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Ahmed Deedat - a great deceiver and antichrist
« on: February 18, 2009, 09:02:38 AM »
"The question addressed to Mr. Deedat, 'Through your knowledge of the Moslim faith, can you vouch for the fact that Mohammed was not antichrist?'"

A more complete discussion at brotherjw's videos here:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0

So was Mohammed antichrist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc

[edit add 10-13-14] Expanded version and complete exegesis of the Deedat video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLnEZ4nUhoU

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Re: Ahmed Deedat - a great deceiver and antichrist
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 04:58:34 PM »
In a video Deedat was asked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A

"The question addressed to Mr. Deedat, 'Through your knowledge of the Moslim faith, can you vouch for the fact that Mohammed was not antichrist?'"

Deedat made up a false bible verse to claim that Mohammed was not antichrist.
He repeated his phony homemade bible verse in this different venue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2E

Mr Deedat quoted 1John 4:1 almost perfectly out of the King James Version of God's Word:
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Then Deedat said "...it continues..." but then made up his own phony non-existent verse and recited:
"The spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of God."

There are only 3 verses that use Deedat's phrase "...that Jesus is the Christ...".
Following is one of them that also happens to be a test of persons rather than a test of spirits:

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

What we can see is that it not only comes from John's First Epistle that Deedat claimed proved Mohammed was not antichrist, but it actually identifies not only Mohammed, but Deedat and all Muslims, as antichrists, because the belief that God has no Son is the most important fundamental in Islam. This proves the EXACT OPPOSITE of Deedat's false claim through his home made bible verse. Proving Mohammed not just another false prophet, but EXACTLY OPPOSITE Jesus Christ - antichrist.

The full text of the First Epistle of John, from the same King James Version Deedat quoted from, can be accessed at this link http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=273.0
The only 2 other verses that use the phrase "that Jesus is the Christ" are:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=%22that+Jesus+is+the+Christ%22&t=KJV

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

From the same author, those really support Mohammed as a true prophet don't they?! Ya right!

There are only 4 verses in scripture that use the term "antichrist", quoted and discussed here:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=624.0

The only verse anything like the one that Deedat quoted is:

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And just as it says it is a test of SPIRITS. The spirit within, or giving utterance through the person must be asked, not the person themself. If this were a test of PERSONS, it's easy to see that a Satanist could honestly confess that verse. So according to Deedat's foolish nonsense that satanist would be a true prophet.

The terms "spirit" and "prophet" are never interchangeable, or synonymous, in scripture, as Deedat preposterously suggested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKMMr4lZx2E

Strong's definitions:

the spirits
New Testament Greek Definition:
4151 pneuma {pnyoo'-mah}
from 4154; TDNT - 6:332,876; n n
AV - Spirit 111, Holy Ghost 89, Spirit (of God) 13,
Spirit (of the Lord) 5, (My) Spirit 3, Spirit (of truth) 3,
Spirit (of Christ) 2, human (spirit) 49, (evil) spirit 47,
spirit (general) 26, spirit 8, (Jesus' own) spirit 6,
(Jesus' own) ghost 2
, misc 21; 385

prophet
New Testament Greek Definition:
4396 prophetes {prof-ay'-tace}
from a compound of 4253 and 5346; TDNT - 6:781,952; n m
AV - prophet 149; 149

We can see by the word counts in the definitions above that:
The Greek word "pneuma", translated as "spirit", is NEVER translated as prophet.
The Greek word "prophetes", translated as "prophet", is NEVER also translated as spirit.

Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the 1st century and the language that the New Testament was written in.

It's 1400 years too late to try the spirits that caused Mohammed to writhe on the ground and foam at the mouth.
It's 1400 years too late to try what Mohammed correctly believed to be jinn that met him in that deep dark cave.
Mohammed was convinced it was a demon until his wife convinced him otherwise, and she wasn't even witness to his feeling squeezed nearly to death by the demon three times.
That's what is so important about having all of the witnesses in God's Word.

2Cr 13:1 This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

And what is the opinion of a lone woman (in this case Mohammed's wife) worth in Islam anyway? Jack squat.

"...if the two be not men, then one man and two women, such witnesses as you approve of, that if one of the two women errs the other will remind her..." (Sura al-Baqara 2:282)

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#women

By Deedat's preposterous test if you asked a Satanist if Jesus is the Christ and he said yes, which would be truthful for him to say, then that would make him a true prophet.
What if you asked a liar the same question and he answered yes? Would that make him a true prophet?
What about someone suffering under the delusion of a demon like the one Mohammed met in the cave? He could say Jesus is the Christ and then spew whatever it was that Satan directed him to (like Mohammed did). However, if the spirit was tried it could not make that confession. That's the whole point of the test.
The whole notion of a test as Deedat suggested is transparently ridiculous.