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Straight to article:
http://www.islamfortoday.com/saudi01.htm

What about countries that are 100% Muslim where everyone is ruled under the perfection of Islamic Sharia law? (and increasingly elsewhere (video)).
Bear in mind that this is the same sharia law that the Saudis are exporting to Nigeria and many other parts of the world, and the same that is coming to the U.S. through Saudi built Islamic centers and mosques.

In Saudia Arabia 15 girls were killed because Islamic religious police sent them back into a burning school for trying to emerge from the burning building without head coverings.
"The English-language Saudi Gazette, in a front-page report yesterday quoted witnesses as saying that members of the religious police stopped men who tried to help the girls escape from the building, saying: 'It is sinful to approach them.'"
http://www.islamfortoday.com/saudi01.htm
"A civil defense officer told an Arabic-language newspaper, al-Eqtisadiah, that he saw three members of the religious police "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya"."

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The police that are responsible for this heinous act have the distinct title of "The Police of the Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtue". If this is their methods for preventing vice and promoting virtue imagine how such a task force must deal with real issues of vice.

This is the future of the world if our leaders do not wake up to the dangers of Islam. These are not independent totally random isolated incidents. They all have a common denominator. ISLAM.
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Killing for Allah: Saudi religious police willfully obstruct schoolgirls' escape from fire because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress
Posted by: RB on: February 4, 2008
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Another case of killing for Allah. It seems like it was just 5 days ago that I had written about a student in the Islamic World who was being sentenced to death on the charge of blasphemy. Oh wait, it was.
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I just learned of the importance of double-checking publication dates. This story is from 2002. I feel like PZ probably felt a month ago.

This is from 2002, this news is not current and I cannot find the source as all the articles reads that are reporting from a report in Daily mail, or Ny times from a report in the Saudi Gazette,the article is no where in the Archives....

Sounds a bit dubious to me, I know many Saudis and people who work there, it is highly unlikely unless the school was under surveillance that the Mutawateen (Virtue Police) would be there before anyone else.

I am searching.

But please check your sources before disseminating anything that is from the media, they get paid to dramatize and mislead.

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Killing for Allah: Saudi religious police willfully obstruct schoolgirls’ escape from fire because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress
Posted by: RB on: February 4, 2008
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Another case of killing for Allah. It seems like it was just 5 days ago that I had written about a student in the Islamic World who was being sentenced to death on the charge of blasphemy. Oh wait, it was.
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Erratum:
I just learned of the importance of double-checking publication dates. This story is from 2002… I feel like PZ probably felt a month ago.

This is from 2002, this news is not current and I cannot find the source as all the articles reads that are reporting from a report in Daily mail, or Ny times from a report in the Saudi Gazette,the article is no where in the Archives....

Sounds a bit dubious to me, I know many Saudis and people who work there, it is highly unlikely unless the school was under surveillance that the Mutawateen (Virtue Police) would be there before anyone else.

I am searching.

But please check your sources before disseminating anything that is from the media, they get paid to dramatize and mislead.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the whole world could live like that? If Muslim police could send children all the world over, back into burning school buildings to die, and all to please your "Allah"?!
Oh but if we could all be lorded over by the obviously very Mohammed-like "Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"! Wouldn't that make it a wonderful world?
Such conspicuously moral and sound arbiters as to what is sinful and what is not!
Ah, but if Islam could only run the whole show! We could all go to Mohammed's "paradise"!
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=15+girls+killed+school+saudi+arabia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&gs_upl=4503%2C104%2C6%2C1%2C122%2C153%2C0%2C5&fp=21a021a323852dc4

Here's an article by some of your western apostates trying to modernize Mohammed's repackaged paganism. They try that in the Middle East - the cradle of Islam - and their heads would be cut off quicker than mine.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/saudi01.htm

15 girls die as zealots 'drive them into blaze'

"The Desert Arabs are more obdurate in disbelief and hypocrisy and more likely not to know the limits which God has sent down to His Messenger. God is All-Knowing, All-Wise." (Quran - Surat at-Tawba: 97)

Saudi Arabia's religious police are reported to have forced schoolgirls back into a blazing building because they were not wearing Islamic headscarves and black robes.

Saudi newspapers said scuffles broke out between firemen and members of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice who tried to keep the girls inside a burning school in Mecca.

Fifteen girls were killed as they stampeded to escape from the blazing building in the Muslim holy city. Saudi media and families of the victims have been angry over the deaths of the girls in the fire that gutted the school.

The resulting public criticism of the religious police, or mutaween, is highly unusual.

The English-language Saudi Gazette, in a front-page report yesterday quoted witnesses as saying that members of the religious police stopped men who tried to help the girls escape from the building, saying: "It is sinful to approach them."

A civil defence officer told an Arabic-language newspaper, al-Eqtisadiah, that he saw three members of the religious police "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

He added: "We told them that the situation was very critical and did not allow for such behaviour. But they shouted at us and refused to move away from the gates."

The father of one of the dead girls alleged that the school watchman refused to open the gate to let the girls out.

"Lives could have been saved had they not been stopped by members of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice," the Saudi Gazette said.

The much-feared mutaween roam the streets of the conservative kingdom wielding sticks to enforce dress codes and sex segregation and to ensure that Islamic prayers are performed on time.

Those who refuse to obey the orders of the religious police are usually beaten and sometimes jailed.

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Wouldn't it be wonderful if the whole world could live like that? If Muslim police could send children all the world over, back into burning school buildings to die, and all to please your "Allah"?!
Oh but if we could all be lorded over by the obviously very Mohammed-like "Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"! Wouldn't that make it a wonderful world?
Such conspicuously moral and sound arbiters as to what is sinful and what is not!
Ah, but if Islam could only run the whole show! We could all go to Mohammed's "paradise"!
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=15+girls+killed+school+saudi+arabia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&gs_upl=4503%2C104%2C6%2C1%2C122%2C153%2C0%2C5&fp=21a021a323852dc4

Here's an article by some of your western apostates trying to modernize Mohammed's repackaged paganism. They try that in the Middle East - the cradle of Islam - and their heads would be cut off quicker than mine.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/saudi01.htm


You Just dont get it...
What human beings do is based on their belief (emaan) and the faith (Yaqeen) they place in things.
Prophets of the past came to warn us about having false belief in man made books (people of the book) in Places (people of Israel) in objects (Hindus) in other human beings (Mushrihk) in Country (Communist) in business (Capitalist) in Agriculture and the elements, NONE OF THE ABOVE MUST BE WORSHIPPED, YOUR LORD GOD IS ALLAH

DO NOT LOOK AT THE HUMAN EXAMPLE OF A SCRIPTURE< A HUMAN  IS FALLIBLE PRONE TO MAKE MISTAKES WHEN HE ACTS ACCORDING TO HIS OWN DESIRES AND INTELLECT.

THAT IS WHY PROPHET MUHAMMAD CAME AS THE BEST OF EXAMPLES FOR MANKIND, SHOWING US THE PATH OF THE PROPHETS, MUSLIMS FULFILL PROPHECY AND SCRIPTURE, MORE THAN THAT THEY LIVE IT AND WHEN WE MAKE MISTAKES THE WHOLE WORLD REPORTS IT, IS THAT NOT SIGN FOR YOU, WHEN SOME OTHER RELIGION GOES INTO A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO MURDER AND STEAL AND EXPLOIT AND RAPE IT IS NOT A TALKING POINT IT IS CONSIDERED NORMAL BEHAVIOUR FOR THAT DISBELIEVER, WHEN A MUSLIM DOES IT IT IS SHOCKING!!!

THERE IS A SIGN FOR YOU, YOU REPORT PART OF THE SIGN REPORTING ALL THE BAD OF THE MUSLIMS (HUMAN)
THIS CREATES AWARENESS AMONGST TRUE BELIEVERS THAT THERE IS MUCH TO BE DONE IN THE MUSLIM UMMAH (BROTHERHOOD)

WE NEED AN AMIR TO BECOME WHAT WE ARE DESTINED TO BE, "THE BEST OF CREATION, COMMAND WITH WHAT IS RIGHT AND FORBID THAT WHICH IS EVIL"

ON THREE LEVELS
WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG WE HAVE TO USE OUR STRENGTH (ABILITIES) TO CORRECT IT
IF WE CANNOT WE MUST SPEAK OUT AGAINST IT,
IF WE CANNOT WE FEEL SAD IN OUR HEARTS AND ASK ALLAH TO CHANGE THE CONDITION FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUMANITY

At the moment very muslims are in the third category, unfortunately , i am making every effort to create awareness amongst every human being that he is destined to meet his Creator and that his abode here is temporary and that the life hereafter is everlasting, therefore find out what the responsibility is that we have as human beings, that will benefit ourselves and the entire humanity.

We will not achieve this by focussing on the evil-doers, or highlighting the faults of others while we have huge beams in our own eyes.

"SEEK THE TRUTH BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO SPEAK THE TRUTH" my own quote

What the Saudis are doing is policing their country, they do not want it to deteriorate like many other countries, Drugs, sex and alcohol, pornography, no respect for elders, murders, rapes, extramarital affairs and exploitation of rich over the poor and calling it business. They are doing what the deem necessary to maintain law and order according to their cultural needs. If that is the biggest gripe other people can have then they are short sighted and fooling themselves. Jails are a clear indication that certain people need policing, and prevention is better than jailing.

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"The Desert Arabs are more obdurate in disbelief and hypocrisy and more likely not to know the limits which God has sent down to His Messenger. God is All-Knowing, All-Wise." (Quran - Surat at-Tawba: 97)
This is a misquote by you, you tend to do this all the time, take Ayaats out of context even from the OT and NT to suit your absurd arguments!!!!

IT IS etiquette to quote at least THREE AYAATS when citing THE QURAN< SO THAT YOU GET A CONTEXT OF THE LINE YOU QUOTING>

Here is Verses 97-1
The bedouins (a'raby not araby) are stronger in disbelief and hypocrisy and more likely not to know the limits of what [laws] Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
The Bedouins, the [Arab] nomads, are more intense in unbelief and hypocrisy, than the city-dwellers, on account of their harshness and crude nature and their being too remote to hear the Qur'?n, and are more likely not to know the bounds of what God has revealed to His Messenger, in the way of rulings and [legal] prescriptions; and God is Knower, of His creatures, Wise, in what He does with them.


9:98
Sahih International
And among the bedouins are some who consider what they spend as a loss and await for you turns of misfortune. Upon them will be a misfortune of evil. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And of the Bedouins there is he who takes what he expends, in the way of God, as a penalty, as a liability and a [financial] loss, because he does not aspire to be rewarded for it, but expends it out of fear: these were Ban? Asad and [Ban?] Ghataf?n; and awaits for you [evil] turns of fortune, the fortunes of time, for you, that these should turn against you, and so be rid [of you]. Theirs shall be the evil (read as al-s?, or al-saw) turn of fortune, that is, chastisement and destruction shall turn on them, not on you. And God is Hearer, of the sayings of His servants, Knower, of their actions.

9:99
Sahih International
But among the bedouins are some who believe in Allah and the Last Day and consider what they spend as means of nearness to Allah and of [obtaining] invocations of the Messenger. Unquestionably, it is a means of nearness for them. Allah will admit them to His mercy. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And of the Bedouins there is he who believes in God and the Last Day, such as [men from among the tribes of] Juhayna and Muzayna, and takes what he expends, in the way of God, as [pious] offerings to bring [him] nearer to God, and, as a means, to [secure] the prayers, the supplications, of the Messenger, for him. Surely these, the expenditure of such [men], will bring them nearer (read qurubatun or qurbatun), to Him. God will admit them into His mercy, His Paradise. Truly God is Forgiving, to those who obey Him, Merciful, to them.

9:100
Sahih International
And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And the first to lead the way, of the Emigrants and the Helpers, namely, those who were present at [the battle of] Badr, or [it means] all the Companions, and those who follow them, up to the Day of Resurrection, by being virtuous, in deeds, God will be pleased with them, for their obedience of Him, and they will be pleased with Him, for His reward [to them]; and He has prepared for them Gardens - with rivers flowing beneath them (a variant reading adds min [min tahtih?, "beneath which"]) - to abide therein forever: that is the supreme triumph.[/i]

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The much-feared mutaween roam the streets of the conservative kingdom wielding sticks to enforce dress codes and sex segregation and to ensure that Islamic prayers are performed on time.

Those who refuse to obey the orders of the religious police are usually beaten and sometimes jailed.

Many foreigners I spoke to, skype, cellphone etc will concur that you are being a little dramatic and a touch paranoid, then again these are law abiding respectful people, I should actually speak to disrespectful, rude, obnoxious, arrogant, "I can do as I please when I please and to hell with everyone" kind of people and maybe they would have your view that we should impose our values on other countries and turn their lands into the kind of chaos we strive to keep under control with huge ,;ilitary and police budgets and still have a problem with gangsters in LA

The Mara Salvatrucha gang originated in Los Angeles, set up in the 1980s by Salvadoran immigrants in the city's Pico-Union neighborhood who immigrated to the United States after the Central American civil wars of the 1980s.[5][6]

Originally, the gang's main purpose was to protect Salvadoran immigrants from other, more established gangs of Los Angeles, who were predominantly composed of Mexicans and African-Americans.[7]

Many Mara Salvatrucha gang members from the Los Angeles area have been deported after being arrested.[8] As a result of these deportations, members of MS have recruited more members in their home countries. The Los Angeles Times contends that deportation policies have contributed to the size and influence of the gang both in the United States and in Central America.[8] According to the 2009 National Gang Threat Assessment, "The gang is estimated to have 30,000 to 50,000 members and associate members worldwide, 8,000 to 10,000 of whom reside in the United States" [2].

In recent years the gang has expanded into the Washington, D.C. area, in particular the areas of Langley Park and Takoma Park near the Washington border have become centers of MS gang activity.[9] Their wide-ranging activities and elevated status has even caught the eye of the FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who recently initiated wide-scale raids against known and suspected gang members netting hundreds of arrests across the country.


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Why can't you stick to a subject AnnaMuslim? We both know why, don't we?
Were you able to get the link to work yesterday on this post?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1230.msg6543#msg6543

Please respond to it on that thread.

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Wouldn't it be wonderful if the whole world could live like that? If Muslim police could send children all the world over, back into burning school buildings to die, and all to please your "Allah"?!
Oh but if we could all be lorded over by the obviously very Mohammed-like "Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice"! Wouldn't that make it a wonderful world?
Such conspicuously moral and sound arbiters as to what is sinful and what is not!
Ah, but if Islam could only run the whole show! We could all go to Mohammed's "paradise"!
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=15+girls+killed+school+saudi+arabia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&gs_upl=4503%2C104%2C6%2C1%2C122%2C153%2C0%2C5&fp=21a021a323852dc4

Here's an article by some of your western apostates trying to modernize Mohammed's repackaged paganism. They try that in the Middle East - the cradle of Islam - and their heads would be cut off quicker than mine.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/saudi01.htm


You Just dont get it...
What human beings do is based on their belief (emaan) and the faith (Yaqeen) they place in things.
Prophets of the past came to warn us about having false belief in man made books (people of the book) in Places (people of Israel) in objects (Hindus) in other human beings (Mushrihk) in Country (Communist) in business (Capitalist) in Agriculture and the elements, NONE OF THE ABOVE MUST BE WORSHIPPED, YOUR LORD GOD IS ALLAH

Not MY God. My God's name is Yahweh - "I AM".
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Exd&c=3&t=KJV#13

Allah is the name of the pagan Arabian moon, and later star, god, whose idol you still bow to 5 times a day and are compelled to travel to and circumambulate, just as the pagans did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0

DO NOT LOOK AT THE HUMAN EXAMPLE OF A SCRIPTURE< .........

I get this all too well. You mean like the Roman Church murder of millions of Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS, completely contrary to scripture.

.......... A HUMAN  IS FALLIBLE PRONE TO MAKE MISTAKES WHEN HE ACTS ACCORDING TO HIS OWN DESIRES AND INTELLECT.

Unfortunately for Mohammedan apologists like you, Mohammed's reprobate behavior, IS your scripture. Like his rape of prisoners, for example.

Quran Sura 33:50-51 "O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ...
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1564.0

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Why can't you stick to a subject AnnaMuslim? We both know why, don't we?
Were you able to get the link to work yesterday on this post?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1230.msg6543#msg6543

Please respond to it on that thread.

Please, when I respond to a post I give the entire picture not snippets of misinformation,
One person (worse if it is a child dying) is unacceptable, I cry when I hear of it, when a muslim is the cause I feel ashamed and seek repentance that I am not doing enough to educate myself and others.
The task in the Muslim world is enormous and in serious turmoil because of individual misguidance.
That is not the fault of the Quran or The Nabi Muhammad (peace be upon him)

I like the high Moral values you place on Muslims and you are correct we donot (we should not be given a slightest margin of error, as we have volumes that guide our actions.

I am sticking to the thread.
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i am making every effort to create awareness amongst every human being that he is destined to meet his Creator and that his abode here is temporary and that the life hereafter is everlasting

Given your grave concern for the everlasting what do you suppose these girls had waiting for them in heaven when they died? Please cite koran verses to support your answer.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Bismillah
Al-jawab billahi at-taufeeq (the answer with Allah's guidance)

A,1) There are two categories of Shaheed (Martyr);

a) Considered a Shaheed in this world as well as in the hereafter, which is known as Shaheed Haqeeqi.

b) Considered a Shaheed only in the hereafter and not in this world, this is known as Shaheed Hukmi.

1) Shaheed Haqeeqi (getting killed in the hands of someone else) is the -one who dies in defending his wealth, his self, his household (family) and dying in the path of Allah Ta'ala.
(Tirmidhi- Book of Blood Wit, Nisai'- Book of Battles, Abu Dawud- Book of Ettiquettes)

If a person was attacked and shot at point blank range and died instantly without benefiting from any worldly cause (medication, food, drink, etc.) then he/she will be regarded as a Shaheed in his burial proceedings. (Raddul Mukhtaar vol.2 pg.250; HM Saeed).
The instrument used to kill the person (gun, knife, etc.) does not make a difference. (Tahtaawi pg.344; Qadeemi).


2) Shaheed Hukmi (accidental death) is the one dies from natural disasters, or drowned, squashed by something, burnt. (Muatta Imam Malik), a person who dies in a plague, a woman who passes away due to child birth, a person who passes away in a motor car accident, etc. Diseases e.g- One who dies of cancer of the internal organs, a person who passes away due to an illness of the stomach, etc. Insha Allah, they'll be counted from amongst the Shaheed.

The first martyr of Islam was a woman, Sumayyah.

[3:169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

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[3:170] Rejoicing in what Allah has given them out of His grace and they rejoice for the sake of those who, (being left) behind them, have not yet joined them, that they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve.


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{171}
[3:171] They rejoice on account of favor from Allah and (His) grace, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers.

A Shaheed is said to enter paradise without reckoning and receive rewards that are above and beyond that what the normal person would receive to the extent that the person wishes he had ten ormore lives to sacrifice for the pleasure of ALLAH.


JUST A SHORT NOTE:
In some cases, people have translate, or named, "Shaheed" as "suicide" bomber".  This is such an ugly term.  A Muslim knows that suicide is prohibited and that Allah will punish them for it; it is like murder, even though one would be killing one's self.  A Shaheed has no desire to die for the sake of escaping life.  He loves life.  A Muslim should want to continue living and never even wish he were dead because maybe his life could serve the purpose of Allah and he could continue doing good deeds.  A Shaheed decides when he goes off to fight for Allah's cause that he is not going to fear death.  His attitude is to submit to whatever Allah has chosen for him, and he will accept the outcome.  He would prefer not to die and leave his family, but at the same time he almost looks forward to the sacrifice because of the great reward he'll receive form Allah.  He knows he'll be in Paradise forever.  He doesn't even fear the pain of death because Prophet Muhammad SallalLahu Alayhi Wasallam has told the Believers that at the time a Shaheed dies, he will not feel the pain; this is the mercy of Allah.  The pain will be similar to a bee's sting.
However, in order to earn the title of Shaheed one must have the correct Niat (intention).  In Islam intention is important behind every action in the religion.  The only One who really knows the true intention of a person is Allah, for He sees their heart and knows their mind.  Thus, the reward will rest upon the intention of the person.  The Shaheed must have in his intention to risk his life only for Allah and not for anyone else.  It can't be for his own ego.  It can't be for the title of "hero".  It can't be for revenge, for Allah will truly take care of the evildoers.  It must be to serve the purpose of Allah and to uphold truth, justice, and liberty as well as to fight against all types of oppression.
Allah states in the Qur'an that "Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main,, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah:  They are the people who will achieve (salvation)"  (9:  20)
To die as a Shaheed is an honour.  Some people desire this title if they must die because of the great reward.  Other people can achieve equal reward as a Shaheed:  those who die from terminal illnesses like cancer, the woman who dies as a result of childbirth or those who are murdered.
An incentive to be a Shaheed is found in the Hadeeth that states:  "No one who enters Paradise will want to come back to the world and have anything on the earth except the 'Shaheed.'.  He will wish to return to the world and be killed ten times because of the honour he sees" (Bukhari and Muslim).
We can understand why a Muslim is happy to sacrifice his life.  He gains great reward in Paradise as well as honour.  We see so many who've died under the hands of occupiers, tyrants and barbarians.  They fought in defence, but they also fought to uphold truth, liberty, justice and their religion.  Many are honoured as a Shaheed, but only Allah knows their true intentions.  Allah willing, they are in Paradise.

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Bismillah
Al-jawab billahi at-taufeeq (the answer with Allah's guidance)

A,1) There are two categories of Shaheed (Martyr);

a) Considered a Shaheed in this world as well as in the hereafter, which is known as Shaheed Haqeeqi.

b) Considered a Shaheed only in the hereafter and not in this world, this is known as Shaheed Hukmi.

1) Shaheed Haqeeqi (getting killed in the hands of someone else) is the -one who dies in defending his wealth, his self, his household (family) and dying in the path of Allah Ta'ala.
(Tirmidhi- Book of Blood Wit, Nisai'- Book of Battles, Abu Dawud- Book of Ettiquettes)

If a person was attacked and shot at point blank range and died instantly without benefiting from any worldly cause (medication, food, drink, etc.) then he/she will be regarded as a Shaheed in his burial proceedings. (Raddul Mukhtaar vol.2 pg.250; HM Saeed).
The instrument used to kill the person (gun, knife, etc.) does not make a difference. (Tahtaawi pg.344; Qadeemi).


2) Shaheed Hukmi (accidental death) is the one dies from natural disasters, or drowned, squashed by something, burnt. (Muatta Imam Malik), a person who dies in a plague, a woman who passes away due to child birth, a person who passes away in a motor car accident, etc. Diseases e.g- One who dies of cancer of the internal organs, a person who passes away due to an illness of the stomach, etc. Insha Allah, they'll be counted from amongst the Shaheed.

The first martyr of Islam was a woman, Sumayyah.

[3:169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

???????????
{170}
[3:170] Rejoicing in what Allah has given them out of His grace and they rejoice for the sake of those who, (being left) behind them, have not yet joined them, that they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve.


??????? ?????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????????????
{171}
[3:171] They rejoice on account of favor from Allah and (His) grace, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers.

A Shaheed is said to enter paradise without reckoning and receive rewards that are above and beyond that what the normal person would receive to the extent that the person wishes he had ten ormore lives to sacrifice for the pleasure of ALLAH.


JUST A SHORT NOTE:
In some cases, people have translate, or named, "Shaheed" as "suicide" bomber".  This is such an ugly term.  A Muslim knows that suicide is prohibited and that Allah will punish them for it; it is like murder, even though one would be killing one's self.  A Shaheed has no desire to die for the sake of escaping life.  He loves life.  A Muslim should want to continue living and never even wish he were dead because maybe his life could serve the purpose of Allah and he could continue doing good deeds.  A Shaheed decides when he goes off to fight for Allah's cause that he is not going to fear death.  His attitude is to submit to whatever Allah has chosen for him, and he will accept the outcome.  He would prefer not to die and leave his family, but at the same time he almost looks forward to the sacrifice because of the great reward he'll receive form Allah.  He knows he'll be in Paradise forever.  He doesn't even fear the pain of death because Prophet Muhammad SallalLahu Alayhi Wasallam has told the Believers that at the time a Shaheed dies, he will not feel the pain; this is the mercy of Allah.  The pain will be similar to a bee's sting.
However, in order to earn the title of Shaheed one must have the correct Niat (intention).  In Islam intention is important behind every action in the religion.  The only One who really knows the true intention of a person is Allah, for He sees their heart and knows their mind.  Thus, the reward will rest upon the intention of the person.  The Shaheed must have in his intention to risk his life only for Allah and not for anyone else.  It can't be for his own ego.  It can't be for the title of "hero".  It can't be for revenge, for Allah will truly take care of the evildoers.  It must be to serve the purpose of Allah and to uphold truth, justice, and liberty as well as to fight against all types of oppression.
Allah states in the Qur'an that "Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main,, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah:  They are the people who will achieve (salvation)"  (9:  20)
To die as a Shaheed is an honour.  Some people desire this title if they must die because of the great reward.  Other people can achieve equal reward as a Shaheed:  those who die from terminal illnesses like cancer, the woman who dies as a result of childbirth or those who are murdered.
An incentive to be a Shaheed is found in the Hadeeth that states:  "No one who enters Paradise will want to come back to the world and have anything on the earth except the 'Shaheed.'.  He will wish to return to the world and be killed ten times because of the honour he sees" (Bukhari and Muslim).
We can understand why a Muslim is happy to sacrifice his life.  He gains great reward in Paradise as well as honour.  We see so many who've died under the hands of occupiers, tyrants and barbarians.  They fought in defence, but they also fought to uphold truth, liberty, justice and their religion.  Many are honoured as a Shaheed, but only Allah knows their true intentions.  Allah willing, they are in Paradise.


Yes I understand what a martyr is. What I asked is what did these girls have waiting for them in heaven. The koran is very forthcoming on what awaits a man when he enters heaven, but I am curious what awaits a woman.
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Yes I understand what a martyr is. What I asked is what did these girls have waiting for them in heaven. The koran is very forthcoming on what awaits a man when he enters heaven, but I am curious what awaits a woman.

ALLAH treats men and woman equally with rewards, SHE GETS THE SAME IF NOT A BETTER REWARD THAN A MAN AS DESCRIBED IN THE QURAN AND HADITH. A woman martyr (SHAHEEDAH) enters paradise without reckoning, she is a queen amongst maidens, she is afforded such pleasures which the senses has never experienced, according to the will of ALLAH.

THE HIGHEST REWARD IS THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH AND TO BE IN THE COMPANY OF THE PROPHETS< THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHETS>SAINTS>PIOUS PEOPLE AND THE RIGHTEOUS and the MARTYRS>


REGARDS<

PS I WILL SEARCH THE AHADITHS FOR A BETTER DESCRIPTION FOT YOU>

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Yes I understand what a martyr is. What I asked is what did these girls have waiting for them in heaven. The koran is very forthcoming on what awaits a man when he enters heaven, but I am curious what awaits a woman.

ALLAH treats men and woman equally with rewards, SHE GETS THE SAME IF NOT A BETTER REWARD THAN A MAN AS DESCRIBED IN THE QURAN AND HADITH. A woman martyr (SHAHEEDAH) enters paradise without reckoning, she is a queen amongst maidens, she is afforded such pleasures which the senses has never experienced, according to the will of ALLAH.

THE HIGHEST REWARD IS THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH AND TO BE IN THE COMPANY OF THE PROPHETS< THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHETS>SAINTS>PIOUS PEOPLE AND THE RIGHTEOUS and the MARTYRS>


REGARDS<

PS I WILL SEARCH THE AHADITHS FOR A BETTER DESCRIPTION FOT YOU>

Yes please do search the hadith but please offer koran verses as well as they are more authorative. I wish to know exactly what women in general have been promised in heaven.
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"ALLAH treats men and woman equally with rewards, SHE GETS THE SAME IF NOT A BETTER REWARD THAN A MAN AS DESCRIBED IN THE QURAN AND HADITH. A woman martyr (SHAHEEDAH) enters paradise without reckoning, she is a queen amongst maidens, she is afforded such pleasures which the senses has never experienced, according to the will of ALLAH.
THE HIGHEST REWARD IS THE PLEASURE OF ALLAH AND TO BE IN THE COMPANY OF THE PROPHETS< THE COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHETS>SAINTS>PIOUS PEOPLE AND THE RIGHTEOUS and the MARTYRS>

REGARDS<
PS I WILL SEARCH THE AHADITHS FOR A BETTER DESCRIPTION FOT YOU>

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I would like to see the exact sources and parts from the quran or hadith that explicity outline this! I would like to have a change to analyze and validate your claims
as far as I am concerned your perply is pretty satndard and a s muslim you lie at your own conveneince, when you have no concret answer to offer to a christian or anyone that challenges you. So please if you may take the time and post your sources.

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Hi There

I would like to see the exact sources and parts from the quran or hadith that explicity outline this! I would like to have a change to analyze and validate your claims
as far as I am concerned your perply is pretty satndard and a s muslim you lie at your own conveneince, when you have no concret answer to offer to a christian or anyone that challenges you. So please if you may take the time and post your sources.

thank you

Hey MT, nice to have you dropping by. Anna Muslim like a couple others, closed his membership when he was finally required to support his false assertions and accusations, before posting more. He's the reason we had to institute forum rules in that regard.
When the name is blacked out it means they closed their own memberships. At least so far admin hasn't had to permanently ban anybody ourselves.