Ruqayyah the daughter of the Messenger of God; Abu Hudhayfah b. 'Utbah b. Rabi'ah b. 'Abd Shams, accompanied by his [1195] wife Sahlah bt. Suhayl; together with a number of others number‑ [17]

Al-Tabari VI:110
Al-Qasim b. al-Hasan—al-Husayn b. Daud—Hajja—Abu Ma-'shar—Muhammad b. Ka'b al-Qurazi and Muhammad b. Qays: The Messenger of God was sitting in a large gathering of Quraysh, wishing that day that no revelation would come to him from God which would cause them to turn away from him. Then God revealed:

    By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived ...

and the Messenger of God recited it until he came to:

    Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-'Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?

when Satan cast on his tongue two phrases:

    These are the high flying cranes; verily their intercession is to be desired.

He uttered them and went on to complete the surah. When he prostrated himself at the end of the surah, the whole company prostrated themselves with him. Al-Walid b. al-Mughirah raised some dust to his forehead and bowed over that, since he was a very old man and could not prostrate himself. They were satisfied with what Muhammad had uttered and said, "We recognize that it is God who gives life and death, who creates and who provides sustenance, but if these gods of ours intercede for us with him, and if you give them a share, we are with you."

That evening Gabriel came to him and reviewed the surah with him, and when he reached the two phrases which Satan had cast upon his tongue he said, "I did not bring you these two." Then the Messenger of God said, "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." Then God revealed to him:

    And they indeed strove hard to beguile you away from what we have revealed to you, that you should invent other than it against us ...[17]

    Al-Tabari VI:111

to the words:

    and then you would have found no helper against us.

He remained grief-stricken and anxious until the revelation of the verse:

    [1196] Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you ...

to the words

    ... God is knower, wise.

When those who had emigrated to Abyssinia heard that all the people of Mecca had accepted Islam, they returned to their clans, saying, "They are more dear to us"; but they found that the people had reversed their decision when God cancelled what Satan had cast upon the Messenger of God's tongue.[17]

Al-Tabari VI:112
[edit] Muhammad's Excuse for Saying the Satanic Verses

In the following verses Muhammad, in order to save his reputation as a prophet, explains that Allah allows Satan to tempt all prophets with demonic verses so as to test weak believers.
Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:

That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):
Qur'an 22:52-53

See related: Satanic Verses
[edit] The Seven Readings of the Qur'an
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me in one way. Then I requested him (to read it in another way), and continued asking him to recite it in other ways, and he recited it in several ways till he ultimately recited it in seven different ways."

Sahih Bukhari 6:61:513, See Also Sahih Bukhari 4:54:442, Sahih Muslim 4:1785, Sahih Muslim 4:1786, Sahih Muslim 4:1787, Sahih Muslim 4:1788
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said: Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

Sahih Muslim 4:1789
"A great scholar, that is the Mawardi, said that Muhammad had permitted the reading (of the Qur’an) on the basis of any of the Seven Letters as it happened in the episodes of ’Umar. He also allowed replacing a letter with another letter."[18]

"When the lads and their teachers fought against each other during the era of ’Uthman due to the difference in reading (the Qur’anic text), he (’Uthman) standardized the reading and made people recite it accordingly because he was afraid of riots since the Iraqis and the Damascenes disagreed on the dialect. But before that, the Qur’anic copies (used to be read) on the basis of the Seven Letters in which the Qur’an was given."[19]

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 12:34:39 PM »
Under increasing boycotts and pressure from the pagan Meccans, a weakened and precarious Muhammad accommodated the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of the three pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, alongside Allah.

To our Muslim friends that keep trying to deny that "Allah" was the name of the pagan Quraish's moon god, rather than empty denials, would you please inform us as to just which pagan deity "Allah" WAS to the Quraish. The sun? Venus?
Does it really matter WHICH of the Quraish's pagan deities was named "Allah"?
Mohammed's father's name was Abdullah or slave of Allah.
Who can we presume that Mohammed's moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worshiping father was a slave to?

Why do you prostrate yourself 5 times a day, to the Quraish's black stone idol, whichever star or planet it represented?
Why do you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's Kaaba where the pagan Arabians venerated 360 idols - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land?

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2011, 03:12:38 AM »
Under increasing boycotts and pressure from the pagan Meccans, a weakened and precarious Muhammad accommodated the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of the three pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, alongside Allah.

To our Muslim friends that keep trying to deny that "Allah" was the name of the pagan Quraish's moon god, rather than empty denials, would you please inform us as to just which pagan deity "Allah" WAS to the Quraish. The sun? Venus?
Does it really matter WHICH of the Quraish's pagan deities was named "Allah"?
Mohammed's father's name was Abdullah or slave of Allah.
Who can we presume that Mohammed's moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worshiping father was a slave to?

Why do you prostrate yourself 5 times a day, to the Quraish's black stone idol, whichever star or planet it represented?
Why do you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's Kaaba where the pagan Arabians venerated 360 idols - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land?

I am not going to repeat the same thing that we already discussed :

The holy Quran Condemn Satan , so how can satan insulte him self in his books as you infidels claim . Tel me

What about Jesus according to the bible , when satan Tempated him . I am going to star a topic later about .
 


Why do bow to the idols and pictures of fake god that never existed ?
Why do you believe in book that is changed over time ? 
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten

And there is none like unto Him

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2011, 09:42:17 AM »
Under increasing boycotts and pressure from the pagan Meccans, a weakened and precarious Muhammad accommodated the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of the three pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, alongside Allah.

To our Muslim friends that keep trying to deny that "Allah" was the name of the pagan Quraish's moon god, rather than empty denials, would you please inform us as to just which pagan deity "Allah" WAS to the Quraish. The sun? Venus?
Does it really matter WHICH of the Quraish's pagan deities was named "Allah"?
Mohammed's father's name was Abdullah or slave of Allah.
Who can we presume that Mohammed's moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worshiping father was a slave to?

Why do you prostrate yourself 5 times a day, to the Quraish's black stone idol, whichever star or planet it represented?
Why do you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's Kaaba where the pagan Arabians venerated 360 idols - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land?

I am not going to repeat the same thing that we already discussed :

It would only be a repeat if you had offered an explanation - but you certainly haven't yet.

The holy Quran Condemn Satan , so how can satan insulte him self in his books as you infidels claim.

Satan himself declares that he is the greatest of schemers as Mohammed's alter-ego "Allah". Satan even fooled you into believing, that simply because you say you seek shelter from Satan by following Satan's religion, that you will somehow receive shelter from Satan.

Can you see the comedy in what you wrote? Your whole question presupposes that Satan would be truthful while Satan is, of course, known as the father of lies.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He even scares his gullible minions into following him through simple child psychology. Like that you just aptly displayed. That's why about one out of every 9 verses are about punishment and hell. Specifically into scaring you into following the guy who is actually going to take you there.

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2011, 09:43:25 AM »
Tel me

What about Jesus according to the bible , when satan Tempated him . I am going to star a topic later about


First of all, where does it suggest that Jesus was tempted?
It indicates that Satan tried to tempt Jesus by offering him power over all the kingdoms of the world.

Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

You see, all the kingdoms of the world became Satan's legal possession at Adam's fall. That's why Satan's people of the flesh - the Muslims - lust after control and power over all of Satan's kingdoms.

But what was Jesus' reaction to being offered all the kingdoms of the world?

Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Which of course is the same reaction of Christians because we are specifically called out of the kingdoms of this world and into the kingdom of God. It is the children of the flesh that walk after the flesh and believe that repetitive prayers of the heathen that blaspheme YHWH's name will earn them a place in Mohammed's chicken and wine serving bordello he called "paradise".

All the blasphemy you write about scripture is irrelevant because an unregenerate person - particularly one that puts his effort into MISunderstanding and blaspheming YHWH - cannot be expected to understand the things of the Spirit of God.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

It even more ridiculous when Mohammedans try to discuss the figurative language of dreams and visions through Satan's antichrist eyes. Nor will copy and pasting a blasphemous exegesis be permitted, since you already tried to lie your way into attributing the Greek and Roman "faun" as springing from scripture. You have NO standing.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2286.msg9526#msg9526

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2011, 09:51:10 AM »
Why do bow to the idols and pictures of fake god that never existed ?

Your post is very telling. The ONLY RECORD we have regarding God you consider fake, even as you follow a bunch of poppycock that YOU KNOW was all CREATED in the 7th and 8th century AD about the self-serving false prophet Mohammed and his alter-ego "Allah". The only historical parts come from a couple centuries before, as thinly repackaged Quraish pagan rituals of moon, sun, star and jinn worship.

Regarding bowing to idols Christians don't. Idolatry is prohibited in scripture. Though some of the Roman church does. We have a whole category devoted their errors. Most of it written by former Roman church clergy.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=75.0

Yet you cannot deny that you prostrate yourself 5 times a day to the very same Quraish black stone idol that the pagans venerated before Mohammed.
So who are the idolaters my friend?




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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2011, 09:51:44 AM »
Why do you believe in book that is changed over time ?  

If the book changed over time, then was Mohammed just stupid for suggesting the following IN THE 7TH CENTURY, after the Bible had been translated into every popular language, had been copied tens of thousands of times, and had been being read all over the known world for centuries?

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
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Please explain.

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2011, 10:56:19 AM »
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Why do you believe in book that is changed over time ?

SalahDin, I would like to address this question if I may. I will wait for your response before I post my reply.

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2011, 10:38:23 AM »
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_11_Satans_Bargain.Islam
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Satan’s Bargain

   "Satan cast a false Revelation on the Messenger of God’s tongue."

At this point, Ibn Ishaq reveals a stunning temptation - one which I have entitled "The Quraysh Bargain." Ishaq:132-3 "Utba, who was a chief, said while sitting in a Quraysh assembly, 'Why don't I go to Muhammad and make some proposals to him? If he accepts, we will give him whatever he wants, and he will leave us in peace.' They thought it was a good idea, because if they tried to negotiate with him they would no longer be blamed for his actions. So Utba went to the Prophet, who was sitting in the mosque by himself, and said, 'O my nephew, you are one of us yet you have come to our people with a matter that is dividing the community. You are ridiculing our customs. You have insulted our gods and our religion. You have even declared that our forefathers were infidels. So listen to me and I will make some suggestions, and perhaps you will be able to accept one of them.' The Apostle agreed. Utba said, 'If what you want is money, we will gather for you some of our property so that you may be the richest man in town. If you want honor, we will make you a chief so that no one can decide anything apart from you. If you want sovereignty, we will make you king. And if this demonic spirit which has possession of you is such that you cannot get rid of him, we will find a physician for you, and exhaust our means trying to cure you. For often a demonic spirit gets possession of a man, but he can be rid of it.' The apostle listened patiently." Wow! The Sira is incriminating.

While Muhammad hesitated, the Meccans went on the offensive - hitting every one of his hot buttons. They charged: Ishaq:134 "'Muhammad if you don't accept our offer then ask your Lord to give us the land and water we lack, for we are shut in by these mountains, we have no river, and none live a harder life than we do." With this they destroyed Muhammad’s stated justification for preaching Islam. The Meccans weren't gluttonous as Muslims claim. "If you speak the truth, resurrect Qusayy for us for he was a true shaikh, so that we may ask him whether what you say is accurate." The Quraysh correctly identified the true patriarch of Islam, the founder of the Ka'aba Inc., and the man who invented the scam Muhammad coveted. "If you do this we will believe you and know that God has sent you as an apostle as you claim.'"

Muhammad did nothing, so... "Well then at least ask your god to send an angel to confirm your depictions of paradise and give you the mansions and gold you obviously crave. If not that, then send us the Day of Doom you threaten us with, for we will not believe you until you perform a miracle." The Meccans knew that a prophet devoid of prophecies and miracles couldn't be what he claimed. What's more, they knew that his god was powerless. "Why doesn't your god help you? Didn't he know that we were going to present you with these opportunities to prove yourself? Listen, Muhammad; we know the truth.

Information has reached us that you are taught by this fellow in Yemen called al-Rahman. By Allah, we will never believe in Ar-Rahman.'" The Meccans even knew the source of the Qur'anic revelations, a Hanif named after their god. "'Alright then, our conscience is clear.' When they said this the Prophet got up and left." The Quraysh saw right through Muhammad’s prophetic act. They exposed him and laid him bare, just as we are doing today.

As you read these words remember that the Sira's Hadith are not only considered to be divinely inspired scripture, they represent Islam’s most essential writings. The Sira provides the lone chronology of Muhammad’s words and deeds written within three centuries of his death. Ishaq:135 "'Muhammad, your people have made certain propositions.... They asked you for things so that they might know that your position with God is as you say it is so that they might believe and follow you, and yet you did nothing. They even asked you to hasten the punishment you are frightening them with, but you could not do it.' The Prophet went to Khadija, sad and grieving." Ishaq tells us that the Quraysh escalated their verbal assault, calling Muhammad a "sorcerer, spitting and blowing," an "insane poet - preaching in rhyme," and "demon possessed - whispering delirium." They said that his Qur'an was plagiarized "fairy tales of the ancients." Yet with each new iteration, his familiar spirit had a ready Qur'anic verse - ever escalating the war of words.

One of the most bizarre facets of this new game of "put up or shut up" involved some Jewish rabbis from Yathrib. The Quraysh sent emissaries to test Muhammad’s claim that he was the last of the Biblical prophets. We're told that the rabbis laid down a challenge. Ishaq:136 "Ask him about the Mighty Traveler who reached the confines of both East and West. Ask him what the spirit is. And ask him what happened to the men who disappeared in ancient days. If he does not know he is a rogue, a forger, so treat him as you will." While the Jews asked no such questions, the Meccans convinced Muhammad that they had. "So Muhammad said to the emissaries, 'I will give you the answers tomorrow.' But the Apostle waited for fifteen days without a revelation from God on the matter, nor did Gabriel come to him, so the people of Mecca began to spread evil reports." Fact is, the Meccans had fingered the Yemeni Hanif (and thus God), and our hero couldn't ask the Yathrib Jews (and thus Gabriel) because he thought that they had composed the challenge.

Left to his own devices, Muhammad didn't do very well. He said that the answers finally came to him in the form of the 18th surah - aptly named "The Cave." The last time he was on his own searching for god in all the wrong places, Satan had met him there. This time his spirit friend said that the "Mighty Traveler" was a Muslim: Qur'an 18:83 "They ask about Dhu'l-Qarnain [Alexander the Great]. I shall recite to you something of his story. We established him and gave him the means to do everything. So he reached the setting place of the sun and saw that it set in a muddy spring of hot, black water. Around it he found people. He asked if he might punish them." The story goes on to talk about extraterrestrials, mythical people, and to claim that the pagan Alexander was a Muslim. I'll present the entire story in the last chapter as it ultimately points to our destiny.

The "men who disappeared," according to the Qur'an, were Moses and his servant. They went sailing looking for a fish and some buried treasure. The inane story unfolds at the 60th verse and continues until god sends Alexander off looking for the extraterrestrials.

The verses that precede these "answers" focus on Satan, "hell fire, punishments, deceptions, and annihilations." I can only assume that the "spirit" is the Devil himself. In fact, "The Cave" surah ends with: "We have prepared Hell for the hospitality of the infidels...because they disbelieved and mocked My Signs and Messengers."

However, Ishaq believes the "men who disappeared" were "the dwellers of the cave of Raqim." Beginning at the 18th verse, Allah claims that some men stayed in a cave for 300 years and argued about dogs. Ahmed Ali, in his translation of the Qur'an says that the cave is the place the Dead Sea Scrolls were found. That's hilarious in that the Qumran scrolls prove that the Qur'an is a lie.

What this all means is, without Jewish and Hanif inspiration, Muhammad didn't do very well. The 18th surah is the Qur'an's most foolish.

At this point, Tabari picks up the trail of the Quraysh Bargain. The Meccans clearly understood Muhammad’s motives. In one of Islam’s most revealing Hadiths, we discover: Tabari VI:106 "The Quraysh promised Muhammad that they would give him so much wealth that he would become the richest man in Mecca [money], they would give him as many wives as he wanted [sex], and they would submit to his commands [power]." They didn't bother tempting him with an acknowledgment of his prophetic claims - by agreeing that he really was Allah’s Messenger. The Meccans knew that the prophet gig was just a means to an end.

"The Quraysh said, 'This is what we will give you, Muhammad, so desist from reviling our gods and do not speak evilly of them.'" This bargain was proposed on the basis of accommodating the Meccan gods. The deal was clear; the stakes were high. Sex, power, and money were being offered in exchange for total capitulation. The oneness of Allah was all that separated Muhammad’s Islamic doctrine from Qusayy's scam. If the messenger accepted, he was through as a prophet, and Islam was finished as a religion.

Tabari VI:107 "'If you will do so, we offer you something which will be to your advantage and to ours.'" The prophet was evidently intrigued, tantalized perhaps. They held the keys to the Ka'aba Inc. and were offering him a founder's share. This could be good... "'What is it.' he asked. They said, 'If you will worship our gods, Al-Lat and Al-Uzza, for a year, we shall worship your god for a year." Once again, it's both perplexing and incriminating that the Quraysh don't name Muhammad’s god. After all, Allah was their god. In fact, Allah was supposed to be the proud poppa of Al-Lat (the female form of Allah) and Al-Uzza.

There is but one explanation for this omission. Muhammad was still referring to his god as Ar-Rahman, the deity of the Yemeni Hanifs. Those who codified the Qur'an decades later simply swapped Ar-Rahman’s name out of some of the later Meccan surahs and replaced it with Allah. This change is confirmed by a Hadith contemporaneous to these events: Ishaq:162 "Abu Jahl met the Apostle and said, 'By Allah, Muhammad, you will either stop cursing our gods or we will curse the god you serve.' So the Qur'an verse was revealed, 'Do not insult those [gods] to whom they pray lest they curse God wrongfully through lack of knowledge.' [Qur'an 6:108] I have been told that the Apostle then refrained from cursing their gods, and began to call them to Allah [rather than Ar-Rahman]." The critical word is: "began."

Tabari VI:107/Ishaq:165 "Walid, As, Aswad, and Umayyah said, 'Muhammad, come and let us worship that which you worship and you worship what we worship. We shall combine in the matter and shall make you a partner in all our undertakings. [The Ka'aba Inc. - the legacy of Qusayy's religious scam was still the principle game in town.] If what you have brought is better than what we already have, we will be partners with you and take our share, and if what we have is better than what you have, you shall be a partner with us in what we have, and you shall have your share of it." Their schemes were virtually indistinguishable. They were only squabbling over ownership.

Muhammad’s immediate response to the Quraysh Bargain should tell us all we need to know about Islam’s lone prophet. He didn't say no. He hesitated, and was clearly tempted to worship Al-Lat and Al-Uzza if it meant money, sex, and power. "Let me see what revelation comes to me from my Lord [not Allah].' he replied."

Although I can't prove it using the Islamic Traditions, in my opinion, Muhammad went to his aging wife Khadija and asked her what she thought he should do. After all, she had been the founder of Islam - the inspiration behind the Profitable Prophet Plan. I think Khadija scuttled the deal. More wives would have been competition. And although she would have relished the prestige of being a shareholder in the Ka'aba Inc, what was she going to do with more money? She was over seventy years old and near death.

So Khadija nixed the deal: "Then, the following inspiration came from the Preserved Tablet: 'Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which you worship; nor do you worship that which I worship, And I shall not worship that which you worship, nor will you worship that which I worship. To you your religion and to me my religion.'" Sorry Tabari, I know that is what the Hadith says but it just ain't so. The 109th surah, from which this revelation was quoted, was among the first handed down. It was revealed a decade before this bargain was struck. So what really happened?

Khadija died (or was killed), and Muhammad accepted the deal. The very next line in The History of al-Tabari, Muhammad at Mecca, confirms my theory: "Satan Cast a False Revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s Tongue." Possessed by the Devil, Muhammad chose poorly. He succumbed to his demonic urgings and began to worship Al-Lat and Al-Uzza. He was finished as a prophet.

While the Islamic spin-meisters in Baghdad tried their best to put lipstick on this camel, the whole affair was as ugly as it was deadly. No matter how valiantly they attempted to excuse Muhammad’s behavior, a pig in makeup is still a swine. Tabari VI:107 "The Messenger was eager for the welfare of his people and wished to effect reconciliation with them in whatever way he could. It is said he wanted to find a way to do this, and what happened was as follows:" Before we wallow in what follows, I'd like to poke a hole in the excuse. Muhammad’s people were long gone. He had sent them off to Abyssinia for fear they would be seduced. And the notion of reconciling himself to the pagans is laughable. Muhammad had done nothing but harangue them for a decade now, calling them names barely suitable for print. When they teased him he said, "I will bring you slaughter." Sorry, Muslim apologists, I don't think so.

The isnad, or chain of reciters, introducing the Hadith reads: "Ibn Mumayd-Salamah-Muhammad Ibn Ishaq-Yazid bin Ziyad al-Madani-Muhammad bin Ka'b al-Qurazi:" I share this because of what happened to Salman Rushdie. He wrote a novel based upon what these champions of Islam had to say. Muslims went berserk. They had Rushdie's book banned and panned. They nailed Satanic Verses to crosses and burned it during hostile rioting. The Ayatollah Khomeni, the leader of the Islamic world at the time, put a fatwa on Rushdie, offering his fellow Muslims a million dollars for the writer's head.

Yet Rushdie had merely exposed Islam’s own Traditions. So why get mad at him? Was Muhammad so perverse and Islam so corrupt that modern clerics have to hide the truth for their doctrine to survive? Apparently, yes.

This is what follows: Tabari VI:108/Ishaq:165 "The Messenger saw his tribe turn on him. He was pained to see them shunning the message he had brought from Allah. So he [abandoned both his message and his god because he] longed for something that would reconcile his tribe to him. With his love for his tribe and his anxiety over this it would have delighted him if the obstacle which had made his task so difficult could be removed [so he could accept their generous offer of power, sex, and money]." The only points of contention, thus obstacles to reconciliation, were: Ka'aba custodianship, the number of gods, and the top god's identity (Allah or Ar-Rahman).

"So Muhammad debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then Allah revealed: 'By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived; nor does he speak out of his own desire. [In truth, he did all three and was about to prove his guilt.] And when he came to the words: 'Have you thought about Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat.' Satan, when he was meditating upon it and desiring to bring reconciliation, cast on his tongue, because of his inner longings and what he desired, the words: 'These are exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses). Verily their intercession is accepted with approval." Simply stated, Muhammad said, "I accept the Quraysh Bargain."

But at what cost? The Qur'anic recitals had been filled with assertions that there were no intercessors. And four gods were at least three too many for a monotheistic religion. Muhammad had therefore abandoned the central plank of his mission: "There is no ilah but Allah." Islam was no longer monotheistic. What's more, the prophet's grandiose and Messianic claim of being Allah’s intercessor was pummeled, stoned by a trio of rock idols. And that wasn't the worst of it. Islam’s lone spokesperson had just aligned himself with Satan.

It’s little wonder the Ayatollah wanted Rushdie's book burned. It’s little wonder the Qur'an urges Muslims not to pry too deeply into Islam or ask questions. The truth is devastating. The Quraysh Bargain and Satanic Verses confirm that Muhammad was demon possessed and that the Qur'an was "inspired" to advance his personal agenda. These Hadiths prove Islam was a fraud, as counterfeit as a $3 bill. What's more, the Profitable Prophet Plan has been elevated from highly probable to undeniable.

But the Islamic Hadith was not finished burying its prophet. Tabari VI:108/Ishaq:166 "When the Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him. While the Muslims, trusting their Prophet in respect to the messages which he brought, did not suspect him of a vain desire or slip. When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, obeying his command and following his example." Now you know the reason why the world is in such a mess. A demon-possessed man sought to satiate his vain desires, and billions, failing to suspect his fraud, followed his example and obeyed his commands.

If you are a Muslim reading these words, flee this delusion before it's too late. This despicable man and his demonic spirit are not worthy of your soul.

Tabari VI:108/Ishaq:166 "Those polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the mosque likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself. Then they all dispersed from the mosque."

In the context of the Quraysh Bargain, this passage proves that Islam was nothing more than Muhammad’s scheme to take what rightfully belonged to others. It was his personal gateway to money, power, and sex. The Ka'aba Inc. - the religious scam of the patriarch Qusayy - was being cashed in by a covetous and amoral man. The evidence is undeniable. Islam was a plot, not a religion. Allah and Satan were one.

Independent Islamic scholars, even those sensitive to the religion, know that this Satanic indulgence destroyed Islam. They recognize that nothing in the Qur'an can be trusted if the prophet can't distinguish between Godly and Satanic inspiration. And while they have a point, they miss THE point. Apart from the initial cave demon, there never was any spiritual inspiration. The Qur'an, cover to cover, is too foolish, violent, demented, and immoral to be Godly. The Meccans were right: it was from "a madman, a plagiarizing poet, a far-fetched forger, a demon possessed sorcerer. There is surely a motive behind the Qur'an."

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 11:39:59 AM »
Within the context of these Traditions we must also deal with the lesser issues. The passage confirms that Allah was one of many gods. Muhammad promoted a pagan rock idol. The prostration prayer, the performance that distinguishes Muslims from other religious practitioners, was pagan too. So was the mosque, the cradle of Islamic submission. And the Ka'aba, the center of Islamic obedience, was a pagan shrine. All five pillars of Islam crumbled in the wake of the prophet's Satanic indulgence. There were ilahs beside Allah. Muhammad was Satan’s messenger. The prostration was a pagan ritual rather than an Islamic obligation. And everything was rendered naught by a devilish bargain. Even the religious tax became suspect as it was orchestrated by a prophet tempted and trumped by the love of money.

The religion of Islam died that day along with its founder, Khadija. But out of its ashes the political doctrine of Islam emerged. And while the prophet failed, the profiteer soared to ever-greater lows. Acquiescing to temptation, accepting Satan’s Bargain, Islam turned from gray to black. As the sun set on the pagans mooning the Meccan moon god, it also set on the religion of Islam, never to rise again.

As much as Muslims would love to absolve themselves and their prophet of the Quraysh Bargain and Satanic Verses by claiming that the Hadiths were "unauthorized," they are unable. Both history and their cover up render their objections moot. Without the reconciliation that followed the Bargain, there was no way to explain: Tabari VI:109/Ishaq:167 "The news of this prostration reached those of the Messenger's Companions who were in Abyssinia. The people said, 'The Quraysh have accepted Islam.' Some rose up to return. Then angel Gabriel came to the Messenger and said, 'Muhammad, what have you done?'" While that's what the Hadith says, the prophet first mentioned Gabriel's name two years later in Medina. But that's not to say he didn't have visitors. A trio of men, Bakr, Umar, and Hamzah, took their prophet to the woodshed - or at least that's where they would have taken him if Mecca had wood.

Islam’s dark spirit was quoted saying: Ishaq:166 "'You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from Allah, and you have said that which He did not say to you.' The Messenger was grieved and feared Allah greatly. So Allah [not Gabriel] sent a revelation to him, consoling him and making light of the affair [of worldly bargains and Satanic indulgences]. He informed him that there had never been a prophet or messenger before who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had interjected them on Muhammad’s tongue and into his desires."

To hell with truth - literally. Desperate to save his prophetic mission, Muhammad retreated to familiar ground. He claimed that he was as covetous, immoral, demented and ill-advised as every other prophet. He was just dabbling in a little demonic delusion to satiate his cravings for power, sex, and money. It was no big deal.

Only the Jewish scriptures couldn't bail him out this time. Neither the Torah nor the Talmud contained devilish tales that could be twisted to salvage his sorry soul - so none were given. There were no names dropped, Biblical or otherwise. Muhammad was on his own. No other prophet had ever "desired and wished as he had desired and wished."

The founders of Islam said: Ishaq:166 "Then Allah annulled what Satan had cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers.'" Muhammad’s lord revealed: "Every Messenger or Prophet before you recited the message Satan cast into his recitation. Allah abrogates what Satan casts. Then Allah established his verses. Allah is Knower, Wise." [Qur'an 22:52]

One lie has been refuted with another. The 22nd surah would not be revealed for another decade. In fact, it was one of the final Medina surahs. But by reciting it, Muhammad destroyed his only alibi - denial. Now that the Qur'an has verified the Satanic Verses, Muslims cannot whisk them under the carpet without impugning Allah’s credibility along with Muhammad’s.

Let's take a quick look at the surah to better understand Muhammad’s mindset. But so as not to compound the prophet's error and take the passage out of context, I want you to know that the 47th verse of this late surah speaks of Allah’s intended punishment on the Day of Doom. The 48th is about Allah overtaking townships, the 49th speaks of warnings, the 50th forgiveness, and the 51st demeans the inmates of the flaming fire. Somehow that brings us to: Qur'an 22:52 "Never did We send a messenger or a prophet before you, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some vanity into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in," A second translation reads: "He recited (the message) Satan proposed. But Allah abolishes that which Satan proposes." Another claims: "Satan made a suggestion respecting his desire; but Allah annuls that which Satan casts," And we have: "whose recitations Satan tampered with, yet Allah abrogates what Satan interpolates; and Allah will confirm His Signs/Revelations: for Allah is all-knowing and wise."

It was such a devilishly delicate matter, so everyone seemed to have a little different take on what Allah allegedly revealed, albeit ten years late. But no matter how you slice it, the Qur'anic excuse confirms that the Satanic Verse episode actually occurred. The Hadith cannot, therefore, be "unauthorized." Muhammad is said to have allowed Satan to throw "some vanity into his desires," (The Quraysh Bargain) and to have allowed Satan to "tamper with the recitations" (The Satanic Verses). Allah then canceled Satan’s toss, abolished the Devil's proposal, annulled Satan’s cast, or performed an abrogation - the ultimate miracle of the Qur'an. He never denied the Quraysh Bargain or the Satanic Verses. Therefore, Muslims can't either.

Allah abrogating the Devil aside, the Qur'anic justification for the Satanic Verses ends with this treasure of spiritual inspiration: Qur'an 22:53 "That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, the Devil's proposals, but a trial and temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease. Verily the wrong-doers are in a schism. And those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur'an) is the truth from your Lord, and that they may believe therein, and their hearts may submit lowly before it, for verily Allah is the Guide of those who believe, to the Straight Way." Muhammad succumbs to temptation, sides with the Devil, and it's everyone's fault but his own. His indulgence was convoluted into a trial for the infidels - our schism. Then, after saying that Satan’s proposals often slip into scripture, we are asked to trust the Qur'an, to submit lowly before it. While this is revolting, it is also convicting. Muslims who try to deny the existence of the Satanic Verses must deny the Qur'an, for it clearly acknowledges them.

That leaves Islam in an impossible position. Muslims must either admit that Muhammad was a power-hungry, money-grubbing, sex-crazed charlatan in cahoots with the Devil, or they must deny the validity of the Hadith and Qur'an. One leaves them without a prophet, the other without a god. Either way, they no longer have a religion.

Tabari VI:110 "Thus Allah removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared, and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses) whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of 'Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.' the words: 'are yours the males and his the females? That indeed is an unfair division! They are but names which you and your fathers have given.' to the words: 'to whom he wills and accepts." [Qur'an 53:21]

Not only does this mean that Allah copy-edits Satan, it proves Muhammad didn't know where he was - or even who said what to whom, when. The aforementioned quote was from the 53rd surah, which came before the 22nd. In fact, the 53rd was the forty-sixth surah handed down. It preceded the Satanic event by many years. The 22nd surah was 107th out of 114 in order of revelation. The Hadith says that these spiritual revelations followed one another, yet that is impossible. Not only is their order reversed, they are separated by a sea of words, hundreds of miles, and a decade of time.

So Islam has a fatal problem. If the rationale for dismissing the Satanic Verse/Quraysh Bargain episode isn't valid, or even plausible, Muhammad’s motivations for establishing the submission religion were about vain desires, not godly revelations. There is no way for Muslims to differentiate between spiritual guidance and satanic deception - an acute problem considering how much of the Qur'an is fixated on Satan’s realm, pain, and punishment. Whether the Quraysh Bargain and Satanic Verses occurred or not, the Qur'an cannot be trusted, for it claims they did. Further, a "perfect and eternal tablet" cannot be out of order, inverted, or grossly disjointed - especially on an issue of this magnitude.

The entire validity of Islam pivots around the Satanic Verse/Quraysh Bargain. If Muhammad was enticed by sex, money, and power and capitulated, as these Hadiths testify, Islam is finished. The credibility of its lone prophet is tarnished beyond redemption. His motivations are exposed for all to see. As a result, Qusayy becomes the founder of Islam; Muhammad is simply a self-serving promoter. And Khadija's Profitable Prophet Plan suddenly becomes the only viable explanation.

More devastating still, these events do not stand alone. Muhammad admitted that Islam was designed to enrich himself at the expense of others. We have examined his confessions. And his behavior from this point on, as chronicled by the Hadith, becomes entirely focused on sex, power, and money. As for Satan, Muhammad admitted being demon possessed. According to the Qur'an, his neighbors recognized the signs. They even offered to help him exorcise his demons.

The fact that Muhammad admitted to having been inspired by Satan has caused many to say that Islam is Satanic, and not without just cause; the evidence is overwhelming. The symbols used throughout the Islamic scriptures are from the Occult. A snake, the personification of Satan, led Abraham to the Ka'aba and revealed its foundations. A snake is the only creature said to have lived in the Ka'aba. The darkened or crescent moon, another Satanic symbol representing counterfeit light, is the religion's logo. Allah was a moon god. He swore by the moon. His stone was black. The darkness of night was the best time to worship him and recite his message. The Qur'an was endorsed by jinn, demons from Satan’s tribe. Muhammad listened to soothsayers. He believed in magic spells. An occultist saved his father's life; another wanted to lay with him. Even the seal of prophethood on Muhammad’s back was said to look like an apple - the image of Satanic temptation. And Satan played a starring role in the Qur'an, being named ten times more often than Muhammad.

Then there's the Qur'an's depiction of Allah. He spends time in Satan’s realm, tormenting the inmates of hell. He is never shown playing with the virgins in paradise. Allah, like Satan, is sadistic. He leads men astray, shackles them, and drags them into hell, where he's personally involved, using their bodies as fagots for his fires. He turns men on a spit, makes them eat thorns, and pours boiling water on them for what he calls "their entertainment."

Some will protest that the same book and prophet call Allah merciful, and that they claim Satan to be their foe. But that is the greatest proof of all. Satan never identifies himself; he is the master of camouflage. The Qur'anic orders to "crucify unbelievers" and "wipe infidels out to the last," followed by "Allah is merciful and kind," is perfectly transparent. It’s exactly what the Devil would do - appear divine while inspiring devilish behavior. In fact, the behavior in Allah’s heaven would lead men to the Biblical hell. Satan is the master of deceit. Black is white, the lie becomes true, and everything leads away from a relationship with the one true God.

There are but three differences between Satan and Allah. And those differences cause me to believe that Islam wasn't wholly Satanic. Satan is real. He is powerful and brilliant. Allah was imagined. He was impotent and foolish. Much of Islam was Muhammad’s doing. He is to be despised, not pitied. He, like the demonic spirit that inspired him, must be exposed and rebuked.

The Hadith claims that Qur'anic remedy for Muhammad’s Satanic indulgence is in the 53rd surah. Let's see if Team Islam gets itself out of trouble or if it digs itself in deeper. "The Star" is named after Lucifer. Qur'an 53:1 "I call to witness the Star when it dips [a.k.a., the "Morning Star"]. Your Companion (Muhammad) is neither confused, deceived, nor misled. Nor does he speak out of (his own) desire [unless he is tempted with money, sex, and power]. It is a revelation revealed, He was taught (this Qur'an) by the Supreme Intellect (Gabriel [actually Lucifer]), One free from any defect in body or mind: for he (Gabriel) rose and became stable (in stately form), clear to view. While he was in the highest part of the horizon, then he approached and came closer, then he prostrated. He was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer."[/b][/color] The claim that he bowed is telling. Neither Gabriel nor Lucifer would have bowed to any man so Muhammad is adlibbing here.

Since the Hadith says Gabriel was the source of Qur'anic inspiration, Islam has tumbled into the abyss no matter how this verse is interpreted. Bukhari:V1B1N4-5 "Allah’s Apostle used to listen to Gabriel whenever he came, and after his departure he used to recite the Qur'an as Gabriel had recited it." "Gabriel used to meet him every night to teach him the Qur'an." But we have been told that Allah was the "Supreme Intellect," that he was "Most Wise, All Knowing," and that he had no partners. Since Allah’s Gabriel would never claim a superior position to Allah, this cannot be Gabriel. So who might it be?

Here are some clues. The surah is named after Lucifer, and it's presented in conjunction with the Satanic Verses. By way of witness, the "Star" is calling himself the "Supreme Intellect, one free from any defect in body or mind." The only angel who considered himself to be superior to God was Lucifer. For such blasphemy, Lucifer was thrown out of heaven. So now he says that he not only landed on his feet in perfect stately form, he has risen. As clearly as words allow, he has just told us that he has fulfilled Biblical prophecy and transformed himself into an angel of light to deceive a gentile messenger with a new "gospel" and prostration. (You'll find a complete analysis of Isaiah's and Paul's prophecies and their Islamic fulfillment in the "Mein Kampf" chapter.)

The Satanic Verse goes on to say: Qur'an 53:10 "So He did reveal to His slave whatever He revealed. The (Prophet's) heart did not falsify what he perceived he saw. Will you then dispute with him about what he saw? For indeed he saw him [him who] at a second descent. [Oops. A "descent" is a journey down.] Near the Lote Tree beyond which none may pass. Near it is the Garden of Abode (the Seventh Haven). [Therefore, Muhammad’s heaven is down, not up.] When that covered the Lote Tree which did cover it. [Say what?] The sight turned not aside, nor did it go wrong! ["At least I perceived I saw him. Why don't you believe me?"] Indeed he did see of the greater signs of his Lord!" Methinks - no, meknows - he doth protest too much - especially since we are about to enter the realm of the Satanic Verses and pagan gods.

Qur'an 53:19 "Have you then seen or thought upon Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs), and considered another, the third (goddess), Manat (of the pagan deities)?" Manat was an afterthought because she was not part of the Quraysh Bargain.

Now, for Allah’s copy-edits: "What! for you sons, the male sex, and for Him, daughters, the female? Are yours the males and His the females? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!" Muhammad just jumped from the Devil's frying pan into the hell fires of sexism and discrimination. He is saying that Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat can't be Allah’s daughters nor goddesses because they are girls. In plain English: "It would be an injustice for men to have sons and gods to have daughters because women are worthless." It’s little wonder that the Islamic politicians and clerics who depend on Islam for their status, power, and wealth threaten to kill anyone willing to expose this nonsense.

Qur'an 53:23 "These are nothing but names which you have invented, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority." Yes they are names, names given to them by Muhammad’s forefathers - just like Allah’s name.

Projecting one's flaws onto an opponent is standard political fare: "They follow nothing but conjecture and what they themselves desire! Whereas guidance has come to them from their Lord! Nay, shall man have anything he hankers after, whatever he covets?" It seemed to work for Muhammad. The career move from prophet to profiteer would satiate his every craving. For example, when Muhammad wanted more women, Allah said: Qur'an 33:51 "You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."

Fortunately, we have ratted him out. This surah is as transparent as it is incriminating. Qur'an 53:26 "And there are many angels in heaven whose intercession does not avail except after Allah has given permission to whom He pleases and chooses. Those who believe not name the angels with female names." This is Qur'anic waffling. Muhammad is trying to please both Meccan and Muslim. He's saying that the female goddesses could be angels, and that Allah might consider allowing them to be intercessors after all.

The next eight verses can be summarized by: "The Meccans know nothing and want everything and Muhammad knows all and wants nothing." Then Qur'an 53:36 "Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Pages (of the Books) of Moses - and of Abraham who fulfilled all that?" Muhammad is admitting that the Torah was the source of his "inspiration," but he doesn't know much about "all that."

A dozen verses ramble nowhere with lines like: "It is He who makes you happy and morose," before heading back into the world of pagan astrology and mythological people. Qur'an 53:49 "He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star the pagan Arabs used to worship). It is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient Ad (people) [who never existed], and (the tribe of) Thamud He spared not; And before them, the folk of Noah, for that they were (all) most unjust and rebellious; and He destroyed the Overthrown Cities (of Sodom and Gomorrah). [Allah didn't know their names but the translator did, so he helped god out.] So there covered them that that which did cover (making them ruins unknown)." The writing quality is as impoverished as the message.

The Bible says that the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah will serve as visual confirmation of Yahweh's judgment and salvation. The Qur'an says that the ruins are unknown. Since archeologists have found Sodom and Gomorrah, their brimstone should serve as a visual confirmation that Allah is a liar. And please don't be troubled by the slur. Now that we know that Allah was modeled after Satan, it's a compliment.

Qur'an 53:56 "This is a Warner, of the Warners of old! The threatened Hour is nigh. None besides Allah can remove it. Do you then wonder at this recital? And will you laugh at it and not weep, wasting your time in amusements? [That's a hoot. With countless wives, sex slaves, and child concubines, Islam’s prophet was the king of frivolity.] So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and serve [me]!"

Since neither the 53rd nor 22nd surah redeemed Muhammad, we are left with the Profitable Prophet Plan being the only viable explanation for Islam. Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of [actually, reneged on] what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah. He has altered [the bargain] and brought something else.' Those two phrases which Satan had cast on Muhammad’s tongue were in the mouth of every polytheist. They became even more ill-disposed and more violent in their persecution of those of them who had accepted Islam and followed the Messenger." The pagans had the prophet on the ropes and they knew it. Not only had he lied and broken a promise for personal gain, he had destroyed his credibility and abandoned the central pillar of his "doctrine" - the oneness of a spirit that only spoke to him.

"The Muslims who had left Abyssinia [Ethiopia] upon hearing that the Quraysh had prostrated themselves with the Prophet, now approached. When they neared Mecca, they learned that the rumor of the Meccan people accepting Islam was false. They returned to their families and said, 'You are more dear to us [than Islam, is the implication].' The people reversed their decision...." Considering the distances, and the speed upon which news and people traveled, Muhammad may have gone as long as a year before he bailed out on the Quraysh Bargain and Allah’s little girls. The indulgence cost him most of his converts.

This admission of failure is followed by a second variant of the Satanic Verses. It ends with this admission: "The Messenger said, 'I have fabricated things against Allah and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.'"

The Quraysh Bargain and Satanic Verses conclude my case against the religion of Islam. As I promised to demonstrate, the doctrine has completely destroyed itself. Yet the rest of the story is both entertaining and foreboding. While these confessions from Muhammad and Allah enable us to close the books on the religious scam, accepting their guilty pleas, a new scam is about to unfold. This one is political, and this one prevailed.

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2011, 03:08:59 PM »
Under increasing boycotts and pressure from the pagan Meccans, a weakened and precarious Muhammad accommodated the Meccan pagans by acknowledging the existence of the three pagan goddesses Lat, Uzza, and Manat, alongside Allah.

To our Muslim friends that keep trying to deny that "Allah" was the name of the pagan Quraish's moon god, rather than empty denials, would you please inform us as to just which pagan deity "Allah" WAS to the Quraish. The sun? Venus?
Does it really matter WHICH of the Quraish's pagan deities was named "Allah"?
Mohammed's father's name was Abdullah or slave of Allah.
Who can we presume that Mohammed's moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worshiping father was a slave to?

Why do you prostrate yourself 5 times a day, to the Quraish's black stone idol, whichever star or planet it represented?
Why do you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's Kaaba where the pagan Arabians venerated 360 idols - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land?

I am not going to repeat the same thing that we already discussed :

It would only be a repeat if you had offered an explanation - but you certainly haven't yet.

The holy Quran Condemn Satan , so how can satan insulte him self in his books as you infidels claim.

Satan himself declares that he is the greatest of schemers as Mohammed's alter-ego "Allah". Satan even fooled you into believing, that simply because you say you seek shelter from Satan by following Satan's religion, that you will somehow receive shelter from Satan.

Can you see the comedy in what you wrote? Your whole question presupposes that Satan would be truthful while Satan is, of course, known as the father of lies.

Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He even scares his gullible minions into following him through simple child psychology. Like that you just aptly displayed. That's why about one out of every 9 verses are about punishment and hell. Specifically into scaring you into following the guy who is actually going to take you there.

Craig Winn put it better than I did in my explanation quoted, and poor Sal provides such an apt and tragic demonstration, of Satan's sorely deceived dupes.

"Some will protest that the same book and prophet call Allah merciful, and that they claim Satan to be their foe. But that is the greatest proof of all. Satan never identifies himself; he is the master of camouflage. The Qur'anic orders to "crucify unbelievers" and "wipe infidels out to the last," followed by "Allah is merciful and kind," is perfectly transparent. It’s exactly what the Devil would do - appear divine while inspiring devilish behavior. In fact, the behavior in Allah’s heaven would lead men to the Biblical hell. Satan is the master of deceit. Black is white, the lie becomes true, and everything leads away from a relationship with the one true God."

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Re: The Satanic Verses
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2011, 06:23:40 AM »
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/satanic_verses_in_the_koran.htm

From Islam Reviewed by M. Ali

8 - SATANIC VERSES IN THE KORAN?

A time came in Islamic history when the Muslims faced severe persecu-
tion from the unyielding Meccans, so severe in fact, that eighty three of
Muhammad's followers had to flee to Abyssinia (Ethiopia). When the
persecution grew worse, Muhammad underwent a moment of despair
and made compromising "revelations." He declared the possibility of
Allah having a wife, Al-Lat and two daughters, Al-Uzza and Mannat, as
recorded in Surat an-Najim:

"For truly did he see, the signs of his Lord, the greatest! Have ye
seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third [goddess] Manat?
What! For you the male sex, and for him, the female? Behold,
such would be indeed a division most unfair!" (Sura 53:18-22).

This indirect confession of polytheism made the Meccan pagans
happy. Their bone of contention had been done away with (earlier, he
had fearlessly lashed out against polytheism). The Meccans immediately
lifted the boycott, stopped the persecution, and peace again reigned in
Mecca. The Muslims who had migrated to Ethiopia heard the good news
and returned home. But by then, Muhammad had withdrawn his
confession. It appears that Muhammad realized the far reaching negative
effect his compromise with the polytheists would have on his ministry.
So on at least this one occasion, he admitted that he was actually
inspired by Satan, as we read in Surat al-Hajj: 

"Never did we send an Apostle or a prophet before thee but
when he frame a desire, Satan threw some [vanity] into his
desire. But God will cancel anything [vain] that Satan throws in.
And God will confirm [and establish] his signs. For God is full of
knowledge and wisdom, that he may make the  suggestions
thrown in by Satan, but a trial. For those in whose hearts is a
disease and who are hardened of heart: Verily the wrong doers
are in a schism far [from truth]" (Surat al-Hajj 22:52,53).

The Al-Jalalayn interpretation is that after Muhammad recited Surat
an-Najim (Sura 53) before a Council, the angel Gabriel informed him

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that the verses were put in his tongue by Satan. Muhammad felt sorry and
confessed his mistakes, supposing a similar fate befell preceding apostles.
Later on Allah annulled these Satanic verses with better "revela-
tions." As the last part of verse 53 suggests, Allah supposedly permitted
Satanic utterances to be in the Koran to test weak Muslims or to cut off
those who had hardened hearts. Thus, Islam itself regards Sura 53:18-22
to be Satanic, and Muhammad did indeed reject them later. Remember
Salman Rushdie? He didn't invent those Satanic verses. Those Satanic
verses are really in the Koran.

Here is a serious point for Muslims to ponder:

So, provably, there was one occasion when Muhammad was unable
to tell the difference between the voice of Satan and the voice of Allah.
Is that the only time it happened? Could there be other revelations
believed to be from Allah that were really from Satan? Is it possible that
the whole Koran is little more than Satanic verses?

Muslims claim that the Koran contains the words of Allah, 100%, but
the Koran not only has Satanic verses, but also a demonic sura. Unbeliev-
ably, a whole sura (chapter) in the Koran is named after the demons.
Shocking but true. Sura 72 is entitled Jinn (demons), Here is a short
quote:

"1. Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns
listened [to the Koran] They said,  we  have really heard a
wonderful Recital!
  2. It gives guidance to the right, and we have believed therein
we shall not join [in worship] any [gods] with our Lord.
  3. And exalted is the majesty of our Lord: He has taken neither
a wife nor a son.
  4. There are some foolish ones among us who used to utter
extravagant lies against God.
5. But we do think that no man or spirit should say aught that
is untrue against God.
6. True, there were persons among mankind who took shelter
with persons among the jinns but they increased them in folly.
7. And they [came to] think as ye thought, that God would not
raise up anyone [to judgement].
8. And we pried into the secret of heaven: but we found it filled
with stern guards and flaming fires.

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9. We used, indeed, to sit there in [hidden] stations, to [steal] a
hearing: but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watch-
ing him in ambush.
10. And we understand not whether it is intended to those on
earth or whether their Lord [really] intends to guide them to
right conduct.
11.  There are among us that are righteous and some the
contrary: we follow divergent path.
12. But we think that we can by no means  frustrate God,
throughout the earth, nor can we frustrate Him by flight.
13. And as for us, since we have listened to the guidance, we
have accepted it: and any who believes in his Lord has no fear,
either of a short [account] or of any injustice.
14. Amongst us are some that submit their wills [to God] and
some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their
wills-they sought out [the path] of right conduct.
15. But those who swerve, they are [but] fuel for hell fire."

 It should disturb every Muslim that demonic conversations are consid-
ered to be part of the supposed word of Allah. But upon reflection you
can see how and why they are.

First of all, let us define Jinns.

Advanced Learners Dictionary of Current English defined jinns to be
genies or goblins - mischievous demons - ugly looking evil spirits. The
Bible defines demons as angels who followed Satan in his rebellion
against God:

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and
prevailed not: neither was their place found anymore in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast
out into the earth and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev.
12:7-9)

No one should take a jinn's claim seriously, that "some of them are
righteous," Sura 72:11. Satan is the father of lies (John 19:44), so why
should we believe what his Jinns said in the Koran? Jinns, like their
Master (Satan), are liars. To deceive us, they gather half-baked truths
into bundles of lies. That demons and Satan are barred from the true

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heaven forever is indicated from their own confession in verses 8-9.

There they admit that they unsuccessfully tried to storm heaven but met
opposition from stern-looking angelic guards. Even their attempt to spy
at heaven was foiled as they admit in verse 9. The true nature and root
of Islam is revealed in verse 14 when the jinns, (whom the Bible God
cast out of heaven) became Muslims and found a refuge in Islam.

"Among us [jinns-demons] are some that submit wills (to God)
[i.e. Muslims] and some that swerve from justice. Now those
who submit their wills [demonic Muslims] they sought out [the
path] of right conduct." (Sura 72, Jinn, 14).

God forbid that I should belong to the same religion that the arch-
enemies of God, the demons, also profess. Who could sponsor a religion
that includes God's arch-enemies, i.e. the jinns (demons)? Only Satan
posing as Allah would do so. Before their conversion, the evil spirits
confessed what was later to be a central theme of Islam, that Allah has
neither taken a wife nor had a son (72:3).

It is clear at this point that while posing as the angel Gabriel and
claiming to be from Allah, one of these jinns (demons), gave Muhammad
a denial of the sonship of Christ and the fatherhood of God. This blatant
falsehood is repeated over twenty times in the Koran. Bearing in mind
the Satanic verses incident, one must acknowledge that the devil can
impersonate a holy angel. (2 Corinthians 11:13-15). As an interesting
note, when Muhammad received his first "revelations," he was not sure
of the source of them himself. His wife (Khadija) convinced him that
they must have come by the angel Gabriel.1

Muhammad's encounter with the jinns (demons) is also recorded in
another sura, Sura 46, Al-Ahqaf, 29-32:

29: "Behold, we turned towards the company of jinns [quietly]
listening to the Koran; when they stood in thy presence thereof,
they said "Listen in silence!" when the (reading) was finished,
they returned to their people, to warn [them of their sins].
30: They said, O our people! we have heard a Book revealed
after Moses, confirming what came before it: It guides [men] to
the truth and to straight path.
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 1 See Yusuf Ali's Commentary No. 31-33.
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31: O our people hearken to the one who invite [you] to God,
and believe in him: He will forgive you your faults, and deliver
you from a penalty grievous.
32: If any does not hearken to the one who invites [us] to God,
he cannot frustrate [God's plan] on earth, and no protectors can
he have besides God; such men [wonders] in manifest errors."

These are admissions, within the Koran, that Muhammad had actual
contacts with demons. This encounter is believed to have taken place at
a time Muhammad lost his first wife, Khadija, and his uncle, Abu Talib,
who had been protecting him all along. Muhammad tried to seek refuge
in Taif, a village on the hilly side of Mecca, but the villagers rejected him,
and he slipped out to the desert where the jinns (demons) met with him
as he recited the Koran.

This second sura, dealing with the same event as in Sura Jinn, goes
so far as to reveal that the jinns (demons), after listening to the Koran,
began to proclaim it to others. In other words, demons became mission-
aries for Islam. Their support for the Koran shows that the jinns and
Islam are inseparable. The conversion of seventy three Yatrib (Medina)
pagans to Islam, before the Prophet Muhammad even set foot there,
cannot be unconnected with the evangelistic activities of "faithful" jinns
(demons). As expert whisperers, demons whispered to villagers, "Lo! we
have heard a wonderful recitation, [i.e. the Koran], so believe it" (Sura
46:31). Obviously, demons played a crucial role in the formation of
Islam, and today they are playing a significant role in its spread. The
jinn's are true Muslims!
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