http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1cwr_gcsk
worthyisthelamb247 2 months ago
IF YOUR TRYING TO CLAIM A FULFILLED PROPHESY THAT JESUS CHRIST, MESSIAH, LORD AND SAVIOR FULFILLED.
ARE YOU TRYING TO CLAIM muhd WAS THE MESSIAH?
PROVE YOUR muhd WAS A PROPHET.
NO MUSLIM CAN EVEN PROVE muhd WAS A PROPHET!
777 2 months ago
Is Muhammad a prophet or a messiah? Muhammad made it very clear in his teachings that he was not the Messiah. He was a prophet who brought Allah's revelation to the people
Hans021220 2 months ago
There is absolutely no single verse in The Bible telling about Mohammed or Islam!
hrharmer 1 week ago
Wooo... the first moslem's terrorist, the rapist, the looter's name ... in the Bible? What's incredible! Could you help me to find Hitler or Polpot's name too? Sincerely from me: non Jew non Christian
PeteWaldo 21 minutes ago
Pure fiction. Jews & Christians recognize the prophet like unto Moses was a MESSIANIC prophecy. Confirmed in Jesus Christ.
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Regarding the Baca=Mecca foolishness why not read the very next verse?
84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
watch?v=eLsniG47IO8
Mecca is 1200 KM away
PeteWaldo 8 minutes ago
Abraham DISOWNED Ishmael
Gen 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH my son, [even] with ISAAC.
Gen 21:12 ... for IN ISAAC shall thy seed be called.
Even Yahweh Himself no longer recognized Ishmael as a son of Abraham
Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, THINE ONLY [SON] ISAAC, whom thou lovest....
watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM
Regarding the Paran nonsense
watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
PeteWaldo 1 minute ago
@Hans021220 Verses re Muhammad and his Islamic kingdom (beast).
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
But Mohammed even came as a ravening wolf.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s
On 2-14, 7770 sent the following video
[[[[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCeARSt1oOo ]]]]
2-15
I received your video, and concur that there is indeed one God, because that is what the Gospel teaches.
Mark 12:29 ... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
Now could you please tell me on WHAT BASIS you reject the historically and geographically perfectly plausible, and accurate, and evermore archaeologically confirmed, account of Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael found in scripture?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
2-15
In The Name of God The Most Gracious The Most Merciful
6:(161) Say: "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith, and he (certainly) joined not gods with God."
I know that the Torah OT and The Gospel NT teaches that there is only one true God and he is the God of Abraham , Isaac , Jacob , Moses , Jesus .
but the most important thing , do u believe that there is only one True God and he is the God of Jesus ?!
Abraham is widely regarded as the Patriarch of monotheism and the common father of the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Through His second son, Isaac, came all Israelite prophets including such towering figures as Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus. May peace and blessings be upon them all. The advent of these great prophets was in partial fulfillment of God's promises to bless the nations of earth through the descendents of Abraham (Genesis12:2-3).Such fulfillment is wholeheartedly accepted by Muslims whose faith considers the belief in and respect of all prophets an article of faith.
Was the first born son of Abraham (Ishmael) and his descendants included in God's covenant and promise? A few verses from the Bible may help shed some light on this question;
1) Genesis 12:2-3 speaks of God's promise to Abraham and his descendants before any child was born to him.
2) Genesis 17:4 reiterates God's promise after the birth of Ishmael and before the birth of Isaac.
3) In Genesis, ch. 21. Isaac is specifically blessed but Ishmael was also specifically blessed and promised by God to become "a great nation" especially in Genesis 21:13, 18.
4) According to Deuteronomy 21:15-17 the traditional rights and privileges of the first born son are not to be affected by the social status of his mother (being a "free" woman such as Sarah, Isaac's mother, or a "Bondwoman" such as Hagar, Ishmael's mother). This is only consistent with the moral and humanitarian principles of all revealed faiths.
5) The full legitimacy of Ishmael as Abraham's son and "seed" and the full legitimacy of his mother, Hagar, as Abraham's wife are clearly stated in Genesis 21:13 and 16:3. After Jesus, the last Israelite messenger and prophet, it was time that God's promise to bless Ishmael and his descendants be fulfilled. Less than 600years after Jesus, came the last messenger of God, Muhammad, from the progeny of Abraham through Ishmael. God's blessing of both of the main branches of Abraham's family tree was now fullfilled. But are there additional corroborating evidence that the Bible did in fact foretell the advent of prophet Muhammad?
Please read :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1cwr_gcsk
2-16
You completely ignored my question. Why don't you try it again and I will add another question to help clarify the first.
1. On WHAT BASIS - that is through WHAT EVIDENCE - do you reject the historically and geographically perfectly plausible, and accurate, and evermore archaeologically confirmed, account of Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael found in scripture?
2. On WHAT BASIS - that is through WHAT EVIDENCE - do you believe that Mecca ever even existed before the 4th century AD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my reply so you would be reading it twice)
2-16
Hi .
I understand u now , u are talking about mecca (Bekka) and the kaaba , ok .
well , u know that Abraham peace be upon him sent Hagar and Ishmael to Paran ,
Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt. At that time Abimelech and Phicol the commander of his forces said to Abraham, "God is with you in everything you do. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:19-22)"
Hagar was an Arab. Abraham peace be upon him had Ishmael from her, who was 13 years older than Issac. After Sarah, Abraham's wife gave birth to Issac, Abraham decided to let Hagar and her son Ishmael go. He sent to the desert of Arabia in the region of Paran.
Then GOD Almighty promised Ishmael that from him, He will increase his numbers and make from him a great nation, the Arab nation; "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 17:20)"
The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"
Kedar came from Ishmael; "These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. Kedar and Ancient Arabs (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)" The Arabian desert region was named after Kedar. See the second map below.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/map_paran.gif
Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT!
HEAR WHAT THEY SAY :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone_sent_is_meteorite.mp3
is this enough evidence my brother/sister , may God bless u ?
NOTE : [ please focus in the black stone audio]
Thank u .
2-17
[[[[I understand u now , u are talking about mecca (Bekka) and the kaaba , ok .
well , u know that Abraham peace be upon him sent Hagar and Ishmael to Paran ,
Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.]]]]]
So where did this happen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
2-17
[[[[Let us look at the following Verses: "Then God opened her [Hagar] eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink. God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt.]]]]
Hagar lived almost a thousand years before the first caravan route was ever established along the Red Sea. Are you suggesting that Hagar wandered 1,000 kilometers across harsh, barren, unexplored, uncharted Arabian desert, a thousand years before anybody else is recorded as having made that trip along the Red Sea, and then picked up a woman in Egypt for Ishmael and wandered back the 1,000 kilometers to Mecca?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
2-17
[[[[Kedar came from Ishmael; "These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, and Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations. Kedar and Ancient Arabs (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)" The Arabian desert region was named after Kedar. See the second map below.]]]]
Didn't you ever Google the location of the names of those towns? NONE of them were within 1,000 kilometers of Mecca.
[[[[ http://www.answering-christianity.com/map_paran.gif ]]]]
The map at this link is as stupid as it looks.
Didn't you ever Google the location of the Wilderness of Paran? It is located in the Northern Sinai and across into the TransJordan border. NOT WITHIN 1,000 kilometers from where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
2-17
[[[[The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"]]]]]
Please Google Sinai and Seir and Mount Paran. NONE within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1085.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
2-17
[[[[Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed .......]]]]]
Muhammad also claimed that he rode on a flying donkey-mule from Mecca to Jerusalem, to "paradise" and back to Mecca by morning. Why do you suppose that there were no witnesses to this flying steed? Why do you think so many of his followers left Islam after he told this tale?
What temple in Jerusalem did he tie his baraq up to and go inside of to pray?
http://www.petewaldo.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twwVjrhagL0
2-17
[[[[Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed ......]]]]
He also claimed that the Quraish pagan Arabian jinn-demon worship ritual of the Sa'ee was of God. Even some of Muhammad's closest followers hated to do the Sa'ee because they knew it was a pagan jinn worship ritual.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
Indeed Muslims joined the pagans shoulder to shoulder in their pagan ceremonies until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when the pagans got kicked out of their own ritual.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
2-17
[[[[Also , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed ......]]]]
You see, everything you believe, you believe contrary to the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind purely because Muhammad claimed it. A self-proclaimed prophet with no fulfilled prophecy and many false prophecies, that not a single person ever heard his "Allah" or Gabriel give a "revelation" to, who never even performed a single miracle.
Why do you suppose none of the other prophet had to proclaim themselves to be so? Because they WERE prophets.
[[[[...... that the stone was sent down by God Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, .........]]]]]
The truth is that Muslims don't know what to believe, do they? Some say that the stone was sent down to Adam and that he built the first Kaaba. Some say before the beginning of mankind. Do you know the reason nobody can get their stories straight?
ALL of the Islamic "tradition" regarding Mecca before the 4th century AD, is CREATED FICTION of 7th and 8th century SW Arabian desert dwellers, without reference to ANY ACTUAL HISTORICAL RECORD that preceded the 4th century AD.
History isn't something that a bunch of guys sit down and decide to create thousands of years AFTER the fact. Do you know what the ACTUAL HISTORICAL RECORD tells us about the Kaaba?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1133.0
[[[[[........ peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT!]]]]
Most likely from the Wabar crater near Oman. Since it broke into pieces it may have been a glass ball that was formed from the sand and heat of the crater. Other such objects are found that float on water. The black stone arrived in Mecca by way of Yemeni immigrants in the early 5th century, who had settled the area around the 4th century AD.
Meteorite worship has been a bad habit of mankind from long before the time that Muslims started prostrating themselves to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day. Stone fetishes were popular throughout all of the kaabas scattered around Arabia.
There was a "red stone", the deity of the south Arabian city of Ghaiman, and the "white stone" in the Kaaba of al-Abalat (near the city of Tabala, south of Mecca).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba#Before_Islam
Would you like me to tell you about the one true God YHWH, Yahweh, as He revealed Himself through scripture?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg
2-17 (from pete)
"Allah's" people. "Allah Akbar!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKWBr2CLFjY
(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my replies so you would be reading it twice)
2-18
Important Note:
We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says:
"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"
GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.
Mecca, Bacca and Paran:
Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:
"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"
"The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 3:96-97)"
"And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink. And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:17-21)"
More Verses on Paran:
"Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 10:12)" Here the desert of Paran means the region of Paran, which would be either at or near Mecca.
"After that, the people left Hazeroth and encamped in the Desert of Paran. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 12:16)" Here the desert of Paran means the region of Paran, which would be either at or near Mecca.
"So at the LORD's command Moses sent them out from the Desert of Paran. All of them were leaders of the Israelites. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 13:3)"
"These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the desert east of the Jordan--that is, in the Arabah--opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 1:1)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-gpT9o3fg
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Second message on the 18th
Paul in the book of Galatians and the most recent Archeological Discoveries suggest that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia and NOT in Egypt's Sinai desert:
Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. This means that Paran being south of Mount Sinai clearly means that it is the Holy City of Mecca as I showed u in my previous message:
The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"
This verse is elaborated on further above. Now, let us first look at Galatians 4:25, then the archeological evidence:
"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. (From the NIV Bible, Galatians 4:25)"
EVEN THE CHRISTIANS SCHOLARS PROVES THAT
LOOK AT THE CHRISTIANS WEBSITE :
http://carm.org/why-isnt-there-any-record-millions-jews-wandering-desert
I'm not lying , if u didn't believe us the muslims than believe the christians scholars .
FAIR ENOUGH ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Emka9_CtY
2-26
[[[[We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. ]]]]]
Yahweh had his people build His temple in Jerusalem. 1200 kilometers away from where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.
The Kaaba in Mecca was built for pagan Arabian sun, moon, star and jinn-demon worship in the early 5th century AD.
You can copy and paste proof texted verses on Paran until you are blue in the face, but it will never move Mecca one inch closer than 1,000 kilometers to the Wilderness of Paran.
So the question remains. How did Hagar and Ishmael wander 1,200 kilometers from Hebron to Mecca, 900 years before the first caravan ever made the trip, and about 1500 years before Mecca was ever even established?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0WgIjl9Cbo
2-26
[[[Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:
"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"]]]]
Is your mind that broken from the repetitive prayers of the heathen? I already asked you if you ever even read the very next verse.
84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
ZION, ZION, ZION, that is Jerusalem.
You are simply copy and pasting the stupidity of another. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8
2-26
[[[[Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. ]]]]]
By either reckoning of Mt. Sinai it is STILL 1,000 KILOMETERS AWAY FROM MECCA. Do you know how to read a map?
http://www.historyofmecca.com/geography_mecca.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ZAH6r8vHg
2-26
How do you explain that there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD?
This even though other ancient Arabian cities are very well attested in the archaeological and historical records.
Please explain this since there should be more history of Mecca than any other city in Arabia.
There are over a million artifacts of Jerusalem just on display, yet for Mecca, the supposed EPICENTER of Muhammad's religion since Adam - NONE.
How can this be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWCiNKxVsrE
2-27
Hi .
Let me put Your Question (( there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD? ))
My Answer is : There is alot of historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that Mecca existed before pagans .
one of these proofs is , the black stone , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT! .
LISTEN :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone_sent_is_meteorite.mp3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Emka9_CtY
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Second reply on 2-27
Watch This Evidence :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpAgI7VWgs
2-28
[[[[[Let me put Your Question (( there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD? ))
My Answer is : There is alot of historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that Mecca existed before pagans .
one of these proofs is , the black stone , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty .........]]]]]
That's the whole point! The ONLY reason that you believe the black stone moon god idol that the Quraish brought from Yemen was sent down by Muhammad's "Allah", is BECAUSE MUHAMMAD SAID SO.
HOW IS THAT EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING?
[[[[[......... to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba.]]]]]
Why do you believe that?
BECAUSE A BUNCH OF 7TH AND 8TH CENTURY SW Arabian desert dwellers claimed that was so.
HOW DID THEY KNOW WHAT WENT ON THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE?
[[[[ Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT! .]]]]
Men have venerated meteorite objects since our early beginnings. You bowing toward a meteorite is nothing new.
Do you understand that all that you told me is that you reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses of Yahweh AS REVEALED through the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, to follow Muhammad.
And the only reason you do is because the SINGLE self-serving, self-proclaimed false prophet Muhammed told you to.
[[[[LISTEN :
http://www.answering-christianity.com/black_stone_sent_is_meteorite.mp3]]]]]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
2-28
[[[[Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe tha... ]]]]]
On the basis of what historical or archaeological EVIDENCE from BEFORE THE 4TH CENTURY AD do you base this belief?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
2-28
[[[[[[[[[Let me put Your Question (( there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants settled it in the 4th century AD? ))
My Answer is : There is alot of historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that Mecca existed before pagans .
one of these proofs is , the black stone , Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by God Almighty .........]]]]]
THE FACT IS that the black stone was a Quraish idol that Muhammad adopted, and then adapted, to Islam to keep the pagans interested. Even some of his closest followers hated engaging in the Sa'ee because they recognized it as being pagan Arabian demon worship.
Asem told us that he said to Uns bin Malek, a companion of Mohammed, "You were hating to encompass around the Safa and Marwa." He answered, "Yes, because it was one of the pagan rites of Jahiliyah until Allah gave a verse that the Safa and Marwa are the rites of Allah. If one makes the Hajj to the Kaabah, he must encompass them. The person has no sin when he encompass them. (Sahih al-Bukhari, 2, page 171)
Muhammad's grandfather Abdel Mutaleb dug the well of zamzam to establish Hajj around the most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn religion, who were fabled to have committed fornication inside the Ka'aba, and so "Allah" turned them to stone and their idols were placed on Al-Safa and Al-Marwah.
The pagans ran back and forth between Safa and Marwah just like you do.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
That is what the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE tells us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
2-28
The FACT IS that Muhammad's followers joined the pagans shoulder to shoulder in circumambulation of the Kaaba, and veneration of the Quraish's black stone idol, until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj when the pagans were kicked out of their own ritual.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 26, Number 689:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
In the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Allahs Apostle made Abu Bakr the leader of the pilgrims, the latter (Abu Bakr) sent me in the company of a group of people to make a public announcement: 'No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year, and no naked person is allowed to perform Tawaf of the Kaba.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
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In The Name of God The Most Gracious The Most Merciful
14:(35) Remember Abraham said: "O my Lord! make this city one of peace and security: and preserve me and my sons from worshipping idols.
(36) "O my Lord! they have indeed led astray many among mankind; He then who follows my (ways) is of me, and he that disobeys me,- but Thou art indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Than i have to proof to u that the Quran is the words of God .
Please watch and tell me who told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkiVGxOuR_I
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You seem to be suggesting that yet another lie you have been told, is somehow expected to stand in for thousands of years of non-existent history of Mecca, prior to the 4th century AD.
Regarding the seas not mixing this was known at least as far back as the time of Aristotle.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm#15
Please note the attached video that I just uploaded. I would appreciate your comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJODE7Q2KcM
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ok another Miracle :
Who Told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waBn-39zGbQ
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[[[[Who Told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!]]]]]
So then I guess no comment on the Islamic "beast" video.
And still not a shred of evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan Arabians settled it, and built their kaaba in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship.
The sky doesn't disintegrate. The phenemenon the Quran is referring to is day changing into night. Often there is a rose colored SKY at sunset. Surely you can see the sheer stupidity required for someone to suggest that the quoted verse in the Quran refers to a nebula.
You are wasting your time my friend. You could die TODAY. You are asking the wrong questions. The question you should be asking is who told the false prophet Muhammad to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, over 600 years after the scriptures were closed?
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
ONE MUST CHOOSE
Between the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years.
Or ONE 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller who was and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ who your own books reveal as an imperialistic murdering, prisoner raping, thief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
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[[[[Who Told Prophet Muhammad about this before 1400 years when there was no technology ?!]]]]]
So then I guess no comment on the Islamic "beast" video.
And still not a shred of evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan Arabians settled it, and built their kaaba in the early 5th century for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship.
The sky doesn't disintegrate. The phenemenon the Quran is referring to is day changing into night. Often there is a rose colored SKY at sunset. Surely you can see the sheer stupidity required for someone to suggest that the quoted verse in the Quran refers to a nebula.
You are wasting your time my friend. You could die TODAY. You are asking the wrong questions. The question you should be asking is who told the false prophet Muhammad to proclaim the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, over 600 years after the scriptures were closed?
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
ONE MUST CHOOSE
Between the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years.
Or ONE 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller who was and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ who your own books reveal as an imperialistic murdering, prisoner raping, thief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my replies so you would be reading it twice)
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Brother/sister , u start making a videos and alot of comments and messages on this matter (the kabba , mecca , black stone , Jihad)
and u forget the most important thing in our life .
The most important message of Islam is the absolute Unity of God-that there is only One Supreme Being who has no partners and is not dependent on anyone or anything. He is the creator of everything and the whole universe is under His control. Since the total submission of one's will to God represents the essence of worship, Islam is the worship of God alone and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than God. In essence, Islam calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator.
God is the only one deserving man's worship as it is only by His will that prayers are answered. Hence prayers to the non-living such as the sun, fire, and to humans whether they be Jesus, Moses or even Muhammad are rejected, as God informs us in the opening chapter of the Qur'an, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4: "You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help."
A Muslim believes that God and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is God His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him. Ultimately, it is the belief that the essence of God is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, which has provided justification for the worship of creation. Islam, hence, is a clear call to the worship of the Creator and the rejection of creation-worship in any form.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBSeIf-ylPU
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[[[[Brother/sister , u start making a videos and alot of comments and messages on this matter (the kabba , mecca , black stone , Jihad) .......]]]]]
To conclusively prove to you that the only reason you prostrate yourself to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day, is because you follow what I demonstrated is PROVABLY nothing more 7th and 8th century fiction written by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers.
The only thing you brought to substitute for thousands of years of history of Mecca is Muhammad discussing a red sunset and other poppycock - no archaeology and no history. You brought worthless tripe. THERE IS NO HISTORY OF MECCA prior to the 4th century AD so PROVABLY, Yahweh the God of the Bible, has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.
Indeed Muhammad even invoked his alter-ego "Allah's" curse on Yahweh's people as someone who practices voodoo might.
Surah 9.30 The JEWS call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the CHRISTIANS call Christ THE SON OF ALLAH. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. ALLAH'S CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
But that's likely because Muhammad and his family were so into the occult.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0
This is reinforced by Islam being the EXACT OPPOSITE of Christianity. This is how we can know that Muhammad was inspired by Satan. Satan through his prophet Muhammad instilled in you what to DISbelieve. To deny the whole purpose of the Messiah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9Rdej28pP4
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[[[[and u forget the most important thing in our life .
The most important message of Islam is the absolute Unity of God-that there is only One Supreme Being ........]]]]
That isn't the message of Islam. That is the concept that Yahweh's people have followed for 3500 years since He first began to reveal Himself to mankind.
Muhammad plagiarized it from the Jews that he used to buy verses from the Torah from.
How can you be so ignorant as to what the Jews believe that you believe that somehow Muhammad invented monotheism?
http://prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_14_The_Anti-Semite.Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM
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[[[[.....who has no partners and is not dependent on anyone or anything. He is the creator of everything and the whole universe is under His control. Since the total submission of one's will to God represents the essence of worship, .......]]]]
That is the essence of slavery. Muhammad's followers are slaves of Satan. Satan and his prophet Muhammad, and his followers after him, kept slaves and still keep slaves.
I am a son of God - He is my Father.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0
John 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
This is how we praise and begin a relationship with Him.
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
It's about loving our Creator through a relationship with Him.
31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
A relationship with Yahweh, through His Messiah Yeshua is specifically NOT about engaging in pagan rituals and blathering on in the vain repetitions of the heathen.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
You REJECT the Son of God. That makes you an antichrist.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
And now that you have been shown the truth, and still reject the Son of the Living God you will be judged on that basis.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rtYAO3UxA
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[[[[........ Islam is the worship of God alone .......]]]]
That's false. You follow Muhammad's lies through the father of the lie - Satan. Islam is the worship of Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" and his "messenger" while prostrating oneself to the Quraish's pagan idol 5 times a day. Even circumambulating it and running back and forth between Safa and Marwah the way the pagan Arabian jinn-demon worshipers did.
Muhammadans reject the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind to follow Muhammad's own law, and Muhammad's pagan repackaged pagan rituals. Muhammad even switched his Qibla from Jerusalem to Mecca, and switched his Sabbath, or "Holy" day to Friday, to spite Yahweh's people.
Your worship has nothing whatsoever to do with Yahweh and everything to do with Satan because you deny the blood that would save you. There is ONLY ONE WAY for a Gentile to be saved in this new covenant era.
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me.
[[[[...... and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than God.]]]]
That is how Satan causes you to reject the Messiah and the new covenant He ushered in.
[[[[ In essence, Islam calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator.
God is the only one deserving man's worship as it is only by His will that prayers are answered. Hence prayers to the non-living such as the sun, fire, and to humans whether they be Jesus, .......]]]]]
So when did Jesus die or join the "non-living" according to Islam?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE
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[[[[...... Moses or even Muhammad are rejected, as God informs us in the opening chapter of the Qur'an, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4: "You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help."]]]
Since the Quran is a poorly assembled collection of an antichrist 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller you need to reject that Satanic tripe altogether. There is no lesson in the Quran of value, that is not contained in Yahweh's Word.
[[[[A Muslim believes ........]]]]]
A Muslim believes what Muhammad told you to believe. That is the beginning and end of it. PERIOD. You REJECT Yahweh as revealed through ALL of His prophets and witnesses as revealed through His 1600 year record, to follow Muhammad. PERIOD. What does that make you?
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
What does that make your Greek sophist styled antichrist liars like Deedat and Naik?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
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[[[[..... that God and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is God His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him. Ultimately, it is the belief that the essence of God is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, .........]]]]
Why do you feel a need to lecture me as if I were an atheist? Haven't you ever read the Gospel? If you believe God is omnipresent why do you prostrate yourself to the pagan Quraish Kaaba to pray to Him?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
If not why would a literate person not take it upon himself to read it? Here's the most widely accepted English version.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
For an Arabic version you can go here
http://www.arabicbible.com/
Even an audio version
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
Don't try to give me that nonsense about the Gospel being corrupted. In the 7th CENTURY after the bible had been translated into perhaps as many as a hundred languages, and copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, Muhammad declared...
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
So were Muhammad and His "Allah" just too ignorant to know about the corruption that modern Muslims claim?
[[[[......... which has provided justification for the worship of creation. Islam, hence, is a clear call to the worship of the Creator and the rejection of creation-worship in any form.]]]]
Islam is a clear call to prostrate oneself to the Quraish's black stone idol and engage in pagan Arabian jinn-demon worship.
My friend, now that you have been shown the truth it is up to you to receive it or reject it. YOU COULD DIE THIS VERY DAY. Are you ready to stand before the Son of God in judgment?
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
The Lamb of God whose blood you deny?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology
"Among the Jews of the Second Temple Period, the Biblical Aramaic/Hebrew name יֵש×וּעַ Yeshua‘ was common: the Hebrew Bible mentions several individuals with this name. This name is a feature of biblical books written in the post-Exilic period (Ezra, Nehemiah, and Chronicles) and was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Strong's Concordance connects the name יֵש×וּעַ Yeshua`, in the English form Jeshua (as used in multiple instances in Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 and 2 Chronicles), with the verb "to deliver" (or, "to rescue").[5] It is often translated as "He saves," to conform with Matthew 1:21: "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins" (NASB).[6]"
Why do you suppose it is that the Messiah's Hebrew name "Yeshua" or originally "Yahshua" means "Yahweh saves" delivers or rescues?
This is the very purpose of the Messiah and the new covenant He ushered in.
What do you suppose you and I need rescue from more than anything else, my friend?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw
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I made a record of our exchange so you can review it in it's entirety. The nice thing about the forum is that things can be much better organized than in this dark alley of personal messaging. You will see our discussion is available at a glance and the forum search function is great for finding key words.
We can quote each other, and as you can see at the link all of the links we post you simply have to click on. This helps avoid wasted time with repetition because posts so easily become history in this PM format.
Please join me there if there are more questions you have.
Particularly join me there if you find A SINGLE SHRED of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan immigrants from Yemen settled it, and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship. You can ignore me and this question all day long, but you have been shown the truth, and it is Yahweh - the ONE and ONLY living God the Father that you are ignoring now.
Simply copy and paste this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2384.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
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So where do you live, my friend?
(you can skip reading this post as I quote it in my replies so you would be reading it twice)
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We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says:
"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"
GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.
We've already seen the "House of GOD"Almighty in both the Bible and the Noble Quran above. We've seen how the Prostration to GOD Almighty in either His House or in the direction of His House (if you live far away) is the most proper way of Worship.
Again, to help u to understand the Islamic point better, I'd like to present the following from the Bible:
Numbers 24:3-5
3 and he uttered his oracle: "The oracle of Balaam son of Beor, the oracle of one whose eye sees clearly,
4 the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened:
5 "How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob, your dwelling places, O Israel!
Deuteronomy 9:17-19
17 So I took the two tablets and threw them out of my hands, breaking them to pieces before your eyes.
18 Then once again I fell prostrate before the LORD for forty days and forty nights; I ate no bread and drank no water, because of all the sin you had committed, doing what was evil in the LORD's sight and so provoking him to anger.
19 I feared the anger and wrath of the LORD, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the LORD listened to me.
The direction of the Kaaba not only unifies the Muslims, but it also maximizes the Glorification and Praising of GOD Almighty.
It maximizes the Glorification of GOD Almighty, because in the 5-daily Prayers, it is not only the individual who is Praising GOD, but also the millions of the Muslims world-wide (who are on the same time) are doing it almost simultaneously as if they were ONE CLOSE COMMUNITY.
and in the end Prophet Muhammad said " Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."
Why should this be of any surprise, when God Almighty had brought down all of the Angels under the feet of the human-believers when He commanded them to bow down to Adam?
So no, we do not worship rocks and stones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bw7TpKVZ50
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56RodHJK_GA
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
We worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says:
"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"
That's right. Yahweh had His people build a temple with an alter on which they sacrificed animals for atonement of sin through their blood.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=atonement&t=KJV&sf=5
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
GOD Almighty's Holy Temple in Islam is the Kaaba in Mecca.
Simply repeating something won't magically make it come true.
The Kaaba was built by pagan Arabians in the early 5th century AD for moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship. The ONLY reason you have to make this claim is because a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers made it in the 7th and 8th centuries AD. That's why you failed to answer the question early in our conversation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2384.msg9950#msg9950
2. On WHAT BASIS - that is through WHAT EVIDENCE - do you believe that Mecca ever even existed before the 4th century AD?
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
We've already seen the "House of GOD"Almighty in both the Bible and the Noble Quran above.
One temple Yahweh's.
The other temple Allah's aka Satan.
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PMWe've seen how the Prostration to GOD Almighty in either His House or in the direction of His House (if you live far away) is the most proper way of Worship.
Your false prophet Muhammad was so confused he even switched the direction his followers were to pray from Jerusalem to Mecca after the Hijra.
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
Again, to help u to understand the Islamic point better, I'd like to present the following from the Bible:
Numbers 24:3-5
3 and he uttered his oracle: "The oracle of Balaam son of Beor, the oracle of one whose eye sees clearly,
4 the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened:
5 "How beautiful are your tents, O Jacob, your dwelling places, O Israel!
Deuteronomy 9:17-19
17 So I took the two tablets and threw them out of my hands, breaking them to pieces before your eyes.
18 Then once again I fell prostrate before the LORD for forty days and forty nights; I ate no bread and drank no water, because of all the sin you had committed, doing what was evil in the LORD's sight and so provoking him to anger.
19 I feared the anger and wrath of the LORD, for he was angry enough with you to destroy you. But again the LORD listened to me.
The direction of the Kaaba not only unifies the Muslims, but it also maximizes the Glorification and Praising of GOD Almighty.
No it maximizes glorification of the Quraish's pagan deity "Allah" and veneration of the Quraish's black stone idol.
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
It maxi,mizes the Glorification of GOD Almighty, because in the 5-daily Prayers, .....
Of the heathen.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM..... it is not only the individual who is Praising GOD, but also the millions of the Muslims world-wide (who are on the same time) are doing it almost simultaneously as if they were ONE CLOSE COMMUNITY.
Muslims pray so that they may be seen of men just as Jesus blasted the Pharisees for.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]:
for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets,
that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
In Sharia countries prayer is even compelled and enforced on pain of death.
AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
and in the end Prophet Muhammad said " Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim."
Why should this be of any surprise, when God Almighty had brought down all of the Angels under the feet of the human-believers when He commanded them to bow down to Adam?
Once again you don't seem to understand that simply because you are willing to believe or say something doesn't mean it will magically come true. On what historical record do you base these claims? NO RECORD.
You believe that tripe of angels bowing to Adam for one reason. BECAUSE MUHAMMAD SAID SO. That's certainly not the only unhistorical nonsense he spewed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=41.0
Quote from: Peter on March 08, 2011, 08:20:34 PM
So no, we do not worship rocks and stones.
The Quraish didn't worship the black stone either. They VENERATED their black stone idol because it REPRESENTED their pagan deity "Allah".
Muslims VENERATE the Quraish's black stone idol because it REPRESENTS your god "Allah".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0
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Sent link to above forum post then sent following PM
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I asked where you live because on your channel you say
Hometown: In God Land
You're lucky you live in Israel because Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth.
Do you live in Jerusalem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg
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He replied with a video link on which I replied directly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56RodHJK_GA
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And another PM
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God land is not only Jerusalem but it's the whole Earth .
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[[[[God land is not only Jerusalem but it's the whole Earth.]]]]
However Jerusalem is the historical EPICENTER of the Holy Land of all of the prophets and patriarchs. It is the place where Yahweh chose to have His people build a temple to Him. In and around Jerusalem is where the wealth of archaeological evidence is evermore discovered, that continues to prove the veracity of the Old Testament as an accurate ancient historical record.
Just as Mecca became the EPICENTER of pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-demon worship by the early 7th century, following when the pagans having cobbled together their kaaba in the early 5th century. Their rituals adopted and then adapted by Muhammad to suit his STAND-ALONE 7th century religion, in which Muslims unto this day still prostrate themselves toward the pagan's kaaba and their black stone idol.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/origins_of_islam.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
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Just as Zion is God's historical footstool,
Psa 99:2 The LORD [is] great in Zion; and he [is] high above all the people.
5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; [for] he [is] holy.
Mecca is Satan's historical footstool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
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"". Matthew 16:23 " Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.""
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnFhnK2E8ng
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Followed by another
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Now it's time to show u the truth .
(he included this ridiculous video titled "Historical Proof of Abraham Built the Kaaba")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Ib4rhGTW0
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To which I replied on the video
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Ridiculous. Old Testament reference is to the temple that Yahweh had His people build IN ZION. NOT to the Kaaba 1200 kilometers away in Mecca that Arabian pagans built in the early 5th century AD for moon, sun, star, wind and jinn-demon worship.
watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
NEXT VERSE 84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
Fruit of liars that follow the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad.
watch?v=eLsniG47IO8
brotherpete. com/baca_mecca. htm
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I also PMd the person who uploaded the video so I could attach a live link to my video
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Didn't you ever even read the very next verse?
84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
http://www.petewaldo.com/baca_mecca.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah#Arguments_against_the_identification_of_Baca_with_Mecca
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But he has friend lock enabled, which Muslims increasingly employ as a means to shield themselves from truth.
[[[[Now it's time to show u the truth .]]]]
Now look at my reply to you back on 2-26 that I entered in the forum at this link.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2384.15
Here is what you wrote
"[[[Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:
"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"]]]]"
Here was my reply
"Is your mind that broken from the repetitive prayers of the heathen? I already asked you if you ever even read the very next verse.
84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
ZION, ZION, ZION, that is Jerusalem.
You are simply copy and pasting the stupidity of another. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8"
You see, my friend, you can't think for yourself because your mind is broken. Just about the time it begins to function normally again you are forced to put your forehead to Satan and your butt to Yahweh and pray the repetitive prayers of the heathen.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
This prevents your mind from being able to function normally. It's why, relatively speaking, Muslims haven't produced anything of value ever since Muhammad began his slaughter of productive, moral, literate and God faring folks, and forced his ignorant minions to prostrate themselves to the Quraish's black stone idol 5 times a day. That's why we still find that about all Muslims produce, all around the world, is murder, mayhem and misery.
You mind is like a tape recorder that gets erased five times a day and has to start over. Just about the time a constructive thought enters it you have to pray vain repetitions to Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah" who is Satan. That's why you have brought up this same ridiculous lie about Baca = Mecca at least 3 times now. Instead of being embarrassed by how foolish the whole notion is, when it is condemned by the very next verse, you instead repeat it and even proudly proclaim "Now it's time to show u the truth." as if it creates thousands of years of non-existent history of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD, when it was originally settled by pagan immigrants from Yemen.
Can't you even begin to see that you have been brainwashed, and continue to brainwash yourself, into following the father of lies through his prophet Muhammad? Repeating foolish and provable lie after lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8
From 777 on 3-18
Please watch with open mind&heart :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsuHuHhRh0
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To which I replied directly on the video
PeteWaldo 4 minutes ago
Yahweh manifest or revealed through the flesh of a man in Jesus Christ isn't the first time that Yahweh revealed Himself that way. In Genesis 18 Yahweh visits Abraham, uses the bowl of water offered to wash His feet, and consumes the food and drink that Abraham offered Him.
watch?v=1cjXj6TMOAM
But arguing the divinity of Jesus Christ is a minor detail when compared to Satan filling you with complete resolve to reject the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the blood that would save you.
PeteWaldo 6 minutes ago
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (cont)
islamandthetruth. com/the_lamb_slain. htm
What prophecy in Psalms did Jesus reference?
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet....
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