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Peter

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I was informed through another forum: "For those of you who may be living in the Tidewater area in Virginia, specifically Chesapeake, the Muslims in that area have begun an aggressive outreach by visiting local Sunday Schools. They are handing out "tracts" and sitting in on the studies. They are not disruptive. They are trying to get people to come to their meetings in an attempt to bring us all together. Unfortunately that cannot happen unless they are willing to admit that Jesus died and rose from the dead and no one can come to the Father except through Him.

Please pray that the Christians can turn these visits into constructive opportunities to witness to these lost souls."

What a magnificent opportunity! Unprecedented in this day and age. Not only being able to reciprocate by handing tracts back to the Muslims who passed theirs out, but by having done so Muslims have opened the door to Christians joining them in their mosque, and passing out tracts to the Muslims worshiping there! I urge the Christians in those churches to reciprocate with tracts from "Islam and the Truth.com"
Particularly regarding the whole subject of the Gospel with a little Islam intro:
The Crucifixion of Jesus Christ in Prophecy
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/m30.pdf
Do you Love Jesus?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/m1a.pdf
And many more:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/free_tracts.htm

After getting requests from other forum members, he hoped to get his hands on the tracts, but the minister told him he could find the same info on this website related to those doing the infiltrating:
http://www.iicouncil.org/default.aspx?pid=49938&nid=36964

Here we find a group wishing there were an equivalence, between the one true God of the Jews and Christians name YHWH, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.....

.....and a god in the name of a pagan Arabian deity named "Allah", followed by members of a cult through a single 7th century false prophet from the SW Arabian desert, who lived 1200 kilometers from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Prostrating themselves five times a day toward the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagans venerated long before Muhammad continued the tradition. Even traveling to that idol and engaging in thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn devil worship rituals.
http://petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm

Some Christians, this author included, recognize Jews as my brethren and understand that they may not view me as the same, because scripture may indicate that some Jews may remain blind to the Gospel by an act of God, so they can't sin against it. Please review the page at this link on this "spirit of slumber":
http://israelinbibleprophecy.com/spirit_of_slumber.htm

Christians are commanded to love our enemies:

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

As Don Richardson reports regarding Jews in "Secrets of the Koran", "By Muhammad's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."

Nor do our Old Testament scriptures command Jews specifically to deny the Son of God and reject His shed blood as articles of their faith in YHWH. Indeed many Jews are brought into relationship with Christ through prophecy of His crucifixion in the Psalms and in Isaiah.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm

Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Muhammad always the exact opposite, the followers of the false prophet Muhammad are commanded to conquer all kingdoms and subjugate all people, to denying the Son of God and rejecting His saving shed blood:

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Of course a filthy blasphemy for a Christian to "testify" to.

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

This Second Islamic Jihad in the image of the First Islamic Jihad near conquest of the whole known world, before being stopped in Tours France.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#jihad

Quran Sura 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

A satanic lie regarding the Gospel binding fighting and slaying on anyone, but a "promise" that is "binding" on the followers of the false prophet Muhammad through the Quran.

Muhammad's followers follow Muhammad alone. Far beyond folly it is a blasphemous satanic exercise to attempt to marry an antichrist, Satan inspired false prophet and the only anti-a-specific-religion cult on earth - with Judeo-Christianity. With the very religion of which Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of its whole subject. Indeed not a stretch to suggest the whole subject of all the scriptures. The only promise made regarding the seed of Ishmael is that they would be numerous.

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

If there are any that believe themselves to be Christians, included in such a blasphemous abomination (and based on the materials it looks like little more than Islamic subterfuge and taqiyyah since they even mention the fiction of "Hanaf"), they are either ignorant to the Gospel or are hereby put on notice this goes far beyond ecumenism and even beyond religious pluralism. You are trying to marry Satan with the Gospel. Let alone the absurdity that there is not a shred of scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical evidence that suggests, that Mecca ever even existed before the 4th century AD. This makes Muhammadanism a provable preposterous fraud. Followers of an invention of the 7th century AD that was further embellished in writings that date into the 10th century AD. Islamic - what can only be called "tradition" - that was all created from thin air in the 7th to 10th centuries AD, without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#jihad

Dancing around the very thing we are called to preach: 1Cr 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Instead of preaching Christ crucified, they are actually applying the term "submission" to the Gospel. When the very name "Islam" means "submission"! Christianity is about a relationship with our Creator. With our Lord and Savior.
Anything in their material about what that relationship is all about, which is through faith in the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, through faith in the saving grace from the shed blood of the Messiah?

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Any warnings for the false prophet Muhammad's followers?

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

No surprise they did not cite from the hundreds of verses that declare the Son of God and His Father. Another Islamic opposite.

1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Any person that had thought himself to be a Christian engaged in this sort of subterfuge, is only helping those sorely deluded folks remain on their path, to what scripture indicates is their destruction.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

And for those that would engage in such as supporting the false prophet:

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

By ignoring that WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and pretending the false prophet Muhammad is anything but the EXACT OPPOSITE, they may well be putting themselves on far beyond thin ice:

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What kind of Christian could do such a thing? I could use some help in taking their stuff apart in the following posts, so that if anyone happens along here, that has fallen for their deception, we can help them see it is exactly that.
http://www.iicouncil.org/default.aspx?pid=49938&nid=36964

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The main page of the site begins by being titled with the 7th century Islamic pure fiction of a "religion of Abraham" of "Hanaf".
"The Religion of our father Abraham
Hanif Religion in Old Testament, New Testament and Quran"

There was never any such religion except in 7th century Muhammadan fiction. Indeed even the 10 commandments were given to Moses, not Abraham. Abraham never had a "religion" but a personal relationship with God. Something Christians enjoy through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit today. Something Muslims are left out of.
Indeed praying in Jesus name constitutes the most egregious - and only unforgivable sin - according to Muhammad. Thus each and every Christian over the last nearly 2,000 years has lived and died in a state of committing a sin worse than, for example, child rape or cold blooded murder.
http://www.petewaldo.com/unforgivable_shirk.htm

Then the site proceeds to get worse from there.

Quote
A. The Situation of The World Today

The world has been divided into religious groups. However, the order of God is clear: “Do not divide into groups!”

So it opens with a deception. The following is from the "Worldwide English Version" from which I presume his quote was lifted. Let's look at the whole verse:

"My Christian brothers, I beg you all in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, agree in what you say. Do not divide into groups. You should all think in the same way and decide to do the same things."

It has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims. The reason is because Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel. God sent His Son, our Savior, to reconcile the whole world unto Himself.

1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Yet to do so a Muslim commits the most egregious - and only unforgivable - sin according to Muhammad alone. Christians follow the religion of Jesus Christ, not a religion of a fiction that sprang from the mind of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate called "Hanaf".

Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Just as we find Muhammadan parents murdering their own children for coming to Christ.
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=DLDWGGNX

Let alone that the only promise given to the seed of Ishmael is that they would be numerous and against mankind. Just as we see the self-proclaimed Ishmaelites today.

Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

God specifically never had any covenant with the seed of Ishmael, but did specifically proclaim His covenant with the seed of Isaac.

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Specifically not included in God's Abrahamic covenants:

Genesis 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac. 11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. 12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

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This gets even more filthy than Muhammad's "Hanaf" fiction! This is some really sick twisted stuff. On their page "Three Holy Books"
http://www.iicouncil.org/default.aspx?pid=50293
When you get there you find listed: "Qur'an" "Torah" "Bible", which is peculiar enough, since the Torah is part of the Bible. So what do you get when you click on "Bible"?

A page that starts out like this:

"Opening- True Gospel of Jesus, called Christ, a new prophet sent by God to the world: according to the description of Barnabas his apostle."

Copy and paste that into a search engine and voila! The Gospel of Barnabas!!!
http://barnabas.net/chapters/271.html?task=view

A 16th century preposterous, conspicuous, provable Muhammadan forgery and fraud!
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=465.0
As exposed in this forum and so many other places on the web. A filthy lie that even teaches that Jesus said Muhammad is the Messiah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://barnabas.net/chapters/145-97-muhammad-is-his-blessed-name.html

"Then said the priest: `How shall the Messiah be called, and what sign shall reveal his coming?'

Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.'

Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Mohammed, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'


Pure raw unadulterated blasphemy! Even to a Muhammadan!

Gee, I wonder why they didn't choose the Gospel of Mark, for example, as the "Bible"?

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Yet they actually list Christians as being members of this abomination:
http://www.iicouncil.org/default.aspx?pid=49411

Either the site is lying about members, or the institutional church is in far worse shape than I ever could have possibly imagined.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/falling_away_apostasy.htm#religious_pluralism