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PeteWaldo

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rebuttals to a few answering anti-Islam videos
« on: January 26, 2020, 08:58:59 AM »
https://youtu.be/353S6vFyngI?list=PLlKKrw6PFly7A70FqEtSz6x-MJsSDEyA3

I agree regarding your take on suicide to a certain extent (since Muslims even travel to foreign nations to engage in jihad in the hopes of being "martyred" in battle), but how can you suggest that terrorism is not Islamic?

Surah 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them 

Bukhari, V1 B52, #220 Allah's Apostle said, ".....I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)....."

Surah 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods.....

How can you deny that followers of Muhammad are called to conquer the world, as prescribed in the Quran and Hadith, and as displayed in the 150 years of Islamic imperialistic conquest of the Islamic First Jihad all the way up into France and Austria?

Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in..... the Qur'an.....

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle..... then they save their lives and property from me.....

Surah 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land.....

Ishaq:204/ Tabari VI:134 "'Men of the Khazraj, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man.' 'Yes,' they answered. 'In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging ourselves to wage war against all mankind.'"

The historical record of Imperialistic conquest cannot be denied throughout Islam's 1400 year history. Particularly the imperialistic conquest of the first 150 years of Islamic Jihad and today during this Second Islamic Jihad. Islam's books are why Muhammad's true followers are not becoming "radicalized" as some suggest, but rather becoming more like Muhammad and his fundamental, orthodox, followers as detailed in Islam's books.

https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y

How do you eplain the fact that Dr. Abdul Fatah Idris, the head of Al-Azhar University, the largest, most prestigious and most highly regarded Islamic school in the world, states specifically that "fighting the infidels and breaking their spine through all possible means - are permissible according to Sharia."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HXj0hVUKyo

So were you honestly just not aware of all this, or are you engaging in taqiyyah?

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Re: rebuttal to answering anti-Islam
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2020, 09:47:29 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRkBg7NNZqM&list=PLlKKrw6PFly7A70FqEtSz6x-MJsSDEyA3&index=1

I am commenting on a couple of your videos because you seem like well studied and reasonable guy that can think for himself. What I discovered is taqiyya according to Sunni Muslim theologian Abu Ha-med Mohammad ibn Mohammad al-Ghazzali, one of the most highly regarded figures in the entire history of Islamic jurisprudence who ".....has been referred to by some historians as the single most influential Muslim after the Islamic prophet Muhammad.":

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

An example of an "obligatory" "goal":  "Da'wah is recognized by the majority of scholars as being obligatory upon every Muslim."

Da'wah is proselytizing for the Islamic faith, so when it is not possible to achieve this goal by telling the truth (in an interfaith dialogue for example), Muslims are under obligation to lie while proselytizing.

I believe you don't personally believe that lying in the way of Allah is OK, but it wouldn't seem that extends you the right to accuse Muhammad's followers that do lie in the way of Allah of being wrong, when they are acting in accord with Ghazzali's exegesis of Islamic jurisprudence. Let alone accuse people like me, that take Ghazzali at his word, of being a "complete fraud".

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/global_war_against_truth.htm#dissimulation

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Re: rebuttal to answering anti-Islam
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2020, 10:54:01 AM »
https://youtu.be/gBvbivzQciQ?list=PLlKKrw6PFly7A70FqEtSz6x-MJsSDEyA3

It's easy for people in the west to claim whatever they want to about Islam no matter how contrary to the Quran, Muhammad's example, and 1400 years of Islamic history, because westerners enjoy our God-given right to free speech. It's a very different story for those in the Middle East cradle of Islam, since Islam is the very antithesis of our God-given rights to freedom, liberty and self-determination.

Surah 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

Allah's Apostle said, ".....I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)....." Bukhari, V1 B52, #220
 
Surah 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods…..”

Here's a popular Egyptian TV Imam on the subject https://youtu.be/viOfDdkonu8

Which also explains Hitler and the Mufti https://youtu.be/8sk3fKY9PhY

 http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm