(this was composed mostly on the 3rd but sent early on the 4th)
Embeded.
Ronald,
The link http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm is a case study of Christians taking scripture out of context.
I see a declaration, but devoid of comment on the odds of the math.
To read a counter-explanation read Chapter 15 and 16 of my book. So at the end of the day, we can argue for hours about how the other person is wrong.
There is no need to argue, as scripture offers us a simple shortcut, rather than having to trade proof texted verses that spring from our self-indoctrination. And blessedly, as regards this particular subject, of the restoration of Jews to Israel, offers more clarity than any other. Here is that shortcut:
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
You can embellish 17th century Roman Catholic Jesuit Luis Alcazar's counter-reformation heresy in a book until you are blue in the face, but that won't undo the matter of fact physical historical reality, of the restoration of Jews to Israel. Their having built it from the abject desolation of 200 years ago to becoming one of the world's leading economies, with that tiny little strip of land becoming the geopolitical focus of the whole world, and the bane of most unregenerates of the world.
When Alcazar penned his ruse, he didn't have the benefit of having witnessing this stunning reality, the realization of which scripture suggests would make even "the heathen" know He is Lord.
http://www.modernzionism.com/zionism_in_prophecy.htmChristians today enjoy the benefit of having had that stunning reality come to pass, yet preterists amazingly still rail against that reality, because it doesn't fit their doctrine. It is obvious to those with eyes to see, that preterism should have been most embarrassingly relegated to the dustbin of history.
Your doctrine, like Roman Catholics and other supersessionists, precludes you from being able to believe that restoration of Jews to Israel is of the Lord, even though Christians anticipated it through prophecy, hundreds of years before that restoration ever began to take place.
http://www.modernzionism.com/zionism_in_christianity.htmYour aversion to that reality even inspiring you to set out on a personal mission to proclaim that Jews aren't Jews, as a further expression of your hostility toward this very physical matter of historical fact. Perhaps next you will be doing another republishing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. At least that's the direction that those in Arnold Murray's anti-Zionist Serpent Seed Cult tend to go.
Since your self-indoctrination has precluded you from even considering, that the restoration of Jews to Israel is of the Lord, you must then conclude it to be of Satan since we would both agree that it obviously did not take place in a spiritual vacuum.
That means that one of us has been deceived by Satan, and perhaps we could even say, follows Satan in this regard.So since you fail to recognize, that Jesus did not return in the same manner in which He left, let's judge by the fruit as the verse quoted earlier recommends.
As a Zionist I am joined by the majority of Israeli Jews, Israeli Christians, Israeli non-Muslim Arabs - as well as tens, or perhaps even hundreds of millions of evangelical Christians around the world. I am also joined by those great men of God of the Reformation like Isaac Newton, Matthew Henry, and puritans like Thomas Brightman and John Owen who all anticipated this restoration through prophecy, centuries before it ever began to take place.
In stark contrast, as an anti-Zionist you are joined by the majority of Israeli Muslims - as well as non-Israeli self-described Christians such as Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, David Duke and the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, and Ted Pike (google Ted Pike's wife and decide if those anti-Zionists are enjoying God's protection), who are joined by a unanimity of non-Israeli Muslims from around the world, and Louis Farrakan and his Nation of Islam, as well as secular groups like communist Soviets, the United Nations, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, white supremacists, Nazis, skinheads, and anti-Semites of all stripes. You can deny you are in the KKK and I will of course believe you,
but that doesn't change the fact that you, and David Duke and the KKK are all anti-Zionist.
I usually like to get to the chase by asking a person what their academic credentials are?
Not surprising that you look to the approval of men while avoiding the points of scripture I raised. For openers, blessedly, I have not been indoctrinated by a seminary (relatively modern inventions).
My last church home was Calvary Chapel (in which I was saved), until I overcame Darby's doctrine, thanks to a dear sweet 86 year old elder named Ellis Skolfield, who was raised in the scriptures on his mother's knee as missionaries in the Philippines.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_false_prophet.htm#ellis_skolfieldI have spent countless hours with him over the last perhaps 8 years, frequently running things by him about which I have questions. For over 30 years he has written about Islam in Bible prophecy. This subject of the seat of Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast" should be no surprise to anyone with the ability to apply an adjacent hermeneutic to the terms leopard, bear and lion used in Revelation 13.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htmI also run things by another elder that [redacted some unimportant personal information for purposes of public posting] I am in contact with him frequently running questions that come up by him.
Also I would like to know if they are a Calvinist, .......
No, though interestingly Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah", was into predestination too.
Since over the last two centuries the traditional historicist approach to New Testament prophecy has been abandoned by the pop-church, it would be difficult to find an institution to assign me to. Indeed it is difficult for me to find a church home. I remained at Calvary Chapel for a while, but I eventually recognized how much influence Darby's doctrine had on the rest of their teaching that I was called out of that institution.
....... King James ONLY Bible, .......
No, though I believe it is the best we have (while perhaps not the best messenger, just consider the verse comparisons in New Age Bible Versions by Riplinger). I set my NKJV aside after noticing the term "antichrist" is selectively capitalized. I use the KJV in conjunction with Strong's and Greek and Hebrew interlinears, and at times will quote a more pop-version, if it is more consistent with the Koine Greek. Like using both the KJV and NKJV for the article "the" in kingdom and tribulation of Revelation 1:9.
Though I couldn't help but notice that you quote from a such a modern pop-bible that it wasn't even conceived until 1995, and gee, skewed I wonder to whose benefit? I even found a guy who actually thinks it's funny to suggest: "I now wittily refer to it as the “ultimate heretic bible†because it contains the signatures of some of the most notable or shall I say, most notorious preterist’s in America."
http://preterism.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-preterist-heretic-bible.....and the type of church they belong to?
The ecclesia I am part of "belongs" to Christ, and meet online, or anywhere else that two or more of us are gathered together. If you are in bondage to an institution, I recommend Frank Viola's "Pagan Christianity".
Usually these four things reveal very much. Most people who like to argue with me will not answer these four questions.
I "argue" (rebuke) with you because I am concerned, perhaps not as much for you, as I am for the people that you touch with a
heresy that stands outside of nearly 2,000 years of UNIVERSAL Christian CORE doctrine. I am as concerned for them as I would have been for those touched by Simon Magus. In particular my relatives that gave me the book.
The reason obviously being the scriptures warning us that your words "doth eat as a canker" that overthrows the faith of some:
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
You incorrectly characterize me as some type of liberal theologian.
No, I pointed out that liberals use Jesuit Alcazar's immediate audience hermeneutic at their convenience, to create their own path, and ignore church ordinances as not applying to today's church.
I would be willing to bet that I lead a much more conservative lifestyle than you do.
Not sure why you would wish to make it personal, but for the last 8 years or so I have spent about 8 to 12 hours a day, generally 7 days a week, particularly now preaching Christ crucified to 1.5 billion Muslims online. Doesn't leave a lot of time for much else. I wake up wide eyed in morning, generally between 4 and 5 AM, like a kid on Christmas morning every day.
In addition my wife is in proper biblical submission to her husband even though she does not wear a head covering. She dresses conservatively and does not nag, complain, or act passive aggressive as I have seen some women who wear "head coverings" do.
See what I mean? Does the ordinance say "your wife should dress conservatively"? No. You are excusing away her disobedience to Christ - and worse by denegrating women who observe that ordinance. It is a simple matter of obedience. Your statement even suggests that you understand what she should be doing, yet you created your own excuses, for defying what you know Jesus Christ expects of you and your wife. You CHOOSE to ignore church ordinances, you CHOOSE disobedience, to go your own way.
Here's more fruit of what happens to the body, when we ignore ordinances, and don't "try the spirits", for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMMHere's another free book by brother Skolfield, "Demons in the Church", that primarily deals with church ordinances.
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/demons_in_the_church.htmAlso it is apparent that you have not read ( or understood) all of my book.
I will admit that I began directly by seeking out the parts that I knew would reveal it as partial or hyper pretist. The relative who gave it to me, husband had given me a heretical pamphlet named "Matthew Twenty-Four An Exposition" also by an anti-Zionist supersessionist named J. Marcellus Kik, so I had a good idea as to what to expect. Indeed at the time the book was handed to me I asked if the author believes that the resurrection of the dead and Second Coming of Christ happened in the first century, and rather than being honest and simply answering, she (the Spirit?) couldn't bring herself to form the words to admit the simple truth, and instead said "just read the book". Plus I've chatted with preterists ad nauseum online over the years.
The arguments are logically very tight......
I suppose that is why you did not respond to the specifics of my replies. Like regarding whether you believe Jesus to return, in the same manner in which everyone saw Him leave, or not?
..... and have convinced numerous premillennialists, amillennialist, and postmillennialists that ortho-millennialism is the only correct interpretation.
My friend, 1.5 billion people in the world today have been convinced by men, that Muhammad is a prophet of God. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
All I need to do is simply judge by the fruit of anti-Zionism to very quickly know which side I want my Lord and Savior to find me on. Also by the fruit of Roman Church styled punitive supersessionism.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/supersessionism_replacement_theology.htm#roman_catholic_supersessionismYou are probably the author of the various links that you have sent,......
Several websites as well as a few youtubes and operation of a chat forum in which I would like to include our chat.
....... and thus you have a vested interest in supporting your position.
As my sites state, I neither solicit nor accept donations. My "vested interest" is helping the body of Christ overcome the pop-19th century popularized Roman Jesuit counter-reformation heresies of perterism and futurism, while guiding the the body of Christ back to the
traditional historicist approach to prophecy.
http://www.christianeschatology.com/historicism.htmMy materials are the result of first having spent years in Christian forums inviting others to help in trying and testing, prodding and probing, first Skolfield's material, and as a result over the years continuing to embellish as I was led to more and more questions that ever increasingly confirm and compliment the prior material rather than contradict it. I uploaded the original site BeholdTheBeast and kept adding content until it became too large, and the material subjects to diverse. This was mainly the result of my increasing burden of ministry to Muslims and having those chats also guide me through new subjects, like the history of Mecca (particularly from Dr. Rafat Amari's "Islam: In Light of History") and Christian eschatology in general, and so the number of sites grew.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/If you are wrong, almost two-thirds of your weblinks would have to be rewritten.
Interesting thing for you to say. I could indeed rewrite, upload, and it would be done (though archived websites are available at least back to the early 1990s). Indeed would have over the last 8 years if things had been other than increasingly confirmed.
You, on the other hand, are profiting from a book on which your name may as well be etched in stone as the responsible party for, each and every physical copy that is in circulation that has been and will be produced. Even if you change your position you could not possible retrieve those books and apologize. It is done. Irrevocably and irredeemably a continuing witness against you before Christ, who will indeed return, in the same manner in which He left.
This is why I can be perfectly comfortable pointing out to you that irrevocable position perhaps wouldn't be so bad if it were a minor position within the church, and perhaps just an expression of a unique position,
however you are peddling a horrific heresy that stands outside of nearly 2,000 years of UNIVERSAL Christian CORE doctrine, yet that doesn't even seem to concern you.
Your error is made even more apparent when we consider that it joins you with anti-Zionist Muslims, Nazis, skinheads and the KKK toward
advancing the Islamic conquest of Israel and the subjugation of Israeli Jews, Christians and Israeli non-Muslim Arabs to Muhammad's followers.Even as you see the fruit of the Zionist tree, and compare it with the fruit of the anti-Zionist tree that you inhabit, it doesn't seem to phase you. Really quite amazing.
Your claim that I am an amillennialist shows that you fundamentally do not understand the science of hermeneutics.
So you are not in the kingdom of Jesus Christ. Have it your way.
Those who fail to understand hermeneutics will commit "theological malpractice" without realizing it.
Again paying lip service to heremeneutics, yet again without showing me a comparison between your hermeneutic exegesis of John's leopard-bear-lion "beast" of Revelation 13, as compared to the one on my web page.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htmCould the reason be that you are embarrassed by the comparison, after seeing the simple and sound solution arrived at by brother Skolfield? Why don't you read it and compare it with the one included in your one-off, stand-alone, heresy that stands outside of nearly 2,000 years of UNIVERSAL Christian CORE doctrine.
In speaking with other preterists I get stuff like "well leopard, bear and lion are fierce animals and so that indicates the antichrist Nero was ferocious...." etc. etc. Silly stuff. How about yours?
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htmGod Bless,
Rev. Gerald Haug
