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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRkBg7NNZqM&list=PLlKKrw6PFly7A70FqEtSz6x-MJsSDEyA3&index=1

I am commenting on a couple of your videos because you seem like well studied and reasonable guy that can think for himself. What I discovered is taqiyya according to Sunni Muslim theologian Abu Ha-med Mohammad ibn Mohammad al-Ghazzali, one of the most highly regarded figures in the entire history of Islamic jurisprudence who ".....has been referred to by some historians as the single most influential Muslim after the Islamic prophet Muhammad.":

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

An example of an "obligatory" "goal":  "Da'wah is recognized by the majority of scholars as being obligatory upon every Muslim."

Da'wah is proselytizing for the Islamic faith, so when it is not possible to achieve this goal by telling the truth (in an interfaith dialogue for example), Muslims are under obligation to lie while proselytizing.

I believe you don't personally believe that lying in the way of Allah is OK, but it wouldn't seem that extends you the right to accuse Muhammad's followers that do lie in the way of Allah of being wrong, when they are acting in accord with Ghazzali's exegesis of Islamic jurisprudence. Let alone accuse people like me, that take Ghazzali at his word, of being a "complete fraud".

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation

https://www.quora.com/q/wtyftkwqyizpijrf/Moderns-Greatest-Ethical-Disaster/comment/2276129

“Many people accuse Muslims, Jews and Christians for the laws (punishments) of prohibiting adultery and illegal sex. They portray the evildoers as innocents and try to condemn preventing laws of stoning and lashes because it may hurt evildoers.”

This is a false accusation in regard to “punishments” in Christianity for adultery, that would give non-Christians the wrong impression, so it should be clarified. It might be a good idea to read the Gospel before being tempted to make any further accusations against it.

GOSPEL OF JOHN

John 8:4
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Since you are advancing the punishment, do you consider yourself without sin enough to qualify you to do the stoning? What about those Muslims that do pick up stones?
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Omar Salah
Original Author · 13m ago

Leviticus 20:10,13,27 ESV:-

    “"If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

    "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

    "A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them."”

I don't know about your Christianity sect but I was talking about Christ himself. He didn't abolish the law of previous prophets and asked not to change any law.

Luke 16:18 ESV:-

    "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery"

Christianity history have punished people while the performers are sinners.

In Islam we don't perform these kind of punishments. Maybe one or two punishments during a year while preserving the killing of millions of children or destroying homes.

It's called "Proactive Preventing Law".
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I wrote “This is a false accusation in regard to “punishments” in Christianity for adultery”

I did not presume to speak for Judaism so the passage you quoted from the old covenant was not germane. I quoted an exactly germane passage from the new covenant. How does the verse you quoted from Luke defend your accusation that the Gospel calls for stoning adulterers?

Christians would not stone an adulterer because we all know we are not without sin. Let alone that the Holy Spirit within us would not let us. Even an average atheist would find stoning someone repugnant through simple empathy (which they may not realize comes from God as do all other moral “instincts” that have been ingrained in humanity).

Regarding what men choose to do of their own accord, contrary to scripture, is irrelevant and there has certainly been no shortage of historical examples, even among some that would self-describe as Christians. But I’m sure you would agree that it would be flat out wrong, to judge the Gospel according to the actions of men, rather than to righteously judge the actions of men according to the Gospel. If men’s actions are found to be contrary to the Gospel they likely aren’t Christians (unless perhaps caught in a week moment doing something they know is contrary to scripture for which they would know they need to repent).

According to more than one Muslim in this forum all person has to do is simply recite the Shahadah to become a Muslim. However a person does not become a Christian until we are born again.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Once we are born again we are filled with the Holy Spirit, that guides our thoughts and actions to discern between right and wrong and good and evil.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You see, it is Jesus Christ that guides us away from adultery, rather than the threat of violence perpetrated against us by men. Our great God can stand on his own without having to consign men to do His bidding.

I wrote “This is a false accusation in regard to “punishments” in Christianity for adultery”

I did not presume to speak for Judaism so the passage you quoted from the old covenant was not germane. I quoted an exactly germane passage from the new covenant. How does the verse you quoted from Luke defend your accusation that the Gospel calls for stoning adulterers?

Christians would not stone an adulterer because we all know we are not without sin. Let alone that the Holy Spirit within us would not let us. Even an average atheist would find stoning someone repugnant through simple empathy (which they may not realize comes from God as do all other moral “instincts” that have been ingrained in humanity).

Regarding what men choose to do of their own accord, contrary to scripture, is irrelevant and there has certainly been no shortage of historical examples, even among some that would self-describe as Christians. But I’m sure you would agree that it would be flat out wrong, to judge the Gospel according to the actions of men, rather than to righteously judge the actions of men according to the Gospel. If men’s actions are found to be contrary to the Gospel they likely aren’t Christians (unless perhaps caught in a week moment doing something they know is contrary to scripture for which they would know they need to repent).

According to more than one Muslim in this forum all person has to do is simply recite the Shahadah to become a Muslim. However a person does not become a Christian until we are born again.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Once we are born again we are filled with the Holy Spirit, that guides our thoughts and actions to discern between right and wrong and good and evil.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

You see, it is Jesus Christ that guides us away from adultery, rather than the threat of violence perpetrated against us by men. Our great God can stand on his own without having to consign men to do His bidding.

https://clarionproject.org/govt-grants-islamist-organizations/

The U.S. government under the Trump administration has handed out tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to Islamist organizations, according to research by Sam Westrop at Middle East Forum (MEF).

As MEF noted, “between 2017 and 2018, the amount of taxpayers’ money given to organizations either influenced or controlled by Islamist activists more than tripled from $4 million to $13.5 million. Under the Obama administration, the amount given to Islamist-linked organizations averaged a mere $1.7 million each year.”

Most recently, in October 2019, the government awarded the Muslim Brotherhood-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) with $100,000 in federal grant government money.

CAIR was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest-ever terror funding case in American history. The government officially ended all partnerships with the organization in 2009 because of CAIR’s connection to funding the Hamas terror group.

Yet, CAIR was recently the recipient of the $100,000 Department of Homeland Security grant as part of its DHS’s Nonprofit Security Grant Program.

In addition to monies given to CAIR, MEF found that the government  gave:

    $57,000 to the Muslim American Society (MAS). In 2008, federal prosecutors said that “MAS was founded as the overt arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in America. Last year, children from an MAS school recited poetry about the killing of Jews
    $100,000 to Dar al-Hijrah, an extremist mosque in Virginia. A 2002 Customs and Border Protection document stated that DAH is “operating as a front for Hamas operatives in U.S.” A December 2007 document said DAH “has been linked to numerous individuals linked to terrorism financing.”  Al Qaeda leader Anwar Al-Awlaki was DAH’s imam from 2001 to 2002. Al-Awlaki’s sermons were attended by two of the 9/11 hijackers and Nidal Hassan, who later shot 13 soldiers to death in a jihadi attack at Fort Hood in 2009.
    $41 million in federal grants to Islamist radicals since 2007 (not including grants given in the  last few months).

Just last week, Clarion Project reported that a new bi-partisan bill designed to protect houses of worship may inadvertently empower Islamist vigilante groups like New York’s Muslim Patrol.

https://clarionproject.org/govt-grants-islamist-organizations/