This is discussed in other topics but I thought it deserved a separate subject heading in this section. Muhammad didn't even understand what the "trinity" is since he thought it was the Father, Son and Mary. Further, the word trinity does not exist in the Quran except in English translations.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm
rebuttal
http://www.answering-islam.org/Emails/mary-ezra.htm
Amazingly, the primary argument Muslims lodge to criticism of Muhammad's mistake, is to suggest that it was Christian doctrine that he picked up, which would expose Muhammad as being the victim of a rumored Christian heresy. It's a lose, lose argument for them, let alone that by the 7th century after the Gospel had been translated into perhaps a hundred languages, and copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and was being read all over the world when Muhammad quipped
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
Quote from: Peter on March 13, 2011, 07:59:53 AM
This is discussed in other topics but I thought it deserved a separate subject heading in this section. Muhammad didn't even understand what the "trinity" is since he thought it was the Father, Son and Mary. Further, the word trinity does not exist in the Quran except in English translations.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm
rebuttal
http://www.answering-islam.org/Emails/mary-ezra.htm
Amazingly, the primary argument Muslims lodge to criticism of Muhammad's mistake, is to suggest that it was Christian doctrine that he picked up, which would expose Muhammad as being the victim of a rumored Christian heresy. It's a loose, loose argument for them, let alone that by the 7th century after the Gospel had been translated into perhaps a hundred languages, and copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and was being read all over the world when Muhammad quipped
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
Ok You Tell me what Trinity is....Instead of using false allegations and telling The prophet did not understand what Trinity Is ???...
1. The Qura'n Is from The Lord...It is the Truth from the Lord...Allah Knows The Best
2. Trinity according to you is not mentioned, ok ye tell me fine if it is not in quran,
Does Trinity Does Not exist In The Followers Of Christianity.It exists Right.And it is False Practice.Desist from it its better for you.
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 02:40:52 AM
Quote from: Peter on March 13, 2011, 07:59:53 AM
This is discussed in other topics but I thought it deserved a separate subject heading in this section. Muhammad didn't even understand what the "trinity" is since he thought it was the Father, Son and Mary. Further, the word trinity does not exist in the Quran except in English translations.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm
rebuttal
http://www.answering-islam.org/Emails/mary-ezra.htm
Amazingly, the primary argument Muslims lodge to criticism of Muhammad's mistake, is to suggest that it was Christian doctrine that he picked up, which would expose Muhammad as being the victim of a rumored Christian heresy. It's a loose, loose argument for them, let alone that by the 7th century after the Gospel had been translated into perhaps a hundred languages, and copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and was being read all over the world when Muhammad quipped
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
Ok You Tell me what Trinity is....Instead of using false allegations and telling The prophet did not understand what Trinity Is ???...
1. The Qura'n Is from The Lord...It is the Truth from the Lord...Allah Knows The Best
2. Trinity according to you is not mentioned, ok ye tell me fine if it is not in quran,
Does Trinity Does Not exist In The Followers Of Christianity.It exists Right.And it is False Practice.Desist from it its better for you.
Muhammad understood the doctrine of the Trinity to be God the Father, Mary the mother of Jesus, and Jesus. This shouldn't surprise anyone given Muhammad's contact with those that had a doctrinal axe to grind with the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Catholics venerate Mary to the degree it is indistinguishable from worship. The RCC's insistence on calling Mary the "mother of God" is misleading at best and blasphemous at worse. In other verses from the Qur'an Muhammad confused the Holy Spirit with Gabriel. The actual doctrine of the Trinity is that there are Three distinct person's within One Godhead. Each of the same exact essence and purpose but acting distinctly of one another. If we as God's creation are three distinct parts, mind, body and soul, then why wouldn't God be much more complex in His identity?
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Muhammad understood the doctrine of the Trinity to be God the Father, Mary the mother of Jesus, and Jesus. This shouldn't surprise anyone given Muhammad's contact with those that had a doctrinal axe to grind with the Roman Catholic Church. Roman Catholics venerate Mary to the degree it is indistinguishable from worship. The RCC's insistence on calling Mary the "mother of God" is misleading at best and blasphemous at worse. In other verses from the Qur'an Muhammad confused the Holy Spirit with Gabriel. The actual doctrine of the Trinity is that there are Three distinct person's within One Godhead. Each of the same exact essence and purpose but acting distinctly of one another. If we as God's creation are three distinct parts, mind, body and soul, then why wouldn't God be much more complex in His identity?
A lie against or an allegation towards any of the Prophet is a Sin and deserves a seat in Hell.
Prophet Muhammadh (Pecae Be Upon Him) was Not confused...He gave The Truth Very Clear
People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'â€"stop, that is better for youâ€"Allah is only one Allah, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust.
Angel Gabriel/Jibril(Peace Be upon Him) is not Mentioned in the Verses also....Show me which Verse shows the confusion with Angel Gabriel(as u said Prophet Muhammad confused the Holy Spirit with Gabriel)
Show me Your proof If you true. If You Cannot Do Not Even Speak Of Trinity and ask forgiveness from the Almighty,The Most Merciful and Forgiving.....The RCC's insistence on calling Mary the "mother of God" is misleading at best and blasphemous at worse.
As far as this is concerned You are Correct....They have to Desist...Its Better For Them....
When Allah says, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, "Take me and my mother as two gods alongside Allah"?' he will say, 'May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to sayâ€"if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 04:27:37 AM
A lie against or an allegation towards any of the Prophet is a Sin and deserves a seat in Hell.
Which is why I have no problem telling the truth about Muhammad. He was a false prophet.
Quote from: ateef
Prophet Muhammadh (Pecae Be Upon Him) was Not confused...He gave The Truth Very Clear
People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'â€"stop, that is better for youâ€"Allah is only one Allah, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust.
This verse is exactly the type of confusion I am referring to. Muhammad believed Christians thought the Trinity to be God, Mary and Jesus. This confusion was the result of the RCC's overemphasis of Mary and other sects of Christianity taking issue with it. However, even the RCC does not consider Mary a god doctrinally. The Trinity, which is a conjoined word of tri and unity, is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three distinct persons of the same Godhead. Even Muhammad believed God had a spirit. Does this then follow that muslims believe in two gods?
Quote from: ateef
Angel Gabriel/Jibril(Peace Be upon Him) is not Mentioned in the Verses also....Show me which Verse shows the confusion with Angel Gabriel(as u said Prophet Muhammad confused the Holy Spirit with Gabriel)
"Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (The Noble Quran, 16:102)"
This among other passages in the Qur'an conflate the title of Holy Spirit with Gabriel.
Quote from: ateef
Show me Your proof If you true. If You Cannot Do Not Even Speak Of Trinity and ask forgiveness from the Almighty,The Most Merciful and Forgiving.....
While your concern is commendable I will ask that you frame it differently. This isn't the place for you to make demands. If you have a point then lay it out concisely and let it stand or fall on its' own.
Quote from: ateef
As far as this is concerned You are Correct....They have to Desist...Its Better For Them....
When Allah says, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, "Take me and my mother as two gods alongside Allah"?' he will say, 'May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to sayâ€"if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen
But no Christian, Catholic or otherwise, has ever taught or thought Jesus taught anyone to take Mary as a god. Theotokos or God-bearer or "Mother of God" was in reference to the fact that Mary gave birth to Jesus who is the eternal God made flesh. As I said it is misleading and I think should not be used. However, the very fact that Muhammad gave such a revelation underscores the fact that he had no clue what Christians actually taught concerning the Trinity.
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 02:40:52 AM
Quote from: Peter on March 13, 2011, 07:59:53 AM
This is discussed in other topics but I thought it deserved a separate subject heading in this section. Muhammad didn't even understand what the "trinity" is since he thought it was the Father, Son and Mary. Further, the word trinity does not exist in the Quran except in English translations.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm
rebuttal
http://www.answering-islam.org/Emails/mary-ezra.htm
Amazingly, the primary argument Muslims lodge to criticism of Muhammad's mistake, is to suggest that it was Christian doctrine that he picked up, which would expose Muhammad as being the victim of a rumored Christian heresy. It's a loose, loose argument for them, let alone that by the 7th century after the Gospel had been translated into perhaps a hundred languages, and copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and was being read all over the world when Muhammad quipped
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
Ok You Tell me what Trinity is....
Well do you believe that Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit?
Sura 15.29: "When
I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him
of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Quote from: resistingrexmundi on February 12, 2012, 07:15:05 AM
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 04:27:37 AM
A lie against or an allegation towards any of the Prophet is a Sin and deserves a seat in Hell.
Which is why I have no problem telling the truth about Muhammad. He was a false prophet.
Quote from: ateef
Prophet Muhammadh (Pecae Be Upon Him) was Not confused...He gave The Truth Very Clear
People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not speak of a 'Trinity'â€"stop, that is better for youâ€"Allah is only one Allah, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust.
This verse is exactly the type of confusion I am referring to. Muhammad believed Christians thought the Trinity to be God, Mary and Jesus. This confusion was the result of the RCC's overemphasis of Mary and other sects of Christianity taking issue with it. However, even the RCC does not consider Mary a god doctrinally. The Trinity, which is a conjoined word of tri and unity, is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three distinct persons of the same Godhead. Even Muhammad believed God had a spirit. Does this then follow that muslims believe in two gods?
Quote from: ateef
Angel Gabriel/Jibril(Peace Be upon Him) is not Mentioned in the Verses also....Show me which Verse shows the confusion with Angel Gabriel(as u said Prophet Muhammad confused the Holy Spirit with Gabriel)
"Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the Revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (The Noble Quran, 16:102)"
This among other passages in the Qur'an conflate the title of Holy Spirit with Gabriel.
Quote from: ateef
Show me Your proof If you true. If You Cannot Do Not Even Speak Of Trinity and ask forgiveness from the Almighty,The Most Merciful and Forgiving.....
While your concern is commendable I will ask that you frame it differently. This isn't the place for you to make demands. If you have a point then lay it out concisely and let it stand or fall on its' own.
Quote from: ateef
As far as this is concerned You are Correct....They have to Desist...Its Better For Them....
When Allah says, 'Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, "Take me and my mother as two gods alongside Allah"?' he will say, 'May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to sayâ€"if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen
But no Christian, Catholic or otherwise, has ever taught or thought Jesus taught anyone to take Mary as a god. Theotokos or God-bearer or "Mother of God" was in reference to the fact that Mary gave birth to Jesus who is the eternal God made flesh. As I said it is misleading and I think should not be used. However, the very fact that Muhammad gave such a revelation underscores the fact that he had no clue what Christians actually taught concerning the Trinity.
ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST IN YOUR HEARTS A DISEASE....I SEE IT GROWING>>>>
Is there a reason you didn't answer this Ateef?
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 02:40:52 AM
Ok You Tell me what Trinity is....
Well do you believe that Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit?
Sura 15.29: "When
I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him
of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
It is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given very little
Quote from: ateef on February 13, 2012, 10:27:30 AM
It is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given very little
Come on Ateef, you can do better than that!
He gave you the knowledge in your books, that you pretend not to have. Do you think we can't guess why you want to run and hide from this simple truth? The answer is clear. Try reading it this time:
Sura 15.29: "When
I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him
of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Allah is the "
I" in the verse. He even makes reference to his spirit as "
MY spirit".
In light of the
evidence from the Quran, why would you want to pretend you don't know that Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit?
It is only those who hear (with sincere hearts) that accept faith; and Allah will raise these people dead of heart, then towards Him they will be herded.
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Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?
Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?
Surat Al-'A`rÄf (The Heights) - سورة اÙ,,أعراÙ
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.
This Is my Last Reply to You. As i Know You are Deaf and Blind....
As for those whose fate is disbelief, whether you warn them or do not warn them - it is all one for them; they will not believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering; and for them is a terrible punishment.
And when Our verses are recited to him he haughtily turns away as if he did not hear them - as if there is deafness in his ears; so give him the glad tidings of a painful punishment.
Indeed the worst beasts in the sight of Allah are those (people) who are deaf, dumb - who do not have any sense.
Are we to understand then that despite the Qur'an mentioning Allah's spirit you will not admit that he has one?
Quote from: ateef on February 14, 2012, 10:21:26 AM
It is only those who hear (with sincere hearts) that accept faith; and Allah will raise these people dead of heart, then towards Him they will be herded.
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Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?
Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while ye have knowledge?
Surat Al-'A`rÄf (The Heights) - سورة اÙ,,أعراÙ
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2880.msg12330#msg12330
Quote from: ateef on February 14, 2012, 10:21:26 AMThis Is my Last Reply to You. As i Know You are Deaf and Blind....
As for those whose fate is disbelief, whether you warn them or do not warn them - it is all one for them; they will not believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their ears, and on their eyes is a covering; and for them is a terrible punishment.
And when Our verses are recited to him he haughtily turns away as if he did not hear them - as if there is deafness in his ears; so give him the glad tidings of a painful punishment.
Indeed the worst beasts in the sight of Allah are those (people) who are deaf, dumb - who do not have any sense.
Come on Ateef. In this very post you proved to yourself unequivocally that you suffer from fully intentional
self-imposed blindness, deafness and dumbness.
Do you think we don't know why you couldn't admit that Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit JUST AS THE QURAN SAYS? Sura 58.22... For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with
a spirit from Himself.
Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion,
and breathed into him something of His spirit. You can see that even though Muhammad indicated repeatedly in no uncertain terms that his "Allah" has a spirit, you realize that to admit to it you would be admitting you believe in two parts of the Godhead. God and His Spirit.
You would be admitting that you believe in two parts of what some labeled the "trinity"!
You would be guilty of what Muhammad's followers accuse Christians of.
But my friend, even you can see that God + His Spirit still only equals 1 God.
1 + 1 = indeed equals 1 God
It's nothing new to us as we have seen Muhammad's followers run away from the question repeatedly before. Run away from the truth before.
And just look at what you wrote in a transparent effort to hide from the truth:
"It is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord."
Even though the answer is as plain as the nose on your face. See what a weak wimpy god the Quraish pagans and Muhammad created for you, because Muhammad was constantly caught in contradiction like you? It's like saying, when the truth contradicts your beliefs, then blind yourself to it, ignore it, and parrot "the knowledge of which is only with my Lord".
The ONE true God of the bible is very much different.
1Th 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Here's a thread on the Spirit of God that may help you see a little more clearly, that includes a little on the term "Ruhullah" as well.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=174.0
Regarding the "trinity" it is God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ (born of a virgin), and the Spirit of God.
Here are 234 verses that declare God as the Father http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0
Here are over a hundred verses that indicate Jesus is the Son of God many in His own words http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=611.0
Here are about 120 verses that regard the Spirit of God http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2999.0
And really Ateef, spamming the same post in 4 times?!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2499.msg12318#msg12318
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2880.msg12319#msg12319
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3047.msg12320#msg12320
Perhaps the "worst beasts" are antichrist Islamist forum spammers! :)
wait let you taste death and then the curse and you shall know..
;D
Pro 24:17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. (Lu 6:45)
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man `unclean'. (Mt 15:18)
As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. (Pr 27:19)
It is an evil and despicable spirit that causes a man to rejoice in the iniquity of others. I pity you.
It is an evil and despicable spirit that causes a man to rejoice in the iniquity of others. I pity you. :'( :'( :'(
No do not pity me...Pity yourself for assisting a Fool .. Who is eluding you all...
my words made you give me those biblical lines
but honestly
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. (Lu 6:45)
this verses if u attribute to Pete would be better...
what you think is he's doing...He does not even know ISLAM.Indirectly He is Insulting and attributing things...Which are fake...
what more i can expect......See how much hatred is on this website,All fake things...
Whats on me ????
Did i insult any messenger...???What is he doing
And what do you people think...Only your nation has messenger..???
We are the generation of Prophet Muhammadh(Peace Be Upon Him) as a warner...
This Fellow wants Me to believe 1+1=1
which is 1+1=2...
and i say M=M
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
In fact even a kid would have noticed at least even he does not know them would say Lo !! they start wit the same letters
Periklytos, meaning famed, illustrious, or praiseworthy, rendered in Arabic as Ahmad,
John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever..
And He is Still Wit US...
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
He shall HEAR
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
He shall TESTIFY...
Now Think about a Prophet After Prophet Esa (peace be upon him) who testified???
Quote from: ateef on February 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
It is an evil and despicable spirit that causes a man to rejoice in the iniquity of others. I pity you. :'( :'( :'(
No do not pity me...Pity yourself for assisting a Fool .. Who is eluding you all...
my words made you give me those biblical lines
but honestly
The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. (Lu 6:45)
this verses if u attribute to Pete would be better...
what you think is he's doing...He does not even know ISLAM.Indirectly He is Insulting and attributing things...Which are fake...
what more i can expect...
I'll leave the preceding to Resisting. He may be otherwise occupied. I just happened to log in so I can field the rest.
Quote from: ateef on February 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM...See how much hatred is on this website,All fake things...
The only fake thing in this website is THE false prophet Muhammad, his STAND-ALONE 7th century invention, and his alter-ego - the Quraish pagan's - "Allah".
The only alternative is that ALL of the prophets and witnesses in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, and the sinless Messiah, are fake.
Quote from: ateef on February 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
Whats on me ????
Did i insult any messenger...???What is he doing
You blaspheme all the messengers by rejecting their testimony.
You blaspheme Yahweh by rejecting His record to us.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not
God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
You especially blaspheme the Messiah and the price he paid to save you from your sins, by rejecting the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
I point how how Satan is revealed through his prophet Muhammad.
Even if you wanted to insult Jesus intentionally, rather than through ignorance, you couldn't insult the only sinless man in the history of mankind through the historical record of him.
Muhammad insulted himself through his black-hearted behavior.
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said,
'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
That's
YOUR BOOKS not my words that insult Muhammad and his fellow cutthroats.
Quote from: ateef on February 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
And what do you people think...Only your nation has messenger..???
We are the generation of Prophet Muhammadh(Peace Be Upon Him) as a warner...
This Fellow wants Me to believe 1+1=1
which is 1+1=2...
So then you reject the suras from the Quran in which Muhammad's "Allah" declares he has a spirit.
Quote from: ateef on February 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
and i say M=M
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
If you read the Gospel instead of parroting liars like Deedat you would see that this is confirmed in the New Testament to be a Messianic prophecy. To be about Jesus.
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him,
We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
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And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that
ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father:
there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust. 46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Acts 3:22 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Act&c=3&v=22&t=KJV#22)
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=21&t=KJV#12) shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rom&c=9&t=KJV#7). 26
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Act 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
Moses was highly literate. Mohammed didn't even know how to read!
Quote from: ateef on February 25, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
In fact even a kid would have noticed at least even he does not know them would say Lo !! they start wit the same letters
Periklytos, meaning famed, illustrious, or praiseworthy, rendered in Arabic as Ahmad,
John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever..
And He is Still Wit US...
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
He shall HEAR
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
He shall TESTIFY...
Now Think about a Prophet After Prophet Esa (peace be upon him) who testified???
Again all you have to do is read the scriptures to save yourself this embarrassment.
Jhn 14:26 But
the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Now tell me you liar who is the HOLY GHOST and whats his name????
What you posting from bukhari and alll..those are the texts like your changed bibles...
According to Luke,
According to Jhon
everything according to...
In hadeeth
According to abu
According to
Do you have a BIBLE STRAIGHT from Prophet Esa (Pbuh)???
Listen I am free of You...I did not insult any Messenger Like You...Nor i have anything in my heart evil against Prophet Esa.
Disgraced and punished among those will be you....and not me...
What did i Reject you fool
You said Son of Almighty---I said Word of Almighty
You said Crucified----I said Saved
You say False Prophet Muhammadh---I say True Prophet Esa,Also True Prophet Muhammadh
You Say Three----I say One
Who is at Loss???
Guess You fool...Guess...Or ask your Mates
;D
Who is at Loss
I could Give You More But This Will be enuf for a loser like you...
Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AM
Now tell me you liar .......
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not
God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AM........ who is the HOLY GHOST and whats his name????
The Holy Ghost, is the Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of God in Jesus name. Read it again:
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send
in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
THE false prophet Muhammad came in his own name.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AMWhat you posting from bukhari and alll..those are the texts like your changed bibles...
Muammar Gaddafi tried to run and hide from the hadith too. Was almost beheaded for it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=892.0
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AMAccording to Luke,
According to Jhon
everything according to...
Yet you must reject them all of follow Muhammad and his alter-ego - the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" - and his recycled and thinly veneered Quraish pagan and occult Sabian rutuals
according to Muhammad.
http://www.petewaldo.com/origins_of_islam.htm
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AMIn hadeeth
According to abu
According to
Do you have a BIBLE STRAIGHT from Prophet Esa (Pbuh)???
We have much better. We have the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind THROUGH ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
You have Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record alone and not a single WITNESS ever heard his alter-ego "Allah" or Gabriel give a single revelation to, any more than anybody witnessed his magic flying donkey-mule.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AMListen I am free of You...I did not insult any Messenger Like You...
You not only insult them all, but you blaspheme them all, to follow Muhammad alone.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2714.0
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AM...Nor i have anything in my heart evil against Prophet Esa.
You reject and blaspheme Him when you reject His prophesies.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 07:46:11 AMDisgraced and punished among those will be you....and not me...
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and
the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
What did i Reject you fool
The WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - indeed the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Scriptures.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
You said Son of Almighty---I said Word of Almighty
You said Crucified----I said Saved
You say False Prophet Muhammadh---I say True Prophet Esa,Also True Prophet Muhammadh
Which is a Satanic blasphemous lie from straight out of the pit of hell.
The mass murdering (http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), female prisoner abusing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), child doing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), self-admitted terrorist (http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=terror&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), thief (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=booty&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all) Muhammad, was as opposite to the sinless Messiah, as his Quran is to the Gospel.
It is YOUR OWN BOOKS THAT INSULT MUHAMMAD, I simply point it out to you.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
You Say Three----I say One
Who is at Loss???
Guess You fool...Guess...Or ask your Mates
;D
Who is at Loss
I could Give You More But This Will be enuf for a loser like you...
Heb 4:12 For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE SON.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
Which is a Satanic blasphemous lie from straight out of the pit of hell.
The mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, imperialist conquering, self-admitted terrorist and thief Muhammad, was as opposite to the sinless Messiah, as his Quran is to the Gospel
Again you sinned...I spoke nothing wrong ...Look people so much hatred and lies in him
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the WORD hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE WORD OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the WORD [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the WORD of God?
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE WORD.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE WORD OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS WORD.
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE WORD OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE WORD. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE WORD, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the WORD hath the Father also].
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the WORD hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE WORD SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
We have much better. We have the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind THROUGH ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
You have Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record alone and not a single WITNESS ever heard his alter-ego "Allah" or Gabriel give a single revelation to, any more than anybody witnessed his magic flying donkey-mule.
OHHH YES>>>>THROUGH THESE ALL LANGUAGES.YOUR SCRIPTURES HAVE GONE
ARAMAIC>>>>SYRIAC>>>>GREEK>>>>LATIN>>>>HEBREW>>>>ENGLISH
ANYTIME DID YOU TRY KEEPING 100 people in a line and whispering in the First person ears and passing it till the end....Whats the PRODUCT???
THINK????
THOUGH YOU BOAST OF SO MANY RECORDS>..
I ASKED
Do you have a BIBLE STRAIGHT from Prophet Esa (Pbuh)???
Who is the HOLY GHOST and whats his name????
REPLY SATANS WEAKLING
;D
ALLAH IS ENOUGH AS A WITNESS , FOR WHAT WAS SENT...
SEAL OF PROPHETS, THE LAST PROPHET.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 09:43:24 AM
Which is a Satanic blasphemous lie from straight out of the pit of hell.
The mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, imperialist conquering, self-admitted terrorist and thief Muhammad, was as opposite to the sinless Messiah, as his Quran is to the Gospel
Again you sinned....
I realize how telling the truth in Islam could be viewed as a sin. But what you failed to do is point out which of the characterizations of Muhammad I acknowledged is untrue. SHOW ME. PICK ANY ONE AND CLICK ON THE LINK. Muhammad was a mass murdering (http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), female prisoner abusing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), child doing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), self-admitted terrorist (http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=terror&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), thief (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=booty&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), which cannot be denied by a reasonable person, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BOOKS. Simply click on one of the characterizations that you believe is wrong and see how it is revealed through your own books.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 09:43:24 AM....I spoke nothing wrong .....
It's understandable why a follower of Muhammad would see simple truth as being wrong.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 09:43:24 AM....Look people so much hatred and lies in him
The opposite of hatred is expressed my poor deluded friend. God loves you so much that He inspired those verses
to warn you where you are headed if you continue to reject the Gospel, to follow a single stand-alone 7th century false prophet who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. It is because of His love for you that He provided you the warnings.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the WORD hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE WORD OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the WORD [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the WORD of God?
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE WORD.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE WORD OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS WORD.
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE WORD OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE WORD. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE WORD, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the WORD hath the Father also].
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the WORD hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE WORD SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
Fool, I repeat again NO HADITH
NO HADITH
;D
Do you have a BIBLE STRAIGHT from Prophet Esa (Pbuh)
Who is the HOLY GHOST and whats his name?
;D ;D
These questions remained unanswered :P
THROUGH THESE ALL LANGUAGES.YOUR SCRIPTURES HAVE GONE
ARAMAIC>>>>SYRIAC>>>>GREEK>>>>LATIN>>>>HEBREW>>>>ENGLISH
ANYTIME DID YOU TRY KEEPING 100 people in a line and whispering in the First person ears and passing it till the end....Whats the PRODUCT??? AND YES + TRANSLATION
THINK?
AND NOW ANSWER YOU SATAN WHAT WILL BE THE OUTCOME????
ANSWER????
THOUGH YOU BOAST OF SO MANY RECORDS>..
ANSWER THIS FIRST THEN I WILL ANSWER!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Peter on March 10, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 09:43:24 AM
Which is a Satanic blasphemous lie from straight out of the pit of hell.
The mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, imperialist conquering, self-admitted terrorist and thief Muhammad, was as opposite to the sinless Messiah, as his Quran is to the Gospel
Again you sinned....
I realize how telling the truth in Islam could be viewed as a sin. But what you failed to do is point out which of the characterizations of Muhammad I acknowledged is untrue. SHOW ME. PICK ANY ONE AND CLICK ON THE LINK. Muhammad was a mass murdering (http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), female prisoner abusing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), child doing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), self-admitted terrorist (http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=terror&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), thief (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=booty&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), which cannot be denied by a reasonable person, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BOOKS. Simply click on one of the characterizations that you believe is wrong and see how it is revealed through your own books.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 09:43:24 AM....I spoke nothing wrong .....
It's understandable why a follower of Muhammad would see simple truth as being wrong.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 09:43:24 AM....Look people so much hatred and lies in him
The opposite of hatred is expressed my poor deluded friend. God loves you so much that He inspired those verses to warn you where you are headed if you continue to reject the Gospel, to follow a single stand-alone 7th century false prophet who proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. It is because of His love for you that He provided you the warnings.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the WORD hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE WORD OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the WORD [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the WORD of God?
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father AND THE WORD.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE WORD OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS WORD.
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE WORD OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE WORD. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE WORD, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the WORD hath the Father also].
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be FALSE TEACHERS among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, EVEN DENYING THE LORD THAT BOUGHT THEM, AND BRING UPON THEMSELVES SWIFT DESTRUCTION.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the WORD hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE WORD SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
YOUR OWN POST YOU SATAN DID YOU READ WHAT I HAD POSTED>SEE I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN..
SEE HOW YOU MISS THE GOOD PART.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
We have much better. We have the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind THROUGH ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
You have Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record alone and not a single WITNESS ever heard his alter-ego "Allah" or Gabriel give a single revelation to, any more than anybody witnessed his magic flying donkey-mule.
OHHH YES>>>>THROUGH THESE ALL LANGUAGES.YOUR SCRIPTURES HAVE GONE
ARAMAIC>>>>SYRIAC>>>>GREEK>>>>LATIN>>>>HEBREW>>>>ENGLISH
Indeed! We have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the New Testament that were penned prior to 300 A.D., in every popular language in the known world. That's EXACTLY HOW we can rest assured that the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel was the same in the first century as it is today today. The Gospel remains the same no matter what the language. The Messiah, our Savior, was crucified, died and resurrected on the third day, and all who have faith in His shed blood are saved from sin rather than dying in our sins and being separated from God forever. The sacrifice of the Messiah is the whole subject of the bible, whether in Old Testament prophecy or the New Testament fulfillment.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1773.0
Apparently you were unaware but all of the various versions of the Quran were collected up, and all but a preferred copy were burned, on two separate occasions. Once under Bakr and again under Uthman.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=96.0
See what a leading expert said about the oldest copy of the Quran that has been washed and written over:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2576.0
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
ANYTIME DID YOU TRY KEEPING 100 people in a line and whispering in the First person ears and passing it till the end....Whats the PRODUCT???
THINK????
EXACTLY! Just whispering a story around a circle from ear to ear will render it virtually unidentifiable to the original story teller in just a half hour's time, won't it!
You just described why the Quran is in such a state that of disarray that about 1/5 of it is unintelligible. It was PASSED DOWN ORALLY. The EXACT OPPOSITE of all of the WRITTEN RECORD of all those manuscripts that you admitted to as the scriptures were transmitted.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AMTHOUGH YOU BOAST OF SO MANY RECORDS>..
I ASKED
Do you have a BIBLE STRAIGHT from Prophet Esa (Pbuh)???
The entirety of the bible was penned BY WITNESSES.
The Quran was written by Jabr, and Muhammad's tri-lingual secretary, and his marginally Christian and Jewish wives, slaves and concubines, containing plagiarized fables and such.
Here's an thread on its inspiration.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0
It became such a preposterous mess that a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
LOSER-- CRAP--- FOOL ----BASTARD...PIECE OF SHIT----ARE YOU....SATAN"S WEAKLING :P :P :P :P
CURSE BE UPON YOU....WHO SEEKETH EVIL AND SPREAD EVIL AND PRACTICE EVIL ;D
I NEVER ENJOYED IN MY LIFE INSULTING SUM1 LIKE YOU...AND I SEE NO HARM IN DOING IT ALSO
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
CHANGING TOPICS....JUMPING QUESTIONS>>>>SPREADING FLASE HOOD>..
YOU LOST WRETCH WOLF.
BE A MAN ...REASON WITH A REASON...
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
Who is the HOLY GHOST and whats his name????
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God in Jesus name.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AMREPLY SATANS WEAKLING
;D
Tell me what the name of Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah's" spirit's name is.
Sura 32.9: But He fashioned him in due proportion,
and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!
Sura 15.29: "When
I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him
of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Sura 2.87 We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the
holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
What is the name of Muhammad's alter-ego Allah's spirit?
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:08:33 PM
LOSER-- CRAP--- FOOL ----BASTARD...PIECE OF sh*t----ARE YOU....SATAN"S WEAKLING :P :P :P :P
CURSE BE UPON YOU....WHO SEEKETH EVIL AND SPREAD EVIL AND PRACTICE EVIL ;D
I NEVER ENJOYED IN MY LIFE INSULTING SUM1 LIKE YOU...AND I SEE NO HARM IN DOING IT ALSO
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
CHANGING TOPICS....JUMPING QUESTIONS>>>>SPREADING FLASE HOOD>..
YOU LOST WRETCH WOLF.
BE A MAN ...REASON WITH A REASON...
Judging by this post I'm going to guess that you actually clicked on the links to these characterizations and found that you could not deny that Muhammad was a mass murdering (http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), female prisoner abusing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), child doing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), self-admitted terrorist (http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=terror&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all) and thief (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=booty&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), which cannot be denied by a reasonable person, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BOOKS.
OH YES SURELY I KNOW WITHOUT CRUCIFICATION YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO BASE
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
IT WILL HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER IS IT????
YES IT IS
QURAN PASD ORALLY and WRITTEN AS WELL YES BUT WITH NO INTERFERENCE OF SO MANY LANGUAGES
QURAN IS A VERY EASY TASK TO BY HEART
EVEN 6-8 YRS OLD MUSLIM KID DO
DO YOUR CATHOLIC KIDS DO ???
DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BY HEARTED SCRIPTURES MORE THAN US MUSLIMS ARE???
IS IT EASY TO BY HEART A BIBLE???
ON CONTRARY LISTEN YOU FOOL
THE BIBLE IS COLLECTION OF DIFFRENT MATTERS...SOME FROM HERE SOME FROM DER>>>SOME ACCORDING TO HIM>>>>SOME ACCORDING TO THEMM
WITH INTERFERENCE OF SO MANY LANGUAGES!!!
YOU MAKE ME LAUGH...SURELY YOU DO
NOW DOES IT DESCRIBE SOMETHING ELSE WELL
MORE LIKE YOUR REFERENCES ISNT IT??
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AMALLAH IS ENOUGH AS A WITNESS , FOR WHAT WAS SENT...
The problem is that Allah is Muhammad and Muhammad is Allah.
Why do you think his alter-ego lavished on Muhammad all the wives he wanted - but only for him?
Why did his alter-ego award Muhammad 1/5 of all the property he and his fellow cutthroats stole from others, just like a Mafia Don?
Why did his alter-ego give him a special sura so he could steal his step-son's only wife?
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
SEAL OF PROPHETS, THE LAST PROPHET.
He was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the prophets that has you prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day, and even traveling to it and marching around it like the Arabian pagans did, lining the pockets of the Saudis.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0
Let alone having you run back and forth between al-safa and al-marwah 7 times as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1282.0
And copied the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabian moon god worshipers who:
1. prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated while praying
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon
5. wore long white robes
Sound familiar
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
Quote from: Peter on March 10, 2012, 02:16:48 PM
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:08:33 PM
LOSER-- CRAP--- FOOL ----BASTARD...PIECE OF sh*t----ARE YOU....SATAN"S WEAKLING :P :P :P :P
CURSE BE UPON YOU....WHO SEEKETH EVIL AND SPREAD EVIL AND PRACTICE EVIL ;D
I NEVER ENJOYED IN MY LIFE INSULTING SUM1 LIKE YOU...AND I SEE NO HARM IN DOING IT ALSO
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
CHANGING TOPICS....JUMPING QUESTIONS>>>>SPREADING FLASE HOOD>..
YOU LOST WRETCH WOLF.
BE A MAN ...REASON WITH A REASON...
Judging by this post I'm going to guess that you actually clicked on the links to these characterizations and found that you could not deny that Muhammad was a mass murdering (http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm), female prisoner abusing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), child doing (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=aisha+nine+years&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), self-admitted terrorist (http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=terror&chapter=&translator=2&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all) and thief (http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=booty&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all), which cannot be denied by a reasonable person, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BOOKS.
I DID CLICK.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I READ.I KNOW THE TRUTH>>>MUCH BETTER THAN YOU...
I SWEAR THAT WAS NOT THE REASON...YOU MORON
NEVER....
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
OH YES SURELY I KNOW WITHOUT CRUCIFICATION YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO BASE
That's right. Without the crucifixion there is no such thing as the Gospel, because that's its WHOLE SUBJECT. Old Testament and New Testament prophets prophecies would be false. Muhammad denied the crucifixion through Satan's inspiration by way of Khadijah's Ebionite occult priest Waraqa.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2749.0
Muhammad even admitted that Satan put words in his mouth. He even thought it was a demon in that cave until Khadijah talked him out of it.
Do you see how you can't help but blaspheme the Messiah by rejecting His own prophecy of His crucifixion, death and resurrection, because you follow Muhammad alone?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them,
Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
And you blaspheme the Old Testament prophets who prophesied Jesus crucifixion many hundreds of years before Jesus was ever manifest on earth.
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me:
they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
That was written hundreds of years before crucifixion was even invented.
Confirmed as fulfilled by the New Testament witnesses.
Matthew 27:35
And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Your mouth is filled with blasphemy just as was so perfectly prophesied of Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast":
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
IT WILL HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER IS IT????
YES IT IS
QURAN PASD ORALLY and WRITTEN AS WELL YES BUT WITH NO INTERFERENCE OF SO MANY LANGUAGES
QURAN IS A VERY EASY TASK TO BY HEART
But that was only after it was written so long after Muhammad, and burned twice and finally decided on. Reciters were wandering around reciting all kinds of false things. The Shiites claim 25% of it is still missing today.
Aisha claimed a goat ate part of it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1067.0
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
EVEN 6-8 YRS OLD MUSLIM KID DO
DO YOUR CATHOLIC KIDS DO ???
DO YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BY HEARTED SCRIPTURES MORE THAN US MUSLIMS ARE???
IS IT EASY TO BY HEART A BIBLE???
ON CONTRARY LISTEN YOU FOOL
THE BIBLE IS COLLECTION OF DIFFRENT MATTERS...SOME FROM HERE SOME FROM DER>>>SOME ACCORDING TO HIM>>>>SOME ACCORDING TO THEMM
WITH INTERFERENCE OF SO MANY LANGUAGES!!!
YOU MAKE ME LAUGH...SURELY YOU DO
My friend it is Satan himself that will have you laughing all the way until you join him.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:22:09 PM
NOW DOES IT DESCRIBE SOMETHING ELSE WELL
MORE LIKE YOUR REFERENCES ISNT IT??
Quote from: Peter on March 10, 2012, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AMALLAH IS ENOUGH AS A WITNESS , FOR WHAT WAS SENT...
The problem is that Allah is Muhammad and Muhammad is Allah.
Why do you think his alter-ego lavished on Muhammad all the wives he wanted - but only for him?
Why did his alter-ego award Muhammad 1/5 of all the property he and his fellow cutthroats stole from others, just like a Mafia Don?
Why did his alter-ego give him a special sura so he could steal his step-son's only wife?
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
SEAL OF PROPHETS, THE LAST PROPHET.
He was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the prophets that has you prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day, and even traveling to it and marching around it like the Arabian pagans did, lining the pockets of the Saudis.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0
Let alone having you run back and forth between al-safa and al-marwah 7 times as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1282.0
And copied the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabian moon god worshipers who:
1. prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated while praying
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon
5. wore long white robes
Sound familiar
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
DO YOU THINK WE UNLIKE YOU,
JESUS IS GOD AND GOD IS JESUS
NAH, ALLAH IS THE ONE AND PROPHET MUHAMMADH HIS MESSENGER
He was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the prophets that has you prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day
OH you FOOL....WE DO NOT PROSTATE TO MECCAS BLACK STONE
WE PROSTATE TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF SACRED MOSQUE>>>DIRECTION
And copied the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabian moon god worshipers who:
1. prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated while praying
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon
5. wore long white robes
OH MOON GOD>>>WELL THEN WE DO NOT DO FOR ANY MOON GOD>>>OUR ALLAH IS THE ONE FOR WHOM WE BOW...AND HE IS ONE
1. prayed five times a day I LIKE IT BETTER THAN THOSE WHO GO ONLY ON A SUNDAY
2. performed ablution I LIKE IT BETTER THAN THOSE WHO GO TO PRAY UNCLEAN>EVEN WEARING SHOES INSIDE>>>STAMPING WHAT NOT ON PATH>>>>SMELLING WHAT NOT>>>
3. prostrated while praying I LIKE IT....ATLEAST I AM PROSTATING TOWARDS ALLAH>>
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon WOW THATS MUCH BETTER>>>FASTING IS THE BEST TO GET THE ALMIGHTYS LOVE
5. wore long white robes >>>> I LIKE IT I LOVE WHITE ROBES>>>AND ALSO THE COLOUR>>>GOOD CONDUCTER OF HEAT>>>BEST IN DESERT AREAS
I LOVE ALLAH
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Peter on March 10, 2012, 02:22:19 PM
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AMALLAH IS ENOUGH AS A WITNESS , FOR WHAT WAS SENT...
The problem is that Allah is Muhammad and Muhammad is Allah.
Why do you think his alter-ego lavished on Muhammad all the wives he wanted - but only for him?
Why did his alter-ego award Muhammad 1/5 of all the property he and his fellow cutthroats stole from others, just like a Mafia Don?
Why did his alter-ego give him a special sura so he could steal his step-son's only wife?
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 10:02:17 AM
SEAL OF PROPHETS, THE LAST PROPHET.
He was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the prophets that has you prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day, and even traveling to it and marching around it like the Arabian pagans did, lining the pockets of the Saudis.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0
Let alone having you run back and forth between al-safa and al-marwah 7 times as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1282.0
And copied the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabian moon god worshipers who:
1. prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated while praying
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon
5. wore long white robes
Sound familiar
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
DO YOU THINK WE UNLIKE YOU,
JESUS IS GOD AND GOD IS JESUS
It isn't about how we "think". It is about how the ONE true God revealed Himself through His 1600 year record. We have a whole forum category on the subject to help you understand that you don't have to put God in a box as small as the imagination of a 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate could conceive.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=40.0
Rev 1:7 Behold,
he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and
they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.Deny it at your peril.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:35:13 PMNAH, ALLAH IS THE ONE AND PROPHET MUHAMMADH HIS MESSENGER
He was THE EXACT OPPOSITE of the prophets that has you prostrating to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day
OH you FOOL....WE DO NOT PROSTATE TO MECCAS BLACK STONE
Come on my friend Muhammad's followers even kiss and rub on the Quraish pagan's idol. At a minimum they are required to at least point to it each time they march around the Quraish pagan's kaaba. Didn't you visit the link?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2039.0
(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/42553621_mashaalap416.jpg)
You cannot deny you venerate the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagans venerated for a couple hundred years before Muhammad.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2444.0
It would seem Yahweh even arranged to have the Quraish pagan's idol smashed to pieces, like Abraham smashed his father's idols, but Muhammad's followers cobbled the pieces back together and continue to venerate that broken stone idol unto today.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
WE PROSTATE TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF SACRED MOSQUE>>>DIRECTION
You prostrate to the Quraish pagan's kaaba that they built in the early 5th century AD for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship. Here's the actual story of its construction.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1133.0
The Quraish pagan's kaaba is located 1200 kilometers AWAY from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs where Yahweh had His people build His temple on Mt. Moriah.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/#temple
(http://www.historyofmecca.com/029b4810.jpg)
It was built on the temple mount very near where the Islamic abomination the Dome of the Rock sits today,
in THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
(http://www.societieswithsecrets.com/temple_mount_450.jpg)
Here's the Quraish pagan's Kaaba - located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land - inundated with urban floodwater, that is always laced with sewage.(http://www.historyofmecca.com/02cf4710.jpg)
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
And copied the 2nd century occult cult of the Sabian moon god worshipers who:
1. prayed five times a day
2. performed ablution
3. prostrated while praying
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon
5. wore long white robes
OH MOON GOD>>>WELL THEN WE DO NOT DO FOR ANY MOON GOD>>>
The etymology of the name "Allah" suggests it was the name of the Arabian moon god.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2265.0
Quoting Dr. Rafat Amari from "Islam: In Light of History" on the etymology of the name "Allah".
"We know that the term "Allah," as the god of the moon, was derived from the Thamud god of the moon. His name was Hilal, or Hlal, which means "crescent." Later, the name "Hilal" became Hilah, as we see in many inscriptions which were found in Arabia. In the Thamud inscriptions he is found as H-ilah, Ha-ilah and H-alah. We see the same development for "Hilah," the moon deity in Yemen, where Almaqah is called "Halal,' or "Hilal, the Crescent."
Safaitic tribes were nomads wandering in many parts of Arabia, especially in the north. The god of the moon was found in their inscriptions as "H-lah." in the Safaitic inscriptions, the letter "H" pronounced as "Ha" is the definite article, "the." It corresponds to the Arabic, "Al." This led the Arabians to call him "Al-lah.""
Much more here
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2265.0
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God,
to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:35:13 PMOUR ALLAH IS THE ONE FOR WHOM WE BOW...AND HE IS ONE
1. prayed five times a day I LIKE IT BETTER THAN THOSE WHO GO ONLY ON A SUNDAY
Because you are of the children of the flesh your interests are of the things of the flesh. That's why it makes sense to you to pray the way the Quraish pagans and Sabian moon worshipers did. But what did the one true God of the scriptures reveal about Salat?
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Quote from: ateef on March 10, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
2. performed ablution I LIKE IT BETTER THAN THOSE WHO GO TO PRAY UNCLEAN>EVEN WEARING SHOES INSIDE>>>STAMPING WHAT NOT ON PATH>>>>SMELLING WHAT NOT>>>
3. prostrated while praying I LIKE IT....ATLEAST I AM PROSTATING TOWARDS ALLAH>>
4. fasted for 30 days in observance of the moon WOW THATS MUCH BETTER>>>FASTING IS THE BEST TO GET THE ALMIGHTYS LOVE
5. wore long white robes >>>> I LIKE IT I LOVE WHITE ROBES>>>AND ALSO THE COLOUR>>>GOOD CONDUCTER OF HEAT>>>BEST IN DESERT AREAS
I LOVE ALLAH
I understand who you were ordered to love. It's just sad that Allah is Muhammad and the false prophet Muhammad is Allah.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2693.0
Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith
till he loves me more than his father and his children." (Book #2, Hadith #13)
Narrated Anas: The Prophet said "None of you will have faith
till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind." (Book #2, Hadith #14)
THE False Prophet
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2693.0
Muhammad Thought the Spirit in Cave Hira Was a Demon (DQ1-5) - Coptic priest Zakaria Botrous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw
What Did Mohammed Do In the Cave Hira? (DQ1-3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNbzevID550
Muhammad Already Knew "Gabriel" Was a Demon (DQ-9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk0dQCpglb4
Muhammed's First Wife (of 14) & The Jinn (Demons) (DQ1-4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZgAgZqhrBU
How Could Islam Allow One Woman To Do this? (DQ1-8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBp5dyLHlts
Early on in this thread you said:
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 04:27:37 AMA lie against or an allegation towards any of the Prophet is a Sin and deserves a seat in Hell.
Yet I have shown you that when you reject Jesus' own prophecy of His crucifixion, death and resurrection, you lie against the prophet Jesus. When you reject the prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion by the Old Testament prophets, you lie against them as well. Since that is the whole subject of the Gospel, when you reject it you lie against all of the prophets, apostles and witnesses of the New Testament.
Here is a YouTube and text version.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2641.0
So according to all your allegations against the scriptures, and lies against the prophets, where do think the seat is that you deserve?
Why don't we move out of this Islam on Scripture combat zone ateef, and over to the category where I can introduce you to the love of the one true God of the scriptures, whose people have followed Him for 3500 years, by all of His prophets and witnesses as revealed in His 1600 year record?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=55.0
Quote from: Peter on March 10, 2012, 04:44:13 PM
Early on in this thread you said:
Quote from: ateef on February 12, 2012, 04:27:37 AMA lie against or an allegation towards any of the Prophet is a Sin and deserves a seat in Hell.
Yet I have shown you that when you reject Jesus' own prophecy of His crucifixion, death and resurrection, you lie against the prophet Jesus. When you reject the prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion by the Old Testament prophets, you lie against them as well. Since that is the whole subject of the Gospel, when you reject it you lie against all of the prophets, apostles and witnesses of the New Testament.
Here is a YouTube and text version.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2641.0
So according to all your allegations against the scriptures, and lies against the prophets, where do think the seat is that you deserve?
Why don't we move out of this Islam on Scripture combat zone ateef, and over to the category where I can introduce you to the love of the one true God of the scriptures, whose people have followed Him for 3500 years, by all of His prophets and witnesses as revealed in His 1600 year record?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=55.0
Why don't you move out of this Islam on Scripture combat zone and delete the false and absurd posts and over to the category where you can introduce to others the love of the one true God of the scriptures, whose people have followed Him for 3500 years, by all of His prophets and witnesses as revealed in His 1600 year record?And Gain some goodness..
Think???
Why are You so much obsessed???
When I told you that black stone is just a stone for me...Nothing bigger than Allah...
The Direction is what towards what we bow...
Whats Wrong with you again crucification...Cant You get it you fool...The crucified was someone else...You fool...
Is only crucification what counts for you...
Why are you deliberately nailing Prophet to the Cross???
are you among those Romans AND PAGANS AND FOOLISH JEWS,HYPOCRITES who did so???
cant you understand its a very easy matter for almighty to replace anyone...AND SAVE HIS OWN MESSENGER...SO DID HE FOR OTHERS...SAVED THEM
PAGAN GODS ARE MANY
TRUE BELIEVERS GOD IS ONE AND THEY DO NOT ASSOCIATE ANYTHING WITH IT..
Peter Listen...
YOU HAVE BECOME OLD...DO NOT YE KNOW WHEN THE DEATH WILL STRIKE YOU...
MAKE THE BEST USE OF YOUR LIFE...NOT TO SPREAD POISON..BUT GOODNESS...SPREAD THE LOVE...
I SHALL SURELY TESTIFY OF WHAT YOU WROTE..AND WHAT I READ...
YOU MIGHT DEBATE WITH ME...IN THIS WORLD
BUT ALLAH IS VERY SWIFT...YOU WONT GET A CHANCE...DER
AGAIN I REPEAT YOU HAVE BECOME OLD...THIS WILL LEAD YOU NOWHERE...
YES SEARCH FOR GOOD THINGS AND YOU SHALL FIND....
YOU HAVE BECOME OLD...