This is an extension of the chat in the "copy and pasted chats with Muslims" section which degenerated in typical fashion to repetitive blah, blah, blah. If you have an interest I recommend you go there first.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1071.0
Though I posted this, I highly recommend not reading it as friendofutube2009's unregenerate nature finally resulted in the fully degenerate and reprobate exhibition of the manifestation of the spirit of antichrist.
When copy and pasting from YouTube comments, random question marks wind up scattered in. I'm not going to bother to try to scrub them out in this thread because it's simply not worth it.
BeholderGuard (2 days ago)
Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
That question has already been answered from Wikipedia AND your own Bible, which (according to your belief) came at least 1900 years before Muhammad.
Now answer my Bible challenge by making a video with you drinking deadly poison and picking up snakes and casting out devils and healing the sick with your touch.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
Since you failed to answer, let me help. The obvious answer is a resounding YES! You bow toward and circumambulate the same black stone that the pagan moon worshipers circumambulated, before Mohammed!
Mohammedanism is nothing more than paganism repackaged by an illiterate 7th century narcissistic megalomaniac. Mecca DID NOT EVEN EXIST before the 4th century AD when the pagans migrated there and set up their Kaaba shop. In other words, what Muslims refer to as the "era of ignorance" never ended - for poor, suffering, deluded Mohammedans, such as yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
PaulineWaldo": "Do Muslims today bow..."
Do Christians today, bow toward and worship the same cross that the Roman pagan god Mithra worshipers worshiped, before Jesus?
Comparison? Cross invented by pagans rehashed by Christians. Kaabah? sent by God to Abraham as marker for pristine monotheism, hijacked by pagan for worship, re-claimed by Muhammed (pbuh) & restored as prayer qibla. Are Muslims pagans? No sireee! Are Muslims worshiping Kaaba? No sireee!
Can't grasp it? Rolex Co. made Rolex watch for Pres. Lincoln. He used it for noble presidential schedule purposes. Mafia stole it & used it for criminal scheduling purposes. Then Pres. Obama reclaimed watch. Is Obama Mafia criminal? No sireee! Got it?
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
"Do Christians today, bow toward and worship the same cross that the Roman pagan god Mithra worshipers worshiped, before Jesus?"
No. Saying Christians bow before the symbol of the cross on top of their churches, is like saying Muslims bow before the moon on top of their pagan places of moon god worship. There are many crosses on thousands of churches, just like there are many moons on top of thousands of mosques.
Now your turn. Do Muslims today, bow toward and circumambulate the same black stone that the pagan moon god worshipers circumambulated, before Mohammed? Simple YES or NO please.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
The ridiculous thing is that anyone would even imagine, that Abraham would throw out all of the idols of his father, BUT for some reason KEEP ONE IDOL for kissing and circumambulating, the way Mohammed kept the pagan's moon god idol for his followers to bow toward and circumambulate, as Mohammedans do unto today.
MrGriegos (1 day ago)
Greetings in Christ to you Pete,
I noticed BeholderGuards "kind" Islamic response to you on MBI3030's channel where he curses at you. What this tells me is that he has lost his sense of perception, especially since the discussions are on interfaith dialogues.
I have noticed that your comments are direct but they do not include harsh words. This tells me that you are here for the right reasons, and BeholderGuard should show you more respect but he is unable to because Islam does not teach respect to non-Muslims.
Keep up the good work brother Pete.
In Christ, God bless.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
For onlookers, friendofutube2009 is one of those Mohammedan censoring cowards who feels at liberty to post on others channels, but when the truth is posted "pending approval" on his own channel, or even the simple question I ask below, he censors it.
The same reason bibles are banned in Muslim countries. The spirit of antichrist removes a love of truth, and replaces it with a love of lies, because they follow the father of lies, Satan, through his prophet Mohammed.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
"I noticed BeholderGuards "kind" Islamic response to you on MBI3030's channel where he curses at you."
And don't forget friendofutube2009's generous use of the f word. This not only demonstrates their unregenerate nature, but more importantly, how engaging in the mantra of the vain repetitions of the heathen 5 times a day, has so broken their minds, that they have failed to mature past adolescence.
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
PaulineWaldo: You have an outstanding multi-page Inbox message to answer which I sent to you days ago but no reply up to now. Since you continue your lie campaign, I have to chase you even in your own turf.
You accuse me of censor. But my page is like my home. I open my door only to good people. Nobody can blame me for refusing entry to filthy people as nobody can blame you if you opt to.
Answer the multi-page Inbox message which has been waiting for you if you are not a COWARD in the county.
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
Yes. 100% of Christians worship Jesus crucified on the cross. In fact, Christian salvation is believing that Jesus died on the cross for their sins. Without cross, no salvation!
Now your turn. Do Christians today, bow toward and worship the same rehashed triune god (Father, Begotten Son, Holy Spirit) that the Roman pagan triune god (Osiris, Isis, and Horus) worshipers worshiped, before Jesus?
BeholderGuard (1 day ago)
Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
Do Christians worship a CROSS while the Bible CLEARLY says not to make one?
Do Christians make carved images when the Bible CLEARLY says not to?
Do Christians avoid the Bible-Challenge when the Bible clearly says that believers will have the power to perform these miraculous signs?
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
"Now your turn."
That's false. I answered your question, but you didn't answer mine.
Do Muslims today, bow toward and circumambulate the same black stone that the pagan moon god worshipers circumambulated, before Mohammed? Simple YES or NO will do fine.
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
"Answer the multi-page Inbox message which has been waiting for you if you are not a COWARD in the county."
Of course your lie is easily exposed since I already spent a day answering your questions and posting them in the forum so that other Muslims, genuinely seeking truth, could benefit from our exchange.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1043.0
I guaranteed that our chat would remain just between you and I, on the dedicated threads. 7 of the top 9 volume posters in the forum are MUSLIMS. It is YOU that is the COWARD for running from the accountability of the public eye and the light of day, like a vampire shrinks from the sun.
Otherwise why wouldn't you put your big boy pants on and post in there?
PeteWaldo
np33123 (23 hours ago)
PaganWaldo you try to mock ISLAM but you mocked your self very BAD ! Jews are worshiping a Wall and Christians are bowing to the PAGAN symbol the Cross and they try to mock with MUSLIMS to blame them in Paganism . The lie says to the TRUTH you are lie . PaganWaldo better to HIDE your self and never show up again !
np33123 (21 hours ago)
PaganWaldo tell me who did the miracle to protect Makkah/Mecca from the Elephant army of the Kafir Abrahah Al-Ashram ? Hubal , Satan , Jesus Christ or You ? Why Makkah /Mecca was protected but not Jerusalem of so many destruction which happened there in Jerusalem ? Is Makkah/Mecca more important ? It seems YES !
ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR
IslamicTerd (21 hours ago)
Fiendofutube2009 and np33121 are StuPIG BLIND PEDOPHILE TERRORIST worshiping Pagan Pig and yes same as all Pagan Pig mUZlim they block truth speaker and continue top spread there Pagan mohamidan shit everywere
friendofutube2009 (7 hours ago)
IslamicTerd: Been wondering why is your head tilting a little bit? I asked experts and they say IT is caused by sucking big and long possibly 2-feet cock of horses in the filthy ghettos of NY!
I like to opine otherwise but I think with your bad breath coming from your stinking mouth full of venereal germs remnant of your dick sucking, I cannot help but agree...
Satan is tired waiting for you in Hell! Chow, Christian weirdo!
friendofutube2009 (7 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: "Of course your lie is easily exposed "
In our 1st meeting 3 weeks ago, you said: "I just spent the better part of an hour in reply, but hit an errant button on my keyboard and lost my work...Rather than reconstructing my reply, suffice it to say that all of the subjects you brought up are covered in great detail in the forum. ".
MY REPLY: Well, if it is really true that you spent an hour composing your reply (which I doubt), then I am not in a hurry to have it. You can do in one, two, three days, even weeks...I do not like a forum or the Youtube comment because they are too cramped for me... Moreover, I write profusely...
Who are you to dictate what I should or should not do? Accountability? Well, reply to the multi-page message & we'll post it RIGHT HERE! Deal?
friendofutube2009 (7 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: Your answered WRONGLY my question. You said Most Christians do not worship the cross which is NOT true because your salvation hangs on the cross. NO CROSS, NO SALVATION.
Your question is sinisterly composed with hidden bombshell & cannot be answered with simple Y/N. First, it has logical fallacy called undistributed middle. Ex: All Roman pagans worship cross (Muslims bow down to black stone), all Christians worship cross (pagan bow down to blacks stone), therefore all Christians are pagan (therefore Muslims are pagans). Can you answer this with simple Y/N? Did you see my point?
Now, try again. Do Christians today, bow toward and worship the same rehashed triune god (Father, Begotten Son, Holy Spirit) that the Roman pagan triune god (Osiris, Isis, and Horus) worshipers worshiped, before Jesus?
PeteWaldo (4 hours ago)
np the others were too cowardly to answer. Being an imam, maybe you can answer for them.
Do Muslims today, bow toward and circumambulate the same Kaaba and black stone that the pagan moon god worshipers circumambulated, before Mohammed? Simple YES or NO will do fine.
PeteWaldo (4 hours ago)
"Why Makkah /Mecca was protected but not Jerusalem of so many destruction which happened there in Jerusalem?"
Mecca wasn't protected any more than terrorist suicide bombers and other Mohammedan murderers are today. Mohammed learned early on what an effective tool of persuasion murder is.
Regarding the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, it was destroyed because it was the beginning of the Christian era. Jesus even prophesied it's destruction in perfect detail just as it happened.
Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
PeteWaldo (4 hours ago)
When I pointed out friendofutube's censoring a simple question on his channel he really said it all here.
"You accuse me of censor. But my page is like my home. I open my door only to good people."
Yet he comes here and blaspheme's God, and His name, and those in heaven with impunity. Satan has so filled him with the lying spirit of antidhrist, that it is impossible for him to see his own selfishness. This is because Satan convinces him that he is full of righteousness, when even his adolescent swearing and the fully degenerate post below clearly prove otherwise.
friendofutube, possesses what is called a reprobate mind. Satan has taken away his ability to discern the difference between right and wrong - good and evil. All can see he is nothing more than a tool of Satan. The amazing part is that he can't see it himself, even as he composes such fully degenerate comments.
friendofutube2009 (4 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: Why are you insisting on this "Do Muslims bow..." question? If you are logical enough, you have the answer in you! If you think Muslims are pagans, then you are worse: your religion is a rehashed paganism. Triune god, Easter, Sunday, Dec 25, redemption, atonement, god incarnating, name it you have it all. NEVER TAUGHT BY JESUS! You are just a Roman pagan walking in Christian cloak!
YOu cannot refute me so you digress on censorship & character assassination. I was forced to come here because you did NOT answer my multi-page message. See my page, I approved your post. You are now welcome to post in my page.
friendofutube2009 (4 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: Blasphemy? Jesus said GOD is ONE (Shema). You said THREE! Who's is blaspheming? If antichrist means anti triune god, Easter, Sunday, Dec 25, etc then by all means I am! Jesus is with me: he teaches ONE GOD, salvation by prayer and fasting, no pork, etc.
PeteWaldo has a pagan mind. He cannot discern between the teachings of Jesus (good) and Paul (evil). The latter destroyed Jesus pristine monotheism teaching. He saw Satan in his vision to Damascus and is thumb sucked by PeteWaldo! PeteWaldo is just Satan's tool!
PeteWaldo (2 hours ago)
"YOu cannot refute me so you digress on censorship & character assassination."
You assassinated your own character, as all can see.
"I was forced to come here because you did NOT answer my multi-page message."
All can see how foolish you are. You request a multi-page PM to be answered here in 500 character bits, when I already spent a day answering it in great detail, for all to see, in 3 separate threads, in the forum.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=32.0
friendofutube2009 (1 hour ago)
PaulineWaldo: You are far, far away from the real stuff - our discussion on dogma like Trinity, Is Jesus God, etc. Now, you are just engaged in character assassination. You wasted your time even on my response to IslamicTerd. I thought you are up to your caliber with the mentality of a mature polemic. Now, I know that you are just a teenage boy thumb sucking a feeding bottle and your pagan belief.
You cannot even get my point in your Do-Muslims-bow mumbling which I answered with Do-Christians-bow appropriate response.
Satan appeared to Paul in the road to Damascus and destroyed the pristine teaching of Jesus. Muhammed (pbuh) saved Jesus teaching like ONE God, prayer and fasting, etc from Satan. Now you are thumb sucking Satan's teaching of Trinity, Crucifixion, Begotten Son of God. No wonder Jesus will tell you: I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME, YOU MEN OF TORAH DESTROYER!
friendofutube2009 (1 hour ago)
PaulineWaldo: Your calling me foolish, degenerate, adolescent, etc is character assassination far, far from the topic that we are discussing. All along I have on track in our discussion of Is Jesus God, Trinity, etc but you cannot face me on this. You are just stuck on Do-Muslims-bow mumbling which has now become like a broken record and a cliche. You are just making a fool of yourself. Do not be a coward and answer the following:
PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
It is not an accusation of mine, but you that demonstrated your degenerate, adolescent, foolish character through your language and, I quote one example of your Satanically inspired comments
"Been wondering why is your head tilting a little bit? I asked experts and they say IT is caused by sucking big and long possibly 2-feet cock of horses in the filthy ghettos of NY!"
I am not called to witness to willful degenerates, and here's why.
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
PeteWaldo (3 hours ago)
For my Christian friends, we really have to feel sorry for these poor folks in light of what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you had just learned, that there was not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Also today I uploaded a free PDF tract that sumarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
http://www.petewaldo.com/m20.pdf
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
PaulineWaldo 1of2: Your logic is amazing! Lack of evidence DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN there wasn't something! Before 2003, no evidence that Sedna exist. But Michael Brown proved it in 14Nov2003. Does it mean in 1850 Sedna did NOT exist?
(1) Historical - Christian historians book, NIL. Why Blot out & Destroy Islam! Muslim historians, FULL. Credible historians, Edward Gibbons: "The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era: " - Edward Gibbon (Introduction by Christopher Dawson), Gibbon's Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, Volume V, Everyman's Library, London, pp. 223-224.
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
To all visitors: the second part of my response PaulineWaldo 2of2 cannot be posted here. I tried it several times but is either blocked or deleted. Please proceed to my channel to see it.
np33123 (1 day ago)
SatanicWaldo you did not give the right ANSWERS to my QUESTIONS ! Why ?
PeteWaldo (9 hours ago)
I already answered your questions np
"Why Makkah /Mecca was protected but not Jerusalem of so many destruction which happened there in Jerusalem?"
Mecca wasn't protected by God any more than terrorist suicide bombers and other Mohammedan murderers are today. Mohammed learned early on what an effective tool of persuasion murder is.
Regarding the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, it was destroyed because it was the beginning of the Christian era - one path to God - Jesus Christ. Jesus even prophesied it's destruction in perfect detail just as it happened.
Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
PeteWaldo (9 hours ago)
Incidentally, if you are talking about Mecca being protected from ANYTHING, any time before the 4th century AD, it is just another Mohammedan fable, because Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD and the Kaaba did not exist until it was built in the early 5th century, after the black stone was brought
PeteWaldo (9 hours ago)
To my Christian friends, isn't that funny? The only historical or archaeological evidence Muslims bring, to show that Mecca was the center of Islam for the 1500 years before Mohammed, is a single 18th century author's misunderstanding of an early writer, who actually wrote about one of the many Kaabas in Arabia - that one being a temple close to Ilat in the Aqaba gulf area belonging to a tribe called Batmizomaneis. Even Mohammed's own tribe the Quraish went on pilgrimage twice a year, demonstrating the insignificance of the Kaaba in Mecca.
Please view the links in this video "more info" section for much more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
PeteWaldo (8 hours ago)
Here are the Arabian deities and worship that Gibbons describes in that same passage
".... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination...."
Isn't that hilarious? Muslims only "proof" regards pilgrimage to worship the Arabian Star Worship family!
That's why Gibbons says "The genuine antiquity of Caaba..." instead of THE Caaba. Because there were lots of Kaabas and lots of black meteorites. Every time one would be discovered, they built a temple to their moon god around it, and worshiped their Star Family.
The moon god rock Muslims bow toward and circumambulate today, is just one, of the very same ones, that the pagans circumambulated before Mohammed, throughout Arabia.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1084.0
PeteWaldo (7 hours ago)
"Ibn Abbas, the cousin of Mohammed, and one of the reporters of the tradition of Mohammed, called Hadith, speaks of two pilgrimages of the Quraish tribe. One of the journeys was to the city of Taif.[1]
At Taif there was also a temple called Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun. This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca. All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah. The Kaabah of Taif was identical to the Kaabah of Mecca, and it had the same religious functions."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
PeteWaldo (7 hours ago)
Here's some really funny stuff that was alluded to in these comments by the Mohammedans.
Here Mohammed is supposed to be directly quoting the Jews.
"Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary..."
Isn't that hilarious? The term "Christ" means "Messiah" or "the annointed one".
So if, as Mohammed quoted them, the Jews had recognized Jesus as their Messiah, why would they then kill Him?
Isn't that ridiculous?!
friendofutube2009 (21 hours ago)
Lack of evidence DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN there wasn't something! The New World has been existing without evidence before Europeans discovered it.
Other evidences for Meccas existence: Archaeological - Today, Christian archeologists proved from the Bible that Mecca does exist. Google "the search for the real mt sinai" and see video. Biblical - Desert of Paran is Mecca (Gen21:19-22) where Abraham sent Hagar & Ishmael. Paran is south of Sinai (Deut33:2). Google "The teaching of Paul is so clear, that we could locate Mt. Sinai".
Paul confirms Mecca in Gal4:25. Need explanation?
friendofutube2009 (21 hours ago)
I cited Gibbons to prove that Mecca exists regardless of what is there. The pagans are NOT worshipping the black stone but 360 idols. The stone is sent by God to Abraham as marker for worship of ONE God & not object of worship but qibla, hijacked by pagans & re-claimed by Muhammed (pbuh).
Youre a manipulator! Gibbon says: "The genuine antiquity of Caaba ascends beyond the Christian era". Had he meant many Caabas, he would say ASCEND and NOT ASCENDS! I do NOT rely on any Christian historians to prove my case nor do you rely on Muslim ones for yours!
Do NOT be a coward: (1) Prove TRINITY (2) Do the ARSENIC ACID TEST (3) Explain wall-worship and Bin Pantera
friendofutube2009 (20 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: "Isn't that hilarious?"
The keyword is IN BOAST! If Oswald would say "I killed John Kennedy" the effect is lame. But if he say "I killed PRESIDENT John Kennedy" the effect is devastating! Does he believe in the President? Not necessarily, else why did he kill him!?
Similarly, if they say "We killed Jesus" nobody would care to listen. At that time, there were many Jesus too like the BarJesus. Compare this to "We killed CHRIST Jesus the son of Mary.." which has the maximum effect.
Now go back to dogma. Prove Trinity is not pagan and taught by Jesus and OT prophets. Do the ACID TEST. Explain wall worship and Bin Pantera.
PeteWaldo (20 minutes ago)
"The stone was considered the main shrine, or sacred element, in each temple, called Kaabah in Arabic. This revered stone, which represented the moon, was considered to be divine. The worship of the Arabian Star Family with Allah, who was the moon as its head, revolved around the black stone. Ellat, Allahs wife, was the sun, and al-'Uzza and Manat, his daughters, represented two planets."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Our Muslim friends should recognize those names from
Surah 53:18-22 "For truly did he see, the signs of his Lord, the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third [goddess] Manat?
In other words Mohammed kept the moon god allah, and the black stone idol that represented him, and threw the rest of allah's family out.
PeteWaldo (14 hours ago)
"The stone was considered the main shrine, or sacred element, in each temple, called Kaabah in Arabic. This revered stone, which represented the moon, was considered to be divine. The worship of the Arabian Star Family with Allah, who was the moon as its head, revolved around the? black stone. Ellat, Allahs wife, was the sun, and al-'Uzza and Manat, his daughters, represented two planets."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Our Muslim friends should recognize those names from
Surah 53:18-20 "For truly did he see, the signs of his Lord, the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third [goddess] Manat?
In other words Mohammed kept the moon god allah, and the black stone idol that represented him, and threw the rest of allah's family out.
np33123 (3 hours ago)
SatanicWaldo you made me LAUGH again and again with your non sense PAGAN explanations about things which you Christians and Jews have not any KNOWLEDGE ! Do you know Satanic Kafir if your American and Jewish army attack Mekkah/Mecca with your modern technology and just hit there with your satanic boms what will happen to whole world ? Kafir there is the HEART of THE EARTH the WHOLE EARTH will be destroyed ! Mecca is CHOSEN by the CREATOR who is the CREATOR Jesus or ALLAH ? ALLAHU AKBAR .
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
"...who is the CREATOR Jesus or ALLAH?"
We can be fully confident that is wasn't the moon god stone idol allah, that Muslims bow to and circumambulate like the pagans before Mohammed did, and for 1400 years after.
John 1:1 In the beginning was? the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
To my Christian friends, isn't that funny? The only historical or archaeological evidence Muslims bring, to show that Mecca was the center of Islam for the 1500 years before Mohammed, is a single 18th century author's misunderstanding of an early writer, who actually wrote about one of the many Kaabas in Arabia - that one being a temple close to Ilat in the Aqaba gulf area belonging to a tribe called Batmizomaneis. Even Mohammed's own tribe the Quraish went on pilgrimage twice a year, demonstrating the insignificance of the Kaaba in Mecca.
Please view the links in this video "more info" section for much more.
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE?
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
"Ibn Abbas, the cousin of Mohammed, and one of the reporters of the tradition of Mohammed, called Hadith, speaks of two pilgrimages of the Quraish tribe. One of the journeys was to the city of Taif.[1]
At Taif there was also a temple called? Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun. This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca. All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah. The Kaabah of Taif was identical? to the Kaabah of Mecca, and it had the same religious functions."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
PeteWaldo (23 hours ago)
Here are the Arabian deities and worship that Gibbons describes in that same passage
".... of blind mythology of barbarians - of the local deities, of the stars, the air, and the earth, of their sex or titles, their attributes or subordination...."
There were lots of Kaabas for Arabian Star Family worship and lots of black stones representing their moon god "allah".
The moon god rock Muslims bow toward and circumambulate today, is just one, of the very same ones, that the pagans circumambulated before Mohammed, and in the case of this one, for 1400 years after.
To understand Gibbons careless geographical error, it is explored in great detail here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1121.0
friendofutube2009 (6 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: You did NOT refute archaeological and Biblical evidence that Mecca exist. WHY? Here are other proofs from your Bible. Paran is Mecca (Gen 21:21). Jacob on his way to Padan aram saw a vision & built next morning pillar of stone which he called Beth El meaning House of the Lord (Gen 28:18-19). Similar to Beit Allah (House of God). In Gen 35:4, 14-15, Jacob was ordered by God years later to go to Bethel El and remove idols or strange gods. Sound similar to Muhammed (pbuh) removing 360 idols in Beit Allah? Another pillar and stone was built by Jacob & father-in-law Laban (Gen 31:45-49).
friendofutube2009 (6 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: Forget about Gibbons for argument sake. But refute the archaeological and Biblical evidence that I provided which is staring at your face right now. Which is more important to you? Gibbons or your Bible?
And for God's sake, do not monopolize this exchange! Be brave enough to prove that the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit is not pagan and taught by Jesus & OT prophets, do the Biblical test in Mark 16:17, explain worshiping of wall and the Roman soldier.
friendofutube2009 (46 minutes ago)
John 1:1 is NOT from the lips of Jesus. There is even a sinister pagan mistranslation of the Greek original M/S. The 1st mention of the word "GOD" is HOTHEOS (God, capital G) correctly translated as "God" but mistranslated as "god" (small g) in 2Cor4:4 since it refers to Satan. The 2nd occurence of "GOD" is TONTHEOS or "god" (small g) but wrongly translated as "God" (capital G) to support deification of Jesus. Even your Bible LIES as your are doing with Islam - LIES!
In other words, Jesus in John 1:1 is NOT God and cannot even create a fly by his saying: "I can of mine own self do nothing" - John 5:30
PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)
By the way, np, that Mohammedanism is nothing more than repackaged pagan moon god worship, is also evidenced by the crescent moons on the tops of your temples, crescent moons on Muslim flags, fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky, and even your declaration below that gives it away.
While the favorite scream of Mohammedan suicide murderers, and also uttered by you, ALLAHU AKBAR, as you and I well know, means "Allah is the greatEST". That is Mohammed's declaration, as well as centuries of moon god worshippers belief, that the moon god was the most powerful of all of the pagan gods.
PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)
"The stone was considered the main shrine, or sacred element, in each temple, called Kaabah in Arabic. This revered stone, which represented the moon, was considered to be divine. The worship of the Arabian Star Family with Allah, who was the moon as its head, revolved around the black stone. Ellat, Allahs wife, was the sun, and al-'Uzza and Manat, his daughters, represented two planets."
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Our Muslim friends should recognize those names from
Surah 53:18-20 "For truly did he see, the signs of his Lord, the greatest! Have ye seen Lat, and Uzza, and another, the third [goddess] Manat?
In other words Mohammed kept the moon god allah, and the black stone idol that represented him, and threw the rest of allah's family out.
PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)
For my Christian friends, we really have to feel sorry for these poor folks in light of what what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you had just learned, that there was not a shred of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Also I uploaded a free PDF tract that summarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
http://www.petewaldo.com/m20.pdf
waqaralisial (3 hours ago)
As-Salaam Alaikum Ramatullhi wa-Baraktuhu (Peace, Mercy and Blessing of Allah Subhan-o-Tallah be upon you).
Dear Brother Are you a Crazy?
You said that i offered no historical or geographical information that attests that Mecca, or the Kaaba, existed before the 4th century AD.
Brother, I think you need to see a psychiatrist! Plz Do it, Today. Let them help you figure out what is the problem with you!
'Cause thou never read my last mail carefully. I already gave you both historical and geographical information and i also quote from Bible too. But you're still saying? that Mecca, or the Kaaba, wasn't existed before the 4th century AD.I think thou are a Crazy, and you never need any historical nor geographical information But I'm sure that you need to see a good psychiatrist! And i'm certain that you'll delete my posts. Read my first mail again and you'll find all answers of your stupid questions.
Fi-Amanillah
May Allah Give you Hidayyah. Ameen
friendofutube2009 (2 hours ago)
PaulineWaldo: In a court of law, if you cannot refute the evidence provided then the case is CLOSED: I WON! You NEVER EVER refuted the evidence that I provided that Mecca existed as found in your Bible! Mecca as found in your Bible is south of Mt Sinai and today's Christian archaeologists have established beyond any shadow of doubt that Mt. Sinai is north of Mecca. PERIOD! So stop YOUR LIES!
But you still cling to Gibbons as your evidence! Assuming that Gibbons is wrong, you have to refute the most reliable evidence that you have: your Bible and Christian archaeologists! Which has more weight to you and whom do you believe Gibbons or your Bible? Look visitors, PaganWaldo, DOES NOT TRUST HIS BIBLE! He is blaspheming against his Lord.
I leave it to you to decide for yourself based on the evidence provided.
friendofutube2009 (2 hours ago)
To all visitors: The case on Mecca is closed. Mecca existed before 4th century as found in the Bible and confirmed today by Christian archaeologists. See my previous posts for the details. Now PaganWaldo, let us go back to business and STOP escaping from the following:
(1) Prove that the Trinity is NOT pagan and taught by Jesus and other OT prophets
(2) Prove your belief is SOLID by making a video of yourself drinking 1 glass of ARSENIC ACID (Mark 16:17)
(3) Explain the wall worship
(4) Explain Roman soldier Pantera
PeteWaldo (1 hour ago)
"'Cause thou never read my last mail carefully. I already gave you both historical and geographical information and i also quote from Bible too. But you're still saying that Mecca, or the Kaaba, wasn't existed before the 4th century AD."
Calling people names isn't going to magically create some instant history of Mecca. Throughout your comments you only relied on false presumptions from scripture. Why is there no HISTORICAL or ARCHAEOLOGICAL record of Mecca ever having existed before the 4th century AD?
If Mecca had been the center of Islam for 1500 years before Mohammed, it would be as historically referenced, and as choked with ancient artifacts as Jerusalem. The reason there ARE NONE, is because Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD. Please read the links that are attached to the video. Please come to the forum where we have some room to comment. If you are too afraid to come to the forum to defend your case, then who might be presumed crazy?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php
PeteWaldo (40 minutes ago)
...the black stone, which was the main element of worship in all Kaabahs of Arabia, was brought [to Mecca] from another area most probable Yemen toward the end of the 5th century A.D.
Asad Abu Karb was the True Builder of Kaabah in the Beginning of the 5th century A.D.
It is said that prior to the construction of the Kaabah, a tent existed on the spot where it was built.[ii][2] The tribe of Khuzaa'h came from Yemen around the 2nd century A.D. In the 4th century A.D., they moved toward the area where Mecca was eventually built. Since they didnt find a temple there in which to worship, they pitched their tent in a field.
PeteWaldo (16 seconds ago)
I? see from your channel that you don't receive channel comments, yet you still feel at liberty to post on others channels. That's almost as bad as cowards like friendofutube2009 who censor comments from their channels, thereby displaying a sociopathic and reprobate nature, manifest in zero consideration whatsoever for the time another person spent composing a comment. He's still too cowardly to join the forum, even though I spent a day answering a very lengthy 3 page PM.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=32.0
Blessedly hundreds of people - some genuinely seeking truth - have had the benefit of reading his comments and my responses to them.
PeteWaldo (5 seconds ago)
I also see you are one of Ahmed Deedat's poor deluded victims. I can help you overcome that. I will send you a video, or click on the video at the top of the list in the upper right of this page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
Come join us in the forum clicking the link under the ALL CAPS request in the upper left. 7 of the top 9 volume posters in the forum are Muslims so you don't need to be afraid.
friendofutube2009 (1 hour ago)
To all visitors and waqaralisial: The case on Mecca is closed. As usual in his diversionary tactic, PaulineWaldo clutching a straw by mentioning the late Sh Deedat, censorship, etc. Now, like a broken record, he wants to play it again and again even to "waqaralisial". Up to now, he has been escaping from the points he has to face HEAD-ON, not BUTTOCK-ON:
(1) PROVE to the world that TRINITY is not pagan and taught by Jesus (pbuh) and other OT prophets
(2) PROVE to the world your belief by drinking 1 glass of ARSENIC ACID as in Mark 16:17-18
(3) EXPLAIN why the wailing wall is worshiped
(4) EXPLAIN the Roman soldier Pantera and his son Bin Pantera
If you are really that SURE of your belief, then you CANNOT help but do the ABOVE! Awaiting your response and NOT another digression tactic like the late Sh Deedat and censorship!
MrGriegos (19 minutes ago)
@friendofyoutube2009,
You can't go on someone else's channel and declare an issue closed if they do not consider that issue over.
You Muslims have the audacity to impose your parameters on debates, especially when you are losing.
TheRealLampPost (21 minutes ago)
Hi there
why do you insist on worshiping Jesus while Jesus asked you to worship God ONLY?
PeteWaldo (46 minutes ago)
Hello MrGriegos. As you know I of course answered to all of friends points repeatedly, and in over 60 panels in the forum.
http://petewaldo.com/index.?php?board=32.0
But he seems to be eclipsing the spirit of antichrist that fills him, and demonstrating something more of demonic possession. I have found that ignoring atheists and such that reveal themselves that way is generally the best course of action.
PeteWaldo (9 minutes ago)
For example, his new blasphemy regards Pantera.
What about Pantera? (Wikipedia) "The alleged connection to Jesus derives from the interpretation of a single statement by Celsus, an anti-Christian Greek philosopher quoted by Origen in Contra Celsum. According to Origen, Celsus wrote:
"when she (Mary) was pregnant she was turned out of doors by the carpenter to? whom she had been betrothed, as having been guilty of adultery, and that she bore a child to a certain soldier named Panthera."
Is that what Islam teaches about Mary? Of course not. We can see that friendofutube2009 is no more Muslim than an atheist. Even far worse. The demons that possess him cause him to hate God, as revealed through His Word, and to love the father of lies.
PeteWaldo (9 minutes ago)
Hi TheRealLampPost,
If your question is sincere, please come join me in the forum where we have unlimited characters and can post live links, and quote each other and such. If you like I can dedicate a thread to just you and I. There is no censorship there (except pornographers and such). Please click on the link after the ALL CAPS invitation at the upper left "profile" section of this channel page and let's explore your question sincerely, and in depth.
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Read Dr. David Wood's article, "Deceptive God,? Incompetent Messiah". He brings to the table the most damning evidence against islam, in which no muslim to date, at least on Youtube and in the world of scholars, has been able to refute.
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In spite of the damning evidence on the contrary to everything about islam, from history and archeology. In order to be a Muslim, you must take a circular saw, cut open your skull, and? throw your brain in the garbage.
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The Quran does not allow Muslims to think on their own behalf.?
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mattmadla (1 day ago)
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Brother, Dabo? is unable to think with a rational mind.
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No Muslim can take issue with a single characterization of Mohammed that I detailed above because they are supported? BY THEIR OWN BOOKS, as detailed here
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=336.0
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"He brings to the table the most damning evidence against islam..."
I'm not so sure about that. All of the arguments against Islam become moot, once we realize that Mecca did not even exist before the 4th century AD. There is no sense in arguing against a religion? that is A HISTORICAL IMPOSSIBILITY, and that was demonstrably AS A MATTER OF FACT invented by A SINGLE, 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament."
Please come join us in the forum bro.
brotherpete. com/index. php
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Thanks very much mattmadla. I will check Dr. Wood? out now.
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"i wish your discussion will be based on evidences either from Quran or the Bible."
They always are. Please join me in the forum. I don't bite.
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"i'm waiting your answer for my previous question."
Do you see what you did? You claimed you needed more space, and then asked a question that needs a lot of space to answer, but expect your question to be answered? in 500 characters. Want a one line explanation?
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
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TheRealLampPost said "Hi there, i've just visited the link you sent me. it sounds a little bit complicated to discuss there."
Then? please join me in the forum as I requested. If you like I can dedicate a thread to just you and I with nobody else interrupting.
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"anyway, you posted some comments at TRLP that i found pointless, because you didn't send any proof from Quran. All you said was assumptions."
But that's false, because they are simple matters of historical and archaeological fact.
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Is Jesus (pbuh) really "the only begotten of the Father" as claimed by PaulineWaldo? Let the Bible speak for itself.
His genealogy according to Matthew 1:16 says "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.". His genealogy? according to Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,". BTW, the phrase "(as was supposed)" is NOT in the most ancient M/S. So in Luke it should read: "being the son of Joseph" sans the braces.
QUESTION: Where is the Father then who begat Jesus (pbuh) in both genealogies?
friendofutube2009 (1 day ago)
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To all:
It seems that the owner of this channel is not a human but a robotic machine with auto response. His answer is always the same and? stale. If there is a human behind it, the following has been waiting for any answer, PLEASE I AM DESPERATE:
(1) PROVE to the world that TRINITY is not pagan and taught by Jesus (pbuh) and other OT prophets
(2) PROVE to the world your belief by drinking 1 glass of ARSENIC ACID as in Mark 16:17-18
(3) EXPLAIN why the wailing wall is worshiped
If you are really that SURE of your belief, then you CANNOT help but do the ABOVE!
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brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=1043.msg4077#msg4077
brotherpete.? com/index. php?topic=1071.30
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Western_Wall
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PaulineWaldo:
You are not only a machine but possesses URL redirect sickness. URL=You are LAME or You are LIAR. Whichever does not mean good for you empty brain!
For Trinity - copy and paste it here
For Mark 16:17-18 - I? will accept a URL of your Youtube video drinking ARSENIC ACID
For Wall Worship - copy and paste it here.
Is that asking too much?
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Even though the complete absence of any historical or archaeological record of Mecca ever having existed, before the pagans built Mecca in the 4th century and their Kaaba in the 5th century, proving that Mohammedanism is IN FACT nothing more than a foolish fraud, Mohammedans still reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of God to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, to instead follow the 23 year, 7th century record,? of A SINGLE, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament. Isn't that peculiar?
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1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave? OF HIS SON.
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"There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world today that reject the Word of God." - PeteWaldo.
If the Word of God is: (1) Daughters F***ing father (Gen 19:30-38), (2) Death for hitting dad? (Exodus 21:15),
(3) Drinking arsenic acid is OK (Mark 16:17-18), (4) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34), THEN MUSLIMS REJECT IT.
If the Word of God is: ONE God (Shema Deut 6:4, Mark 12:29-30), NO pork eating (Deut 14:8), prayer and fasting (Mark 9:29, Matt 17:21), salvation is doing good deeds (Matt 5:20), THEN THE MUSLIMS DO NOT REJECT IT!
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watch?v=gDbzOLTt6hg??
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Salat is pure unadulterated paganism.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain? repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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Tragically Muslims MUST REJECT ALL? of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through God's 1600 year record, to bow toward and circumambulate the pagan moon god stone idol, that the pagans bowed toward and circumambulated, before Mohammed.
Thus Mohammedanism is nothing more than repackaged pagan moon god worship, which is also evidenced by the crescent moons on the tops of their mosques, crescent moons on Muslim flags, and fasting during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. Even the favorite scream of Mohammedan suicide murderers "ALLAHU AKBAR" gives it away.
As the Muslims well know, ALLAHU AKBAR means "Allah is the greatEST". That was Mohammed's declaration, as well as centuries of Arabic moon god worshippers belief that the moon god was the most powerful of all of their pagan gods.
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Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
PeteWaldoHypocriteInfidel
I have refuted your silly Kaaba VIdeo with real facts and proof from the Bible AND the? Qur'an AND other reliable outside sources. Now kindly go dig a hole and stay in it.
And now it is YOUR TURN to go make a video of yourself drinking poison to prove that the Bible is the word of God (lol)
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Even though the complete absence of any historical or archaeological record of Mecca ever having existed, before the pagans built Mecca in the 4th century, and their? Kaaba in the 5th century, proving that Mohammedanism is IN FACT nothing more than a foolish fraud, Mohammedans still reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of God to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, to instead follow the 23 year, 7th century record, of A SINGLE, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ as revealed in the New Testament.? Isn't that peculiar?
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How come you're so? silent on my video now, BeholderGuard?
watch?v=O4ZAH6r8vHg
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PeteWaldo (17 hours ago)
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I just devoted a new forum category to this subject and I want?? to thank everyone for helping out. Please? come join us.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=56.0
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Isn't that typical.? I had several comments on BeholderGuard's video and MrGriegos? had a couple too. They so? demonstrated BeholderGuard's video foolishness that he was compelled to erase the comments. That's the trouble with truth for Muslims.? The only defense liars have against truth is to erase it.? Same reason bibles are banned in Muslim countries.
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Here's another good Kaaba? video
watch?v=Vpl4Q7Ul_wo?
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For my Christian friends,? we really have to feel? sorry for these poor folks in light of what what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you had just learned, that there was not a shred? of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and? so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off!
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Here's? a link to a free PDF tract that summarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
brotherpete. com/m20. pdf
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PaganWaldo: Your twisted mind is hopelessly stuck on your historical evidence. Your OWN Bible SHOUTS to you that Mecca exist! Hearing you hear not, seeing you see not (Mark 4:12)
ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE: Today, Christian? archeologists proved from the Bible that Mecca does exist south of Mt. Sinai. Google "the search for the real mt sinai" and see the video.
BIBLICAL EVIDENCE: Desert of Paran is Mecca (Gen 21:19-22) where Abraham sent Hagar & Ishmael. Paran is south of Mt Sinai (Deut 33:2). Google "The teaching of Paul is so clear, that we could locate Mt. Sinai".
Paul confirms Mecca in Gal 4:25. Why do you need historical evidence? Isn't your Bible reliable enough?
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Why would Jesus (pbuh) tell Pauline Christians "And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, ye that work iniquity" - Matt 7:23? Why is he loaded with some strong emotion in this statement?
Reason? Because? they work INIQUITY! The Greek word ANOMIA is mistranslated as INIQUITY or LAWLESSNES in some Bible versions. In Greek, "A" is negation while NOMIA means LAW, here Jesus (pbuh) is referring to the TORAH and not just any law because in Matt 5:17 he said he will not destroy the Torah!
So "NEGATOR OF THE TORAH", hence destroyer, is the correct translation which explains clearly why Jesus (pbuh) is displaying strong emotion on those people.
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For my Christian friends,? we really have to feel? sorry for these poor folks in light of what what they have have now learned. Put yourself in their shoes.
What if you? had just learned, that there was not a shred? of historical or archaeological evidence, that demonstrates that Jerusalem ever existed, before the 4th century AD?
Well they have now learned that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and certainly not before the Christian era, and? so everything they believe has just gone up in smoke through that one simple MATTER OF FACT.
We should hardly be surprised that their wheels are spinning off!
watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
Here's a link to a? free PDF tract that summarizes this subject. Click the link on the video or use this
brotherpete. com/m20. pdf
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Tragically Muslims MUST REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed through God's 1600 year record, to bow toward and circumambulate the pagan moon god stone idol, that the pagans bowed toward and circumambulated, before Mohammed.
Thus Mohammedanism is nothing more than repackaged pagan moon god worship, which is also evidenced by the crescent moons on the tops of their mosques, crescent moons on Muslim flags, and fasting during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. Even the favorite scream of Mohammedan? suicide murderers "ALLAHU AKBAR" gives it away.
As the Muslims well know, ALLAHU AKBAR means "Allah is the greatEST". That was Mohammed's declaration, as well as centuries of Arabic moon god worshippers belief that? the moon god was the most powerful of all of their pagan gods.
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"PaganWaldo: Your twisted mind is hopelessly stuck on your historical evidence..."
That's because it? demonstrated CONCLUSIVELY that Mecca never existed until the immigrants from Yemen built it in the 4th century, and the Kaaba didn't exist until it was built in the 5th century for pagan Star Family worship.
This means, of course, that EVERYTHING MOHAMMEDANS BELIEVE, is a MATTER OF FACT demonstrable lie - A RIDICULOUS FARCE. Even the nonsense you are trying to peddle now about it being in the bible was thoroughly refuted on BeholderGuard's video. That's why he had to remove my comments. He even makes accusation of censorship of others, when he, just like you, are the lying censors that can't stand in the light of truth.
I am not called to respond further to such an unregenerate as yourself as I already explained.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=56.0?
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"I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME ... Reason? Because they work INIQUITY!"
Quoting friendofutube2009
"IslamicTerd: Been wondering why is your head tilting a little bit? I asked experts and they say IT is caused by sucking big and long possibly 2-feet cock of horses in the filthy ghettos of NY!
I like to opine? otherwise but I think with your bad breath coming from your stinking? mouth full of venereal germs remnant of your dick sucking, I cannot help but agree..."
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Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
I have a ***BIBLE*** challenge for you: Jesus Christ says, in the Gosper of Mark, Chapter 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. (17) Believers will be given the power to perform miracles: they will drive out demons in my name; they will speak in strange tongues; (18) if? they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be harmed; they will place their hands on sick people, who will get well"
Ok....Now I ask you as a Christian believer to prove this to me by making a video of yourself performing all these miracles. Have fun :D
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PaganWaldo: You are just an empty brain machine being operated behind the scene by a team of Jewish-paid anti-Islamists. Your answer to my DEPART FROM ME is like HEAVEN and the EARTH? What does it have to with my answer to IslamicTerd? If you cannot reply to it, just ignore it and keep silent.
I don't even see your reply as sarcasm or mockery. Your way replying confirms ONE THING: you cannot refute all the THINGS that I am throwing you. Reason? You are holding the FALSE teaching of Paul and you and your team are thumb sucking it as teaching of Jesus (pbuh). When he comes back, he will indeed tell you: DEPART FROM ME PETEWALDO YOU DESTROYER OF THE TORAH!
Satan is awaiting you in the? deepest dungeon of H-E-L-L!
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So BeholderGuard, why did you censor the comments that I put on your Mecca video? We all know why.
Because the only way Mohammedans can follow their STAND-ALONE 7th century? murdering, prisoner raping, child doing thief, is to destroy the truth. That's why Muslims that come to Jesus Christ are murdered as "apostates". That's why bibles are banned in Muslim countries.
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PaganWaldo: "Even the nonsense you are trying to peddle now about it being in the bible..."
Refute it HERE! Not there or anywhere. Everyone wants to see it HERE not THERE! Unless you do so, they stand as they are and I say it again:? Mecca is SOUTH of Mt. Sinai as confirmed TODAY by Christian archaeologists from your Bible! I repeat: Mecca is SOUTH of Mt. Sinai as confirmed TODAY by Christian archaeologists from your Bible.
If you refute me, then you have successfully HELPED ME that your Bible is NOT from God! But if you DON'T (and I am sure you will NEVER) then you are LIAR! So either way, you are DAMNED, dumber!
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@friendofyoutube2009,
I love it when you Muslims pretend to have a grasp on logic. Go to MBI3030's channel and look at the latest upload. It talks about the earliest discovered Quran that now challenges the Uthman/Zaid Quran that you use.
Quranic scholarship is exposing your text as completely created and developed, rather than presented in a state of perfection.
If you can't provide an answer to that video you have admitted defeat and how? false Islam is.
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BeholderGuard is such a Mohammedan coward - just like friendofutube2009 - that he even censored a simple question that I asked on his? channel which was
"So BeholderGuard, why did you remove my comments from your foolish "Mecca" video?
We all know why. Mohammedanism cannot stand the light of truth."
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Yes. I've seen that video before.
watch?v=zxp1kXiF_OA
It simply further proves? what a FARCE Mohammed's, pagan black moon god stone venerating, 7th century religion is.
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MrGriegos:
You have many unanswered assignments in BeholderGuard and? you come here to answer my argument to PaganWaldo. Are you really his mouthpiece? Can he not speak his own mind, if he has any?
Do NOT be a URL guy also like your pagan colleague. URL=YOU ARE LAME or LIAR. Do not point your answer THERE! Bring it HERE! And we will discuss it.
Awaiting...
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Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
RE: PaganWaldo
Your video about Mecca has been refuted 100%. Now go and prove yourself as a christian by conducting the Bible Test!!! WHAT IS THE MATTER? CAN'T? I? WONDER WHY? (lol)
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (37 minutes ago)
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I just inquired on BeholderGuard's channel
"How about I put the comments back on your video BeholderGuard? Or are you simply too much? of a coward to answer to them?"
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (47 minutes ago)
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But why did you censor my comments on your video that exposed it as the preposterous bunch of nonsense that it is??
MrGriegos
MrGriegos (37 minutes ago)
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@friendofyoutube2009,
I have provided you with answers, but you rejected them.? You didn't want to watch the videos I made. For some strange reason you come to YouTube and don't watch videos.
You have failed to defend Islam, thereby proving that you have lost. By doing so you have demonstrated that Islam is false and empty.
Congrats!
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
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Though I haven't deleted a single channel comment in well over 2 years with this channel, I may start a new policy of deleting comments?, of any Mohammedan coward,? who censors my comments on their channel, but have thus far been at complete liberty to post on my channel. It would certainly not be unreasonable particularly when we? find censoring cowards like friendofutube and BeholderGuard that are also
Pro 26:11 As? a dog returneth to his vomit, [so] a fool returneth to his folly.
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
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But of course, the censoring Mohammedan coward removed my last suggestion on his channel that? I replace the comments on his video.?
MrGriegos
MrGriegos (5 days ago)
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Hi Pete,
The way I see it, is? that if Muslims come to my channel they are more than welcome. However, my channel is not their channel and therefore they cannot be disrespectful towards myself, other Christians or Muslims who are sincerely interested in Christianity.
A few Muslims that have been interested in Christianity have chosen to use private messages because the channel comments exposes them to the hostilities of other Muslims who do not approve. Our purpose should be to provide a stimulating environment, and not allow certain Muslims the opportunity to sabotage our efforts in communicating what it is we wish to convey onto our Muslim friends.
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (4 days ago)
I'm afraid np33123 has? been duped by? the hecklers. Even his language has?? gone downhill over the last couple of years that we have been chatting.
"As an IMAM, he is supposed to set an example..."
And so he has. An example of exactly who it is that they serve. Their blasphemy is ever on the increase, as they increasingly follow atheists spin, on Christianity. And increasingly freely admitting that they REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses of the Gospel, to follow a 7th century murdering, rapist, thief, as he is revealed THROUGH THEIR OWN BOOKS, and as the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ.
watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
MrGriegos
MrGriegos (4 days ago)
Also, from the Quran 2:194, it states,
"...And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you..."
What do they perceive as an attack? Lately, I've recognized that anyone who rejects Islam is guilty of provoking retaliation from Muslims.
Muslims claim to love and respect Jesus as a "prophet", but Jesus Christ did not teach an eye-for-an-eye as does this particular Sura and ayad above. My point here is that Muslims are conditioned to respond to people with an eye-for-an-eye mentality. Even if no one insulted or struck them, they claim vengeance each and every time. The Quran has taught them to react like this to every situation.
MrGriegos
MrGriegos (4 days ago)
I think you are right. I recall that np33123 was at one time polite and articulate. That quality was merely a mask. In the end, Islamic teachings serve? as instructions for Muslims to follow.
For example, from the Quran 48:29, it states, "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves [...]"
The reality is that they are taught to be cruel to non-Muslims.
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (4 days ago)
"What do they perceive as an attack?"
The very existence? of any non-Muslim (dar el harb or "house of war"), at least as evidenced by their "self defense" murder, rape, pillage and plunder of imperialistic conquest, all the way up to Tours France and Vienna Austria during the Islamic First Jihad.
brotherpete. com/religion_of_peace. htm
np33123 (3 days ago)
PaganWaldo KE ESI MALLAKA MrGriegos both of you are based on 100% false information!
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
If the 1600 year record of God to mankind through ALL of the prophets and witnesses is false, and Mohammed's STAND-ALONE 7th century religion is true, then why is it you can't bring yourself to answer this very simple question, that I asked you 5 times, on your channel np?
Do Muslims today bow toward and circumambulate, the very same black stone moon god idol, that the pagans bowed toward and circumambulated, before Mohammed? Simple YES or NO will do.
np33123
np33123 (3 days ago)
Are you going to limit God's record only in the frame of 1600 years ? No more records ? Are Muslims bowing to the Moon or to the stone ? THEY WORSHIP THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING ! Did Jesus bow to pray to God ? Which God was more HIGH ?
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (1 day ago)
So how did Mohammed really? come up with that stuff? From the 2nd century occult cult of? the Sabians, who he was into up to his eyeballs, by way of 4 of his relatives who formed "Ahnaf". Even his own clan referred to Mohammed as "the Sabian".
Guess what the Sabiens had been doing for centuries? Praying 5 times a day and practicing ablution.
brotherpete. com/fables_fantasies. htm
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (2 days ago)
For those unfamiliar with the story? please click? the? "MOHAMMED'S? NIGHT JOURNEY"? link to the left. Few things are more important in Islam, since Mohammed's overnight trip? to Jerusalem, heaven, and back to Mecca, on? a magical flying animal, determined the requirement for? Muslims? to pray five times? a day, and perform ablution,? or washing? up before prayers.? Did I get that about right np?
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
Now? let me ask you. What did Mohammed find in Jerusalem when he rode his flying camel there?
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
Jesus, while revealed to us as a man in the flesh on earth, provided the? perfect and sinless example for all mankind to follow. After He was crucified and resurrected He declared
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
Because Jesus and God are coexistent from the beginning.
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
"Are you going to limit God's record only in the frame of 1600 years? No more? records?"
No I'm not.? GOD LIMITED HIS RECORD of revelation to us to a period of 1600 years ENDING in the first century AD.
PeteWaldo
PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
"Are Muslims bowing to the Moon or to the stone?"
Every Muslim in the world bows toward and is supposed to circumambulate, the? very same black stone idol that represented the moon god, that the pagans bowed toward and circumambulated, before Mohammed.
Isn't this correct? YES or NO will do.