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Excellent site, with tons of versions, that are particularly handy when a heterodox (delusional peace desiring "hypocrite") Muslim tries to make the claim that you are quoting from a bad translation:
http://www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an

Hadith search
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php
Quran search
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php

Quran search
http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/

Glossary of Islamic terms
http://www.islam101.com/selections/GLOSSARY0.html

Quran.com
http://quran.com/

TheQuran.com
http://www.thequran.com/Read

Understanding the chronological order of the Quran is important since we can more clearly see Mohammed's recitations change from his earlier more peaceful ones, to his later violent ones after he began to spread Islam with the sword calling Muslims to slaughter non-muslims, as they have done for the last 1400 years.

Sura 8.67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

It is also important to understand, that when sorting out the many contradictions in the Quran, the later violent suras abrogate any pretense of peace one may find in the earlier suras.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

This "submitters" site agrees with the chronological order but the wikiislam site could have lifted it from their site:
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/miracle/revelationorder.html
They also offer an example of the hodgepodge within individual suras themselves.

"Not only was the order of revelations of the suras (chapters) different than their order in the Quran, but also the majority of the suras were not revealed as a complete unit at once. For example, the first revelation was Sura 96, Verses 1-4, the second revelation was part of Sura 68." etc. etc.

If someone disputes the chronological order presented in these sites, please post the order they found, on this thread.

"The Quran is not in chronological order, but arranged roughly longest surah (chapter) to the shortest.
The following lists the chronological (or revelational) order of revelation of the Quran."
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Quran

Chronological Order - Surah Name - Number of Verses - Location of Revelation - Traditional Order
1    Alaq    19    Mecca    96
2    Qalam    52    Mecca    68
3    Muzammil    20    Mecca    73
4    Mudathir    56    Mecca    74
5    Fatehah    7    Mecca    1
6    Masad    5    Mecca    111
7    Takwir    29    Mecca    81
8    A'la    19    Mecca    87
9    Leyl    21    Mecca    92
10    Fajr    30    Mecca    89
11    Dhuha    11    Mecca    93
12    Sharh    8    Mecca    94
13    Asr    3    Mecca    103
14    Aadiyat    11    Mecca    100
15    Kauthar    3    Mecca    108
16    Takathur    8    Mecca    102
17    Ma'un    7    Mecca    107
18    Kafirun    6    Mecca    109
19    Fil    5    Mecca    105
20    Falaq    5    Mecca    113
21    Nas    6    Mecca    114
22    Ikhlas    4    Mecca    112
23    Najm    62    Mecca    53
24    Abasa    42    Mecca    80
25    Qadr    5    Mecca    97
26    Shams    15    Mecca    91
27    Bhruj    22    Mecca    85
28    T'in    8    Mecca    95
29    Qureysh    4    Mecca    106
30    Qariah    11    Mecca    101
31    Qiyamah    40    Mecca    75
32    Humazah    9    Mecca    104
33    Mursalat    50    Mecca    77
34    Q'af    45    Mecca    50
35    Balad    20    Mecca    90
36    Tariq    17    Mecca    86
37    Qamr    55    Mecca    54
38    Sad    88    Mecca    38
39    A'Raf    206    Mecca    7
40    J'nn    28    Mecca    72
41    Ya'sin    83    Mecca    36
42    Farqan    77    Mecca    25
43    Fatir    45    Mecca    35
44    Maryam    98    Mecca    19
45    Ta Ha    135    Mecca    20
46    Waqiah    96    Mecca    56
47    Shuara    226    Mecca    26
48    Naml    93    Mecca    27
49    Qasas    88    Mecca    28
50    Israa    111    Mecca    17
51    Yunus    109    Mecca    10
52    Hud    123    Mecca    11
53    Yousuf    111    Mecca    12
54    Hijr    99    Mecca    15
55    Ana'm    165    Mecca    6
56    Saffat    182    Mecca    37
57    Luqman    34    Mecca    31
58    Saba    54    Mecca    34
59    Zamar    75    Mecca    39
60    Ghafer    85    Mecca    40
61    Fazilat    54    Mecca    41
62    Shura    53    Mecca    42
63    Zukhruf    89    Mecca    43
64    Dukhan    59    Mecca    44
65    Jathiyah    37    Mecca    45
66    Ahqaf    35    Mecca    46
67    Dhariyat    60    Mecca    51
68    Ghashiya    26    Mecca    88
69    Kahf    110    Mecca    18
70    Nahl    128    Mecca    16
71    Noah    28    Mecca    71
72    Ibhrahim    52    Mecca    14
73    Anbiya    112    Mecca    21
74    Muminun    118    Mecca    23
75    Sajdah    30    Mecca    32
76    Tur    49    Mecca    52
77    Mulk    30    Mecca    67
78    Haqqah    52    Mecca    69
79    Maarij    44    Mecca    70
80    Naba    40    Mecca    78
81    Naziat    46    Mecca    79
82    Infitar    19    Mecca    82
83    Inshiqaq    25    Mecca    84
84    Rum    60    Mecca    30
85    Ankabut    69    Mecca    29
86    Motafefin    36    Mecca    83
87    Baqarah    286    Medina    2
88    Anfal    75    Medina    8
89    Imran    200    Medina    3
90    Ahzab    73    Medina    33
91    Mumtahana    13    Medina    60
92    Nisa    176    Medina    4
93    Zilzaleh    8    Medina    99
94    Hadid    29    Medina    57
95    Muhammad    38    Medina    47
96    Ra'd    43    Medina    13
97    Rahman    78    Medina    55
98    Ensan    31    Medina    76
99    Talaq    12    Medina    65
100    Beyinnah    8    Medina    98
101    Hashr    24    Medina    59
102    Nur    64    Medina    24
103    Hajj    78    Medina    22
104    Munafiqun    11    Medina    63
105    Mujadila    22    Medina    58
106    Hujurat    18    Medina    49
107    Tahrim    12    Medina    66
108    Taghabun    18    Medina    64
109    Saff    14    Medina    61
110    Jumah    11    Medina    62
111    Fath    29    Medina    48
112    Maidah    120    Medina    5
113    Taubah    129    Medina    9
114    Nasr    3    Medina    110

Scroll to the 26 minute mark in the following video to learn why chapter 9 does not begin with "In the name of Allah, most gracious most merciful."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y7rUrXF8Hg

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Re: Quran and Hadith Resources
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 09:47:42 AM »
What abou the bible :

No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author--all have been in some way altered. The materialconditions under which a book was spread before the invention of printing (1440), the little care of the copyists, correctors, and glossators for the text, so different from the desire of accuracy exhibited today, explain sufficiently the divergences we find between various manuscripts of the same work. To these causes may be added, in regard to the Scriptures, exegetical difficulties and dogmatical controversies. To exempt the scared writings from ordinary conditions a very special providence would have been necessary, and it has not been the will of God to exercise this providence. More than 150,000 different readings have been found in the older witnesses to the text of the New Testament--which in itself is a proof that Scriptures are not the only, nor the principal, means of revelation. In the concrete order of the present economy God had only to prevent any such alteration of the sacred texts as would put the Church in the moral necessity of announcing with certainty as the word of God what in reality was only a human utterance. Let us say, however, from the start, that the substantial tenor of the sacred text has not been altered, not withstanding the uncertainty which hangs over some more or less long and more or less important historical or dogmatical passages. Moreover--and this is very important--these alterations are not irremediable; we can at least very often, by studying the variants of the texts, eliminate the defective readings and thus re-establish the primitive text. This is the object oftextual criticis
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2009, 09:56:06 AM »
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we can at least very often, by studying the variants of the texts, eliminate the defective readings and thus re-establish the primitive text. This is the object oftextual criticis

Perhaps you missed this part of your post. In other words we can have confindence that we know what was originally written using textual critiques. There is no ancient document in human history that has more attestation than the NT. There are over 5000 manuscripts that go back to the first three centuries in a score of languages. These texts all tell the same story we now have in our modern versions.

Now address the huge problems with the Koran. Like the fact that by Uthman's own addmission parts of the koran were left out and later the whole thing revised after 4 different versions had popped up including whole chapters that is not now found in the text.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 09:22:06 AM »
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Perhaps you missed this part of your post. In other words we can have confindence that we know what was originally written using textual critiques. There is no ancient document in human history that has more attestation than the NT. There are over 5000 manuscripts that go back to the first three centuries in a score of languages. These texts all tell the same story we now have in our modern versions.

Now address the huge problems with the Koran. Like the fact that by Uthman's own addmission parts of the koran were left out and later the whole thing revised after 4 different versions had popped up including whole chapters that is not now found in the text.

no i didn't but if look closer you can see
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No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author-

so in other words it was modifed .
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 10:01:03 AM »
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No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author

By your own admission then the koran was modified.

I applaud your amazing ability to miss the point of the post. I never said that variants did not occur from the old manuscripts. What I said was that none of those variances challenge Christian doctrine. As the vast majority are spelling errors and the use of proper nouns as opposed to pronouns. None of those variances change any of our beliefs. And as I told you the art of textual criticism assures us that our Bible came down doctrinally intact.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 12:31:34 PM »
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Perhaps you missed this part of your post. In other words we can have confindence that we know what was originally written using textual critiques. There is no ancient document in human history that has more attestation than the NT. There are over 5000 manuscripts that go back to the first three centuries in a score of languages. These texts all tell the same story we now have in our modern versions.

Now address the huge problems with the Koran. Like the fact that by Uthman's own addmission parts of the koran were left out and later the whole thing revised after 4 different versions had popped up including whole chapters that is not now found in the text.


did i speak of doctrine of christ-paganism ! no i didn't what i said that bible isn't gods word because as they it's modifted .

about doctrine i will speak abou that later .


bible isn't word of god :


This Is A Huge Mistake ., What You've Said Is Not Corners, This Is The DIRECTIONS.
Corners Meaning (The Position At Which Two Lines, Surfaces, Or Edges Meet And Form An Angle)
This Is The Definition Of Corners And It Means That The
Bible's Writer Didn't Know That The Earth Has A Sphere Shape And
Of Course This Is Against The Sience Which Mean That The Bible Is Not The Word Of GOD
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

He begetteth not, nor is He begotten

And there is none like unto Him

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 12:50:06 PM »

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This Is A Huge Mistake ., What You've Said Is Not Corners, This Is The DIRECTIONS.
Corners Meaning (The Position At Which Two Lines, Surfaces, Or Edges Meet And Form An Angle)
This Is The Definition Of Corners And It Means That The
Bible's Writer Didn't Know That The Earth Has A Sphere Shape And
Of Course This Is Against The Sience Which Mean That The Bible Is Not The Word Of GOD

Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: 

The people inspired to write the Bible were well aware that the earth was round. Furthermore what I said is that the four corners of the earth is a turn of phrase that is still used today to mean ALL OVER THE WORLD. If you want to talk about the scientific innacuracies of books lets look at the koran and hadiths.

Tabari I:236 "When the sun rises upon its chariot from one of those springs it is accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings.... When Allah wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby getting them to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot and falls into the deep end of that ocean. When Allah wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls and nothing of it remains in the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun. It is a misfortune for the sun." Scientific ignorance and pagan influence.

Qur'an 18:83 "They ask you about Dhu'l-Qarnain [Alexander the Great]. Say, 'I will cite something of his story. We gave him authority in the land and means of accomplishing his goals. So he followed a path until he reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in black, muddy, hot water. Near it he found people."


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did i speak of doctrine of christ-paganism ! no i didn't what i said that bible isn't gods word because as they it's modifted .

about doctrine i will speak abou that later .


What I said is that most the variants in the text are SPELLING ERRORS. The variants do not change the meaning of the verses and hence the doctrines. And by your own admission the koran underwent its' own modification. This fact is attested by Aisha and Uthman.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon