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RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS
on: July 14, 2010, 03:55:28 AM
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http://religionresearchinstitute.org/ramadan/roots.htm
RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS
By Dr. Rafat Amari
Ramadan has Pagan Roots in India and the Middle East
Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in India and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon's crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[1].
The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians. The Mandaeans lived in Iraq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods, or "light personalities." Their gods were classified under four categories: "first life," "second life," "third life" and "fourth life." Old gods belong to the "first life" category. They summoned deities who, in turn, created "second life" deities, and so forth
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RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS
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http://religionresearchinstitute.org/ramadan/roots.htm
RAMADAN AND ITS ROOTS
By Dr. Rafat Amari
Ramadan has Pagan Roots in India and the Middle East
Ramadan, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar and the rigid observance of thirty days of fasting during the daylight hours, has pagan roots developed in India and the Middle East. The observance of fasting to honor the moon, and ending the fast when the moon's crescent appears, was practiced with the rituals of the Eastern worshippers of the moon. Both Ibn al-Nadim and the Shahrastani tell us about al-Jandrikinieh, an Indian sect which began to fast when the moon disappeared and ended the fast with a great feast when the crescent reappeared[1].
The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians. The Mandaeans lived in Iraq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they worshipped multiple gods, or "light personalities." Their gods were classified under four categories: "first life," "second life," "third life" and "fourth life." Old gods belong to the "first life" category. They summoned deities who, in turn, created "second life" deities, and so forth
HERE IS THE HISTORY OF THE SABEANS without DR RAFAT AMARI PREJUDICE AND OPINIONATED EXPRESSIONS:
DR AMARI WRITES LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT!!!
Sabians practiced initiation through submersion in water,...........
Therefore, "Sabian" has been used mistakenly in many literary references for decades and though, the spelling "Sabian" usually refers to one of the People of the Book mentioned in the Qur'an, .......
....... it has also been used by the Mandaeans as an appellation adopted to appease local Muslim authorities. The variation "Sabean" has been employed in English to distinguish the ancient Harranian group, but the usage is not universal.
DR RAFAT PERHAPS DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ARAB AND A MUSLIM.
THANK YOU PETER
YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY POINTED TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE OPINIONATED< DO NOT BELIEVE THE OPINION OF HIGHLY PRAISED SCHOLARS,.....
BUT YOU TAKE THE WORD OF RAFAT AMARI OVER THE RESEARCHERS OF ISLAM WHO I CAN ASSURE HAD NO HIDDEN AGENDA> MANY HAD OPPOSITION AS THE TRUTH ALWAYS WILL!!
DR RAFATS WORK IS HIGHLY BIASED AND A VERY POORLY WRITTEN ACADEMICALLY AND FACTUALLY INACCURATE!!!
"DAILY PRAYERS
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Sabians had daily prayers with units, bowing down and prostration (Islam has adopted this practice). They prayed three times daily; before sunrise, at noon, and at the sunset. These were obligatory (Islam in the beginning had same number of daily prayers but later on the number was increased to five times daily). There were three more that were not obligatory but thought of as proper to perform: At the second hour of the day; at the ninth hour of the day; and at the third hour of the night.
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Sabians started their daily prayers by expressing their intent-resolve to pray (Islam has adopted it).
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The prayer at the funeral is without bowing down and prostration (Islam has adopted it intact).
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Ablution before the prayers was necessary in the Sabian faith (Islam has adopted it).
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Sabians had the 'call' to prayer (Islam has adopted it).
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Sabians turned towards a certain direction during their prayers: Sabians of Irak turned to the constellation of Capricorn. Sabians of our time kept this practice (Islam has adopted this practice by establishing supposedly Al-Kuds - Yerushalim - as the direction to turn to in the beginning. But the real k?bla was Bakka-Bekke-Behe).
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I have written earlier that Sabians needed canonical purification of the body before each prayer (In other words, an ablution; the general word for cleanliness-purification is called taharot in Judaism and taharat in Islam). Therefore, following a sexual union, bodily cleaning is necessary. Sabians were obliged to immerse themselves fully in the flowing water to get this bodily cleaning. Urinating, passing bowels, breaking wind, touching a woman in her period, touching a woman in the forty-day period following the childbirth, touching a foreigner, and the bleeding of the nose necessitated ablution (accept touching a foreigner Islam has adopted these conditions).
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According to the Mandaean branch of this belief system, prayers - seven times daily - were made compulsory to Adam, and this practice continued until John the Baptist (Yahya) changed it to three times daily."
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"DAILY PRAYERS
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Sabians had daily prayers with units, bowing down and prostration (Islam has adopted this practice). They prayed three times daily; before sunrise, at noon, and at the sunset. These were obligatory (Islam in the beginning had same number of daily prayers but later on the number was increased to five times daily). There were three more that were not obligatory but thought of as proper to perform: At the second hour of the day; at the ninth hour of the day; and at the third hour of the night.
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Sabians started their daily prayers by expressing their intent-resolve to pray (Islam has adopted it).
*
The prayer at the funeral is without bowing down and prostration (Islam has adopted it intact).
*
Ablution before the prayers was necessary in the Sabian faith (Islam has adopted it).
*
Sabians had the 'call' to prayer (Islam has adopted it).
*
Sabians turned towards a certain direction during their prayers: Sabians of Irak turned to the constellation of Capricorn. Sabians of our time kept this practice (Islam has adopted this practice by establishing supposedly Al-Kuds - Yerushalim - as the direction to turn to in the beginning. But the real k?bla was Bakka-Bekke-Behe).
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I have written earlier that Sabians needed canonical purification of the body before each prayer (In other words, an ablution; the general word for cleanliness-purification is called taharot in Judaism and taharat in Islam). Therefore, following a sexual union, bodily cleaning is necessary. Sabians were obliged to immerse themselves fully in the flowing water to get this bodily cleaning. Urinating, passing bowels, breaking wind, touching a woman in her period, touching a woman in the forty-day period following the childbirth, touching a foreigner, and the bleeding of the nose necessitated ablution (accept touching a foreigner Islam has adopted these conditions).
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According to the Mandaean branch of this belief system, prayers - seven times daily - were made compulsory to Adam, and this practice continued until John the Baptist (Yahya) changed it to three times daily."
I find that I am not making myself clear:
1. ALL I HAVE SEEN ON THIS WEBSITE IS YOUR DENIAL OF THE VERY TRUTH THAT YOU ARE STATING Plainly but twisting for your own purposes.
2. ALL PROPHETS PRAYED AND THE REASON SABIANS PRAYED THE WAY THEY DO COMES FROM THE PROPHETS.
IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT HUMAN BEINGS MAKE UP A RELIGION, A RELIGION IS BASED ON AND OLDER SYSTEM OF BELIEF THAT CAME FROM ALLAH .......
Quote from: AnnaMuslim on July 16, 2010, 12:10:21 PM
IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT HUMAN BEINGS MAKE UP A RELIGION, A RELIGION IS BASED ON AND OLDER SYSTEM OF BELIEF THAT CAME FROM ALLAH .......
So then next I suppose that you're going to tell us that the golden calf, was sent down by Mohammed's "Allah", the same way he sent down your black stone moon god idol?
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Quote from: AnnaMuslim on July 16, 2010, 12:10:21 PM
IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT HUMAN BEINGS MAKE UP A RELIGION, A RELIGION IS BASED ON AND OLDER SYSTEM OF BELIEF THAT CAME FROM ALLAH .......
So then next I suppose that you're going to tell us that the golden calf, was sent down by Mohammed's "Allah", the same way he sent down your black stone moon god idol?
YOU KEEP ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES: THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY ABSURD, HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY, MADE UP BY YOUR OWN IMAGINATION, READ THE BACKGROUND TO THE GOLDEN CALF!
IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT HUMAN BEINGS MAKE UP A RELIGION, A RELIGION IS BASED ON AND OLDER SYSTEM OF BELIEF THAT CAME FROM ALLAH