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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: PeteWaldo on October 26, 2015, 08:12:44 AM
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We ask of our Muslim friends: Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State are doing God's bidding or Satan's?
(slightly edited on 1-13-19 from "ruled by God")
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/the_islamic_state.htm
Photo of an Islamic State auction of a Yazidi child into sex slavery
(http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/1b990030.jpg)
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Great page. Very concise.
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It's been a couple of weeks and the only reply this thread has received so far is the sound of crickets chirping in the background. One would think Islam's apologists would have been eager to weigh in on the subject.
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Reason being, they can't answer it!
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We ask of our Muslim friends: Do you believe the Islamic scholar Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and The Islamic State, are ruled by God, or by Satan?
I was just pondering this and it occurred to me that perhaps they don't actually know the difference. Muhammed certainly had trouble discerning the divine from the diabolical. His initial experiences in the cave of Hira suggest very strongly that he was initially unsure of who or what he was dealing with. Can we really expect his followers to be any more clued up?
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We did have one poster who at least began to reply to this question in another thread:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4981.msg19134#msg19134
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Only in the sense that all things are ruled by God. If you mean are they ruled by God in the sense of: "Are they Sent by God to do His work?" there are two primary questions that need to be answered first:
1. Who is God? If Allah is 'God' the Creator of all things then the answer to your question is 'Yes'. If the God of the Bible is the Creator of all things the answer is 'No'.
2. Does the Quran represent the teaching of God? Only if Allah is 'God' the Creator of all things. However, if the God of the Bible is the Creator of all things the answer is 'No'.
If the answer to either of these questions is 'No' than we can assume that Allah may in fact be 'the god of this world' (Isaiah 14:12-14 & 2 Corinthians 4:4) , also known as Satan, the Adversary who opposes all things. Look at the actions of Abu Bakr and Islamic State. They oppose all things; they hate the Jews and all followers of the God of the Bible; they hate everything and everyone and everything that disagrees with the teachings of the false prophet Muhammad. If the concept of Religion is to be understood as a specific deity (or deities) being worshiped, served and obeyed by followers, we can see in the actions and statements of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Islamic State a clear indication of where they come from and who they obey.
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Only in the sense that all things are ruled by God. If you mean are they ruled by God in the sense of: "Are they Sent by God to do His work?" there are two primary questions that need to be answered first:
1. Who is God? If Allah is 'God' the Creator of all things then the answer to your question is 'Yes'. If the God of the Bible is the Creator of all things the answer is 'No'.
2. Does the Quran represent the teaching of God? Only if Allah is 'God' the Creator of all things. However, if the God of the Bible is the Creator of all things the answer is 'No'.
If the answer to either of these questions is 'No' than we can assume that Allah may in fact be 'the god of this world' (Isaiah 14:12-14 & 2 Corinthians 4:4) , also known as Satan, the Adversary who opposes all things. Look at the actions of Abu Bakr and Islamic State. They oppose all things; they hate the Jews and all followers of the God of the Bible; they hate everything and everyone and everything that disagrees with the teachings of the false prophet Muhammad. If the concept of Religion is to be understood as a specific deity (or deities) being worshiped, served and obeyed by followers, we can see in the actions and statements of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Islamic State a clear indication of where they come from and who they obey.
Good point. Perhaps I should retiitle "is the Islamic State doing God's Bidding?"
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This is now a moot point for Abu Bakr al-Baghdad in this life since he has gone to meet the One who truly knows the answer. Those remaining followers or terrorists who still adhere to the doctrine and methods of the Quran expressed by the Islamic State should now consider their own fate and ask themselves if they believe Mr. al-Baghdadi met with a warm welcome (maybe warm is the wrong term to use here) - whether he met with a hero's welcome or judgment and damnation would be the more appropriate question to consider.
The Holy Bible presents God as Love while the Quran claims to represent God by expressing rage, anger, and hatred toward anyone who does not agree and obey the teachings of Allah as handed down to Muhammad. But Jesus said a tree is known by its fruit. Judging by the fruit of the tree of Islam, I would not want to stand before the One True God of Creation and have the fruit of a life lived to hate, murder and destroy as my bouquet of flowers to lay at His feet as representative of what my life produced.
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This is now a moot point for Abu Bakr al-Baghdad in this life since he has gone to meet the One who truly knows the answer.
Let alone his judge:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
The very Son of God Muhammad's followers are compelled to deny, because of their faith in Muhammad alone.
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Still crickets on this thread.