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lyubashka1

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Second return/Season of Returns Question
« on: March 04, 2012, 11:40:09 AM »
Hello everyone,
I recently got a chance to read some of Ellis Skolfields' works (False Prophet as well as some of the essays). I am thankful to God that I met one of his students and he told me about the book, which made the Lord so much "real" to me. I have been reading so much more (Bible as well as his other works).
I have stumbled upon some interesting information online,
let me know what your thoughts are on this,
Thanks!
http://www.theseasonofreturn.com/
There are a couple of videos on this site (which I originally found on YouTube), I was wondering what your thoughts are on the whole moon/sun matter that is mentioned in various parts of the scriptures.
This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QXc6BdRlOQ&feature=player_embedded
First, it may help to watch the two videos regarding the Feasts.
Thank you,
I hope to hear from you soon.
Lyuba


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Re: Second return/Season of Returns Question
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »
Hi lyubashka 1 and welcome to the forum. I am not entirely familiar with Joel Richardson's work but you may want to read up on the "antichrist" sections of Ellis' work just so you have a working knowledge of how we regard "antichrist". I will watch the videos tomorrow as I have to go to bed soon. The feasts of Israel hold significant prophetic value and I will write more on that tomorrow. In the mean time God bless
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: Second return/Season of Returns Question
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 10:28:29 PM »
Hello again,
I was hoping someone got a chance to review those videos. The "blood moons" information was addressed by pastor Mark Biltz of Tacoma, WA in 2008.
It sounds reasonable to me, but I would love to hear someone else's opinion, especially of those who study and know the word of God.
Thanks!
Lyuba

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Re: Second return/Season of Returns Question
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 07:15:11 AM »
Hello again,
I was hoping someone got a chance to review those videos. The "blood moons" information was addressed by pastor Mark Biltz of Tacoma, WA in 2008.
It sounds reasonable to me, but I would love to hear someone else's opinion, especially of those who study and know the word of God.
Thanks!
Lyuba

Hi Lyubashka. Sorry to have taken so long looking. While we believe we may well be in what Daniel referred to as the "time of the end", we are in the Isaac Newton and Matthew Henry camp in regard to using prophecy as if it were intended for us to predict the future. If you take a closer look you may notice that virtually the entirety of this forum deals with fulfilled prophecy (as does Skolfield's book), rather than guesswork theology.

"The folly of interpreters has been to foretell times and things by this prophecy [Revelation], as if God designed to make them prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the prophecy also into contempt. The design of God was much otherwise. He gave this and the prophecies of the Old Testament, not to gratify men's curiosities by enabling them to foreknow things, but that after they were fulfilled they might be interpreted by the event, and his own providence, not the interpreters', be then manifested thereby to the world. For the event of things predicted many ages before will then be a convincing argument that the world is governed by Providence." - Sir Isaac Newton

We don't have to remember very far back to "88 reasons Jesus is coming in 1988". Without having read it I'm going to hazard a guess that there was no small amount of citing natural disasters as proof in that book as well.

Here's how Matthew Henry expressed it:

"VI. That this prophecy of those times, though sealed up now, would be of great use to those that should live then, v. 4. Daniel must now shut up the words and seal the book because the time would be long ere these things would be accomplished: and it was some comfort that the Jewish nation, though, in the infancy of their return from Babylon, while they were few and weak, they met with obstructions in their work, were not persecuted for their religion till a long time after, when they had grown to some strength and maturity. He must seal the book because it would not be understood, and therefore would not be regarded, till the things contained in it were accomplished; but he must keep it safely, as a treasure of great value, laid up for the ages to come, to whom it would be of great service; for many shall then run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Then this hidden treasure shall be opened, and many shall search into it, and dig for the knowledge of it, as for silver. They shall run to and fro, to enquire out copies of it, shall collate them, and see that they be true and authentic. They shall read it over and over, shall meditate upon it, and run it over in their minds; discurrent—they shall discourse of it, and talk it over among themselves, and compare notes about it, if by any means they may sift out the meaning of it; and thus knowledge shall be increased. By consulting this prophecy on this occasion they shall be led to search other scriptures, which shall contribute much to their advancement in useful knowledge; for then shall we know if we follow on to know the Lord, Hos. 6:3. Those that would have their knowledge increased must take pains, must not sit still in slothfulness and bare wishes but run to and fro, must make use of all the means of knowledge and improve all opportunities of getting their mistakes rectified, their doubts resolved, and their acquaintance with the things of God improved, to know more and to know better what they do know. And let us here see reason to hope that, 1. Those things of God which are now dark and obscure will hereafter be made clear, and easy to be understood. Truth is the daughter of time. Scripture prophecies will be expounded by the accomplishment of them; therefore they are given, and for that explication they are reserved. Therefore they are told us before, that, when they do come to pass, we may believe. 2. Those things of God which are despised and neglected, and thrown by as useless, shall be brought into reputation, shall be found to be of great service, and be brought into request; for divine revelation, however slighted for a time, shall be magnified and made honourable, and, above all, in the judgment of the great day, when the books shall be opened, and that book among the rest."


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Re: Second return/Season of Returns Question
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 07:21:04 AM »
In regard to seeking signs, Jesus had something to say on the subject to the Jews:

Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

At the following link is an alternate exegesis regarding the Sun being darkened, using hermeneutics to determine a definition of Sun, and darkening of that Son as relates to the apostasy the "church" has been undergoing:

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/matthew_24_olivet_discourse.htm#matthew_24_29

Right after mentioning the "Day of the Lord" the video says "As any student of the Bible will attest, the Lord always gives advance notice before executing His plans."

Is that confirmed by the bible's description of the Day of the Lord?
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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Re: Second return/Season of Returns Question
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 12:57:48 AM »
Very good points, thank you Peter for your response!
Lyuba

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Re: Second return/Season of Returns Question
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 10:48:48 AM »
Very good points, thank you Peter for your response!
Lyuba

You're welcome Lyuba. When someone prefaces a sentence with something like "As any student of the Bible will attest..." - which by extension tacitly says that anyone that disagrees is not a student of the bible - that should fly a big red flag.
Like the more popular version in Christian forums when someone says the Holy Spirit led them to a particular conclusion, which by extension, is saying that if you come to a different conclusion, then you must not be led by the Holy Spirit.
I'll go ahead and move the thread to the appropriate category.