I just wanted to take this time to point out something. Our friend Mujaheed, who has graciously awarded us with his presence, has over the last 6 posts written the following things.
...illiterates you lying fool,...
...COME ON SAY IT WITH ME YOU IDIOT...
...a feeble minded individual ...
...YOPU ARROGANT FOOL...
...AGAIN everything that comes from you is lies, ...
...(Arrogant Ignoramus) ...
...YOUR FRUSTRATION IS THE SAME AS THAT OF SATANS WITH THE MUSLIMS...
...My dear Peter again your obstinate ignorabce persists...
...I have mailed have said and I quote " dont waste your time with that Idiot"...
And yet has still taken the time to give this advice.
...not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.
Now Mujaheed I understand it can be upsetting when someone disagrees with you or even worse may critisize someone you care dearly for, but I ask you if you truly feel that you are right why resort to such base tactics and mud slinging. This forum is for discussion of Islam and Christianity. To Peter and myself when you say that Jesus is not God it is deeply insulting and blasphemous, but we understand that you don't believe it is. And even if we did believe you felt it was insulting we still would refrain from calling you names. So I will ask you why you disgrace yourself so much by resorting to name calling when you have not recieved such treatment?
In Christ Jesus with Love,
resistingrexmundi
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 23, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
I just wanted to take this time to point out something. Our friend Mujaheed, who has graciously awarded us with his presence, has over the last 6 posts written the following things.
...illiterates you lying fool,...
...COME ON SAY IT WITH ME YOU IDIOT...
...a feeble minded individual ...
...YOPU ARROGANT FOOL...
...AGAIN everything that comes from you is lies, ...
...(Arrogant Ignoramus) ...
...YOUR FRUSTRATION IS THE SAME AS THAT OF SATANS WITH THE MUSLIMS...
...My dear Peter again your obstinate ignorabce persists...
...I have mailed have said and I quote " dont waste your time with that Idiot"...
And yet has still taken the time to give this advice.
...not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.
Now Mujaheed I understand it can be upsetting when someone disagrees with you or even worse may critisize someone you care dearly for, but I ask you if you truly feel that you are right why resort to such base tactics and mud slinging. This forum is for discussion of Islam and Christianity. To Peter and myself when you say that Jesus is not God it is deeply insulting and blasphemous, but we understand that you don't believe it is. And even if we did believe you felt it was insulting we still would refrain from calling you names. So I will ask you why you disgrace yourself so much by resorting to name calling when you have not recieved such treatment?
In Christ Jesus with Love,
resistingrexmundi
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Thank you for the pointing out of my mistakes, I am usually a very calm and collected person except when I am told I reject prophet of GOD and when someone shows the highest level of disrespect toward another's belief with no basis or justification what so ever, I made the mistake of stooping to the same level.
I DONT SAY JESUS IS NOT GOD I TAKE MY LESSONS FROM JESUS WHO SAYS SO HIMSELF AND SAYS THAT THE FIRST AND GREATEST COMMAND IS TO BELIEVE THAT YOUR LORD GOD IS ONE.
Could I ask you to remove the self-styled opinion of Peter regarding the Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him as it is a gross misrepresentation and falsifying facts of a religion he clearly does not understand or care to research for himself.
I have not been able to engage in a discussion from the word go, he hurls unrelated links to post off topic please see our first suicide martyr board and the picture becomes very clear.
I respect everyone and usually take a cue from the person as to how I should deal with the person, sort of a Japanese protocol for establishing authority.
I am not biased in my approach and expect the same courtesy from people I engage with, I chose this site as it has very few hits and I am not lost in a sea of arguments that are politicized. I read ELLIS SKOLLFIELD AND START TO REALIZE IT IS POLITICS AND NOT GOD YOU INTERESTED IN, KILLINGS AND WOMEN ABUSE OCCUR EVERYWHERE, CHILD MURDER AND LABOUR AND EXPLOITATION IS NOT ISLAMIC IT IS NATIONALITIES (POLITICS)
MY POINT: STAY ON TOPIC, PLEASE,
I PRAY:
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH MOST MERCIFUL MOST BENEVOLENT
ALL PRAISE IS DUE TO ALLAH LORD OF THE UNIVERSE
KING OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT (RELIGION/DEEN)
THEE ALONE DO I WORSHIP AND THINE AID ALONE DO IS SEEK
GUIDE US ON THE STRAIGHT PATH
THE PATH ON WHOM THOU HAST BESTOWED THINE FAVOUR
NOT THOSE THAT HAVE INCURRED THEY WRATH
NOR THOSE THAT HAVE GONE ASTRAY.
AMEEN
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 23, 2010, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 23, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
I just wanted to take this time to point out something. Our friend Mujaheed, who has graciously awarded us with his presence, has over the last 6 posts written the following things.
...illiterates you lying fool,...
...COME ON SAY IT WITH ME YOU IDIOT...
...a feeble minded individual ...
...YOPU ARROGANT FOOL...
...AGAIN everything that comes from you is lies, ...
...(Arrogant Ignoramus) ...
...YOUR FRUSTRATION IS THE SAME AS THAT OF SATANS WITH THE MUSLIMS...
...My dear Peter again your obstinate ignorabce persists...
...I have mailed have said and I quote " dont waste your time with that Idiot"...
And yet has still taken the time to give this advice.
...not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.
Now Mujaheed I understand it can be upsetting when someone disagrees with you or even worse may critisize someone you care dearly for, but I ask you if you truly feel that you are right why resort to such base tactics and mud slinging. This forum is for discussion of Islam and Christianity. To Peter and myself when you say that Jesus is not God it is deeply insulting and blasphemous, but we understand that you don't believe it is. And even if we did believe you felt it was insulting we still would refrain from calling you names. So I will ask you why you disgrace yourself so much by resorting to name calling when you have not recieved such treatment?
In Christ Jesus with Love,
resistingrexmundi
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Thank you for the pointing out of my mistakes, I am usually a very calm and collected person except when I am told I reject prophet of GOD and when someone shows the highest level of disrespect toward another's belief with no basis or justification what so ever, I made the mistake of stooping to the same level.
Every time you deny the blood that Jesus shed for us it isn't just "disrespect" but it is downright blasphemy. Every time you deny that Jesus is the Son of God you are speaking blasphemy. Every time you speak against Paul or any other prophets and apostles of the Gospel, by rejecting their accounts, you speak blasphemy. Every time you speak against God's temple (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=2&t=KJV#19) you speak blasphemy. Every time you call the pagan Arabian's Kaaba, God's temple, you speak blasphemy. Every time you substitute "Allah" (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0) for the
NAME of YHWH you speak blasphemy.
You see my friend, this is a 2-WAY street, but you accuse me. So you can drop the typical Muslim cry "boo hoo insulting out prophet (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1268.0)" nonsense. It is
your own books that insult your prophet. I simply point it out.
The Islamic "beast" does all of the following.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
It is
you that arrived with
aggressive venom (displaying a foul spirit) - "These videos lack inspiration, they are sad stories of obviously GOD_less individuals that came from nothing...".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1900.0
It is
you that has argued from the beginning with "no basis or justification what so ever", in fact, scripture, history, archaeology or geography. The time of your ignoring and obfuscating is over. It's time to
engage in an
exchange and address specific points.
Let's explore your false accusation of my having "no basis or justification what so ever". Please give a brief answer to the following. "Yes" or "No" will do.
Did Mohammed take the property of others by force?
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."
1. Did Mohammed take by theft the property of others?Please answer this question before moving to the next post.
We understand that Muslims follow the father of lies - Satan - through the false prophet Mohammed. That's why we give them a lot of latitude in this forum. Muslims rudely ignore posts as you have, and engage in false accusations as you have, while spewing unhistorical and unsupportable nonsense as you have - often from the consummate Mohammedan liar Ahmed Deedat, or his self-admitted disciple Naik.
Here's an example of another Muslim's false accusations in this forum. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1678.0
Just as we must necessarily expect blasphemy against YHWH and Yeshua, we expect lies and false accusations, because it was prophesied for our times.
2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud,
blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful,
unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent,
fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 23, 2010, 05:29:55 PM
I have not been able to engage in a discussion from the word go, he hurls unrelated links to post off topic please see our first suicide martyr board and the picture becomes very clear.
Now you told the above quoted lie over, and over, and over, and over again.The last time you told this lie was on this link, you labeled "4." on your list. I answered with 9 links
to just some of my replies to your Samson thread.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1900.msg7994#msg7994
The time before that you falsely accused me of not replying on the Samson thread I pointed out my prior replies.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7949#msg7949
The time before that you falsely accused me of not replying I pointed out my prior replies to the Samson subject.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7914#msg7914
It's you that avoided an honest discussion of martyrdom. Now
instead of ignoring my replies, and falsely accusing me of not replying,
reply to them. Click on the following link and give DIRECT AND SUCCINCT answers,
TO BOTH POINTS that go to the very heart of your false exegesis. Then we will move on to my next points in that Samson thread that you ignored.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7872#msg7872
Quote from: Peter on October 24, 2010, 05:08:06 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 23, 2010, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 23, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
I just wanted to take this time to point out something. Our friend Mujaheed, who has graciously awarded us with his presence, has over the last 6 posts written the following things.
...illiterates you lying fool,...
...COME ON SAY IT WITH ME YOU IDIOT...
...a feeble minded individual ...
...YOPU ARROGANT FOOL...
...AGAIN everything that comes from you is lies, ...
...(Arrogant Ignoramus) ...
...YOUR FRUSTRATION IS THE SAME AS THAT OF SATANS WITH THE MUSLIMS...
...My dear Peter again your obstinate ignorabce persists...
...I have mailed have said and I quote " dont waste your time with that Idiot"...
And yet has still taken the time to give this advice.
...not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.
Now Mujaheed I understand it can be upsetting when someone disagrees with you or even worse may critisize someone you care dearly for, but I ask you if you truly feel that you are right why resort to such base tactics and mud slinging. This forum is for discussion of Islam and Christianity. To Peter and myself when you say that Jesus is not God it is deeply insulting and blasphemous, but we understand that you don't believe it is. And even if we did believe you felt it was insulting we still would refrain from calling you names. So I will ask you why you disgrace yourself so much by resorting to name calling when you have not recieved such treatment?
In Christ Jesus with Love,
resistingrexmundi
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Thank you for the pointing out of my mistakes, I am usually a very calm and collected person except when I am told I reject prophet of GOD and when someone shows the highest level of disrespect toward another's belief with no basis or justification what so ever, I made the mistake of stooping to the same level.
Every time you deny the blood that Jesus shed for us it isn't just "disrespect" but it is downright blasphemy. Every time you deny that Jesus is the Son of God you are speaking blasphemy. Every time you speak against Paul or any other prophets and apostles of the Gospel, by rejecting their accounts, you speak blasphemy. Every time you speak against God's temple (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eph&c=2&t=KJV#19) you speak blasphemy. Every time you call the pagan Arabian's Kaaba God's temple you speak blasphemy. Every time you use "Allah" for the NAME of YHWH you speak blasphemy.
You see my friend, this is a 2-WAY street, but you accuse me. So you can drop the typical Muslim cry "boo hoo insulting my prophet" nonsense. It is your own books that insult your prophet. I simply point it out.
The Islamic "beast" does all of the following.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
It is you that arrived with aggressive venom (displaying a foul spirit) - "These videos lack inspiration, they are sad stories of obviously GOD_less individuals that came from nothing...".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1900.0
It is you that has argued from the beginning with "no basis or justification what so ever", in fact, scripture, history, archaeology or geography. The time of your ignoring and obfuscating is over. It's time to engage in an exchange and address specific points.
Let's explore your false accusation of my having "no basis or justification what so ever". Please give a brief answer to the following. "Yes" or "No" will do.
Did Mohammed take the property of others by force?
"In criminal law, theft is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent."
1. Did Mohammed take by theft the property of others?
Please answer this question before moving to the next post.
MUHAMMAD DID NOT TAKE ANYONES PROPERTY BY FORCE!
ARE YOU GEBNERALLY A RUDE ARROGANT PERSON THAT DOES NOT LIKE TO BE CHALLENGE:
NOW YOU ANSWER ME A QUESTION DID JESUS STATE: I AM GOD WORSHIP ME IN THE BIBLE?
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 24, 2010, 09:42:45 AM
MUHAMMAD DID NOT TAKE ANYONES PROPERTY BY FORCE!
I see. So when Mohammed beheaded the Qurayza Jews that he slaughtered, for example, they desired to give their property to him freely, perhaps before he beheaded them?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7988#msg7988
You don't think they would have preferred their property had been left to their under-10-year-old-sons that didn't get beheaded, and mothers, wives and daughters?
Are you suggesting that everyone that the Mohammedans attacked, from Mecca up to France and Austria,
GAVE their property to the Islamic invaders?
Quote from: Peter on October 24, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 24, 2010, 09:42:45 AM
MUHAMMAD DID NOT TAKE ANYONES PROPERTY BY FORCE!
I see. So when Mohammed beheaded the Jews that he slaughtered, for example, they gave their property to him freely, perhaps before he beheaded them?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7988#msg7988
Are you suggesting that everyone from Mecca up to France and Austria GAVE their property to the Islamic invaders?
I ANSWERED THIS QUESTION< BUT LET ME INDULGE YOU
MUHAMMAD IS THE LEADER OF MADINA AND MAKES A DEAL WITH THE JEWS< THEY BETRAY HIM (TREACHERY) AND THE RISK THE LIVES OF ALL IN MADINA AND THE LIFE OF THE PROPHET WITH THEIR TREACHERY<
WHAT IS THE TRADITIONAL PUNISHMENT FOR TREACHERY????
YOUR SELECTIVE READING OF THE BIBLE DOES NOT HEALP ANYONE: KILLING AND WAR IS PART OF THE RELIGIOUS TRADITION< EVERYWHERE THERE ARE BELIEVERS THERE WILL BE PERSECUTION,
Unless the believer confesses one thing, I believe in Jesus but I am a Capitilist, that loves the fact that we are free to do what we want with no laws and we never contradict others, pay exhorbitant taxes that is squandered on huge parliaments and poverty is increased, we believers are fine in our comfort, forget hope love charity and we pray on our terms when we comfortable, forget the laws laid down. ALL THAT GOOD MAN HAVE TO DO INORDER FOR EVIL TO FLOURISH IS NOTHING. SING DANCE< DRINK WINE< LET IT BE LET IT BE< THERE WILL BE AN ANSWER LET IT BE....
WAKE UP START DEALING WITH REAL LIFE>
THERE IS NO NEED FOR VIOLENCE AGAINST PEACE LOVING HUMAN BEINGS< BUT THE JEWS AND THE QURIASH WERE HARDLY THAT DURING THE TIME OF THE PROPHET>
Please I urge you tell the whole story when you bring up a subject, not half truths and fanciful fairy tales that misleads and misguides as it has harmed you to a great extent.
I have seen this amongst all kinds of people, its especially bad amongst the muslims, OPINIONS< EXTREMIST IDEAS< HALF TRUTHS< FOLLOWING VERSES OF SCRIPTURE SELECTIVELY, it causes huge problems for the world and ends up in hypocrisy and disobedience to ALLAH (AL-the Ielaah-GOD)
HOW VAN YOU TAKE OFFENCE TO THE TERM ALLLAH
YOU MUST BE UNDER THE INFLUNCE OF SATAN JESUS SAID ALLAH (EILLAAH MEANS GOD IN ARAMAIC AND HEBREW AL MEANS THE) JESUS DEFINITELY SAID ALLAH
THE BLANK SPACES IN THE HEBREW< A NAME TO HOLY TO MENTION? ALLAH (THE_AL GOD-IELAAH)
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 24, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
Quote from: Peter on October 24, 2010, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 24, 2010, 09:42:45 AM
MUHAMMAD DID NOT TAKE ANYONES PROPERTY BY FORCE!
I see. So when Mohammed beheaded the Jews that he slaughtered, for example, they gave their property to him freely, perhaps before he beheaded them?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7988#msg7988
Are you suggesting that everyone from Mecca up to France and Austria GAVE their property to the Islamic invaders?
WHAT IS THE TRADITIONAL PUNISHMENT FOR TREACHERY????
Just because you believe that Mohammed's theft of property, was his form of punishment of YHWH's people (because they didn't want to be separated from YHWH forever by following Satan through the false prophet Mohammed),
doesn't change the fact that it was theft. Indeed theft of the property of others was how Mohammed made his living - with a 1/5 share of all the stolen property claimed for himself - just like a Mafia Don.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=951.0
Your own post at the following link admitted,
that it wasn't God but Sa'd b. Mu'adh, that passed sentence on the Banu Qurayza.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.msg7909#msg7909
Even though your own post shows that the slaughter, theft of the property, rape of women, and selling into slavery of the remaining Banu Qurayza
was decided between Mohammed and his boy Sa'd (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1528.0), let's look at an example from Scripture. Since Mohammedans have been indoctrinated to believe that Mohammed had something to do with a "faith of Abraham", let's look at what Abraham did, after vanquishing
God's enemies (
not God's people like Mohammed did), and
the vanquished even requested that he take their property.Genesis 14.20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and
take the goods to thyself. {persons: Heb. souls} 22 And
Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 23
That I will not [take] from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that [is] thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=951.0
And you actually have the audacity to believe that Mohammedans have anything whatsoever to do with the "law" when you follow the false prophet thief Mohammed - one of the worst reprobates (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1528.0) in world history - through his
stand-alone 7th century religion.
Exd 20:15
Thou shalt not steal.Does Mohammed's behavior fare any better under the new covenant?
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that
the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:
neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards,
nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=879.0
Just because you suffer under a perverse self-deception that you "respect" Jesus, even as you follow the false prophet Mohammed - the EXACT OPPOSITE (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0) of Jesus Christ - doesn't mitigate your blasphemy of Jesus.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
It is true that I removed that verse from it's context. So before you accuse me, why don't you read the verse in context, and explain to us how it doesn't mean what it says.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#top
QuoteQuote from: Peter on October 24, 2010, 05:03:53 PM
Just because you suffer under a perverse self-deception that you "respect" Jesus, even as you follow the false prophet Mohammed - the EXACT OPPOSITE (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0) of Jesus Christ - doesn't mitigate your blasphemy of Jesus.
I would like to point out to Resistingrex that I have to tolerate Blasphemy of Jesus plus insults To my belief and BLASHEMY OF ALLAH (THE GOD) AND THE PROPHET OF ALLAH (THE-AL GOD-IELAAH) in almost every post, MT tolerance is an indication of my LOVE for GOD and reveals the condition of your heart Peter. WHAT THE MOUTH UTTERS BETRAYS WHAT THE HEART CONCEALS (my own quote). please compare my words to Peter's and tell me whose heart appears harder?
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
It is true that I removed that verse from it's context. So before you accuse me, why don't you read the verse in context, and explain to us how it doesn't mean what it says.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#top
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I believe that you are attributing meaning that is a blasphemy against GOD. LET ME READ THE VERSE IN PLAIN ENGLISH SINCE YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE.
"WHOMSOEVER BELIEVETH IN THE PROPHET JESUS (
ALL PROPHETS ARE CALLED SON"S OF GOD AND ALL WHO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE IS THE FAMILY OF GOD) THEY SHALL BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER FOREVER. HE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE JESUS (PROPHET OF GOD and ALL THE PROPHETS ARE SONS OF GOD IN THE BIBLE) SHALL NOT BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER
(he will be subjected to something severe) and GOD WILL PUNISH HIM.
Please note that aramaic hebrew and Arabic (the Semitic language of the region) does not have upper case and lowers case in the language and there fore son and all letters are written in one case. Addition of Upper case happened only in translations. HENCE MY USE OF UPPER CASE FOR THE ENTIRE VERSE>
What did Jesus (Peace and blessings of ALLAH on him)teach in order to have him? Hope, love, charity, prayer, fasting and above all that he came to fulfill the law not destroy it as later scribes and pharisees did.
WHAT does Muhammad (Peace and blessings of ALLAH on him) teach? Answer is belief in One GOD, Prayer, fasting, charity and pilgramage to the three HOLY SITES, MAKKAH, MAdina AND JERUSALEM. Together with, love hope, charity and prayer and remembrance of GODs laws.
ANOTHER NOTE, I AM CERTAIN THAT THE WORDS IBN AND ABD WERE CONFUSED (IBN MEANS SON AND ABD MEANS SLAVE very easy foe a scribe to unwittingly confuse in his love and zeal for the Prophets. The prophets are more likely to have the title of slaves of ALLAH than sons of ALLAH as slaves means that they are in the service of ALLAH not this world or in the service of humans and that is the primary focus of all the scripture: to take man out the slavery of man.
Muhammad (MESSENGER AND PROPHET OF ALLAH) encouraged the freeing of slaves and when one reads the history of Islam you find that all the slaves were set free in the time of the Prophet in stark contrast to other nations that took years to realise this great act.
There is no conflict between the QURAN and the BIBLE except where you mix and confuse the words with your own or pagan interpretation.
QUESTION DOES SATAN BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD OR DOES HE KNOW IT LIKE YOU KNOW THAT SUN RISES FROM THE EAST? DOES THAT MEAN SATAN IS SAVED? PLEASE CONSIDER THE BIBLE BEFORE YOU ANSWER.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM
QuoteQuote from: Peter on October 24, 2010, 05:03:53 PM
Just because you suffer under a perverse self-deception that you "respect" Jesus, even as you follow the false prophet Mohammed - the EXACT OPPOSITE (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=148.0) of Jesus Christ - doesn't mitigate your blasphemy of Jesus.
I would like to point out to Resistingrex that I have to tolerate Blasphemy of Jesus plus insults To my belief and BLASHEMY OF ALLAH (THE GOD) AND THE PROPHET OF ALLAH (THE-AL GOD-IELAAH) in almost every post, MT tolerance is an indication of my LOVE for GOD and reveals the condition of your heart Peter. WHAT THE MOUTH UTTERS BETRAYS WHAT THE HEART CONCEALS (my own quote). please compare my words to Peter's and tell me whose heart appears harder?
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
It is true that I removed that verse from it's context. So before you accuse me, why don't you read the verse in context, and explain to us how it doesn't mean what it says.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#top
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I believe that you are attributing meaning that is a blasphemy against GOD. LET ME READ THE VERSE IN PLAIN ENGLISH SINCE YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE.
"WHOMSOEVER BELIEVETH IN THE PROPHET JESUS (ALL PROPHETS ARE CALLED SON"S OF GOD AND ALL WHO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE IS THE FAMILY OF GOD) THEY SHALL BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER FOREVER. HE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE JESUS (PROPHET OF GOD and ALL THE PROPHETS ARE SONS OF GOD IN THE BIBLE) SHALL NOT BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER (he will be subjected to something severe) and GOD WILL PUNISH HIM.
Please note that aramaic hebrew and Arabic (the Semitic language of the region) does not have upper case and lowers case in the language and there fore son and all letters are written in one case. Addition of Upper case happened only in translations. HENCE MY USE OF UPPER CASE FOR THE ENTIRE VERSE>
What did Jesus (Peace and blessings of ALLAH on him)teach in order to have him? Hope, love, charity, prayer, fasting and above all that he came to fulfill the law not destroy it as later scribes and pharisees did.
WHAT does Muhammad (Peace and blessings of ALLAH on him) teach? Answer is belief in One GOD, Prayer, fasting, charity and pilgramage to the three HOLY SITES, MAKKAH, MAdina AND JERUSALEM. Together with, love hope, charity and prayer and remembrance of GODs laws.
ANOTHER NOTE, I AM CERTAIN THAT THE WORDS IBN AND ABD WERE CONFUSED (IBN MEANS SON AND ABD MEANS SLAVE very easy foe a scribe to unwittingly confuse in his love and zeal for the Prophets. The prophets are more likely to have the title of slaves of ALLAH than sons of ALLAH as slaves means that they are in the service of ALLAH not this world or in the service of humans and that is the primary focus of all the scripture: to take man out the slavery of man.
Muhammad (MESSENGER AND PROPHET OF ALLAH) encouraged the freeing of slaves and when one reads the history of Islam you find that all the slaves were set free in the time of the Prophet in stark contrast to other nations that took years to realise this great act.
There is no conflict between the QURAN and the BIBLE except where you mix and confuse the words with your own or pagan interpretation.
QUESTION DOES SATAN BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD OR DOES HE KNOW IT LIKE YOU KNOW THAT SUN RISES FROM THE EAST? DOES THAT MEAN SATAN IS SAVED? PLEASE CONSIDER THE BIBLE BEFORE YOU ANSWER.
That is quite a stretch. The verse is very clear.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John makes it even more clear than this in other verses from his epistles.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist,
that denieth the Father and the Son. As for your opinion of the "mistranslation". It is inconcievable for multiple reasons. The biggest of which is the New Testament was written in Koine Greek. Not aramaic or arabic or hebrew. It was written in the most common tongue in the world at the time so it would spread quickly.
To address your last question. Satan is aware that Jesus is the Son of God. But being aware of that does not mean that he responds accordingly. Jesus was clear on what terms He was to be accepted. You cannot say I accept the King as a good man but not as the King. If you do not accept Him as what He is you do not accept Him at all.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM
I believe that you are attributing meaning that is a blasphemy against GOD. LET ME READ THE VERSE IN PLAIN ENGLISH ........
And then instead of reading in "plain English" you create a lie. That's because you follow the father of lies. You might be able to peddle this foolishness among your weak-minded bible-ignorant fellow Mohammed followers, but it won't wash in here.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM........ SINCE YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE.
"WHOMSOEVER BELIEVETH IN THE PROPHET JESUS (ALL PROPHETS ARE CALLED SON"S OF GOD ......
Creating your own bible verse, in the mold of the reprobate buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0). Well done!
Pretending God's record says something that it doesn't only hastens your destruction. More blasphemy. You are only fooling yourself. You're not fooling us, and certainly not fooling your judge.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Even I am
A son of God in the general use of the term. But anyone that isn't possessed by the spirit of antichrist could see the distinction between sons like me and
THE singular Son of God in this verse.
Gal 4:6 And because
ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of
his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
God isn't a Father in Mohammed's cult, contradicting over 234 verses in scripture.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/no_father.htm
There are 47 verses throughout the New Testament that call Jesus
THE Son of God, 64 that refer to Him as
THE Son, all with the definite article
THE, and there are 10 that declare He is begotten of God.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0
The most egregious and only unpardonable sin in Satan's/Mohammed's antichrist 7th century religion is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is
the Son of God. So you can peddle your taqiyyah somewhere else.
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Jesus is THE ONLY begotten Son of God because He was conceived by a virgin by the express will of God. Yet Mohammedanism teaches that there is no distinction among prophets, as you have expressed here.
YOU pretend He is just another son of God.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Satan's filthy book of lies teaches the EXACT OPPOSITE.
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
Blaspheming God and rejecting his love for us, expressed through His record, in exchange for Satan's and his false prophet Mohammed's lies.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not
God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM....... AND ALL WHO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE IS THE FAMILY OF GOD)[/i] .......
The sad thing is, that lying purveyors of taqiyyah such as yourself dupe their own children into their destruction, while perpetuating their own self-delusion.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM...... THEY SHALL BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER FOREVER.
I've got news for you. Heaven isn't the chicken and wine surving bordello that Mohammed portrayed, to keep his fellow murdering, rapist, thieves in the game.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AMHE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE JESUS (PROPHET OF GOD and ALL THE PROPHETS ARE SONS OF GOD IN THE BIBLE) SHALL NOT BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER (he will be subjected to something severe) and GOD WILL PUNISH HIM.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
But Mohammed didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing but came as a pillaging (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), plundering (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm), murdering (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0), child doing (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=769.msg3047#msg3047), prisoner raping (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1564.0), stepson's only wife taking (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=929.0), sex slave prostituting (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0), concubine fornicating (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.msg3411#msg3411), cheating (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=950.0), blood drenched (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), imperialistic (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geut2COmRLYsMAd.dXNyoA?p=history+islamic+first+jihad+poitiers+france+vienna+austria&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-832&sao=1), conquering (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), terrorist (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=953.0), thief (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0). A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and
THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
THE false prophet isn't the tooth fairy my friend.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM
Please note that aramaic hebrew and Arabic (the Semitic language of the region) does not have upper case and lowers case in the language and there fore son and all letters are written in one case. Addition of Upper case happened only in translations. HENCE MY USE OF UPPER CASE FOR THE ENTIRE VERSE>
Further effort to advance your lie.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is MY BELOVED SON , in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Luk 3:22 ...and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art MY BELOVED SON; in thee I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE SON.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
Surah 9.30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the
Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say.
Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
Don't try to pretend that Mohammed's "Allah" moon god, is the same as the YHWH of Jews and Christians.
So go kiss the Quraish's black stone moon god idol, to your own destruction.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
You reject the record that God gave us to follow the
stand-alone rantings of A SINGLE 7th century desert dwelling illiterate antichrist as Mohammed is described above, through your own books. And participate in his thinly repackaged pagan Arabian moon, sun star and jinn-demon worship.
Since the moon god was considered to be the most powerful deity in Arabian Star Family worship it would seem no coincidence that the Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar. Muslims all over the world bow toward the black stone, that pagans venerated as the moon god idol, five times a day. Crescent moons adorn the tops of mosques and decorate national flags. "Fasting" is done during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. Even the favorite shout of Mohammedan suicide murderers - ALLAHU AKBAR - means "Allah is the greatER", which for Arabian moon god worshipers meant that the moon god was the most powerful of all of the Arabian Star Family deities.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#moon_god
ONE MUST CHOOSE.
QUESTION DOES SATAN BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD OR DOES HE KNOW IT LIKE YOU KNOW THAT SUN RISES FROM THE EAST? DOES THAT MEAN SATAN IS SAVED? PLEASE CONSIDER THE BIBLE BEFORE YOU ANSWER.
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That is quite a stretch. The verse is very clear.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John makes it even more clear than this in other verses from his epistles.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
As for your opinion of the "mistranslation". It is inconcievable for multiple reasons. The biggest of which is the New Testament was written in Koine Greek. Not aramaic or arabic or hebrew. It was written in the most common tongue in the world at the time so it would spread quickly.
To address your last question. Satan is aware that Jesus is the Son of God. But being aware of that does not mean that he responds accordingly. Jesus was clear on what terms He was to be accepted. You cannot say I accept the King as a good man but not as the King. If you do not accept Him as what He is you do not accept Him at all.
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THE QUESTION IS DOES SATAN KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
Mark 1:23-24
And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying ... I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Mark 3:11
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 5:2-7
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who ... cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
ACCORDING TO YOU THE DEVIL WILL ALSO GO TO HEAVEN? HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS GETTING
BESIDES WHICH YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION INSTEAD YOU POST VERSES YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
2Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
THE QUESTION IS DOES SATAN KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
Mark 1:23-24
And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying ... I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Mark 3:11
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 5:2-7
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who ... cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
ACCORDING TO YOU THE DEVIL WILL ALSO GO TO HEAVEN? HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS GETTING
BESIDES WHICH YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION INSTEAD YOU POST VERSES YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
First of all I answered your question. I told you that just because Satan knows Jesus is the Son of God does not mean that he respects Him or submits to His authority willingly. I would also advise you to hold a civil tongue and stop with the false accusations. I have dealt with you equitably and with respect. To say someone doesn't understand a verse just because he arrives at a different conclusion than you is showing nothing more than your own rude and assuming nature.
Quote from: Peter on October 25, 2010, 08:08:07 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM
I believe that you are attributing meaning that is a blasphemy against GOD. LET ME READ THE VERSE IN PLAIN ENGLISH ........
And then instead of reading in "plain English" you create a lie. That's because you follow the father of lies. You might be able to peddle this foolishness among your weak-minded bible-ignorant fellow Mohammed followers, but it won't wash in here.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM........ SINCE YOU HAVE AN EXTREMELY HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE.
"WHOMSOEVER BELIEVETH IN THE PROPHET JESUS (ALL PROPHETS ARE CALLED SON"S OF GOD ......
Creating your own bible verse, in the mold of the reprobate buffoonery of Ahmed Deedat (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0). Well done!
Pretending God's record says something that it doesn't only hastens your destruction. More blasphemy. You are only fooling yourself. You're not fooling us, and certainly not fooling your judge.
I SEEM TO HIT A NERVE AS ALL TRUTH DOES FROM THE PROPHETS THAT IS WHY THEY WERE OPPOSED< WORSHIP ONE GOD AND EVERYONE GOES MAD WITH DOUBTS AND CONTRADICTIONS.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
REALLY AGAIN RANTING AND RAVING ABOUT THINGS YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE< PROVE MY INTERPRETATION WRONG ARE THE PROPHETS REFERRED TO AS THE SONS OF GOD A YES OR KNOW would do
DO WE SAY "OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN" ANOTHER MISTRANSLATION IT IS OUR "RAB" LORD IN HEAVEN" The Word for Father is "AB" QUITE CLOSE LIKE "IBN" AND "ABD"
BUT THEY USE FATHER TO PROVE THAT WE ARE ALL FAMILY OF GOD AND ONLY A PAGAN WORSHIPPER WOULD SAY LITERAL SON BEGOTTEN LIKE TH PAGANS BEFORE THAT WENT ASTRAY>
Even I am A son of God in the general use of the term. But anyone that isn't possessed by the spirit of antichrist could see the distinction between sons like me and THE singular Son of God in this verse.
THE IS ONLY A DIFFERENCE IF YOU FLLOW PAGAN ROMAN AND GREEK PHILOSOPHY OF GODS not Jewish BIBLES
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
God isn't a Father in Mohammed's cult, contradicting over 234 verses in scripture.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/no_father.htm
There are 47 verses throughout the New Testament that call Jesus THE Son of God, 64 that refer to Him as THE Son, all with the definite article THE, and there are 10 that declare He is begotten of God.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0
HOW MANY DECLARES THAT HE IS SON OF MAN? HOW MANY DECLARE THAT HE IS NOT GOOD ONLY GOD IS GOOD AND HOLY? PLEASE LIST ALL THE THEM FOR ME
The most egregious and only unpardonable sin in Satan's/Mohammed's antichrist 7th century religion is committed if a Muslim confesses that Jesus is the Son of God. So you can peddle your taqiyyah somewhere else.
I AM OPENLY DISCUSSING MY BELIEFS HERE WITH NO TAQIYAH, YOU DONT OWN JESUS AND YOUR NTERPRETATION FLAWED AS IT IS IS NOT THE AUTHORITATIVE OR ONLY ONE THAT IS MISGUIDED< DONT ACT AS IF YOU OWN THE RIGHTS TO INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE. HOW RUDE AND ARROGANT.
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
THAT MAKES SATAN A VERY HOLY THING AS HE DOES NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE HE WOULD KNOW IT WITH CERTAINTY ACCORDING TO YOUR INTERPRETATION
Jesus is THE ONLY begotten Son of God because He was conceived by a virgin by the express will of God. Yet Mohammedanism teaches that there is no distinction among prophets, as you have expressed here.
YOU pretend He is just another son of God.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS ACCOUNTS OF VIRGIN BIRTHS THROUGHOUT MYTHOLOGY, MITHRA IS AN EXAMPLE AND A RELIGION WORSHIPPED IN ROME ATE THE TIME THE BIBLE WAS BEING COMPILED AND THE IDEA OF SOMEONE OF VIRGIN BIRTH CAN BE TRACED TO MITHRA (Religion of the Roman soldiers) what would you do to pleae your army if they believed it and you wanted to introduce a new religion to them? JEUS WAS BORN, CAME DOWN THE TUBE AND PASSED THROUGH THE PLACE OF URINE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US< SOME OF US TWICE< HOW DO HAVE THE GALL TO CALL SOMEONE SO HONORABLE AND HONEST AND GREAT A GOD? THE GREATEST BLASPHEMY THAT JESUS CAME TO WARN YOU AGAINST?
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Satan's filthy book of lies teaches the EXACT OPPOSITE.
CAREFUL< BY YOUR DEFINITION SATAN IS A CHRISTIAN
Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
Blaspheming God and rejecting his love for us, expressed through His record, in exchange for Satan's and his false prophet Mohammed's lies.
EVERYWHERE IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS YOUR LORD GOD IS ONE< NOT A FATHER AND A SON! WHO IS GUILTY OF BLASPHEMY? HEAR YE O ISRAEL YOUR LORD GOD IS ONE.
NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD ring any bells? contradiction? misunderstood verse? a mistake made by a scribe?
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
STILL DOES NOT SAY JESUS IS THE LITERAL SON OF GOD.
IS GOD LIMITED TO ONLY ONE SON? IS ONLY IMPLIES HE IS UNABLE TO CREATE oops BEGET ANOTHER, HOW DOES GOD BEGET ANYWAY, WHAT DOES BEGET MEAN?
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM....... AND ALL WHO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS ONE IS THE FAMILY OF GOD)[/i] .......
The sad thing is that lying purveyors of taqiyyah such as yourself dupe their own children into their destruction as well as perpetuating their own self-delusion.
STOP WITH YOUR VILE ACCUSATIONS< YOU DONT KNOW ME! ANSWER THE QUESTION:
DO WE NOT SAY:
OUR FATHER who art in heaven?
ARE WE TALKING TO OUR FATHER? THE ONE THAT PUT HIS SPIRIT IN US? IS SPIRIT SEED?
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM...... THEY SHALL BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER FOREVER.
I've got news for you. Heaven isn't the chicken and wine surving bordello that Mohammed portrayed, to keep his fellow murdering, rapist, thieves in the game.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0
WHAT NO BLISSFUL LIFE? WHAT KIND OF LIFE THEN? A TERRIBLE LIFE WHERE WE AT WAR WITH FALLEN ANGELS? WAKE UP MAN YOUR DELUSION IS MAKING YOU BRAIN-DEAD> MORE PAGAN MYTHOLOGY? SITTING IN HEAVEN NEAR THE KING WITH JESUS NEXT TO GOD, I THOUGHT YOU SAID JESUS IS GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER? OR ARE THER TWO GODS? WHAT HAPPENS TO I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE? TWO SITTING ON ONE THRONE?
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AMHE THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE JESUS (PROPHET OF GOD and ALL THE PROPHETS ARE SONS OF GOD IN THE BIBLE) SHALL NOT BE GIVEN A BLISSFUL LIFE IN THE HEREAFTER (he will be subjected to something severe) and GOD WILL PUNISH HIM.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
WHAT DOES THAT STATEMENT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? SO I MUST BEWARE OF PEOPLE WRITING IN THE NAME OF GOD? THEY ARE FALSE PROPHETS THAT TALK ABOUT THE BEAST AND MAKE PROPHECIES AND TELL PEOPLE THEIR OPINION OF GOD? SURE I HAVE HARD TIME LISTENING TO PEOPLE WIYH LIMITED INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY TO GRASP THE MESSAGE OF SCRIPTURE.
WHEN THE PROPHETS SAY THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT GOD IS ONE IT MEANS EXACTLY THAT!
WHEN THEY SAY THAT GOD IS NOT A MAN THEY MEAN EXACTLY THAT
WHEN THEY SAY WORSHIP ONLY GOD< THEY MEAN EXACTLY THAT.
But Mohammed didn't even bother with the sheep's clothing but came as a pillaging (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), plundering (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm), murdering (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0), child doing (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=769.msg3047#msg3047), prisoner raping (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1564.0), stepson's only wife taking (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=929.0), sex slave prostituting (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0), concubine fornicating (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.msg3411#msg3411), cheating (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=950.0), blood drenched (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), imperialistic (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geut2COmRLYsMAd.dXNyoA?p=history+islamic+first+jihad+poitiers+france+vienna+austria&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-832&sao=1), conquering (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), terrorist (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=953.0), thief (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0). A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.
YOUR INTERPRETATION IS HIGHLY FLAWED I AHVE READ IT AND CANNOT STAND THE IGNORANT COMMENTS YOU MAKE,
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
THE false prophet isn't the tooth fairy my friend.
IS MUHAMMAD ALIVE? IF YOU SAY NO THEN THAT VERSE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE LINKED TO HIM CAN IT? WHEN WAS THE DEVIL CAST INTO THE FIRE? SO WHERE IS THE DEVIL NOW? ARE WE NO LONGER UNDER HIS INFLUENCE? IS THE FALSE PROPHET NOT DAJJAL (ANTICHRIST) BY ANY CHANCE?
DOES IT MEAN THEY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE? IN THE FIRE FOREVER? FOREVER? ETERNAL LIFE?
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 03:04:18 AM
Please note that aramaic hebrew and Arabic (the Semitic language of the region) does not have upper case and lowers case in the language and there fore son and all letters are written in one case. Addition of Upper case happened only in translations. HENCE MY USE OF UPPER CASE FOR THE ENTIRE VERSE>
Further effort to advance your lie.
IS THAT YOUR RESPONSE TO THE TRUTH?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
FOLLOW JESUS, FOLLOW WHAT HE SAYS AND BELIEVE IN THE GOD (ALLAH) ielaa ielaa Sabachtani?
FOR IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL NOT REACH GOD. Of course he was the truth and the way, he came to show the Jews the path back to God by showing them how to fulfill the law with love. NOT DESTROY THE LAW LIKE A PAGAN DISBELIEVER.
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is MY BELOVED SON , in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
Luk 3:22 ...and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art MY BELOVED SON; in thee I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth HIM THAT BEGAT loveth HIM also THAT IS BEGOTTEN of him.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE SON.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
Surah 9.30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
Don't try to pretend that Mohammed's "Allah" moon god, is the same as the YHWH of Jews and Christians.
Now go kiss your black stone moon god idol.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1240.0
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
NOT A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS IS GOD WORSHIP HIM OR THAT JESUS IS LIKE THE FATHER A GOD?
Joshua 2:11
For the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.
Joshua 3:13
The LORD of all the earth
2 Kings 19:15
Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.
1 Chronicles 16:14
He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
1 Chronicles 16:31
Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.
Ezra 5:11
We are the servants of the God of heaven and earth.
Job 34:13
Who hath given him a charge over the earth? or who hath disposed the whole world?
Psalm 47:2
For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
Psalm 47:7
For God is the King of all the earth.
Psalm 59:13
God ruleth in Jacob unto the ends of the earth.
Psalm 83:18
That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
Psalm 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth
Psalm 97:1
The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice.
Psalm 97:5
The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.
Psalm 99:1
The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble.
Isaiah 37:16
Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.
Isaiah 54:5
The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Micah 4:13
I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
Zechariah 4:14
These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.
Zechariah 6:5
These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the LORD of all the earth.
Matthew 11:25
Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth...
Luke 10:21
Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth...
Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth.
You reject the record that God gave us to follow the stand-alone rantings of A SINGLE 7th century desert dwelling illiterate antichrist as described above. And participate in his thinly repackaged pagan Arabian moon, sun star and jinn-demon worship.
Since the moon god was considered to be the most powerful deity in Arabian Star Family worship it would seem no coincidence that the Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar. Muslims all over the world bow toward the black stone, that pagans venerated as the moon god idol, five times a day. Crescent moons adorn the tops of mosques and decorate national flags. "Fasting" is done during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. Even the favorite shout of Mohammedan suicide murderers - ALLAHU AKBAR - means "Allah is the greatER", which for Arabian moon god worshipers meant that the moon god was the most powerful of all of the Arabian Star Family deities.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#moon_god
ONE MUST CHOOSE.
INDEED One must CHOOSE The religion of those THAT SAYS LAA-IELAAH (LIKE JESUS) ha ILALLAH THERE IS NO GOD WORTHY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT THE GOD AL-THE IELAAH-GOD)
YOUR INTERPREATATION OF ALLAH IS WAY OFF THE MARK WHEN THE QURAN CLEARLY STATES THAT THE GOD OF ALL THE PROPHETS MUST BE WORSHIPPED>
YOUR LIES RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS THAT IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF A MUSLIM SHOWS THE HATRED YOU CAN FOSTER TOWARDS OTHER HUMAN BEINGS, HOW FAR FROM SALVATION
or like a pagan believe in the ROman/greek pholosophy of pagan worship.
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 25, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
THE QUESTION IS DOES SATAN KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
Mark 1:23-24
And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying ... I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Mark 3:11
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 5:2-7
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who ... cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
ACCORDING TO YOU THE DEVIL WILL ALSO GO TO HEAVEN? HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS GETTING
BESIDES WHICH YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION INSTEAD YOU POST VERSES YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
First of all I answered your question. I told you that just because Satan knows Jesus is the Son of God does not mean that he respects Him or submits to His authority willingly. I would also advise you to hold a civil tongue and stop with the false accusations. I have dealt with you equitably and with respect. To say someone doesn't understand a verse just because he arrives at a different conclusion than you is showing nothing more than your own rude and assuming nature.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 30, 2010, 03:23:31 AM
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 25, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
THE QUESTION IS DOES SATAN KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
Mark 1:23-24
And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying ... I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Mark 3:11
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 5:2-7
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who ... cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
ACCORDING TO YOU THE DEVIL WILL ALSO GO TO HEAVEN? HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS GETTING
BESIDES WHICH YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION INSTEAD YOU POST VERSES YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
First of all I answered your question. I told you that just because Satan knows Jesus is the Son of God does not mean that he respects Him or submits to His authority willingly. I would also advise you to hold a civil tongue and stop with the false accusations. I have dealt with you equitably and with respect. To say someone doesn't understand a verse just because he arrives at a different conclusion than you is showing nothing more than your own rude and assuming nature.
I'm not exactly sure what you don't understand. As I stated clearly above that their is more than believing than intellectual assent. It requires obedience and trust. Do you believe Satan typifies these characteristics?
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on October 25, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 25, 2010, 08:21:12 AM
THE QUESTION IS DOES SATAN KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
Mark 1:23-24
And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying ... I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Mark 3:11
And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 5:2-7
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who ... cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
ACCORDING TO YOU THE DEVIL WILL ALSO GO TO HEAVEN? HOW RIDICULOUS IS THIS GETTING
BESIDES WHICH YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION INSTEAD YOU POST VERSES YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
First of all I answered your question. I told you that just because Satan knows Jesus is the Son of God does not mean that he respects Him or submits to His authority willingly. I would also advise you to hold a civil tongue and stop with the false accusations. I have dealt with you equitably and with respect. To say someone doesn't understand a verse just because he arrives at a different conclusion than you is showing nothing more than your own rude and assuming nature.
WHAT YOU SAY IS CONJECTURE WHEN THE BIBLE CLEARLY STAES
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.1 John 5:1
DID SATAN CONFESS THAT JESUS IS CHRIST IS FROM GOD AND THAT HE CAME IN THE FLESH
Luke 4:34
34 “Ha! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us?
I know who you areâ€"cthe Holy One of God.â€
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 30, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
WHAT YOU SAY IS CONJECTURE WHEN THE BIBLE CLEARLY STAES
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
DID SATAN CONFESS THAT JESUS IS CHRIST IS FROM GOD AND THAT HE CAME IN THE FLESH
Luke 4:34
34 “Ha! What have you to do with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you areâ€"cthe Holy One of God.â€
As I have explained to you on more than one occassion their is more to believing than intellectual assent.
pisteuÅ
1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in
a) of the thing believed
1) to credit, have confidence
b) in a moral or religious reference
1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith
2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity
a) to be intrusted with a thing
And as I have told you phrase "believe in my name" translated literally means "believe into my name"
Satan does not believe into Jesus' name. Just like I believe Satan is real but I do not believe in his name.
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 30, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
WHAT YOU SAY IS CONJECTURE WHEN THE BIBLE CLEARLY STAES
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
DID SATAN CONFESS THAT JESUS IS CHRIST IS FROM GOD AND THAT HE CAME IN THE FLESH
Satan is Satan. The test quoted is a test of
SPIRITS not persons. Like the spirit (demon) that Mohammed met in the cave that tried to squeeze him 3 times. The satanic spirit that inspired Mohammedanism.
Thus highlighting the sheer stupidity of Ahmed Deedat's argument.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0
A Satanist could honestly confess that he believes that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.
A liar could lie and claim it and that would make him a true prophet by Ahmed Deedat's test.
That is why we were given a different test for
PERSONS.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son. 23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
How about you friend? Are you an antichrist or will you confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
1Jo 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Will you make that confession or do you prefer the wrath of God?
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,
who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and
hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified,
an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Quote from: Peter on October 30, 2010, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on October 30, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
WHAT YOU SAY IS CONJECTURE WHEN THE BIBLE CLEARLY STAES
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:1
DID SATAN CONFESS THAT JESUS IS CHRIST IS FROM GOD AND THAT HE CAME IN THE FLESH
Satan is Satan. The test quoted is a test of SPIRITS not persons. Like the spirit (demon) that Mohammed met in the cave that tried to squeeze him 3 times. The satanic spirit that inspired Mohammedanism.
Thus highlighting the sheer stupidity of Ahmed Deedat's argument.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0
A Satanist could honestly confess that he believes that Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.
A liar could lie and claim it and that would make him a true prophet by Ahmed Deedat's test.
That is why we were given a different test for PERSONS.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
How about you friend? Are you an antichrist or will you confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Will you make that confession or do you prefer the wrath of God?
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE SATAN ACCEPTED AND WITNESSED JESUS (NOT A QUESTION OF BELIEF) AND HE DID NOT IN ANYWAY REJECT WHAT JESUS SAID. HE DID NOT DENY ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE WHAT JESUS SAID> DID HE?
ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF ONE HUMAN OR SPIRIT THAT CONFESSES AND BELIEVES< HOW ABOUT SOMEONE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY?
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 05:23:48 AM
YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE SATAN ACCEPTED AND WITNESSED JESUS (NOT A QUESTION OF BELIEF) AND HE DID NOT IN ANYWAY REJECT WHAT JESUS SAID. HE DID NOT DENY ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE WHAT JESUS SAID> DID HE?
Hard to figure out what you are asking. If you mean did Satan believe that Jesus existed, yes he did.
Like a Muslim or an agnostic or a secular historian believes that Jesus existed.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 05:23:48 AMANSWER THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF ONE HUMAN OR SPIRIT ......
The test in John 4.2 is of SPIRITS - PERIOD. Like to test the demon that met Mohammed in the cave and squeezed him 3 times. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0
I already showed you
the test of PERSONS.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son. 23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
How about you? Are you an antichrist or will you confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 05:23:48 AM....... THAT CONFESSES AND BELIEVES< .......
Confesses what? That "Allah" was actually Mohammed pretending to receive his self-serving "revelations"? Or....
1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 05:23:48 AM....... HOW ABOUT SOMEONE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY?
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
Don't be silly. It's the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind, through all of His prophets and apostles and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years. Culminating in the new covenant that the Pharisees that you mention specifically rejected because of their traditions.
Against the
STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE, murdering, prisoner raping thief, that trained his followers to bow toward the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1906.0
Trained them to run back and forth between Safa and Marwah 7 times, as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did, before Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0
A preposterous jumble in which one out of every five verses in the oldest Quran, simply don't make sense:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2576.0
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
Don't be silly. It's the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind, through all of His prophets and apostles and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years. Culminating in the new covenant that the Pharisees that you mention specifically rejected because of their traditions.
Against the STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE, murdering, prisoner raping thief, that trained his followers to bow toward the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1906.0
Trained them to run back and forth between Safa and Marwah 7 times, as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did, before Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0
TEL ME GENIUS IF HIS PEOPLE (WHOEVER HE IS) FOLLOWED THE 3500 what need was there for PROPHET AFTER PROPHET? DID THEY NOT DEVIATE FROM TRUE BELIEF? WOULD THEY KNOW THE MESSIA IF THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE COVENANT AND AS YOU SAY HD THE TRUTH ALL ALONG. SO HOW DO YOU (GIVE US THE CONJECTURE) SUPPOSE THEY ENDED BEING CALLED SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AND MONEY CHANGERS AND WHATNOT AND JOHN THE BAPTIST IS SENT (HE HAD A MUCH BIGGERE FOLLOWING) AND JESUS IS SENT TO CORRECT THE BELIEF OF THOSE FOLLOWING THE COVENANT,
THIS IS PROBLEM I HAVE AS CHRISTIANS ARGUE IN THE STYLE OF SATAN THEY POUR ONE OPINION (HALF LIES) ON TOP OF WHOLE LIES (CONJECTURE) AND THEN SAY IT IS FROM GOD WHEN THE SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAYS ACCORDING TO A PERSON.....
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 02, 2010, 02:22:32 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
Don't be silly. It's the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind, through all of His prophets and apostles and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years. Culminating in the new covenant that the Pharisees that you mention specifically rejected because of their traditions.
Against the STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE, murdering, prisoner raping thief, that trained his followers to bow toward the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1906.0
Trained them to run back and forth between Safa and Marwah 7 times, as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did, before Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0
TEL ME GENIUS IF HIS PEOPLE (WHOEVER HE IS) FOLLOWED THE 3500 what need was there for PROPHET AFTER PROPHET?
Because YHWH chose to steadily and progressively reveal Himself over a period of 1600 years.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 02, 2010, 02:22:32 AMDID THEY NOT DEVIATE FROM TRUE BELIEF?
The deviation of men is irrelevant. Following the progressive revelation in the record that God gave us is what matters.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 02, 2010, 02:22:32 AMWOULD THEY KNOW THE MESSIA IF THEY WERE FOLLOWING THE COVENANT ......
Some faithful Jews continue to follow the old covenant as God has scaled over the eyes of some.
You are a GENTILE so the disposition of Jews is irrelevant for you. Not productive for you to dwell on it.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 02, 2010, 02:22:32 AM........ AND AS YOU SAY HD THE TRUTH ALL ALONG. SO HOW DO YOU (GIVE US THE CONJECTURE) SUPPOSE THEY ENDED BEING CALLED SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AND MONEY CHANGERS AND WHATNOT AND JOHN THE BAPTIST IS SENT (HE HAD A MUCH BIGGERE FOLLOWING) AND JESUS IS SENT TO CORRECT THE BELIEF OF THOSE FOLLOWING THE COVENANT,
Jesus brought the new covenant just as it was prophesied to come. Discuss that on that thread AFTER READING IT.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=537.0
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 02, 2010, 02:22:32 AM
THIS IS PROBLEM I HAVE AS CHRISTIANS ARGUE IN THE STYLE OF SATAN THEY POUR ONE OPINION (HALF LIES) ON TOP OF WHOLE LIES (CONJECTURE) AND THEN SAY IT IS FROM GOD WHEN THE SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAYS ACCORDING TO A PERSON.....
CHRISTians follow the sinless Messiah Jesus CHRIST, through the new covenant He brought, through the Gospel.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0
MOHAMMEDans follow the murdering, prisoner raping, thief
MOHAMMED (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=53.0), and his 7th century "laws" through repackaged pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship rituals.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1955.0
Mujaheed, The Gospel of Christ, in addition to Matt 26:28, is also:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also John 14:6-7 (KJV)
From Luke 4:16-20 - And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. 17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. Luke 4:16-21 (KJV)
I could list numerous other scriptures pointing out what Christ himself said about the Good News, but do not have the time for now. Peace
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Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
Don't be silly. It's the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind, through all of His prophets and apostles and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years. Culminating in the new covenant that the Pharisees that you mention specifically rejected because of their traditions.
Against the STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE, murdering, prisoner raping thief, that trained his followers to bow toward the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1906.0
Trained them to run back and forth between Safa and Marwah 7 times, as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did, before Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0
You are so indoctrinated with Roman Empire Arrogance that a Book written by unknown Scribes and Pharisees edited by the Greeks (pagans) and Romans (gentiles) what Are you talking about.
You make false accusations, against a prophet of God ?
Tell me Are all Americans Murderers? DID YOUR NATION NOT GO TO WAR WITH SEVERAL COUNTRIES?
DO YOU ALLOW BROTHELS AND STRIP CLUBS IN YOUR COUNTRY?
DO HAVE CASINOS and MOVIE HOUSES PLAYING OUT MOVIES THAT BREAK ALL TEN COMMANDS IN ONE SCENE?
DO YOU ALLOW YOUR COLLEGE STUDENTS TO ENGAGE IN ILLICIT SEXUAL ACTIVITY AND PROMISCUITY GENERATION AFTER GENERATION>
THE BEAM YOUR EYE IS MUCH LARGER THAN YOU EVER KNOW.
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE MORALS AND ETHICS OF SO CALL FOLLOWERS OF JESUS.
YOU ARE FOUL MOUTHED< RACIST (YOU ARE PREJUDICED AGAINST THE ARABS AND PALESTINIANS AND IRANIANS.
YOU SLANDER THE BELIEF OF ANOTHER, YOU SLANDER THE PROPHET AS NO_one has ever used the words you have against the Prophet.
You present Scripture that is clearly ambiguous, not a single clear verse on Jesus is The Messiah Son of Mary, Slayer of Dajjal the Anti-Christ the False Prophet - Muhammad is not on earth any longer passed away so Jesus cannot return and slay him can he so he is definitely not the false Prophet.
YOUR LOGIC IS HIGHLY FLAWED, IT AS IF YPU CAN ONLY REPEAT THAT WHICH HAS BEEN OPPOSED IN THE YEAR 375 WHEN the BIBLE became official and millions had to be slated to give it credibility.
Please Read the History of Your BIBLE, The History of How Christianity was Spread, Not only The sword was used. Christians Used FIRE, SPEARS, Stakes, Pitch Forks, Knives, Bon fires, Hangings and the Sword and everything at their disposal to bring a Doctrine into the world that is opposed by all the Prophets of GOD.
YOUR REPROBATED ROMANS AND GREEK PHILOSOPHERS TWISTED THE WORDS ACCRDING TO THEIR CULTURES OF FAMILY OF GODS TO MAKE IT PALATABLE. BUT ONE SOON REALISES THE BITTER TASTE THAT IS LEFT IF YOU SWALLOW IT.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
10. You shall not covet your neigbor's wife, house, servants, cattle, etc
Muhammad coveted and taught his people that his covetousness was the apex of holiness
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
Muhammad taught that it is okay to bear false witness in the name of Islam and called it holiness
8. You shall not steal (see #10)
Muhammad acted on his covetousness and called it holiness
7. You shall not commit adultery
Adultery is allowed (by Muhammad) in Islam through "temporary marriages".
6. You shall not murder
Smite them on their necks... anyone... yes, Muhammad. And he called it holiness
5. Honor your father and mother
Can't address this one. I don't know anything about Muhammad's parents or his relationship to them. What I can say is that the birth of a child points to a higher heavenly truth, and denial thereof is dishonor of ones parents.
4. Remember and keep the Sabbath holy
Muhammadans don't keep the Sabbath and call it holiness
3. Do take the name of God in vain.
Muhammad denies the atonement of Jesus... and calls it holy
2. Have no idols... DO NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR SERVE THEM
Black stone in Mecca? Yep. Muhammad. And calls it holy
1. Have no other gods
Muhammad worships only himself. And calls it holy
This is how we know Muhammad is of Satan. He calls evil good and good evil. He breaks all commandments and claims that his transgressions are the apex of holiness. But most of all... he does not believe God. He denies the Son of God
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
10. You shall not covet your neigbor's wife, house, servants, cattle, etc
Muhammad coveted and taught his people that his covetousness was the apex of holiness
You Sorely mistaken and brainwashed and obviously have no regard for the truth. There was no coveting on the Part of the Prophet of ALLAH.
Multiple wives is a common occurrence in the Bible. Monogamy is not mentioned in the Bible but the Quran advises that it is best.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
Muhammad taught that it is okay to bear false witness in the name of Islam and called it holiness
Again a contextually incorrect statement with no basis, no regard for the truth. i have no idea what you referring to??? If you have a gun to my head (Guantanamo ring a bell?) and I must get out, well I would do what it takes, even lie. I have no obligation to respect lying thieving murdering, war mongering armies.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
8. You shall not steal (see #10)
Muhammad acted on his covetousness and called it holiness
?????? You not making any logical sense as usual.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
7. You shall not commit adultery
Adultery is allowed (by Muhammad) in Islam through "temporary marriages".
Really, good Idea, dignified, formal and in a controlled environment. OR do you prefer the American system of letting the women sleep with up to 20 men before they get marriage and write it off to youthful days. Or rather college days. OR if they have to earn they have the freedom to become exotic dancers. Or they can sell themselves to their high school sweetheart that sleeps with them before marriage and have affairs after.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
6. You shall not murder
Smite them on their necks... anyone... yes, Muhammad. And he called it holiness
Yes we live in the real world, we are not pacifist or Monks or deluded into thinking that we will not be persecuted. All the Prophets of God were tortured, persecuted and killed. That is the very essence of the truth, one is opposed like your resistance to accept the truth. You also taking the verse out of context, like all ignorant rebels against God. DID SAMSON KILL 1000 men with the Jawbone of an ASS, DID DAVID Slay Goliath?
Did the crusades enter the holy land and slay everyone (Jews, Muslims and Christains)????? Did the Israelis kill the Palestinians.
Well if we in a position to stop oppression and exploitation of Human beings then it is our duty to smite the enemies of God. If you a law abiding human then it is Illegal for us to even hurt your feelings.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
5. Honor your father and mother
Can't address this one. I don't know anything about Muhammad's parents or his relationship to them. What I can say is that the birth of a child points to a higher heavenly truth, and denial thereof is dishonor of ones parents.
Muhammad was an orphan, The midwife's name translates as the healing, His mothers name translates as the truth, the woman who raised him named translates as best of character and his father was Abdullah (one who is obedient to God). He was orphaned at the age of six.
Try to get a copy of Martin Links Biography of Muhammad (peace be upon him). Educate yourself if you going to participate in discussions.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
4. Remember and keep the Sabbath holy
Muhammadans don't keep the Sabbath and call it holiness
We are muslims like all those who came before, not Mohammedans (betrays your ignorance). We Perfected the Sabbath.
TWO BILLION PEOPLE PUT DOWN THEIR TOOLS AND GO TO THE MASAJIDULLAH (Mosque of ALLAH). To listen to a sermon and Pray.
Sunday Church numbers has never been this low in the world. CHRISTIANS ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING THE SABBATH BY NOT GOING TO CHURCH.
EDUCATE YOURSELF PLEASE< Your Ignorance is Astounding!!!
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
3. Do take the name of God in vain.
Muhammad denies the atonement of Jesus... and calls it holy
You mean "don't " take the name of God in vain. Muhammad denies no such thing, Muhammad has more about the coming of Jesus and the way in which he will slay dajjal (anti-christ) and bring peace to the earth. Jesus Is the Messiah we don't deny that. We don't deny any of the teachings of Jesus. WE UNEQUIVOCALLY DENY WHAT MEN HAVE WRITTEN AND WORDED SO THAT MEN LIKE YOU CAN JUMP TO THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS.
WE DENY ANYTHING THAT GOES AGAINST THE THE FIRST AND HOLIEST OF COMMANDS: HEAR YE O" ISRAEL THE LORD YOUR GOD IS NONE< YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BESIDE ME.
it does not say the lord your God is three worship the father son and holy ghost anywhere in the bible.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
2. Have no idols... DO NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR SERVE THEM
Black stone in Mecca? Yep. Muhammad. And calls it holy
Again an ignorant statement, We bow down to GOD (ALLAH) only. The direction is the Ka'aba, The black stone is not worshipped or an object of any great significance. It has no compulsory acts due to it. ITS A SYMBOL OF REPECT FOR AN ARTIFACT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE KA"ABA FOR A VERY LONG TIME. RESPECT? SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE A FOREIGN CONCEPT IN THIS FORUM>
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
1. Have no other gods
Muhammad worships only himself. And calls it holy
This is how we know Muhammad is of Satan. He calls evil good and good evil. He breaks all commandments and claims that his transgressions are the apex of holiness. But most of all... he does not believe God. He denies the Son of God
YOUR IGNORANCE AND SLANDER OF THE GREATEST PERSONALITY THAT EVER LIVED THAT HAS BENEFITTED YOUR LIFE IN WAYS SO MANY WAYS THAT YOU WOULD DIE OF SHAME IF I WERE TO BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW MANY>
COFFEE COMES FROM THE MUSLIM ARABS< THE FIRST USE OF COFFE WAS TO STAY WAKE TO PRAY TO ALLAH THE WHOLE NIGHT. READ THE HISTORY OF COFFEE.
READ ABOUT THE NUMBERS YOU USE EVERYDAY - COMES FROM THE MUSLIMS- ALGORITHM IS AN RABIC WORD
AS are the following:
admiral - ami:r-al-bahr 'ruler of the seas' (and other similar expressions) - amara command
adobe - al-toba 'the brick'
albacore - al-bukr 'the young camel'
alchemy - al-ki:mi:a: - from Greek
alcohol - al-koh''l 'the kohl'
alcove - al-qobbah 'vault' - qubba vault
alembic - al-ambi:q 'the still' - from Greek
alfalfa - alfas,fas,ah 'fodder'
algebra - al-jebr 'reintegration' - jabara reunite
Algol - al-ghu:l 'the ghoul'
algorithm - al-Khowarazmi 'the (man) of Khiva'
alkali - al-qaliy 'calx' - qalay fry, roast
Allah - `allah, from contraction of al-ilah 'the god'
Almagest - al-majisti - from Greek
almanac - (Andalucian Arabic) al-mana:kh, of uncertain origin
amber - `anbar 'ambergris'
antimony - al-Ãthmid 'antimony trisulphide' - perhaps from Greek
apricot - al-burquq - from Greek
Arab - `arab
arsenal - dar as,s,ina`ah 'house of making', i.e. 'factory' - s,ana`a make
artichoke - al-kharshu:f
assagai - az-zaghayah - from Berber
assassin - h'ashsha:shi:n 'hashish eaters', from the Isma`ili sectarians
attar - `itr 'aroma'
ayatollah - 'ayatu-llah 'miraculous sign of God'
azimuth - as-sumut 'the paths'; see also zenith
azure - al-lazward 'lapis lazuli' - from Persian
barbican - (possibly) bâb-al-baqara 'gate with holes'
berdache - (possibly) bardaj 'slave'
Betelgeuse - bi:t al-jauza:' 'shoulder of the Giant'
bezoar - bazahr - from Persian
bint - bint 'daughter
bled - balad 'vast open country'
borax - bu:raq - from Persian
burka - burqa`
burnouse - burnus
caliber - qali:b 'mold, last' -
calico - Qaliqu:t 'Calicut', city in India
caliph - khali:fah 'successor' - khalafa 'succeed'
camise - qami:s 'shirt' - from Latin
camphor - ka:fu:r - from Malay
candy - short for 'sugar candy', from sugar + qandi 'candied', from qand 'cane sugar' - from a Dravidian language
carat - qi:ra:t 'small weight' - from Greek
caraway - alkarawya: - probably from Greek
carafe - gharra:f - gharafa 'dip'
carmine - qirmazi: 'crimson'
carob - kharrubah
cassock - kaza:ghand 'padded jacket' - from Persian
check - sha:h 'king' - from Persian
checkmate - sha:h ma:t 'the king is dead'
chemistry - see alchemy
chess - from Old French eschecs, plural of check
cipher - s,ifr 'empty'
civet - zaba:d
coffee - qahwah
Copt - quft - from Greek
cork - qu:rq
cotton - qutn
couscous - kuskus - kaskasa pound, bruise
crimson - qirmazi:, related to the qirmiz, the insect that provided the dye
Deneb - danab al-jaja:ja 'tail of the hen'
dhow - da:w
dinar - di:na:r - from Greek
dirham - dirham - from Greek
dragoman - tarjuma:n - tarjama interpret
drub - daraba 'beat'
dura mater - Latin calque on umm al-ghali:dah 'hard mother'
efreet - 'ifri:t 'monster'
El Cid - al-Sayyid 'the lord'
elixir - al-iksi:r 'philosopher's stone' - from Greek
emir - ami:r - amara command
fakir - faqi:r 'poor man' - faqura be poor
fardel - fardah 'load'
Farsi - Fa:rs 'Pars', a province of Iran - from Persian
fatwa - fetwa - fata: instruct by a legal decision
fedayeen - fida:'iyi:n 'commandos' - fida:` redemption
felafel - fala:fil
fellah - fella:h' 'husbandman' - falah'a till
felucca - fulk 'ship' - falaka be round
Fomalhaut - fum u'l-haut 'mouth of the fish'
garble - gharbala 'sift' - perhaps from Latin
gazelle - ghaza:l
genie - jinni: 'spirit'
gerbil - yarbu:`
ghoul - ghu:l 'demon' - gha:la take suddenly
giraffe - zara:fa
hadith - h'adi:t 'tradition'
haj - h'ajj 'pilgrimage' - h'ajja go on a pilgrimage
halal - h'ala:l 'lawful'
halvah - h'alwa:
harem - h'aram 'prohibited, set apart' - h'arama prohibit
hashish - h'ashi:sh 'dried herbs, hemp'
hazard - yásara 'play at dice'
hegira - hijrah 'departure' - hajara separate, go
henna - h'enna:`
Hezbollah - H'izbulla:h 'party of God'
hookah - h'uqqah 'water bottle (through which smoke is drawn)'
houri - h'u:r al-`ayu:n 'with eyes like gazelles' - h'awura have eyes like gazelles
imam - ima:m 'leader' - amma precede
Islam - isla:m 'submission' - aslama submit oneself
jar - jarrah 'large earthen vase'
jasmine - ya:smi:n - from Persian
jinn - jinn 'spirits', plural of genie
julep - jula:b 'rose water' - from Persian
Kaaba - ka`bah 'square house'
kabob - kaba:b - from Persian
kaffir - ka:fir 'infidel' - kafara conceal, deny
keffiyeh - kaffi:yah
khamsin - khamsi:n 'fifty (days)'
kismet - qisma 'portion, lot' - qasama divide
kohl - koh''l 'kohl' - kah'ala stain, paint
Koran - qura:n 'recitation' - qara`a read
lilac - li:la:k - from Persian
lemon - laymu:n - from Persian
lime - li:mah 'citrus fruit'
loofah - lu:fah a plant whose pods were used as sponges
lute - al-`u:d
macramé - miqramah 'striped cloth'
magazine - makha:zin 'storehouses' - khazana store
Mahdi - mahdi:y 'one who is guided aright' - hada: lead
majlis - majlis 'council'
mancala - mank.ala - nak.ala move
marzipan - mawthaba:n 'coin featuring a seated figure'
mask - perhaps maskhara 'buffoon' - sakhira ridicule
mattress - matrah 'place where something is thrown, mat, cushion' - tarah'a throw
minaret - mana:rah - na:r fire
mohair - mukhayyar 'choice (goats'-hair cloth)' - khayyara select
monsoon - mausim 'season' - wasama mark
mosque - masgid - sagada worship
Mozarabic - musta`rib 'would-be Arab'
muezzin - mu'adhdhin 'criers' - adhana proclaim
mufti - mufti: 'one who gives a fatwa'
mujahedeen - muja:hidi:n 'figher in a jihad'
mullah - mawla: 'master'
mummy - mu:miya: 'embalmed body' - mu:m '(embalming) wax'
Muslim - muslim 'submitter' - aslama submit oneself
muslin - Maus,il 'Mosul'
nadir - nadi:r as-samt 'opposite the zenith'
natron - natru:n - from Greek
nizam - nidam 'government'
orange - na:ranj - from Sanskrit
ottoman - `uthma:n, a proper name
pia mater - Latin calque on umm raqi:qah 'tender mother'
popinjay - babagha:
Primum Mobile - Latin calque on al-muh' arrik al-awwal 'the first mover'
racket - râh'et 'palm of the hand' Ramadan - Ramada:n meaning perhaps 'the hot month' - ramata be heated
realgar - rehj al-gha:r 'powder of the cave'
ream - rizmah 'bundle'
rebec - reba:b
Rigel - rijl 'foot (of Orion)'
roc - rukh
rook - rukh - from Persian
Rubaiyyat - ruba:`i:yah 'quatrain'
safari - safari:y 'journey' - safara travel
saffron - za`fara:n
Sahara - çah'ra: 'desert'
sahib - ça:h'ib 'friend'
salaam - as-sala:m `alaikum 'peace be on you'
saluki - salu:k.i: 'from Saluk'
Saracen - sharqi:yi:n 'easterners' - sha:raqa rise
sash - sha:sh 'muslin'
satin - probably zaytu:ni: 'of Zaytu:n' (a city in China)
scarlet - siqilla:t '(cloth) adorned with images' - from Latin
sequin - sikkah 'die for coinmaking'
Sharia - shari:`a
sheikh - shaikh 'old man' - sha:kha grow old
sherbet - sharbah - shariba drink
Shiite - shiya`i:y, from shiya:` 'following, sect' - sha`a follow
shrub [drink] - shurb 'a drink' - shariba drink
sine - Latin sinus, mistranslation of jayb 'chord of an arc, sine', through confusion with jayb 'fold of a garment'
sirocco - sharq 'east (wind)' - sha:raqa rise
sofa - s,uffah 'raised dais with cushions'
souk - su:k. 'marketplace'
spinach - isfa:na:kh
Sufi - çu:fi: 'man of wool'
sugar - sukkar - from Sanskrit
sultan - sulta:n 'sovereign'
sumac - summa:q
Sunni - sunni: 'lawful', from sunna:h 'rule, course'
sura - su:rah
syrup - shara:b 'beverage' - shariba drink
tabbouleh - tabbu:la
tabby - `atta:biy, a neighborhood in Baghdad where taffeta was made
tahini - - tah'ana crush
Taliban - talib 'student' - talaba study
talisman - tilsam - from Greek
tamarind - tamr-hindi: 'date of India'
tambourine - a small tambour, from tanbu:r - from Persian
tandoori - tannu:r 'oven'
tarboosh - tarbu:sh
tare [weight] - tarh'ah 'rejected' - tarah'a reject
tariff - ta`ri:f 'notification' - `arafa notify
tarragon - tarkhu:n - possibly from Greek
tell [mound] - tall 'hillock'
ujamaa - jama:` 'community'
ulema - `ulima: 'the learned ones' - `alama know
Vega - al-nasr al-wa:qi` 'the falling vulture'
vizier - wazi:r 'porter, public servant' - wazara carry
wadi - wa:di:
Waqf - waqf 'religious foundation'
wisdom tooth - from a Latin calque on adra:su 'l h'ikmi - calqued from Greek
zenith - samt 'path'
zero - s,ifr 'empty'
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 04, 2014, 04:46:04 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 02, 2010, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 02, 2010, 02:22:32 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 12:57:30 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
Don't be silly. It's the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind, through all of His prophets and apostles and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years. Culminating in the new covenant that the Pharisees that you mention specifically rejected because of their traditions.
Against the STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE, murdering, prisoner raping thief, that trained his followers to bow toward the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1906.0
Trained them to run back and forth between Safa and Marwah 7 times, as the Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did, before Mohammed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1952.0
You are so indoctrinated with Roman Empire Arrogance that a Book written by unknown Scribes and Pharisees edited by the Greeks (pagans) and Romans (gentiles) what Are you talking about.
This isn't difficult Muj.
I follow the one true God Yahweh, through all of His prophets and witnesses, as his people have through two covenants for 3500 years.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/index.htm
You follow the false prophet Muhammad alone, as his people have for 1400 years.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2656.0
You follow the exact opposite of that revealed through the scriptures. Islam is ANTICHRIST.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/
You have been fooled into worshiping Satan through recycled pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
http://petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm
Fooled into worshiping through Harranian Sabian Ramadan moon worship.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/origin_of_ramadan.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 04, 2014, 04:46:04 AMYou make false accusations, against a prophet of God ?
No I make true and accurate accusations against a reprobate, mass-murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, terrorist, thief, as Muhammad is revealed through your own books.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm
True and accurate accusations against the FALSE prophet, as Muhammad is revealed through the scriptures.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/
While you are a blasphemer of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, Yeshua, the Son of God, the Savior of the world.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3981.msg16169#msg16169
Now since you falsely accused me, of false accusation, I am going to require you answer the following, in regard to my truthful accusations. Let's start with prisoner rape.
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection." (Book #62, Hadith #137)
Plenty more such verses where that came from.
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
So Muj, did the Muhammadans RAPE the women of the Jewish tribes of Medina, or do you believe the little girls and women of the Banu Qurayza DESIRED to have sex with the very men responsible for beheading their sons, husbands, brothers, fathers and grandfathers and the rape of their little daughters, sisters and mothers?http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza
Why don't you ask you wife if someone beheaded her son, husband and father and raped her sister and little daughter, if she would desire to have sex with one of the perpetrators.
Covetousness ---> Muhammad took wives in ways that were not allowed for ANY other believer... Oh, and he wrote the rules for that, too. (Sura 33)
Lying ---> Muhamad lied to his wives (Sura 66)
Theft ---> Caravan Raids http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm
Adultery ---> See Covetousness
Murder ---> See Theft
and on and on
You serve the lawless one.
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Covetousness ---> Muhammad took wives in ways that were not allowed for ANY other believer... Oh, and he wrote the rules for that, too. (Sura 33)
Lying ---> Muhamad lied to his wives (Sura 66)
Theft ---> Caravan Raids http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm
Adultery ---> See Covetousness
Murder ---> See Theft
and on and on
You serve the lawless one.
Thats your interpretation, your opinion, your conjecture and by that yardstick the following can be noted
That makes Christianity the most evil, vile religion on earth as it produces the most immoral unethical people that enter a land (like that of the Appache and Incas) Sanctioned by the Church no less, with Bibles in hand to take the land, gold and slaughter them like they did the Bison for fun.
Or the Crusades that entered the Holy land no less and raped pillaged and looted for the Church, You may know them as the Knights Templar, or do I follow one of the Thousand new age Prophets that "were guided by the hand of God" and started a new church, Mormons, Jehovahs, Catholic, presbyterian, Apostolic, New Apostolic, Lutheran, Orthodox, Evangelsit and my favorite the church of Ellis Skollfield, Which one is correct? Each with their own version of the Bible!!!!
Jesus was sent to the Earth to correct the deviated beliefs of the tribe of Judah (the Jews that did not follow the Religion that God had sent for them but formed a new deviation called Judaism, shortly after the very same people who admired the Roman Empire formed a new deviation and started calling it Christianity. By the Way (who killed Jesus? The Romans instigated by the Jews?)
My short answer is that your ignorance of Islamic history is the stumbling block for you finding the Truth.
WIVES ARE BETTER THAN IN THE SIGHT OF GOD THAN ILLICIT SEXUAL RELATIONS
RAIDS ON CARAVANS WAS AN ARAB CUSTOM, WHEN TRIBES WERE AT WAR
Defending yourself against an enemy or treacherous people is not murder (ask any American if he has the right to destroy other nations)
The Prophet did not commit adultery (The custom of the Arabs is not set by your hypocritical standards.)
Yes and so your Ignorance and hatred and vileness carries on and on and on and on,
You have no arguments against Islam if you sit in judgement of that which God has created and brought into the world.
The condition of every human being is from God, it is up to the individual if he chooses to obey or disobey God after guidance has been presented to him and no man can Judge another, It is better for you to say that The fate of Muhammad (May ALLAH bestow my peace upon him) is in the hands of GOD. Not slander, judge, speak ill and generally portray you ignorance.
Seek Jesus while He may still be found for soon He will be coming as the conquering King. His Kingdom is built on love, joy,compassion,caring,sharing,healing,equality,righteousness,forgiveness, goodness and more.
He loves us so very much He died for you and me while we were all yet sinners. What greater love has a man than this that He laid down His life for a friend?
We ALL have sinned; the wages of sin is death. The FREE gift of YHWH is eternal life through Christ Jesus. TODAY is the day of salvation!Now! There is no time to wait! If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart He is Gods' Son and YHWH raised Him from the dead you will be saved! Jesus stands at the door and knocks. If you hear Him calling, open the door, He will come in and share a meal as FRIENDS. Great darkness and evil are descending on the earth. Seek Jesus now and ask for forgiveness of your sins and turn away from sinning. He LOVES us! This message is URGENT! Seek eternal life now while you can! Place your trust in Jesus. He is the only one who can save any of us in the days ahead. Great calamity is coming very soon to the world.
It is my prayer that
many lost souls worldwide call out for Jesus, that YHWH removes the blinders off the eyes of billions of people so that we may ALL see His truth, and that His protection abounds so that many,many more may come come into to His Kingdom, to bring Him glory and to escape the wrath that is soon to come.I pray for strength,for encouragement for all those who need it, for hope for the hopeless, healings for the sick, for mercy, for justice, for an outpouring of His love and that His love never ceases. I pray for a renewal of faith in His children, older ones and brand new ones alike. I pray for revelation knowledge, dreams and prophecy for all, that everyone shall know YHWHs Truth. It is better to be a member of the family of YWHW than a servant, but far better a servant in the Temple of YWHW than eternal torment.There will be no hiding from YWHW on the soon day of His wrath. Not in a mansion, the woods, a cave or under a rock. The ONLY safe place to be is under the covering of the atoning blood of Jesus the Messiah, the Son of YHWH love LOVES us so much He turned His face away and allowed His Son to die to pay the price for our sins!
Choose today who you will serve, make your decision firm and true; do not waiver.Today is the day of salvation, tomorrow may be too late.
I recommend anyone who is searching for truth, or who is unsure, confused, or overwhelmed as I once was due to the many religions and denominations some have access to, or have not had access to,
to call out for the God of Abraham and tell Him you seek His Truth only, not the interpretations or revelations of any man who may have great intentions but be deceived.
YHWH revealed His plan and Truth to Noah:
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
YHWH revealed His Truth and plan to Abraham that He was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah :
Genesis 18:17 And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
YHWH revealed His Truth to His children and His prophets:
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us (God's children) and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Isaiah 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I TELL YOU of them.
Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Seek YHWH and His Truth. Have a real conversation with Him. He loves knowing how we feel and us seeking His Truth. Ask Him to teach you as if you were a child who knew nothing and allow YHWH to teach you the Truth. Accept what He shows you and be willing to let go of incorrect beliefs as I had to and be willing to follow what He reveals. YHWH is our Father and He loves us very much and wishes that none of us would perish. Our Father, when asked honestly, with an open mind, and a sincere heart will tell the Truth; He is not a man that He should lie.
I am praying for all of us.
May His love surround us in the days ahead. May we feel His presence as He walks with us, and may we all find strength in Him each day to be overcomers.
May His love shine through us all- to others-that someday, they too may give Him praise and glory. In the name of Yahushua HaMashiac (Jesus Christ) I pray, Amen.
Quote from: Mujaheed on November 01, 2010, 11:59:24 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
QuoteGOSPEL OF JESUS!! WHAT GOSPEL OF JESUS, PLEASE SEND ME THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS, I AM NOT AWARE THAT IT EXISTS!!! Don't you mean the Gospels of unknown writers attributing the sketchy documents (copies upon copies by different scribes, possibly pharisees?) to Disciples with no clarification as to the definite identity and the assumed identities randomly attributed to the disciples except PAUl (not a disciple)by the early church t
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Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
SO ITS THE WORDS OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES AGAINST THE WORDS OF A PROPHET OF ALLAH?
No, Muj. The words of Jesus, Son of God (Yashuah ben Ha-Elohim).
I would ask you for proof that these words in the book of John were faked by scribes and pharisees... and please turn off your CAPS for most of the post.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Covetousness ---> Muhammad took wives in ways that were not allowed for ANY other believer... Oh, and he wrote the rules for that, too. (Sura 33)
Lying ---> Muhamad lied to his wives (Sura 66)
Theft ---> Caravan Raids http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm
Adultery ---> See Covetousness
Murder ---> See Theft
and on and on
You serve the lawless one.
Thats your interpretation, your opinion, your conjecture......
2Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9
[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/strong_delusion.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM...... and by that yardstick the following can be noted
That makes Christianity the most evil, vile religion on earth as it produces the most immoral unethical people........
The things commanded of us are horrible aren't they?
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Sure Muj, "the most immoral unethical people" like the folks at:
Mercy Ships - bringing hope and healing around the world
https://www.mercyships.org/about-mercy-ships/the-result/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6qWJIm5II
Voice of the Martyrs - helping the maimed and survivors of those martyred in the name of Jesus around the world.
http://www.persecution.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gHYZmJ2Ww
Currently there are 51 countries where the Gospel is banned or restricted
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
Compassion International - helping kids in need around the world.
http://www.compassion.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJv7SQ9Wvg
Freeing of slaves, enslaved by Muhammad's followers in Africa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc
The Salvation Army
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/
So who's evil Muj? Those kind folks, or a liar that falsely accuses them? Whose followers are accusers of the brethren?
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM....... that enter a land (like that of the Appache and Incas) Sanctioned by the Church no less, with Bibles in hand to take the land, gold and slaughter them like they did the Bison for fun.
Or the Crusades that entered the Holy land no less and raped pillaged and looted..........
Indeed they did. But what you are doing is judging the Gospel by the deeds of UNChristian men, rather than judging their UNChristian behavior according to the Gospel. It included the Roman church murder of Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM......... for the Church, ......
It certainly wasn't for the true church as you are the proof that Muj. What it diid was create a convenient opportunity for those like atheists and Muslims, to accuse the Gospel of Jesus Christ, in efforts to run and hide from the truth.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM....... You may know them as the Knights Templar, or do I follow one of the Thousand new age Prophets that "were guided by the hand of God" and started a new church, Mormons, Jehovahs, ..........
Cults are nothing new. Do you want us to judge your beliefs according to the Ahmadiyya cult, and assign their pop-prophet too you? We don't do that because we know it isn't what you believe. We don't do that because our interest is truth.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM......... Catholic, presbyterian, Apostolic, New Apostolic, Lutheran, Orthodox, Evangelsit and my favorite the church of Ellis Skollfield, Which one is correct? Each with their own version of the Bible!!!!
It is true there are many less than sound versions of the Bible. All it takes is an interest in truth to find it.
However the Quran you have in your hands today, is nothing like the oldest Quran, in which about 1 out of every 5 verses simply don't make sense.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2576.0
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Jesus was sent to the Earth to correct the deviated beliefs.........
That's false. The Messiah was sent to become the Savior of the world, as the sacrificial Lamb of God. That's the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM........ of the tribe of Judah (the Jews that did not follow the Religion that God had sent for them ..........
They did follow Judaism, but leaders has let their traditions make the Word of God of none effect, just like Muhammadans.
Their traditions blinded them to Jesus being the Messiah and Savior of the world just like Muhammadans.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM........ but formed a new deviation called Judaism, shortly after the very same people who admired the Roman Empire formed a new deviation and started calling it Christianity.
Christianity was the name that was applied to those that recognized that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AMBy the Way (who killed Jesus?
Good question Muj. It was the sinful nature of mankind that killed Jesus. It was you and I that killed Jesus, Muj.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AMThe Romans instigated by the Jews?)
That would be an appropriate answer for one of the children of the flesh that is blinded to the things of the Spirit:
http://petewaldo.com/children_flesh.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
My short answer is that your ignorance of Islamic history is the stumbling block for you finding the Truth.
My friend, you are the one that insists on abject ignorance to Islamic NONhistory.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
WIVES ARE BETTER THAN IN THE SIGHT OF GOD THAN ILLICIT SEXUAL RELATIONS
Sure. Even if the marriage is intended to be only 24 hours long.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2590.0
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
RAIDS ON CARAVANS WAS AN ARAB CUSTOM, WHEN TRIBES WERE AT WAR
No it was what cutthroat thieving moral reprobates did, who didn't want to work for a living, like Muhammad and the tribes of the Oas and Kazraj.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Defending yourself against an enemy or treacherous people is not murder (ask any American if he has the right to destroy other nations)
But to advance that self-deluded lie you would have to say the Muhammadans "defended" themselves through imperialistic conquest all the way up to Tours France and Vienna Austria.
From several sources: "The Sword is the key of heaven and hell; a drop of blood shed in the cause of Allah, a night spent in arms, is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer; whoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim."
The Power of the Sword:
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
The Prophet did not commit adultery (The custom of the Arabs is not set by your hypocritical standards.)
Come on Muj:
Sahih Muslim: "It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified (of menses or delivery) in case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.
Let alone that getting caught in an adulterous affair may well be the whole reason Muhammad made up his ridiculous story about riding around on a flying donkey-mule:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.msg13967#msg13967
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Yes and so your Ignorance and hatred and vileness carries on and on and on and on,
Hate Satan? Sure, as a Christian that's my job. But let's get straight where the "vileness" is to be found:
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said,
"We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us
and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." (Book #59, Hadith #459)
Jesus healed the lame so they could walk:
Matthew 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.
(URL) Muhammad brought lameness to the walking:
Bukhari V4 B52 #261 "...they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off." (video)
Jesus brought sight to the blind:
Matthew 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them [those that were] lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
Muhammad brought blindness to the seeing:
Bukhari V4 B52 #261 "Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina)."
Jesus was crucified:
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Muhammad crucified:
Quran 7:124 "Surely I shall have your hands and feet cut off upon alternate sides. Then I shall crucify you every one."
Jesus brought the dead back to life:
John 12:17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
(URL) Mohammed mass murdered the living:
Qur'an Surah 33:26 Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
You have no arguments against Islam..........
We have endless arguments against the ANTICHRIST ANTI-religion of Islam as this forum attests, since it is a murderous cult of a self-proclaimed but imitation intercessor in the person of a violent, imperialistic, innocent Jewish farm boy beheading, captive abusing, self-proclaimed "messenger" who founded an anti-religion - with a scripture-contrary, pre-Muhammad history-devoid, archaeology-absent, geographically-impossible, reality-denying Islamic so-called "tradition" - that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century AD. An anti-religion with a carnal tradition of prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca five times a day - located 1200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - while praying in the "vain repetitions as the heathen do" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even performing thinly veneered Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals as the Quraish did before Muhammad was ever born, and "fasting" during Ramadan as the Sabian moon god worshipers did.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM......... if you sit in judgement of that which God has created and brought into the world.
No Muj, you've got it backwards. It is the very Son of God that you reject and blaspheme who you will be standing before in judgment:
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AMThe condition of every human being is from God, it is up to the individual if he chooses to obey or disobey God after guidance has been presented to him and no man can Judge another, It is better for you to say that The fate of Muhammad (May ALLAH bestow my peace upon him) is in the hands of GOD.
So what might the scriptures suggest in that regard?
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AMNot slander, judge, speak ill and generally portray you ignorance.
Whose ignorance?
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
Quote from: PeteWaldo on February 15, 2014, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Covetousness ---> Muhammad took wives in ways that were not allowed for ANY other believer... Oh, and he wrote the rules for that, too. (Sura 33)
Lying ---> Muhamad lied to his wives (Sura 66)
Theft ---> Caravan Raids http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm
Adultery ---> See Covetousness
Murder ---> See Theft
and on and on
You serve the lawless one.
Thats your interpretation, your opinion, your conjecture......
2Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/strong_delusion.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM...... and by that yardstick the following can be noted
That makes Christianity the most evil, vile religion on earth as it produces the most immoral unethical people........
The things commanded of us are horrible aren't they?
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Sure Muj, "the most immoral unethical people" like the folks at:
Mercy Ships - bringing hope and healing around the world
https://www.mercyships.org/about-mercy-ships/the-result/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6qWJIm5II
Voice of the Martyrs - helping the maimed and survivors of those martyred in the name of Jesus around the world.
http://www.persecution.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gHYZmJ2Ww
Currently there are 51 countries where the Gospel is banned or restricted
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
Compassion International - helping kids in need around the world.
http://www.compassion.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJv7SQ9Wvg
Freeing of slaves, enslaved by Muhammad's followers in Africa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc
The Salvation Army
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/
So who's evil Muj? Those kind folks, or a liar that falsely accuses them? Whose followers are accusers of the brethren?
So you missed the reading of all the slaves that were freed by Muhammad and all his followers, you miss all the lessons and modernity that your entire civilization is built upon. Somehow you miss the millions gallons of Oild thats fueling the entire world pumped from wells in Islamic countries. Maybe you missed the history lesson of the start of the renaissance that start with the Translation of books written in Arabic like the canon of Medicine and IBN SINNA (stolen by the Italians and passed off as Avecenna and Averoes (IBN RUSHD)??? You also missed the fact that the coffee you start you day with comes from the Muslims or maybe you forgot to educate yourself about your own history of the Bible!!
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Most of these Groups are spies for the American Inteleigence, They Gather Intel and what follows is death and bloodshed, name one country they helped and saved from an American invasion, one country they Christianised, There Are more muslims giving charity and feeding the poor than all the Nations put together
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Do you know who wrote revelations??? Its not Scripture but again a light that came to an individual on the Island of Patmos. ???? You Quoting an unknown author that has been given Credence by the very Roman Catholics you curse
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
The Power of the Sword:
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
The general problem with this forum is the belief that what you have in scripture is subject to your interpretation, as the people who took it upon themselves to translate the opinions of those who wrote the Scriptures with their own hands and presented it as the truth. You failing to accept that simple truth. None of your rhetoric is new. this has been the way irreligious men argue since the time of Moses.
The battles is in keeping with the law all the Prophets came with. It is precisely the way to fight violence and murderers posing as good people and judging the world by their own standard of vileness. You have no case against Islam. It is a divine decree taking every human condition into consideration, if you read the bible its exactly that. The Error of humans and inclination towards wrongdoing and straying (does not nullify repentance and does not imply blood must be shed of a human to reach a remission) Blood of the evil enemy willing to die for his beliefs that has to be spilled to reach an everlasting peace. Jesus will be coming again to slay the Antichrist and all that is with him, The Muslims are the only ones paving the way for that army. Christianity has died a slow death 1001 Sects differing and disagreeing all vying for position just like you are, fragmented and few in number, too ineffective to even recognize their own downfall. Count the number of True Christians and let me know how many you are against 2 billion muslims.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 17, 2014, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: PeteWaldo on February 15, 2014, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM
Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Covetousness ---> Muhammad took wives in ways that were not allowed for ANY other believer... Oh, and he wrote the rules for that, too. (Sura 33)
Lying ---> Muhamad lied to his wives (Sura 66)
Theft ---> Caravan Raids http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm
Adultery ---> See Covetousness
Murder ---> See Theft
and on and on
You serve the lawless one.
Thats your interpretation, your opinion, your conjecture......
2Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/strong_delusion.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 05, 2014, 01:35:19 AM...... and by that yardstick the following can be noted
That makes Christianity the most evil, vile religion on earth as it produces the most immoral unethical people........
The things commanded of us are horrible aren't they?
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. 31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Sure Muj, "the most immoral unethical people" like the folks at:
Mercy Ships - bringing hope and healing around the world
https://www.mercyships.org/about-mercy-ships/the-result/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6qWJIm5II
Voice of the Martyrs - helping the maimed and survivors of those martyred in the name of Jesus around the world.
http://www.persecution.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_gHYZmJ2Ww
Currently there are 51 countries where the Gospel is banned or restricted
http://www.persecution.com/public/restrictednations.aspx?clickfrom=bWFpbl9tZW51
Compassion International - helping kids in need around the world.
http://www.compassion.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjJv7SQ9Wvg
Freeing of slaves, enslaved by Muhammad's followers in Africa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc
The Salvation Army
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/
So who's evil Muj? Those kind folks, or a liar that falsely accuses them? Whose followers are accusers of the brethren?
So you missed the reading of all the slaves that were freed by Muhammad and all his followers, you miss all the lessons and modernity that your entire civilization is built upon. Somehow you miss the millions gallons of Oild thats fueling the entire world pumped from wells in Islamic countries. Maybe you missed the history lesson of the start of the renaissance that start with the Translation of books written in Arabic like the canon of Medicine and IBN SINNA (stolen by the Italians and passed off as Avecenna and Averoes (IBN RUSHD)??? You also missed the fact that the coffee you start you day with comes from the Muslims or maybe you forgot to educate yourself about your own history of the Bible!! Quote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Most of these Groups are spies for the American Inteleigence, They Gather Intel and what follows is death and bloodshed, name one country they helped and saved from an American invasion, one country they Christianised, There Are more muslims giving charity and feeding the poor than all the Nations put togetherQuote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Do you know who wrote revelations??? Its not Scripture but again a light that came to an individual on the Island of Patmos. ???? You Quoting an unknown author that has been given Credence by the very Roman Catholics you curseQuote from: ExMilitary on February 04, 2014, 11:11:01 PM
The Power of the Sword:
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
The general problem with this forum is the belief that what you have in scripture is subject to your interpretation, as the people who took it upon themselves to translate the opinions of those who wrote the Scriptures with their own hands and presented it as the truth. You failing to accept that simple truth. None of your rhetoric is new. this has been the way irreligious men argue since the time of Moses.
The battles is in keeping with the law all the Prophets came with.
What law?What you mean is mean the "law" of Satan that Muhammadans received through Satan's messenger Muhammad?
At least you finally admit that your god is about imperialistic aggression, conquest and murder of innocents.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
There is no such law. Here is what we are instructed:
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 17, 2014, 06:12:56 PMIt is precisely the way to fight violence and murderers posing as good people and judging the world by their own standard of vileness. You have no case against Islam.
Islam handily makes the case against itself:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm
More particularly the mass murdering, child doing, terrorist imperialistic aggressor and thief Muhammad, made the case against himself:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm
That's why freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination are the very antitheses of Muhammad's antichrist anti-religion.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 17, 2014, 06:12:56 PMIt is a divine decree taking every human condition into consideration, if you read the bible its exactly that. The Error of humans and inclination towards wrongdoing and straying (does not nullify repentance and does not imply blood must be shed of a human to reach a remission) Blood of the evil enemy willing to die for his beliefs that has to be spilled to reach an everlasting peace. Jesus will be coming again to slay the Antichrist ........
Indeed He has and He will continue to:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 17, 2014, 06:12:56 PM....... and all that is with him, The Muslims are the only ones paving the way for that army.
But the Muslims are the antichrists, according to the scriptures. You are on the wrong side my friend. You can wish it weren't so, but that won't change the reality. You could die this very hour my friend.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 17, 2014, 06:12:56 PMChristianity has died a slow death 1001 Sects differing and disagreeing all vying for position just like you are, fragmented and few in number, too ineffective to even recognize their own downfall. Count the number of True Christians and let me know how many .......
I believe it is true we are going through the prophesied apostasy. I explore it extensively here:
http://www.christianeschatology.com/falling_away_apostasy.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 17, 2014, 06:12:56 PM....... you are against 2 billion muslims.
The kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. You lust after their conquest because you are on Satan's team.
Satan and his followers have always persecuted and murdered Christians. In Muhammad's day they conquered to steal the fruit of the labor of others and to rape and sexually enslave the women of the vanquished.
Why would we expect anything different Muj?
Here's a snapshot of what's been going on in Nigerian towns, from Nigeria Calabash:
12/28/2012 Musari: Islamists tie up fifteen women and children inside a church, then slit their throats while shouting praises to Allah.
12/26/2012 Bachit: Suspected Fulani murder three villagers, including a married couple, in attacks on two Christian homes.
12/25/2012 Peri: A pastor and five worshippers are slaughtered in a Religion of Peace attack on a Christmas morning church service.
12/25/2012 Rim: A Christian is killed in his home by Fulani gunmen in front of his family.
12/24/2012 Maiduguri: Six people are killed in a Christmas Eve church attack by Religion of Peace gunmen.
12/6/2012 Yankaba: Two Christian teenagers are executed by gunmen on a motorcycle yelling, 'Allah akbar'.
12/2/2012 Chibok: Religion of Peace proponents invade a Christian village in the middle of the night and massacre ten residents.
12/1/2012 Gamboru Ngala: Two guards die when Muslims shouting 'Allah Akbar' burn churches.
11/25/2012 Jaji: Two suicide bombers massacre fifteen worshippers at a Protestant church.
11/22/2012 Bichi: Angry Muslims riot, burn churches and kills four Christians over a rumor of blasphemy concerning a t-shirt."
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm
Just as you have convinced yourself that Muhammadans are murdering in the cause of the one that the Arabian pagan's named "Allah", it's easy for non-Muslims to see the spirit of antichrist that is behind Muhammadan murder Muj.
It's so sad that someone could allow themselves to become so inverted, that they believe that the God of love, and freedom and liberty, would instead be about hate and murder, conquest and subjugation, theft of the fruit of the labor of others, raping and sexually enslaving women, subduing people in bondage and stealing their freedom, liberty and right to self-determination. Doesn't that make you wonder just a little, just who you are serving Muj. Who do you think it is that makes you hate Jews Muj?
Curosity.....Muj.
If Islam is so peaceful as you say it is, then why do you have 123 killing verses in the Quran alone? Statements that ONLY Muhammad can make since he is the one and only creator of Islam. These are open ended killing verses. What I mean is that there was no attack on Islam. Muslims killed people that were not Muslims strictly based on their beliefs.
If Muslims are not killers, as you suggest, (as well as Muhammad) then what are all those verses doing in the Quran?
Remember, these verses ARE NOT defensive verses. They are offensive verses. There is a difference, Muj. Listen to the context of the verse. Take this one. To me, very simple to understand.
Sura 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only. Not Jesus or any of the other prophets. Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
War could be as simple as blaspheming Muhammad. You know, hurting his feelings or something like that. Muslims KILL people for putting down their lovely prophet.
Who stated this message for the first time? Muhammad did. Your peaceful loving Muhammad! Look. If Jesus was to say what was written in Sura 5:33 and that and it was written all over the Bible, you'd be all over it, drooling over it saying "See, see? Jesus is a murderer!" I bet that would just make your day! We see that verse in the Quran in black and white and yet you ignore it. WHY???
Answer that one for all of us!
Why do you ignore Muhammad's own words in Sura 5:33?
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
That is the way of the Prophets (the Prophets of God shed their Blood to bring GOD INTO THE LIVES OF MANY thereby the remission of sins can be achieved. You have to keep in mind the reason God sent the prophets and that is to take man out of the slavery of man and in the slacery of GOD. To become a worshipper, believer and child of GOD.
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
The question of who was on the cross is simple to understand when taking all the factors into account, especially the last part of taking incense and myrrh into the tomb, the fact that it was passover and the fact that the body was not buried immediately as the Jews do all point to the fact that it was not Nabi EESA nor was the person dead (google Jesus Tomb in Kashmir) nor were they prepping the body to bury it. The evidence is in the scripture if you would just read it without conjecture and interpolations
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
Your judgment is clouded by your indoctrination. You have not investigated Islam, that is why i find it so easy to refute your arguments. You have no understanding of Prophethood or the purpose of mankind or what God wants from God Fearing people. Your focus is on a 0,000001% of 2 billion people WHAT COUNTRY DID MUSLIMS ENTER AND AS SOLDIERS AND KILL THE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AM
The evidence is in the scripture if you would just read it without conjecture and interpolations
In other words, you say
the Bible is NOT trustworthy because the scribes and other men have completely polluted it...
Then you encourage us to, read it "without conjecture" and trust what it says? ???
This is another common contradiction within Islam. Sura 3:78 "And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, 'This is from Allah ,' but it is not from Allah . And they speak untruth about Allah while they know"
So, here we have the Quran (written no earlier than the 6th century) talking about people that alter the scripture (the known Bible) with their tongues.
Yet, the scripture available in the 6th/7th century to Muhammad IS THE SAME SCRIPTURE available to us today. You can google and view the actual manuscripts that were being used in the 6th/7th century. We have written and dated historical evidence of the scripture used in the Arabian peninsula during the 6th/7th century. Hence, we have undeniable evidence as to what it was that Muhammad was referring to when he was talking about scripture.
These same scriptures (that Muhammad was referring to) declare, in very direct wording, that Jesus died on the cross, was buried and resurrected. Paul is very clear on these points, and Paul's letters were considered scripture in the 6th/7th century. We have THE manuscripts that were being used in the 6th/7th century, and there is no doubt as to what Paul was saying.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all
he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
How can you not see this glaring contradiction, Muj?
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
That is the way of the Prophets (the Prophets of God shed their Blood to bring GOD INTO THE LIVES OF MANY thereby the remission of sins can be achieved.
While that is false as there is only one man's blood in the Christian era through which sins can be remitted, it is amusing that you would suggest such a thing, since
your own "prophet" died in a whimper in bed from the after-effects of a poisoning!
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=949.0
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AMYou have to keep in mind the reason God sent the prophets and that is to take man out of the slavery of man and in the slacery of GOD.
Yet the fact is that 1400 years of Islamic slavery, has been about Muhammad's followers enslaving others to themselves.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm
"A comparison of the Islamic slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Islamic slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.
While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!
While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.
While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.
While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth."
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Slavery
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AM
Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Mohammedans are indoctrinated "WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" as to what to believe, but as to what to DISbelieve. And that is to DISbelieve the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
That is the way of the Prophets (the Prophets of God shed their Blood to bring GOD INTO THE LIVES OF MANY thereby the remission of sins can be achieved. You have to keep in mind the reason God sent the prophets and that is to take man out of the slavery of man and in the slacery of GOD. To become a worshipper, believer and child of GOD.Quote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him...
The question of who was on the cross is simple to understand when taking all the factors into account, especially the last part of taking incense and myrrh into the tomb, the fact that it was passover and the fact that the body was not buried immediately as the Jews do all point to the fact that it was not Nabi EESA nor was the person dead (google Jesus Tomb in Kashmir) nor were they prepping the body to bury it. The evidence is in the scripture if you would just read it without conjecture and interpolations
Look at all the dancing around!
Don't you even amaze yourself sometimes Muj? First you go on about about how you believe some random prophet's blood achieves remission of sin, yet somehow you can't see that it is Satan himself, that forces you deny and reject
the only prophet's blood of sacrifice that has mattered in this Christian era?
Come on, "conjecture and interpolations"? It's called witnesses, not the lies of some random SW Arabian desert dwelling antichrist illiterate, that came along over 500 years after the scriptures were closed.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Mark 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
I did it again. I pushed "edit" instead of "quote" on Muj's post. Fortunately it is entirely included in my replies to it. I'll try to reconstruct it.
(later: I think I succeeded OK)
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AMQuote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
Your judgment is clouded by your indoctrination. You have not investigated Islam, that is why i find it so easy to refute your arguments. You have no understanding of Prophethood or the purpose of mankind or what God wants from God Fearing people. Your focus is on a 0,000001% of 2 billion people WHAT COUNTRY DID MUSLIMS ENTER AND AS SOLDIERS AND KILL THE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY.
(http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/0ac26170.png)
The Power of the Sword:
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
Quote from: PeteWaldo on February 21, 2014, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AMQuote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
Your judgment is clouded by your indoctrination. You have not investigated Islam, that is why i find it so easy to refute your arguments. You have no understanding of Prophethood or the purpose of mankind or what God wants from God Fearing people. Your focus is on a 0,000001% of 2 billion people WHAT COUNTRY DID MUSLIMS ENTER AND AS SOLDIERS AND KILL THE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY.
(http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/0ac26170.png)
The Power of the Sword:
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
Whats your point? The success of Islamic conquests? The fact that human beings responded positively to changing to the truth and that there were people opposed to the truth?
Truth will always be opposed, from Adam to Muhammad one fact is certain that the prophet or his followers will be opposed. Defending the truth is admirable and the standing back while evil is left unchecked is tantamount to condoning it like the stance you taking.
Truth will always be opposed and thus the enemies of truth will try to quell the spread of it like you currently doing on the internet.
You either on the side of God or you are against him. Non violent passive resistance is a Ghandian Theory that failed and led to the slaughter of millions.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 02:40:38 PM
Quote from: PeteWaldo on February 21, 2014, 10:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 08:24:10 AMQuote from: Peter on November 01, 2010, 09:47:10 AM
Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
Your judgment is clouded by your indoctrination. You have not investigated Islam, that is why i find it so easy to refute your arguments. You have no understanding of Prophethood or the purpose of mankind or what God wants from God Fearing people. Your focus is on a 0,000001% of 2 billion people WHAT COUNTRY DID MUSLIMS ENTER AND AS SOLDIERS AND KILL THE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY.
(http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/0ac26170.png)
The Power of the Sword:
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 02:40:38 PM
Whats your point? The success of Islamic conquests? The fact that human beings responded positively .........
Sure, everybody always responds positively to an army of mass murdering, rapist, thieves, coming to conquer you, rape your women, steal the fruit of your labor, and compel you to prostrate to a pagan black stone idol in the SW Arabian desert.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 02:40:38 PM........ to changing to the truth and that there were people opposed to the truth?
No Muj. Truth doesn't change.
What happened was the truth was exchanged for a lie, and then truth was banned, just as it remains in so many Islamic slave states today.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 02:40:38 PM
Truth will always be opposed, ........
Indeed the truth has been opposed by Muhammadans for 1400 years. Even murdering their own for the "crime" of "apostasy" for coming to know the love of the one true God through a relationship with Jesus Christ.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 02:40:38 PM....... from Adam to Muhammad one fact is certain that the prophet or his followers will be opposed. Defending the truth is admirable and the standing back while evil is left unchecked is tantamount to condoning it like the stance you taking.
Yet the evil of Islam remains unchecked, just as prophesied of THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast" that hides and attacks from behind their own women and children. That specifically targets women and children.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent†of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should be obvious to all non-Muslims, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 21, 2014, 02:40:38 PMTruth will always be opposed and thus the enemies of truth will try to quell the spread of it like you currently doing on the internet.
You either on the side of God or you are against him. Non violent passive resistance is a Ghandian Theory that failed and led to the slaughter of millions.
All posts will be moved to spam until you reply to the posts you have been ignoring on the list at this link. Make it a thoughtful reply because you are only going to reply to one at a time and then wait for a response to your reply. Any other posts will go to your spam:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4045.0
Muj....
Are you going to ignore my question? I asked you specifically this and you passed it on by.
Answer this question please.
Quote from: Bistabuster on February 18, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
Curosity.....Muj.
If Islam is so peaceful as you say it is, then why do you have 123 killing verses in the Quran alone? Statements that ONLY Muhammad can make since he is the one and only creator of Islam. These are open ended killing verses. What I mean is that there was no attack on Islam. Muslims killed people that were not Muslims strictly based on their beliefs.
If Muslims are not killers, as you suggest, (as well as Muhammad) then what are all those verses doing in the Quran?
Remember, these verses ARE NOT defensive verses. They are offensive verses. There is a difference, Muj. Listen to the context of the verse. Take this one. To me, very simple to understand.
Sura 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only. Not Jesus or any of the other prophets. Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
War could be as simple as blaspheming Muhammad. You know, hurting his feelings or something like that. Muslims KILL people for putting down their lovely prophet.
Who stated this message for the first time? Muhammad did. Your peaceful loving Muhammad! Look. If Jesus was to say what was written in Sura 5:33 and that and it was written all over the Bible, you'd be all over it, drooling over it saying "See, see? Jesus is a murderer!" I bet that would just make your day! We see that verse in the Quran in black and white and yet you ignore it. WHY???
Answer that one for all of us!
Why do you ignore Muhammad's own words in Sura 5:33?
Keep him on topic Bista. If he adds any unrelated material in answer to your point, don't spend your time responding to it as I will move his post to spam or simply discard it until he can focus in simply reply.
If you have any other posts he has ignored in any other threads, that you want him to address, please provide links in a post on the thread at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=4045.0
Quote from: Bistabuster on February 23, 2014, 01:29:58 PM
Muj....
Are you going to ignore my question? I asked you specifically this and you passed it on by.
Answer this question please.
Quote from: Bistabuster on February 18, 2014, 01:54:33 PM
Curosity.....Muj.
If Islam is so peaceful as you say it is, then why do you have 123 killing verses in the Quran alone? Statements that ONLY Muhammad can make since he is the one and only creator of Islam. These are open ended killing verses. What I mean is that there was no attack on Islam. Muslims killed people that were not Muslims strictly based on their beliefs.
If Muslims are not killers, as you suggest, (as well as Muhammad) then what are all those verses doing in the Quran?
Remember, these verses ARE NOT defensive verses. They are offensive verses. There is a difference, Muj. Listen to the context of the verse. Take this one. To me, very simple to understand.
Sura 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only. Not Jesus or any of the other prophets. Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
War could be as simple as blaspheming Muhammad. You know, hurting his feelings or something like that. Muslims KILL people for putting down their lovely prophet.
Who stated this message for the first time? Muhammad did. Your peaceful loving Muhammad! Look. If Jesus was to say what was written in Sura 5:33 and that and it was written all over the Bible, you'd be all over it, drooling over it saying "See, see? Jesus is a murderer!" I bet that would just make your day! We see that verse in the Quran in black and white and yet you ignore it. WHY???
Answer that one for all of us!
Why do you ignore Muhammad's own words in Sura 5:33?
Islam is the perfection of Religion. It is complete and perfected in all respects. The waging of war against the enemies of ALLAH (God) is perfected in the Quran. The first injunction is that there must be a just leader that is righteous and knowledgable. The second is that the peaceful propagation of the word of God is not possible (not allowed) and that the people are not subjected to a tyrant ruler (like a Zionist State). I take it that you not very a very sophisticated person and not very educated either so hears the simple truth. NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO FOLLOW HIS VAIN DESIRES ESPECIALLY A MUSLIM. HE HAS TO OBEY ALLAH, OBEY THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH AND FOLLOW A RIGHTEOUS LEADER. Unlike Christians no Muslim is allowed to enter into any type of aggression on his own!!!!. The rules of engagement is very specific and the Quran cannot be understood in absence of the Hadith. The QURAN (Scripture) gives the Command the Hadith tells you how to Implement it correctly as conveyed by a learned scholar.
SO Your interpretation of the translation is very rudimentary and crude at best. Do not try with your limited understanding of GOD, to interpret the Words of God in your own way, according to your indoctrination and deviated mind. It does not work.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 24, 2014, 06:29:12 AMIslam is the perfection of Religion. It is complete and perfected in all respects. The waging of war against the enemies of ALLAH (God) is perfected in the Quran. The first injunction is that there must be a just leader that is righteous and knowledgable. The second is that the peaceful propagation of the word of God is not possible (not allowed) and that the people are not subjected to a tyrant ruler (like a Zionist State).
You say the Bible is written with unknown authors. I can see that you never studied the Bible with an open heart. Just a Muslim's point of view on how he sees the Bible from a Quranic interpretation view of the Bible. These ARE the authors of the Bible of whom you know nothing about. I'm just going to mention the New Testament authors.
1. Matthew
2. Mark
3. Luke
4. John
5. Peter
6. Paul
7. Timothy
8. James
9. Titus
10. Jude
So far I have 10 known authors whose records are proven, who have written segments of the New Testament and each and every one on them is saying the exact same story about Jesus Christ being the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins and was raised on the third day to prove that Jesus was who he said he was.
What do you have? Only one writer (or, in this case, creator) of the Quran. That's it. There are no more. Only Muhammad. In this case, the perfected leader, as I understand you, being Muhammad. Tell me. Would you believe Muhammad if he were to tell you that Muhammad was the prophet of god WITHOUT ANY WITNESSES WHATSOEVER because he said so or would you believe Muhammad is a prophet because the whole city HEARD god say Muhammad will be your prophet?
It is apparent that you believe what Muhammad said WITHOUT ANY WITNESSES because Muhammad had no witnesses. I choose to have proof on that. Just because you say Islam is real, without any facts, doesn't make it so unless you're that stupid to believe in a fairytale without physical evidences to support it. The only evidence you give us is heresay.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 24, 2014, 06:29:12 AMNOBODY IS ALLOWED TO FOLLOW HIS VAIN DESIRES ESPECIALLY A MUSLIM. HE HAS TO OBEY ALLAH, OBEY THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH AND FOLLOW A RIGHTEOUS LEADER. Unlike Christians no Muslim is allowed to enter into any type of aggression on his own!!!!. The rules of engagement is very specific and the Quran cannot be understood in absence of the Hadith. The QURAN (Scripture) gives the Command the Hadith tells you how to Implement it correctly as conveyed by a learned scholar.
Key words. Learned Scholar. You are NOT a learned scholar. If you were, then you would have no choice but to agree with the abrogation verses of the Quran. Point of this being is if you were truly a professor and super knowledgeable in the Quran, then you would know and understand that the peaceful verses have been abrogated and replaced primarily with this verse that sums up everything else.
Sura 9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Son, Allah IS NOT forgiving and merciful. If you truly think he is, then think again.
Quote from: Mujaheed on February 24, 2014, 06:29:12 AMSO Your interpretation of the translation is very rudimentary and crude at best. Do not try with your limited understanding of GOD, to interpret the Words of God in your own way, according to your indoctrination and deviated mind. It does not work.
My interpretation is this. We have only two makers of the Quran. Either one of two entities can give commands in the Quran among your other documented sources. It will either be Muhammad or Allah.
So, who gave this command?
Sura 5:33 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only. Not Jesus or any of the other prophets. Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
Either it's Muhammad or Allah for it can be nobody else. That is, unless you can show all of us if there were any other prophets around the time of Muhammad that also contributed to the writings of the Quran that had the authority to add or remove information within the Quran. Hint. It can't be any of the New Testament people for they have all died already before Muhammad ever came on the scene.
If Allah spoke this message, then Allah wants you to have us, who blaspheme the Quran and associated writings, to either be killed or crucified, hands and feet cut off on opposite sides or be exiled because we are a disgrace to Allah! If Muhammad said so, and god doesn't operate that way, as you seem to be saying, then the Quran is a lie for the Quran specifies 123 loving times directly to kill any non Muslims for this god ONLY loves Muslims. Not Jews. Not Christians. Not atheists. Only Muslims. There are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell for the people Allah hates.
Sura 4:56 Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise Wise indeed. Sounds evil to me.
Sura 9:73 O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination
Sura 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve
Bukhari 59:727 Allah's Apostle [said]... "Allah's curse be on the Jews and the Christians" This was spoken on Muhammad's death bed, and was one of the last things that he ever said.
Read the whole story and thus, that is why it is necessary for Muslims, like yourself, according to your own prophet, Muhammad, to destroy the Christians and Jews throughout the world. Tell me Muj. If this is not the way of Islam and your beloved prophet, Muhammad, then why are these people killing Christians and Jews
In The Name of Islam? Is there some other religion called Islam that isn't your Islam that reads the same books? I wonder. Ah, yes. It must be the Jews killing the Christians and Jews screaming "Allahu Acbar" which is an Islamic term.
Man, what a loving god you have. Son, that's what it says to do. How specific does it need to be? If this is
NOT a killing verse, then I'm frightful as to what a real killing verse might just be like.
I gave Muj some chill time to compose himself. I'm not the only one that got a belly full of his raw blasphemy. However since Muhammad is his only reason for hating the Gospel, when he returns he will not be allowed to post on any subject, until after he provides a reasonable historical and archaeological record that suggests that Mecca existed before the Christian era - like that which Jews and Christians have for Jerusalem.
Perhaps once he finds he is unable to come up with such evidence - even though other, even tiny, ancient Arabian towns are very well attested in the historical and archaeological records - perhaps then he can begin to overcome Muhammad's counter-Gospel, antichrist, anti-religion. I don't think we were doing him any favors by letting him continue as his blasphemy only got worse and worse.
He may not ever come back! :o