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Zionism in Modern History
« on: January 26, 2012, 02:41:38 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5VHU-LA4o

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The following content may challenge your current opinion or beliefs, but before leaving the video because something presented makes you feel uncomfortable, I would encourage you to first ask yourself if it's true.

There are two distinct, even impassioned, camps of opinion regarding Zionism, with perhaps few folks numbered as indifferent in between. The church is also split over views regarding the subject of the return of Jews to Israel.

Before delving into ancient history and legal title to the land it's important to note that by the early 1800's, Israel had, essentially, been abandoned. This began when Jerusalem suffered a physical desolation in 70AD when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and threw down Herod's Temple - every stone - just as Jesus had prophesied, and killed over a million Jews. The Romans went on to kill over a half of a million more Jews during the Bar Kochba Revolt less than 70 years later. And as if the following 500 years of continuing persecution of God's people as the Roman Empire declined wouldn't have been enough, an additional 1200 years of physical and spiritual desolation was in store, after Muhammad's followers seized Jerusalem in 639 while in the process of conquering nearly the whole known world during the Islamic First Jihad.

During that 1200 years of spiritual desolation of the Holy Land, and as if they had intended to further perfectly fulfill prophecy by completing the physical desolation as well, the harem keeping geniuses running Islam's Ottoman Empire imposed a tax on property based on the number of trees it contained. The predictable result was that folks cut their trees down to reduce their tax burden, resulting in the loss of millions of trees, and subsequent desertification. Thus the spiritual and physical desolation of Jerusalem was complete by the early 1800's - in spades - as further evidenced by a near-nonexistent population.

Please see the "Abomination of Desolation" video.

In "A History of the Jews" Paul Johnson writes on page 321:  "Between 1827 and 1839, largely through British efforts, the population of Jerusalem rose from 550 to 5,500 and in all Palestine it topped 10,000 - the real beginning of the Jewish return to the Promised Land. In 1838 Palmerston appointed the first western vice-consul in Jerusalem, W.T. Young, and told him 'to afford protection to the Jews generally'."

Even 30 years later in 1867 Mark Twain described it thus: ““There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent; not for thirty miles in either direction… One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings … Nazareth is forlorn… Jericho lies a mouldering ruin… Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation… untenanted by any living creature…  [a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse.... A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

"...of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be the prince. The hills are barren, they are dull of color...the valleys are unsightly deserts fringed with feeble vegetation that has an expression about it of being sorrowful and despondent."

While the Jews began to restore the Promised Land a couple hundred years ago, the "green movement" was kicked off more formally in 1910, with the founding of the first kibbutz on the shore of the Sea of Galilee.

About 600 years prior to the Christian era, Ezekiel prophesied regarding a desolation and restoration.

Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden;



and the waste and desolate and ruined cities [are become] fenced,



[and] are inhabited.



Jerusalem growing from a population of just 550 to over 3/4 of a million people, with the population of Israel growing from 10,000 to over 7.8 million. That tiny strip of land emerging from total desolation as the Israelis advanced as world leaders in agricultural innovation and technology. The Gush Katif greenhouses alone produced about two hundred million dollars worth of exports per year.





"...the community of Atzmona had Israel’s largest plant nursery, and with 800 cows, the Katif dairy was the second largest in the country."

If you are looking for a fairytale ending you're in for a disappointment. These industries were located on the Gaza strip, that the Israelis developed from desert wasteland, over the last half of the 20th century. Secular international powers then brokered a deal in which the Gaza strip was to be handed over to the so-called "Palestinians", in exchange for yet another empty promise of peace with the Israelis, by Muhammad's followers that are committed to destroying the "People of the Book" just as Muhammad mass murdered them, while also enslaving some, and confiscating the fruit of their labor back then as well.

The Gaza Strip's new owners, were to take over the operation and profit of the greenhouses but instead, predictably, plundered, destroyed and abandoned them. Rather than producing food and flowers for export, the "Palestinians" instead used the Gaza strip as a platform - now closer to Jerusalem - from which to launch thousands of rockets randomly into Jerusalem, as capable of hitting schools and hospitals as anything else.

The greenhouses are abandoned today, and 4,000 high tech greenhouse jobs the Jews provided for the Palestinians churning out two hundred million dollars worth of produce a year, were turned into 500 farm jobs.

"Finally, a Palestinian 'Charity' Tells The Truth" By Debbie Schlussel
"A Gaza charity headed by the interior minister of Hamas yesterday offered $1.4 million to any Arab citizen of Israel who abducts an Israeli soldier."

I wonder how many "Christians" funded that "charity" believing they were helping "Palestinians"? Is it really a stretch to believe that funds sent to aid Palestinians are fungible, funding both welfare and bombs? Who's keeps track of such funds, the interior minister of Hamas?

If you want to help the downtrodden why don't you help folks who deserve it like those suffering in Africa, through organizations like Mercy Ships, Voice of the Martyrs, and Compassion International?

And the Gaza town of Neve Dekalim today?

"Hamas turned the site into a barbed-wire enclosed terror training camp from which Qassam rockets were launched into Israel. Signs posted in Arabic state that it is a "closed military zone." Mahmoud al-Zahar, chief of Hamas said that Hamas planned to launch terror attacks that would drive Jews out of the West Bank and the entire state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif#Economy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eeGBv5JPEY

How many months, much less years, would you want your government to restrain itself, if bomb carrying rockets were dropping into your neighborhood?

".... terror only intensified when Israel completely and fully withdrew from the Gaza Strip, when it handed it in full to the Palestinians! They of course find it easy to forget that it wasn't until two years after the withdrawal, two years of continued rockets that a blockade was put up to prevent the smuggling of these rockets, of these weapons."

So rather than two hundred million dollars worth of produce, the export of "Palestinian" residents of Israel today is terrorism, as detailed in their own words through countless web sites, and videos on YouTube.

Start with a YouTube search like - Islam indoctrination of children

Besides being highly productive as an inherent part of the nature of Jews, another reason the Israelis have been able to become so innovative, productive and prosperous, as compared to their Islamic neighbors, is because they are the only democracy in the Middle East that champions the freedom and right to self-determination of its citizenry that also shares our western values. That's also why Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel than they do in any Islam controlled country on earth.

The blessing the Jews have been on all our families was prophesied.

Genesis 12:2-3 And I will make of thee [Abram] a great nation, [Israel] and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Let's compare the "People of the Book" to Muhammad's followers, in terms of Nobel Prizes, to get a little better understanding of how Jews have been a blessing on "all families of the earth".

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1.5 billion, or about 25% of the world's population.  They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics: (zero)

Physics: (zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

Chemistry:
1999 - Ahmed Hassan Zewail

TOTAL 6 (with half of them for so-called "peace" even including one awarded to the terrorist Yasar Arafat!)


The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.2% of the world's population, yet they compose 22% of all individual recipients of Nobel Prizes worldwide, between 1901 and 2009 including:

Literature: 10
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pa sternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace: 8
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics: 53
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics: 13
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Mil ton Friedman
1978 - Herb ert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine: 43
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Ed ward B. Lewis

Chemistry: 24
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2004 - Avram Hershko, Aaron Ciechanover and Irwin Rose
2006 - Roger Kornberg

TOTAL: 151

When was the last time you bought something that was made in the Middle East - except for crude oil - and even that was produced by foreign companies from democratic nations. This is because, rather than joining the rest of the world in striving to create a better life for future generations, the leaders of Muhammad's followers focus on denigrating Jews and spending their wealth on arms and armies to kill them, wipe them out to the last, and "drive them into the sea". These are true, fundamental, followers of Muhammad, and leaders of Islamic nation states and mosques, that get Islam and do what they can to do as Muhammad did.

Don't take my word for it. Do a YouTube search like - islam kill jews - to hear it in their "religious" leaders own words. Or read the Quran and Hadith for yourself, free online. Try word searches on those resources like "fight" and "jihad".

Even here at home. Do a web search - u.s. mosques jihad

Whose side are you on?

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 07:47:35 AM »
Palestinians get fat on international welfare as Africans oppressed by Muhammadans starve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxAumbCzu20

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2012, 06:19:13 AM »
Anyone who reads a few of the Jewish history notes at the following link, and sees the laws that were passed to specifically discriminate against and persecute Jews throughout the world, would have to have a screw loose not to support a land where they are in charge of their own laws and destiny. Decade after decade, century after century, the story is the same. But even in their own land, where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth, Muhammad's hordes can't leave them alone to live in peace.

http://jewishhistory.org.il/history.php?startyear=1810&endyear=1819

Following is a couple more notes for those that wish to pretend that Jews were not being restored to their land before the late 19th century.

1816 - 1909 (29 Av 5669) SAMUEL SALANT (Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem) (Eretz Israel)

The son-in-law of Joseph Salant. He arrived in Jerusalem in 1841 and proceeded to become one of the most influential figures in Eretz Israel. During his time as chief rabbi, the population of Jerusalem grew from 5000 to 30,000 Jews. Salant was behind the establishing of educational facilities which would include instruction of Arabic and Hebrew. He was one of the founders of Bikur Holim (Cholim) hospital and encouraged people to move into the "new" neighborhoods outside the old city walls.

1818 JOHN ADAMS (1735-1826) (USA)

Statesman and President. In a letter to Mordecai Manuel Noah, he wrote: "I wish your nation may be admitted to all the privileges of citizens in every country of the world." Regarding the re-establishment of a Jewish state, he wrote in the same year: "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation."

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 11:19:54 PM »
My reply to this extensive posting: SO WHAT?

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 02:36:44 AM »
My reply to this extensive posting: SO WHAT?

A few points that were raised in the above posts

1. Many people years before Zionism had formed saw in the Bible a re-establishment of the Jewish nation

2. Zionism was not the grand conspiracy theory brain child of one man or even a group of men but rather the response of many to the conditions of the earth and their own understanding of scripture. And Israel's establishment was predicted to the year.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 03:32:44 AM »
My reply to this extensive posting: SO WHAT?

The "what" is your lie that the restoration of God's people to their land did not begin with Theodor Herzl, any more than the history of Israel began in 1880 as you wish that it did. So if you are going to demonize someone you are going to have to start guys like Samuel Salant and the Israeli Jewish immigrants of the early 19th century that returned to, and began to rebuild, their covenant land after 1200 years of Islamic destruction and desolation.

Which of course makes it all the more obvious that the only person you are demonizing is God, for not wanting to have His Holy name profaned by folks saying "Look at them, God's people can't even live in their own land, what kind of God is that?!". You are an anti-Semitic bigot that offers no solution other than Muslims should be allowed to blow themselves up in market places or on school buses in Israel with impunity, and rain rockets down randomly at will. Yet you would be crying like a baby, if thousands of rockets had been dropping into your neighborhood, and your government did nothing about it, as the Israelis did for 2 years. What if you had to wonder if your kids were going to be killed on a school bus every day?

It's no different than if New York city was under attack by well armed skinheads and Nazis (that you choose to run with) toward genocide of Jews, and some Israeli was sitting in Israel thousands of miles away, whining that all the Jews in New York should either move out, or simply roll over and tolerate being marched to the ovens, by an enemy who is in fact vowed to kill all Jews and drive them into the sea as Israel's enemies are. You're no Jew Dave.

Quit posting non-substantive dithering, regarding the same subject, that we are discussing on multiple threads elsewhere.

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 04:28:10 AM »
My reply to this extensive posting: SO WHAT?

A few points that were raised in the above posts

1. Many people years before Zionism had formed saw in the Bible a re-establishment of the Jewish nation

Throughout the Christian era, in guys like Matthew Henry, John Adams, and through bible prophecy.
Faithful Jews have prayed for Aliyah for over 2500 years. Then in the 19th century JewISH heretics like Reform Jews came along who dropped the prayers for Aliyah. Same century as many of the false prophets and cults in the church began.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Reinventing Judaism through "enlightened" Jews from places like America and the United Kingdom - like the men that David puts in authority over him:
"Following Jewish Enlightenment however, Reform Judaism dropped many traditional beliefs, including aliyah, as incompatible with modern life within the Diaspora."
Forerunner of Jewish anti-Zionism.
What is the result on those so "enlightened"? Things like that which resistingrex queried of here, and a focus on the kind of prayer that is on Dave's heart, that he wanted to share with us instead of prayers for Aliyah - that he prays 3 times a day.
"To the informers and heretics let there be no hope, and all sectarians in a moment shall be eliminated....."

Can we make some observations about the relationship between the first two images that follow?
The caption under this first image reads:
"Neturei Karta call for dismantling of the state of Israel at AIPAC conference in Washington, DC, May 2005"
How about it Dave? Did we discover the identity of your little cult?
Or was it influenced by "Isaac Breuer, Hillel Zeitlin, Aaron Shmuel Tamares, Hayyim, Elazar Shapiro (Muncatz), and Joel Teitelbaum, all waged ideological religious, as well as political, battles with Zionism each in their own way."
Seems the buffoonery of the American with the sign suggests the history of Israel began in 1948!



So we have Jews in Washington, DC, calling for dismantling of the government of 4/5 of the Israeli population, and apparently begging calling for Israeli Jews, to be ruled over by a 1/5 minority the rulers of which have vowed to kill all the Jews? There can be no question that Islam will always be ruled by the most murderous and reprobate element over the "peaceful" apostates. Hamas is who the Muslim majority selected to run Gaza. Internationally recognized terrorists and gangster thugs:
"A Gaza charity headed by the interior minister of Hamas yesterday offered $1.4 million to any Arab citizen of Israel who abducts an Israeli soldier."
Who would these guys with the signs have rule Israel besides Hamas? The anti-Semitic U.N.?



Isn't it simply awful to suggest that 4/5 of a country's population should also be the ones running its Democracy! Those numbers will only increase as Jews seek refuge from anti-Semitism that is on the rise in Europe, and even places as far away as China, let alone the global conquest of the Islamic Second Jihad.

The buffoonery of marching around with signs that effectively say "which way to camp?"



"Which way to the ovens?"



Do you really think if the guy in the video at this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8dhrzQCHY was running Israel (same kind of cleric puppeteers as in all Islamic nation-states) he would let some Jews walk around town with stars on their chests, simply because they were willing to sell out other Jews as you do Dave?

2. Zionism was not the grand conspiracy theory brain child of one man or even a group of men but rather the response of many to the conditions of the earth and their own understanding of scripture. And Israel's establishment was predicted to the year.

A mathematical miracle that Dave refused to see, the odds of which being a mathematical and textual accident, is virtually a statistical impossibility.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3194.msg13498#msg13498

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Re: Zionism in Modern History
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 07:22:13 AM »
Interesting site. Please go there rather than spend time reading the following excerpts.

The Palestinians in Israel Natives or Aliens?
http://www.balesitan.com/palestine-info/the-palestinians-in-israel-natives-or-aliens

Unknown to most of the world population, the origin of the “Palestinian” Arabs’ claim to the Holy Land spans a period of a meager 30 years – a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of years of the region’s rich history.

Before the beginning of the 20th century, there were practically no Muslim Arabs in the Holy Land.  In 1695 there was not a single Muslim Arab in Gaza, Nazareth, and Um-El-Phachem. All Arabs there were Christians. By contrast, the Jews, despite 2000 years of persecution and forced conversions by various conquerors, have throughout most of history been the majority population in the Holy Land. In Jerusalem Jews were always the largest demographic group [1][2], except for periods when conquerors specifically threw them out and prevented them from returning.

When General Allenby, the commander of the British military forces, conquered Palestine in 1917/1918, only a few thousand Muslim Arabs resided in the Holy Land. Most of the Arabs were Christians, and most of the Muslims in the area either came from Turkey under the Ottoman Empire, or were the descendants of Jews and Christians who were forcefully converted to Islam by the Muslim conquerors. These Muslims were not of Arab origin. Most references to Arabs in Palestine before 1917 refer to the Christian Arabs, not to the Muslims.

It is important to note that estimates and censuses conducted by the Muslim conquerors were biased. Therefore, the only reliable data is provided by non-Muslim sources. Tourists and politicians, Arabs and non-Arabs alike, have documented their observations of the population in the Holy Land beginning more that a thousand years ago.

Let’s start at the early days and continue into the Ottoman period:

    The historian James Parkes wrote: “During the first century after the Arab conquest [670-740 CE], the caliph and governors of Syria and the Holy Land ruled entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the Bedouin in the earliest days, the only Arabs west of the Jordan were the garrisons.”[3]

    In year 985 the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained: “the mosque is empty of worshipers… The Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem’s population” (The entire city of Jerusalem had only one mosque?). [4]

    In 1377, Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, wrote: “Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years… It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement”.[5]

    In 1695-1696, the Dutch scholar and cartographer, Adriaan Reland (Hadriani Relandi) , wrote reports about visits to the Holy Land. (There are those who claim that he did not personally visit the Holy land but collected reports from other visitors.) He was fluent in Hebrew and Arabic. He documented visits to many locations. He writes:  The names of settlements were mostly Hebrew, some Greek, and some Latin-Roman. No settlement had an original Muslim-Arab name with a historical root in its location. Most of the land was empty, desolate, and the inhabitants few in number and mostly concentrated in Jerusalem, Acco, Tzfat, Jaffa, Tiberius and Gaza. Most of the inhabitants were Jews and the rest Christians. There were few Muslims, mostly nomad Bedouins. The Arabs were predominantly Christians with a tiny minority of Muslims. In Jerusalem there were approximately 5000 people, mostly Jews and some Christians. In Nazareth there were approximately 700 people – all Christians. In Gaza there were approximately 550 people – half of them Jews and half Christians. Um-El-Phachem was a village of 10 families – all Christians. The only exception was Nablus with 120 Muslims from the Natsha family and approximately 70 Shomronites.[6]

    In 1835 Alphonse de Lamartine wrote: “Outside the city of Jerusalem, we saw no living object, heard no living sound. . .a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, in the highways, in the country.”[7]

    In 1844, William Thackeray writes about the road from Jaffa to Jerusalem: “Now the district is quite deserted, and you ride among what seem to be so many petrified waterfalls. We saw no animals moving among the stony brakes; scarcely even a dozen little birds in the whole course of the ride.”[8]

    In 1857, the British consul in Palestine, James Finn, reported: “The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population.”[9]

    In 1866, W.M. Thomson writes: “How melancholy is this utter desolation. Not a house, not a trace of inhabitants, not even shepherds, to relieve the dull monotony …  Much of the country through which we have been rambling for a week appears never to have been inhabited, or even cultivated; and there are other parts, you say, still more barren.”[10]

    In 1867, Mark Twain – Samuel Clemens, the famous author of “Huckleberry Finn” and “Tom Sawyer”, toured the Holy Land. This is how he described the land: “There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent; not for thirty miles in either direction… One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings … Nazareth is forlorn… Jericho lies a mouldering ruin… Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation… untenanted by any living creature…  A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”[11]

    In 1874, Reverend Samuel Manning wrote: “But where were the inhabitants? This fertile plain, which might support an immense population, is almost a solitude…. Day by day we were to learn afresh the lesson now forced upon us, that the denunciations of ancient prophecy have been fulfilled to the very letter — “the land is left void and desolate and without inhabitants.” (Jeremiah, ch.44 v.22)[12]

    In 1892, B. W. Johnson writes: “In the portion of the plain between Mount Carmel and Jaffa one sees but rarely a village or other sights of human life… A ride of half an hour more brought us to the ruins of the ancient city of Cæsarea, once a city of two hundred thousand inhabitants, and the Roman capital of Palestine, but now entirely deserted… I laid upon my couch at night, to listen to the moaning of the waves and to think of the desolation around us.”[13]

    In 1913, a British report, by the Palestinian Royal Commission, quotes an account of the conditions on the coastal plain along the Mediterranean Sea: “The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the [Jewish] Yabna village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.”

As we can see, throughout history, as documented by Arab historians and by foreign observers before 1917, the land was desolate; there were practically no Muslim Arabs in the cities outside of Jerusalem (except 120 Muslims in Nablus); and the number of Muslim Arabs (other than Ottoman Muslims or Christian Arabs) was minuscule, most of them nomadic Bedouins.  In 1695 there was not a single Muslim Arab in Gaza, Nazareth, and Um-El-Phachem. All Arabs there were Christians. The difference between these multiple authentic accounts and the falsified Muslim-Arab propaganda is huge, almost beyond imagination.

Neville Chamberlain, in a speech given at the Alexandra Theatre, Birmingham, 13 Oct. 1918, said: “A great responsibility will rest upon the Zionists, who before long will be proceeding with joy in their hearts to the ancient seat of their people. Theirs will be the task to build up a new prosperity and a new civilization in old Palestine, so long neglected and misruled. They will carry with them the hearty goodwill of the British nation and its earnest hope that in their own country they may prove worthy of their past and of the great opportunity that has been given to them.”

When the Holy Land was taken from the Ottomans by the British, it was no longer under Muslim control. The Quran commands Muslims to take land away from non-Muslims, including land which they have never trodden on before[14].  Following the British conquest of the Holy land, the Muslim Arabs embarked on a massive immigration into the Holy Land, fulfilling their religious obligation to capture as much foreign land as possible.
The following accounts describe the massive Arab immigration after 1918:

    In 1930/31, Lewis French, the British Director of Development wrote about the Arabs in Palestine: “We found it inhabited by fellahin (Arab farmers) who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria… Large areas were uncultivated… The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin’s lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the bedouin (Arab nomads).”

    The British Hope-Simpson Commission recommended, in 1930, “Prevention of illicit immigration” to stop the illegal Arab immigration from neighboring Arab countries.[15]

    The British Governor of the Sinai (1922-36) reported in the Palestine Royal Commission Report: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria.”

    The governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey El Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Houran had moved to Palestine.

    British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Holy Land, noted in 1939 that “far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.”

The Arab population in the Holy Land increased only because of their massive immigration from neighboring Arab countries. Before 1918, when the Arab immigration started, only a minuscule number of Muslim Arabs lived in the Holy Land, practically all of them in Jerusalem. This is why it is so difficult to find an old-age Muslim-Arab whose grandparents were born in the Holy Land.



The Muslim-Arab population and growth in Jerusalem[2] before and after 1918. The break point between the two straight lines shows the exact point in time when the massive Arab immigration into the Holy Land started.
While the Holy Land was ruled by the Muslim Ottomans, despite large waves of Jewish Zionist immigration, there were practically no conflicts between the Jews and the few local Arabs. Jews and local Arabs lived peacefully together. This peaceful co-existence ended after 1918, when the large waves of foreign Muslim-Arab immigration started, following the British conquest. Up until 1948 the British restricted Jewish immigration and encouraged Muslim-Arab immigration. It is the landless foreign Muslim-Arabs who immigrated after 1918 that started the conflict, NOT the zionistic Jewish immigration between 1881-1914, which was a peaceful period. For example, in 1929, the Hebron Massacre of the local Jews was done by foreign Arabs, not by the established local families who lived there and even tried to defend the Jews.

The Quran explicitly encourages lying and deception if it helps Muslims achieve a desired goal [16][17][18][19]. To deny the massive invasion of the Holy Land by foreign Muslims, the falsified Muslim-Arab propaganda claims that it is a myth. If it is indeed a myth, how can anyone explain the following simple observations?

    The grandparents of the author’s wife were born in the Holy Land in the 19th century. They saw with their own eyes how empty the land was at the time. They also lived through and experienced first-hand the British conquest and the Arab’s massive invasion of the land that started in 1918. This invasion lasted for only 30 years, and ended in 1948 with the evacuation of the British from the land and the declaration of the state of Israel.

    The family names of many Arabs who now occupy the Holy Land reveal their country of origin:  Masri (from Egypt ),  Iraqi (from Iraq), Tarabulsi (from Tarabulus-Tripoli in Lebanon), Hourani (from Houran in Syria), Husseini (from Jordan), and Saudi (from Saudi Arabia).

    Following the publication of an earlier version of this article, the author received an email message from a reader who used to work with Arabs in Gaza and in various villages in the West Bank in the 1970′s. In his email the reader describes friendly discussions about family history with his Arab co-workers. Most of the co-workers had grandfathers who immigrated to the Holy Land from neighboring countries.

When Churchill said that “the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population.” was he lying? Churchill was not a Muslim…

The name “Palestina” is a Latin-Roman name based on the Hebrew Biblical name of the ancient “Philistines” — “Plishtim” in Hebrew. The translation of this name to English is: “invaders”. The Philistines arrived from the Mediterranean islands near Greece and invaded the land about 4000 years ago . The Philistines are extinct since approximately 2000 years ago, and have no ancestral or historical relationship to Arabs. Before 1917, during the 400-years rule of the Ottoman empire, the Ottomans did not call the Holy Land  “Palestina”. The British decided to renew this ancient name and called the land “Palestine”. The local Arabs never called themselves “Palestinians”, not even during the British mandate. Both Arab and British leaders referred to them only as “Arabs”. For example: The Hope-Simpson report[15] published by the British in 1930, contains the phrase “the number of Palestinian unemployed, whether Arab, Jew or other…”. “Palestinian” was used only as an adjective in reference to the location and also included Jews.  The Arab inhabitants were always referred to as “Arabs”. The word “palestinians” does not appear anywhere in this report. “Palestinian Arabs”, “Palestinian Jews”, and “Palestinian Christians” were common terms. But, “Palestinians”, as a noun, before 1948, was not yet invented.

After 30 years of invasion, following the end of the British mandate and the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948, the Arabs recognized the fact that they invaded foreign land and invented for themselves a name in English — “Palestinians”. If the British were to call the land “New England”, and the local Arabs were to call themselves “English” would they automatically become English? It is important to emphasize that the concept of a “Palestinian” to describe the local Arab residents was invented by the Arabs AFTER the declaration of the state of Israel. This group of Arabs, who started calling themselves “the Palestinian nation” after 1948, does not have an original name in their native Arabic language.

Is there any nation in the world which does not have a name in its original native language? The Arabs who invaded the Holy Land do not have a name in their native Arabic language because they are not, and have never been, a unified group or a nation. Most of those Arabs cannot even pronounce the word “Palestinian”. They pronounce it “Falestinian”.

Historically, a “Falestinian” people never existed. The fact is that the Arabs, who now try to call themselves by the English name “Palestinians” and mis-pronounce it “Falestinians”, don’t even know what their name is in Arabic. Even Arab leaders and historians have admitted that a “Palestinian” people never existed. For example:

    In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission: “There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us.”

    In 1946, Princeton’s Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry: “It’s common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history.“

    In March 1977, Zahir Muhsein, an executive member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), said in an interview to the Dutch newspaper Trouw: “The ‘Palestinian people’ does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel.”

    Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist, writes: “The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. Palestine has never existed as an autonomous entity.“

    Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist acknowledged the lie he was fighting for:  “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? … we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians. They removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag.”

    The Syrian dictator Hafez Assad said: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity“.

    Dr. Azmi Bishara, a notable leader of the Arabs in Israel, who fought against the Israeli “occupation”, said in a TV interview[20]: “There is no Palestinian nation. It’s a colonial invention. When were there any Palestinians?” To see a clip of the interview click here.

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The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries, predominantly from areas now known as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. None of these countries existed as nations prior to 1913. They were nothing but a disorganized collection of tribes, constantly terrorizing each other, trying to seize land from their neighbors. Unfortunately, those Arab invaders, imported into the Holy Land their age-old “culture” of terrorizing neighbors to seize land. Many of them were social outcasts and criminals who could not find jobs in their own countries so they searched for their luck elsewhere. Some of them were accepted by the British regime as a source of cheap labor and were allowed to settle on unoccupied Jewish land. Even Yassir Arafat, the leader of the PLO, is not a native of the Holy Land. He called himself a “Palestinian refugee” but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian dialect. He was born in 1929 in Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956. He then moved to Saudi-Arabia and founded the Al-Fatah terror organization, the precursor to the PLO, in Kuwait in 1958, together with his Saudi-Arabian friends. How exactly does that constitute a “Palestinian refugee”?  Being born in 1929 in Cairo, he cannot even be considered a son of Palestinian refugees (there were no refugees in 1929). Arafat must have been a good student of Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim religion, who said in the Quran: “War is deception”.[16]

In their propaganda, the Arabs who now call themselves “Palestinians” consistently demand that Israel and the world recognize their “pre-1948″ rights. That’s about 60 years ago. Mysteriously, they are never willing to add another 60 years to their “historical” claims on the Holy Land. They know very well that doing so will send them back to where they came from – Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. Years ago, during negotiations with the, so-called, “Palestinians”, a Israeli negotiator proposed to revise a mention of their claim of “pre-1948″ rights and replace it with “pre-1917″. The “Palestinians” vehemently opposed. Now we know why.

If there is anyone who still believes that a “Palestinian” nation ever existed before the end of the British mandate and the founding of the state of Israel, would they please be kind enough to answer when was it founded and by whom? What was its name in Arabic (not in Latin-English)? What was its form of government? What were its borders? Name one top “Palestinian” leader before Arafat? Which country ever recognized its existence and when? In which library or museum can we find any of its literature, coins, or historical artifacts? The answer to all these questions is “nil”. As stated by Zahir Muhsein: “The ‘Palestinian’ people does not exist.”

Some Arabs consider themselves the descendants of Abraham, the forefather of the Jewish nation. Ironically, if not for Muhammad’s study of the Bible, the Arabs would not have known of the existence of Abraham. Muhammad invented the Muslim religion in the 7th century AD, in Saudi Arabia. He studied the Bible in order to be better equipped in his attempts to persuade the Jews to follow his newly invented religion. When the Jews refused, he dictated the stories of the Quran (the Muslim bible) to his students, and filled it with his own imaginary accounts of Biblical events. (Muhammad himself did not know how to read or write.) He even took the liberty to change the God-given day of rest, Saturday – the Sabbath. Since Sunday was already taken by the Christians, he picked Friday as the next-best Muslim day of rest.

Muhammad never visited Jerusalem and the Holy Land, and did not consider them important enough to mention their name in the Quran even once. By comparison, Mecca and Medina, the only two Muslim holy cities, are mentioned in the Quran hundreds of times. Even though the name of the Holy Land is not mentioned in the Quran, the Quran refers to the Holy Land many times as the land of the children of Israel.[21] [22] [23][24].

The Jewish Holy Temple stood on Temple Mount long before the Muslim religion, or any other current world religion was conceived. Even when the founders of the Christian religion walked around in the streets of ancient Jerusalem there were no mosques nor churches there – only the Jewish Holy Temple and nothing else. The land of the Jewish Holy Temple in Jerusalem was purchased by King David, for the Jewish people, approximately 850 years BCE. The deed, the name of the previous owner, and the purchase price were recorded in the Bible (See Samuel-B Ch. 24 and Chronicles-A Ch. 21-22).

Today the Muslim “Palestinians” claim to own Temple Mount, the site of the Jewish Holy Temple in Jerusalem. They claim it is “their” holy site. Does anyone in the rest of the world know which way the Muslims in Jerusalem face when they pray? When the Muslims in Jerusalem pray in their mosques, even in the “Al Aktza” mosque built on the edge of Temple Mount, they actually stand with their back turned to Temple Mount. And, when they bow down in their prayers they show their behind to the site of the Holy Temple. How consistent is that with considering it a Muslim holy site?

Muslims pray at the temple mount facing Al-Aqsa and Mecca, for some reason their back are facing to the Dome of the Rock, which according to the Muslims from their Muhammad ascend to haven.

The Dome of Rock - Jerusalem

The Muslims have long ago recognized that the Holy Temple is a Jewish holy site. Its name in Arabic is “Al Quds” – “The Holiness” in English,  which is an abbreviation for “The House of Holiness” – The Jewish Holy Temple. The fact is that Jerusalem is not important enough to the Muslims to be mentioned even once in the Quran, while Mecca and Medina, the only two Muslim holy cities, are mentioned hundreds of times. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, up until 1967, they never considered it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
Can any Muslim in the world produce any credible evidence for their connection to this holy site, other than in Muhammad’s dream? Believe it or not, the one and only source for the Muslims’ claim to Jerusalem and the site of the Holy Temple, is a mention in the Quran of a dream that Muhammad had about an unknown “far distant place of worship (mosque)”[25]. This “far distant place of worship” could not have been in Jerusalem, because in Muhammad’s time there was no worship taking place at the site of the Holy Temple and there was not even a single mosque in Jerusalem. The first mosque in Jerusalem was built 83 years after Muhammad died.  Perhaps this “far distant place of worship” is the site of the Vatican in Italy?
The best reference for understanding the Muslim-Arab mentality and politically-motivated falsification of history is Muhammad’s own advice to his followers: “War is deception”[16][17][18][19].
The real problem facing those Arabs today is not the lack of a homeland. The historical root-cause of their problem and frustration is the fact that the countries they came from have not agreed to accept them back in. This is why so many of them live, up until today, in refugee camps, in neighboring Arab countries, lacking fundamental civil rights. In their frustration they feel that the only hope and choice they have is to try and steal a country. Many of the vehicles and the agricultural equipment in the Palestinian Authority have been stolen from their Israeli neighbors. For a while, Israel suffered the highest rate of automobile thefts in the world! Most of these stolen vehicles were later found in towns and villages of the Palestinian Authority. If invading foreign land is so easy; if stealing vehicles is so easy; why not try and steal a country too?
There is only one possible solution to the “Palestinians” desire for a homeland. It is the only solution that will satisfy their claim of the right to return to their homeland. Since helping them return to where they lived for less than 30 years is their own definition of justice, then helping them return to where they lived earlier for hundreds or thousands of years is, by the same definition, a better justice. Let’s all help them get the better justice they deserve. Let’s help them return to where they came from – Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.

Recent proposals have suggested a two-state solution to the Israeli-Arab conflict – one for the Jews and one for the Arabs. The map below shows that a much more generous solution already exists  -  21 states  -  one for the Jews and twenty for the Arabs.

The Quran contains more than 100 verses commanding Muslims to fight a war against non-Muslims[26]. Some verses command Muslims to chop off heads and fingers and terrorize and kill non-Muslims[27].  Other verses command Muslims to take land away from non-Muslims[14].  Muslims are also prohibited from living in peace with non-Muslims on non-Muslim land[28]. Anyone who avoids fighting against non-Muslims is punished.  Because of such religious commandments, there is no chance and no hope that Muslims will ever live peacefully together with non-Muslims who live on non-Muslim land. Temporary periods of calm are nothing but a waiting period – waiting in ambush – waiting for an opportunity to strike[29].

During the rise of Islam, Muhammad tried to convert the Jews of Medina to Islam. When they refused, he murdered them. The Muslims who conquered northern Africa during the 7th and 8th centuries, did the same. Only those who converted to Islam, or managed to hide, survived. Jews who refused to convert were massacred. In Morocco, in the 8th century, whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris ibn Abdullah. Even as late as the 19th century, In Morocco, more than 300,000 Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880 – their only offense being their refusal to convert to Islam.

History proves that a population exchange is the only possible solution, other than war, to conflicts between Muslims and non-Muslims.  For example, in 1923, the war between Turkey and Greece ended only when both sides agreed to a population exchange of more than two million Muslims and Greek-Orthodox Christians.  Similarly, in 1947, more than 14 million Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs, have exchanged locations in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.

More than 800,000 Jews have relocated out of the Arab countries; about 600,000 moved to Israel and 200,000 moved to other countries. Now it is time to end the conflict between Jews and Muslims in Israel. The only possible peaceful solution is to complete the second half of this Jewish-Muslim population exchange by returning the Muslims in the Holy Land back to the Muslim countries where they came from. As we can see in the map above, there is no shortage of space in the Arab-Muslim countries.

Auther: Harry Mandelbaum

Source: The Arabs in the Holy Land – Natives or Aliens

Remarks:

1.    According to the Prussian consul, the population in Jerusalem in 1845 was 7,120 Jews, 5,000 Muslims, 3,390 Christians, 800 Turkish soldiers and 100 Europeans. “Jerusalem: Illustrated History Atlas”, Martin Gilbert, Macmillan Publishing, New York, 1978
2.    Focus on Jerusalem Prophecy Ministry, by Darrell G. Young.
    http://focusonjerusalem.com/jerusalempopchart.html
3.    James Parkes, “Whose Land? A History of the Peoples of Palestine”(Harmondsworth, Great Britain: 1970), p.66.
4.    Muqaddasi, quoted by Erich Kahler who cites this statement from Knowlege of Crimes, p.167, in The Jews Among the Nations (New York: F. Ungar, 1967), p. 144.
5.    Ibn Khaldun, quoted by Yahya Armajami, Middle East Past and Present (Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1970), p. 143.
6.    Hadriani Relandi, “Palaestina ex monumentis veteribus illustrate” written in Latin, Published in 1714, Utrecht, ex libraria Guilielmi Broedelet (Trajecti Batavorum)
7.    Alphonse de Lamartine, “Recollections of the East”, Vol. 1 (London 1845) p.268
8.    William Thackeray, “From Jaffa To Jerusalem” (1844)
9.    James Finn, British Foreign Office Documents 78/1294, Pol. No. 36
10.    W.M. Thomson, “The Land and the Book” (London: T. Nelsons & Sons, 1866); and “Southern Palestine and Jerusalem” (1882).
11.    Mark Twain, “The Innocents Abroad” (American Pub. Co., 1869)
12.    Reverend Samuel Manning, “Those Holy Fields” (London, 1874), pp.14-17
13.    B. W. Johnson, “Young Folks in Bible Lands”: Chapter IV, (1892)
14.    “And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and to a land which you have not yet trodden.” (Quran 33:27). “See they not that we gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders?” (Quran 13:41).
15.    The Hope-Simpson report, (London 1930)
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Hope_Simpson.html
16.    “Muhammad said: ‘… for war is deception.’ ” (Tabari 8:23) . “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’ ‘”(Sahih Bukhari:4.268). “When the Prophet (peace be upon him) intended to go on an expedition, he always pretended to be going somewhere else, and he would say: War is deception.”. (Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 2631 Narrated by Ka’b ibn Malik). “war is deception” (Ahmad, 6.459).
    http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
17.    http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml
18.    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
19.    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU
20.    Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, “What the Qur’an Really Says”
    http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html
22.    Quran, 17:104 : “And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: Dwell securely in the Promised Land.”
23.    Quran, 5:20-21: “Moses said to his people … O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you.”
24.    Quran, 10:93 : “We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place, and provided for them sustenance of the best.”
25.    Quran, 17:01 : “Glorified be He who carried his servant by night from the inviolable place of worship (mosque in Mecca) to the far distant place of worship (far distant mosque).” See also:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra_and_Mi%27raj
26.    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
27.    “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” (Quran 8:12). “Fight those who do not believe in Allah… nor acknowledge the religion of Truth.” (Quran 9:29). “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies of Allah.” (Quran 8.60). “Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you” (Quran 9:123). “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah” (Quran 8.39). “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Quran 2:216). “… slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush” (Quran 9:5). “Go forth, light-armed and heavy armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah” (Quran 9:41). “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.” (Bukhari 52:256). “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” (Muslim 1:33). “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” (Bukhari 8:387). “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” (Tabari 7:97). “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” (Ibn Ishaq, 992).
28.    “what is the matter with you, that, when you are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, you cling heavily to the earth? … Unless you go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” (Quran 9:38-39). “Those of the believers who sit still, other than those who are disabled, are not on an equality with those who strive in the way of Allah with their wealth and lives.” (Quran, 4:95). “whoever turns back (from the war against the non-believers), He will punish him with a painful punishment.” (Quran, 48:17).
29.    “and lie in wait for them in every ambush” (Quran 9:5

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 12:00:01 PM »
This is totally unimportant. No one invited a massive influx of Zionist colonists into the Holy Land at the expense of the people already living there. And as far as identity is concerned, where did AMERICANS come from? Where did the Afrikaaners come from? Where did Canadians come from? The point is not where people come from but how they treat each other.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2012, 12:45:12 PM »
This is totally unimportant. No one invited a massive influx of Zionist colonists into the Holy Land at the expense of the people already living there. And as far as identity is concerned, where did AMERICANS come from? Where did the Afrikaaners come from? Where did Canadians come from? The point is not where people come from but how they treat each other.

Dave2, does it not even bother you to make such a point when you consider the fact that much of the land that currently makes up Israel was privately bought. Does it not seem hypocritical to make such a point when Jewish citizens are constantly under threat of death by Palestinian militants and no Jew or Christian has freedom in Muslim controlled countries and yet these rights are extended to them in Israel?
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2012, 02:19:39 PM »
The point is not where people come from but how they treat each other.

Indeed. So do you share these sentiments Dave?
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2012, 04:09:09 PM »
Seems only one kind of language you understand, and that is sending your non-replies to spam.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3240.msg13769#msg13769
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