5-22-11
hello
am sending this message as it is not related to the video we are discussing. plz read it if u are not busy
I am from Saudi Arabia and before I came 2 Australia 2 years ago and I started reading and trying to understand Christianity since the last year. and to be honest with u I put myself in the middle between Islam and Christianity to make the right choice. SO FAR, Islam does make since to me. Actually my faith in Islam is much much higher than before I came to Australia.
SOME of wht make me believe in Mohammed as a profit is that his miracles are still happening and it will happen in the future which is amazing. I will give u just 2 examples.
1 - Mohammed told us that there is a Signs are going to happen means that the day of judgement (end of the world) is getting closer one of them is about the ppl of the Arab world "Bidwens". Mohammed said that they will have a very high wealth and they are gong to have high buildings. look at Dubai today (they are Bidwens) even in Makkah we have the biggest and highest clock in the world. so Mohammed was right about this but how did he know.
2 - another amazing thing he said the day of judgement wont occur before the Arabian area (Saudi Arabia) is "return green" and there will be rivers and life (not desert). he said return which means it used to be green. science approved that the area of Saudi Arabia used to be green thousands of years ago. I addition scientifically, there are predictions that the Saudi Arabia is goin to be green in the future. once again he is right
wht do you think?
one last thing
what make confused about your faith is summarized is this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPgXGifJFs
can u give me better answers plz
have a good day
Sent to: islamexplored
5-25
[[[[hello
am sending this message as it is not related to the video we are discussing. plz read it if u are not busy]]]]]
I will be happy to devote as much time for you as you require. However I would first ask if you would copy and paste this link into your browser and READ THIS PAGE before you reply back to me.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
[[[[I am from Saudi Arabia and before I came 2 Australia 2 years ago and I started reading and trying to understand Christianity since the last year.]]]]
A good place to start is the Gospel of John. The most widely respected and read King James version is available free on line. You can access it here.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
I recommend following that with the First Epistle of John.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/first_epistle_john.htm
[[[I am from Saudi Arabia and before I came 2 Australia 2 years ago and I started reading and trying to understand Christianity since the last year. [ and to be honest with u I put myself in the middle between Islam and Christianity to make the right choice. SO FAR, Islam does make since to me. Actually my faith in Islam is much much higher than before I came to Australia.
SOME of wht make me believe in Mohammed as a profit is that his miracles are still happening and it will happen in the future which is amazing.]]]]]
Even Muhammad said he was only a warner, and couldn't and wouldn't perform miracles, and he never did perform a single miracle, true to his statement.
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people. S. 13:7
[[[[[ I will give u just 2 examples.
1 - Mohammed told us that there is a Signs are going to happen means that the day of judgement (end of the world) is getting closer one of them is about the ppl of the Arab world "Bidwens". Mohammed said that they will have a very high wealth and they are gong to have high buildings. look at Dubai today (they are Bidwens) even in Makkah we have the biggest and highest clock in the world.]]]]]
Just imagine how many poor starving kids in Africa might have been fed with the money that was squandered on building the biggest clock in the world. Of what good end was building that clock, when people carry clocks right on their wrists and in cell phones?
All of the kingdoms of the earth have been Satan's legal possession, ever since Adam's fall. The wealth and the things of this world, that distract us from the things of the Spirit are of Satan. Are you saying you approve of the things that the Saudi monarchy does with the money that they get for sitting around on their butts? Are they taking care of the poor, or living lavish life-styles instead? Only recently did they toss a bone or two to their people in hopes of quelling riots.
No, my friend, the kingdoms of this world are Satan's legal property, and that's why Islam has always lusted after control of these kingdoms for 1400 years.
[[[[[....so Mohammed was right about this but how did he know.]]]]]
That is not a miracle, nor even a prophecy. Even in Muhammad's lifetime he watched Mecca grow and become more prosperous, so it was nothing more than projecting an observation, into the future. Indeed the growing prosperity of Mecca is why he lusted after control of the Quraish pagan's Kaaba Inc.. For the wealth that it brought in from other areas during the Hajj, through the worship of the moon, sun, stars in Tawaf of the Kaaba and even jinn-devil worship of the Sa'ee.
Regarding the building in Dubai we can see how it is purely of Satan, one, because the folks that can afford to, and enjoy traveling there, like Hollywood and worldly multi-national corporate types outside of the Spirit of God, like Michael Jackson and Paris Hilton. Secondly the building was put together with SLAVE LABOR by victimizing workers brought in from outside of Dubai. The whole project was purely evil, all around.
Please watch the video and tell me as to whether you believe modern day building built with slave labor, to entertain Hollywood types, is something like that is of God or is of Satan, the ruler of the kingdoms and things of this world.
sent with "slaves of dubai" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEWUKy1k9WY
[[[[2 - another amazing thing he said the day of judgement wont occur before the Arabian area (Saudi Arabia) is "return green" and there will be rivers and life (not desert). he said return which means it used to be green. science approved that the area of Saudi Arabia used to be green thousands of years ago. I addition scientifically, there are predictions that the Saudi Arabia is goin to be green in the future. once again he is right
wht do you think?]]]]
What should I think? You are so wishful, that you are wishing that something were true, that hasn't even come to pass yet, just because some guy predicts that it WILL BE.
Please read the page at this link to understand what genuine prophecy is all about.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
Here is a little preview.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day
So when Jesus prophesied His own crucifixion, and being raised from the dead on the third day, he referenced a passage in the Old Testament book of Psalms. What did that passage that Jesus referenced say, that was written many hundreds of years before Jesus' crucifixion, and even many hundreds of years before crucifixion was ever even invented?
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.*
It was fulfilled through the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and confirmed in the Gospel just as detailed in Psalms.
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw
sent with "the blood" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw
I just tried this search - paris hilton dubai
Please do that search, and tell me whether you think the slave labor built hotel in Dubai is of God, or is of Satan.
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=paris+hilton+dubai&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=456959a837d449c5&biw=1152&bih=595
5-25-11
[[[2 - another amazing thing he said the day of judgement wont occur before the Arabian area (Saudi Arabia) is "return green" and there will be rivers and life (not desert). he said return which means it used to be green. science approved that the area of Saudi Arabia used to be green thousands of years ago. I addition scientifically, there are predictions that the Saudi Arabia is goin to be green in the future. once again he is right
wht do you think?]]]]
Compare your wishful thinking, about what you hope will come to pass in the future, with this FULFILLED prophecy, prophesied 2500 years before it came to pass, by copy and pasting the link below.
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/parable_fig_tree.htm#jerusalem_desolate
sent with "gaza & Israel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZF93B2iQHA
5-25 Huss
excellent point
when Mohammed talked about this wealth. he wasn't talk about it as a good thing. what is happening there is extremely bad. ppl there are a way from Islam. many of them saying we are Muslims and they are a way from wht islam teaches. wht Mohammed said that Islam will be strange religion, even for Muslims themselves and thats wht is happening now.
there is a lot of racism there as well. the Quran telling us that if we chose to follow parts of the Quran and ignoring others as wht is happening today we will be the worst ppl and the Quran is right.
u mentioned things about the poverty in Africa. do you know that it is obligation for muslims to donate 2.5% of there annual savings? Just in Saudi Arabia, if Muslims especially rich muslims follow Islam properly, there wont be a poverty in Africa. those who dont pay it, they will be punished by God in the day of judgement according to the Islamic teaches.
the Question is are Muslims in the Muslim countries specifically are following Islam as it teaches? NO. NOT EVEN SAUDI ARABIA.
do you know why all this corrupt in the muslim countries? 2 reasons
first one: all wht their leaders want is to be leaders.
second: satisfying USA or other countries to support them to stay.
apparently, the revolutions are happening to change the face of the Arab world
In my first reply I wrote
"I will be happy to devote as much time for you as you require. However I would first ask if you would copy and paste this link into your browser and READ THIS PAGE before you reply back to me.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm "
Did you read that page before you replied?
sent with "the blood"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw
5-25 Huss
Islam is against this >>>> I wont be a muslim if this what islam teach
[[[Islam is against this >>>> I wont be a muslim if this what islam teach]]]]
This is the problem with chatting in YouTube. How could I even know which comment you were referring to.
That Muhammad taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
I can copy and paste our chat into the forum, and protect your YouTube identity. You can register under whatever username you like and I can assign that to the chat.
In the forum we can see the whole chat at a glance, find parts with a super search function, we can quote each other, post live links, and have a thoughtful and sincere chat over time, as we both research the subjects we bring up. If you like I can devote a thread to just the two of us so we won't be interrupted.
There is a link to the forum on every one of my videos and links to it on my channel page.
sent with "jihad" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
5-25 Huss
there is something u should know.
The Quran telling us that the Bible is currupt, how ever it didn't say the entire book which means there are a right things. the most important point Quran disagree with the bible is there is no trinity. we have (God, Jesus and the holy spirit) are separated.
in the firs message u asked me to read the gospel of John to start
I will read it and I will get back to you later
[[[[there is something u should know.
The Quran telling us that the Bible is currupt, how ever it didn't say the entire book which means there are a right things. the most important point Quran disagree with the bible is there is no trinity. we have (God, Jesus and the holy spirit) are separated.
in the firs message u asked me to read the gospel of John to start
I will read it and I will get back to you later]]]]]
Before you begin reading the Gospel would you please read that page regarding prophecy by Jesus, of His crucifixion, then go on to the Gospel? The page won't take long.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
5-25 Huss
[[[[[Before you begin reading the Gospel would you please read that page regarding prophecy by Jesus, of His crucifixion, then go on to the Gospel? The page won't take long.]]]]]
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
sorry 4 the confusion. actually I will take long reading this coz my English is not perfect and if u can give me the main message of this I would appreciate it. and the other thing I prefer to understand the basics of Christianity. How come 3 gods but they are one?
I found something interesting last night and I investigated about it. Mathew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in the heaven, nor the son but only the father" this is a clear distinction between the father and the son.
Some manuscripts do not have "nor the Son" which one is right and why?
5-25 Huss
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkKTaxOqHiY&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI1Ydn8P9FY&feature=related
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrY9tzgeCk&feature=related
just found it
5-25
{{{{{[[[[[Before you begin reading the Gospel would you please read that page regarding prophecy by Jesus, of His crucifixion, then go on to the Gospel? The page won't take long.]]]]]
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
sorry 4 the confusion. actually I will take long reading this coz my English is not perfect.......}}}}}
I recently added an Arabic section to the forum. I would love for you to give me an opinion on it. I used the Google translator for the parts that aren't scripture.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=71.0
[[[[[....... and if u can give me the main message of this I would appreciate it.]]]]]
The main message of that page is the main message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The crucifixion, death, and resurrection of the Lamb of God to save all from sin who have faith in His shed blood.
That page discusses Jesus' own prophesy of His crucifixion, in which he made reference to a prophecy from way back in the Old Testament book of Psalms from hundreds of years before Him.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, WHICH WERE WRITTEN IN the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] THE PSALMS, concerning me.
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Here is that prophecy that Jesus was talking about.
PSALMS 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Here that prophet is referenced by the New Testament witnesses of the crucifixion as being fulfilled.
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
[[[[[and the other thing I prefer to understand the basics of Christianity.]]]]]
The WHOLE SUBJECT of Christianity is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It doesn't get any more basic than that.
Anyone who rejects that - rejects Jesus Christ.
There has not been a single Christian over the last 2,000 years that has denied that Jesus was crucified, died and was resurrected. If one did, he wouldn't be a Christian!
Nor has there even been a Jew of any mainstream Jewish sect, that does not acknowledge Jesus was killed.
His death is also confirmed by secular historians.
Anyone who doesn't believe Jesus was crucified, doesn't believe in Jesus. It's the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
If listening is easier please watch the video.
sent with "the blood"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Rgcw5lDw
5-25 Huss
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkKTaxOqHiY&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI1Ydn8P9FY&feature=related
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrY9tzgeCk&feature=related
just found it
5-26
[[[[check this ... it is shocked
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkKTaxOqHiY&feature=related
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI1Ydn8P9FY&feature=related
part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJrY9tzgeCk&feature=related
just found it]]]]
Why is it that Muhammad's followers don't hesitate for a moment, to side with atheists and agnostics, in their hatred of Jesus?
Why would you cite these videos without even investigating their content?
Did you google the subject before you joined these Jesus haters?
Most of the claims are false (others are simple coincidences) and come from a 19th century author, that was soundly refuted by Christian and secular scholars in the early 20th century, and then recently resurrected by a bunch of internet liars. You don't have to take my word for it. Google the subject with the word lies next to it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2571.0
How does scripture weigh in on it?
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
sent with "Jesus - Isa" Son video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE
5-26 Huss
intersting video abut still unconvincing espacially when the speaker started talk about Surah 112:2 (7:44 in the video) he asked if God doesn't beget, from where Jesus came then?
let me follow this by another question.. If God created someone without a father, does that mean God is the father?
God created Adam from no mother nor father. as he is able to do this he is able to create Jesus inside a woman (Mary). we don't make any distinction between Jesus and Adam peace be upon them.
God created Adam from clay, Adam is the father of human beings, including Christ. And Eve is the mother of human beings.
5-26
[[[[intersting video abut still unconvincing espacially when the speaker started talk about Surah 112:2 (7:44 in the video) he asked if God doesn't beget, from where Jesus came then?]]]]
But isn't that a good question? Did Mary conceive Jesus all by herself?
Was Mary the mother AND the father of Jesus Christ?
Did you check the Arabic language category of the forum and the 234 verses in the scriptures that declare God the Father?
I really would appreciate your opinion regarding that section as far as the Arabic language is concerned. Try this link regarding God the Father.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2539.0
It seems a little sticky right now, so our server may be under attack. If you can't acquire the link please try again later. Because of Islamic cyber-terror attacks, the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, may before long, be eliminated from the world wide web.
1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
[[[[let me follow this by another question.. If God created someone without a father, does that mean God is the father?]]]]
More specifically put, if a virgin conceives a child, directly by the will of God, does that mean God is the father?
Who else?
As regards the only such known instance of this in the history of the mankind, the answer is a resounding YES, particularly since there are about 234 verses in the scriptures that declare God as Jesus' Father
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm
And many more in which Jesus declares God as His Father and Himself as the Son of God
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2538.0
[[[[God created Adam from no mother nor father.]]]]]
That's right. God created Adam from the dust of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
I am sure you agree it is an entirely different case regarding a virgin conceiving a child by the direct will of God.
[[[[[...... as he is able to do this he is able to create Jesus inside a woman (Mary).]]]]
What happened to your logic? You are trying to draw an equivalence to Adam by saying. "God created Adam from no mother nor father." even as you admit that Jesus had a mother.
[[[[ we don't make any distinction between Jesus and Adam peace be upon them.]]]]]
But how does that view hold water, since Adam was formed from the dust of the ground, while the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ, was conceived by a virgin, by the direct intervention of Yahweh?
[[[[God created Adam from clay, ........]]]]]
That may be what Muhammad said, but Adam was formed from the dust of the ground. But it isn't hard to see where Muhammad's coaches got the idea.
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou [art] our father; we [are] the clay, and thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of thy hand.
[[[[[........ Adam is the father of human beings, including Christ.]]]]]
But even you must admit that Christ was conceived by the virgin Mary, by the direct intervention of God. So how can you then suggest that Adam is His father?
[[[[[[ And Eve is the mother of human beings.]]]]
sent with "The Term Begotten Was Added to Scripture Later"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqaTORB5WdU
5-27 Huss
[[[[[But isn't that a good question? Did Mary conceive Jesus all by herself?
Was Mary the mother AND the father of Jesus Christ?]]]]]
does God have the ability to create a human inside a woman??? YES GOD CAN
JESUS HAS NO FATHER >>> GOD CREATED HIM INSIDE MARY AS HE CREATED ADAM OUTSIDE
Answer this Question (WHO IS THE FATHER OF ADAM???????????????????)
GOD HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE ANY THING THE WAY HE DECIDE AND HE DISIDE TO CREATE JESUS INSIDE HIS MOTHER (HE IS JESUS .... THE SON OF MARY) as the quran says.
[[[[[ the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, may before long, be eliminated from the world wide web]]]] lol the WWW will be destroyed naturally in the future I promise. so the WWW is protect the Gospel? since when??
5-27 Huss
[[More specifically put, if a virgin conceives a child, directly by the will of God, does that mean God is the father?
Who else?
As regards the only such known instance of this in the history of the mankind, the answer is a resounding YES, particularly since there are about 234 verses in the scriptures that declare God as Jesus' Father]]]]
as I said earlier
[[[[[[That's right. God created Adam from the dust of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
I am sure you agree it is an entirely different case regarding a virgin conceiving a child by the direct will of God]]]]]]
Adam is created also by the direct will of God. NOT BY CHANCE
[[[[What happened to your logic? You are trying to draw an equivalence to Adam by saying. "God created Adam from no mother nor father." even as you admit that Jesus had a mother]]]]
O_o the one who created Human from nothing could create human inside woman, inside a rock, inside Animal. creating Adam is much greater than Jesus. and if there is a son of God considering your logic, it must be Adam? if not where is Adam's father then Answer? and how about Mary? from where she came from?
[[[[But how does that view hold water, since Adam was formed from the dust of the ground, while the Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus Christ, was conceived by a virgin, by the direct intervention of Yahweh?]]]]
No matter how Adam and Jesus are created. they are all great people that God created both of them the way he wanted (WE DONT HAVE TH RIGHT TO SAY WHY GOD CREATED LIKE THIS OR THAT) IT IS GOD'S WILL.
[[[[That may be what Muhammad said, but Adam was formed from the dust of the ground. But it isn't hard to see where Muhammad's coaches got the idea.]]]]
I said Clay as I translated the Arabic word (Teen) طين . which means the (dust when it is wet) and I don't know the English word for this.
[[[[But even you must admit that Christ was conceived by the virgin Mary, by the direct intervention of God. So how can you then suggest that Adam is His father?]]]]
Adam is my father too. Adam and Eve are the first human in the earth. look at Mary. She is human Adam considered her father to or lets say grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand ....... father. Jesus is the son of Mary.
Adam is the father of the whole mankind.
5-27 Huss
who are u?
I havent ask u about your name...
my name is (name substitute "Huss" used in this thread to protect YouTube identity). u called your channel IslamExplored. so you are exploring.
let me give a little advice. I u wanna explore Islam u should Explore it in Arabic because it is an Arabic book. I know u wont because you are not really exploring. your job is how to make Islam the worst thing in earth and this will fail I promise.
I have talk to many ppl who made Islam in my eyes the worst thig ever. however this always give me the motivation to understand Islam more. do you know why there are ppl still converting to islam today in the west and I know personally 2 ladies here in Australia converted recently.
ask yourself WHY although Islam looks bad for most of the western countries?
the answer is because of you and all people who attacking Islam in all different ways, this gave them the motivation to understand and read about Islam and they understand the main message of Islam.
I said your task will fail because of this not because am challenging.
SO THANK YOU
5-27
[[[[[JESUS HAS NO FATHER ]]]]]
I would appreciate it if you visit this link to the ARABIC section of the forum and please give me an opinion of my attempt at helping Arabic speaking people understand.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2539.0
Sent with "Jesus' Father" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geGTBo2X3sY
5-28
[[[[who are u?
I havent ask u about your name...
my name is Hussain.]]]]
You can call me Pete as PeteWaldo is the name of my other channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/PeteWaldo?feature=mhw5
[[[[ u called your channel IslamExplored. so you are exploring.]]]]
Why don't you explore a little too? Beginning with the history of Mecca.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
Please present some resources that address the history of Mecca prior to the 4th century AD, as I have not been able to find any.
[[[[let me give a little advice. I u wanna explore Islam u should Explore it in Arabic because it is an Arabic book. I know u wont because you are not really exploring. your job is how to make Islam the worst thing in earth and this will fail I promise.]]]]
But Islam does that all by itself without any help from me. Beginning with Muhammad's own behavior.
[[[[I have talk to many ppl who made Islam in my eyes the worst thig ever. however this always give me the motivation to understand Islam more. do you know why there are ppl still converting to islam today in the west and I know personally 2 ladies here in Australia converted recently. ask yourself WHY although Islam looks bad for most of the western countries? ]]]]
That you realize Islam looks bad is quite an admission on your part.
To answer your question, often when folks suffer some emotional trauma, during which someone shows them some kindness, it's natural for them to try to cling on to what that person that helped them believes.
Folks follow the Dali Lama too. Does that make him the right path to the one true God Yahweh?
Folks followed Jim Jones right up until they all drank the poison kool-aide and died. Did their following him mean he was of God?
Squeaky From followed Charles Manson. Did that make him of God?
[[[[[the answer is because of you and all people who attacking Islam in all different ways, this gave them the motivation to understand and read about Islam and they understand the main message of Islam.]]]]]
But rather than waste time on what others choose to do, let's talk a little about why YOU reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ to follow Muhammad.
Could you fill me in a little as to what would happen to you, if you came to know the love of the one true God Yahweh, through the Messiah, Yeshua, and then went back to Saudi Arabia and shared the Good News, that Jesus died to save us from our sins, so that we didn't have to die with our sins and be separated from God forever.
What would happen if you proclaimed that to your father and family?
What would happen if you preached it to your friends and neighbors?
What would the public officials do if you stood on a corner and passed out tracts like at this link, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ while proclaiming that Good News?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
[[[[[I said your task will fail because of this not because am challenging.
SO THANK YOU]]]]
Thank you, my friend. I uploaded a video this morning in an effort to help you understand the subject of Jesus' crucifixion that was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
Sent with "Jesus' Crucifixion in Prophecy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCvDjR3S10
5-28 huss
[[[[[But Islam does that all by itself without any help from me. Beginning with Muhammad's own behavior.]]]]]
I know wht u talkin about and I had a lot of talk with many christians about Muhammad's own behavior. and there is ALWAYS response to every single issue. but u guys dont care about it coz it is against your opinion.
[[[[That you realize Islam looks bad is quite an admission on your part.
To answer your question, often when folks suffer some emotional trauma, during which someone shows them some kindness, it's natural for them to try to cling on to what that person that helped them believes.]]]]]
I said in the WEST, why? look at the media. when I hear about Islam here in Australia there must be a problem. they just know that muslims are angry ppl and just repeating what they see in the media. we call this washing brain. I take it easy if anyone say am terrorist coz I understand how washed brain they have.
[[[[[Folks follow the Dali Lama too. Does that make him the right path to the one true God Yahweh?
Folks followed Jim Jones right up until they all drank the poison kool-aide and died. Did their following him mean he was of God?
Squeaky From followed Charles Manson. Did that make him of God?]]]]
I don't know these guys first. second, Folks followed them it appeared to them that this is the truth. most of ppl especially in the west they converted to islam after EXPLORING other religions seeking 4 the truth. usually Islam is the last thing they look for. looking for the truth require a person who have a 100% free mind and look for more than one religion.
[[[[[[But rather than waste time on what others choose to do, let's talk a little about why YOU reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ to follow Muhammad.
Could you fill me in a little as to what would happen to you, if you came to know the love of the one true God Yahweh, through the Messiah, Yeshua, and then went back to Saudi Arabia and shared the Good News, that Jesus died to save us from our sins, so that we didn't have to die with our sins and be separated from God forever.]]]]]]
I know wht do u wanna reach here but this is impossible FOR ME u know why? in Islam we believe we believe in every single word, and if I converted to Christianity I have to believe in every single word in the bibe that this book is the word of God. the bible is the word of witnesses who wrote the book I dont know more than 60 years after Jesus perhaps. check this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIcVA_PZCFA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwAMj-rfHLc&feature=related
[[[[[What would happen if you proclaimed that to your father and family?]]]]]
They will be choked
they will take me to someone who understand Islam an Christianity to let me know why your book is corrupt or just showing me the video above.
[[[[[What would happen if you preached it to your friends and neighbors?]]]]
same thing
[[[[What would the public officials do if you stood on a corner and passed out tracts like at this link, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ while proclaiming that Good News?]]]]]]
before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth. I will utube in this chance to find why Christianity is wrong and it's massive here.
I know it's sounds bad TO YOU to die if someone left Islam. u wont understand this unless u understand the whole thing about what is Islam is all about.
dont forget to watch the videos
peace
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{{{{{[[[[[What would happen if you proclaimed that to your father and family?]]]]]
They will be choked
they will take me to someone who understand Islam an Christianity to let me know why your book is corrupt or just showing me the video above.
[[[[[What would happen if you preached it to your friends and neighbors?]]]]
same thing
[[[[What would the public officials do if you stood on a corner and passed out tracts like at this link, of the Gospel of Jesus Christ while proclaiming that Good News?]]]]]]
before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth.}}}}}}}
What kind of a spirit do you suppose works in men's hearts and minds, to inspire them to murder even their own son, for finding salvation in the love of the one true God, through the Holy Spirit of the Messiah, Jesus Christ?
It's the same spirit that gets men to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The spirit that turns men away from salvation and causes them to want to die in their sins.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father....
So who do you suppose is in charge of the spirit of antichrist? In charge of the EXACT OPPOSITE of the gospel of Jesus Christ?
sent with "antichrist"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w71CtxLdjio
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{{{{{{{[[[[[But Islam does that all by itself without any help from me. Beginning with Muhammad's own behavior.]]]]]
I know wht u talkin about and I had a lot of talk with many christians about Muhammad's own behavior. and there is ALWAYS response to every single issue. but u guys dont care about it coz it is against your opinion.}}}}}}
Well then before we begin with the record let's start with a little opinion.
How about your opinion?
Let's say you were a happily married wife of a farmer living in a nice quiet peaceful village. One day a guy came along and had your husband and father brought before him and beheaded. He also had all of the boys who had just reached puberty, and their dads, and their grandpas, in your whole village, brought before him and beheaded.
As that young farm wife, do you think that you would then DESIRE to have sex, with the very same man responsible for the beheading of your husband and father?
sent with "jihad"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9FYYo5EINU
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{{{{{{{{{{{[[[[[Folks follow the Dali Lama too. Does that make him the right path to the one true God Yahweh?}}}}}
Dalai lama is a Buddhist.
{{{{{{Folks followed Jim Jones right up until they all drank the poison kool-aide and died. Did their following him mean he was of God?}}}}}}
Suicide cult. Over 900 dead to cyanide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown
((((((((Squeaky From followed Charles Manson. Did that make him of God?]]]] }}}}}}
Squeaky Fromme was one of the teenage girls in the "Manson Family". A commune that broke into an actresses home, stabbed her multiple times, and even cut her unborn baby out of her stomach.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
My point is that just because someone is willing to follow and commit themselves to someone, does not mean that person is of God.
Just because someone is willing to "convert" to something has nothing to do with whether it is true or not.
Just as just simply because someone is willing to say something, does not mean that it will magically become true.
So let's set this kind of anecdotal irrelevance aside, and look at the evidence instead, to save some time.
{{{{{{{I don't know these guys first. second, Folks followed them it appeared to them that this is the truth. most of ppl especially in the west they converted to islam after EXPLORING other religions seeking 4 the truth.}}}}}}
Yet according to al-jazeera 3/4 of Islamic so-called converts in the west, leave Islam within the first 3 years, where folks have the FREEDOM to do so. Likely the other 1/4 is largely women that are stuck with kids by a Muslim husband.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44dO9lWO830
{{{{{{usually Islam is the last thing they look for. looking for the truth require a person who have a 100% free mind and look for more than one religion.}}}}}}}}}}}}}
But you have already admitted that your mind is closed, and you aren't looking for the truth at all. You are only looking for that which supports what you already desire to believe. For example you said
{{{{{{{[[[[[[before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth. I will utube in this chance to find why Christianity is wrong and it's massive here.]]]]]]]}}}}}}}
You are admitting that you are only looking for what is WRONG. Why wouldn't you also try to find out why Christianity is RIGHT? Like from some of your former Islamic brethren who have held BOTH Islam and the Gospel as their belief, with their whole heart?
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus
I believe deep-down you already know, don't seek out the truth, is that you know that the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ will destroy your faith in Muhammad. But my friend, our life on this earth is as a tiny zephyr in a global windstorm. Forever is a very long time. You could die today. My niece suddenly dropped dead at the age of 22 from a heart defect. Are you ready to stand before the very judge you deny?
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Do you fear your father more than OUR Father?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2539.0
I watched the videos by Ehrman. Do you understand why you seek shelter and comfort in the arms of a Godless agnostic? In the arms of someone that blasphemes the very book that Islam pretends to be related to?
What do you think the other guys on the stage were there for? Decoration? Do you understand why the YouTuber only included Ehrman's testimony, and left out the testimony of the opposing point of view of the Christians?
Do you see that even as you rail against brainwashing, you are brainwashing yourself?
Why not listen to a Christian on the same subject? Here's one by a former atheist, that was bugged by his wife's Christianity, so he set out to prove that the Bible was a lie.
Dating the Gospels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxiddSTtKpA
Earliest Accounts Of Christ's Resurrection - Lee Strobel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2oHPSstgRQ
Much more
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
Here's more testimony by atheists that set out to do the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rESOsk6j3Fc
Ehrman lists a bunch of university academics, that are all trying desperately to make the case that the Gospel is untrue. However those seeking to turn the truth into a lie don't even understand their limitations.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
By the way. Even this agnostic Ehrman readily admits that the overwhelming historical evidence confirms that Jesus Christ was crucified. Do you believe Ehrman when he admits to this?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2558.0
Why don't you try reading the Gospel in Arabic, or even downloading an audio copy to your MP3 player, or if you don't have one, listen to it online?
Why not begin by reading the book that is being discussed, before you get into the book reports of folks you don't even know, whose effort is to make it a lie?
By the time Muhammad said the following in the 7th century, the bible had been translated into perhaps a hundred languages, had been copied perhaps a hundred thousand times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries.
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
So was Muhammad just more ignorant that you when he instructed Christians to judge by what is revealed in the Gospel?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
Here is a text version of the Gospel. I recommend starting with the Gospel of John
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm
Here is the audio version
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
sent with "Jesus' crucifixion in prophecy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCvDjR3S10
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As a Muslim you know that you can find no shortage of folks on YouTube, that argue for Islam, and that argue against Islam.
You would likely also agree that simply because we wish to believe something will never make it magically come true. Otherwise the tooth-fairy would be true.
You might perhaps agree that the only way to get down to the truth of something controversial, is to investigate both sides. Perhaps even the radical bias from BOTH sides.
As a Christian I know that I will be judged according to every word in my videos and websites, and that as a sort of a teacher, I will even be judged by a higher standard than other Christians, there shouldn't be any doubt in your mind that I do everything in my power to seek out the truth. That's why I have always invited folks to correct me where they find I am in error.
For well over a year now, I have been begging Muslims to present some evidence to me that suggests that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, yet so far none has been presented. Indeed all the available evidence from both within the Islamic historical record, and outside of the Islamic historical record, confirm that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD.
Compare this with Jerusalem, for example, where there are even a million artifacts - just on display! Where there is a rich archaeological record, supported by the physical geography, that evermore indicates that the Old Testament is a reliable source of ancient historical record.
Now in order to follow Muhammad, you have to first believe that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD.
Can you tell me on what basis you hold this belief?
What evidence supports this your belief?
Could you please point out any errors you find in the attached video?
Could you please point out any errors you find in this website?
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
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wow thats too mush I mean 4 messages?
briefly.. I opened my mind for Christianity. and this is wht I got
you worship God (the son and the father at the same time) but u prefer the Son. The holy spirit is joined. u should add Mary (who is the mother of the son of the the father who is God, and the Son is considered God) She is the mother of God who is the Son. and how about Adam. If God have son then it must be Adam. Thats the first thing I got when I opened my mind to the Christianity. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SINCE! in order to study anything in depth u MUST to be convinced about the basics. some one set this up
Who made this mess after Jesus? Why Jesus distinct himself from God in the bible?
dear Pete
understanding islam required from the explorer to start from A and end in ..... there is no end. most of issues Christians present about Islam are in the middle which make it difficult to explain them. If non-muslim tried Issues about women for example. It is difficult to explain or clarify why it this is not a problem for Muslim women coz Islam is actually a system start from the basics (Who is Allah Who is Mohammed, why there is a God and so on & on & on).
by the way the hadeeth is something need to be studied by itself as there are incorrect hadethes. For example Sheaa is not a right source coz they are misguided muslims. WHY? that should be explored.
the argument never end and I have no problem to discuss things but I realized here 2 facts, First the thing that take 5 minutes in Arabic to response take 20 mins in English FOR ME, the other fact that this never end.
please learn Arabic then we can talk and the time will be saved for both of us. not because it is my first language but because in Arabic it's much easier to look for sources and easier to distinguish what is right and wht is wrong
have a good day
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I will try to make it simple.
What kind of a spirit would inspire a father to murder his own son, for finding the love of the one true God through Jesus Christ?
It's the same spirit that gets men to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The spirit that turns men away from salvation and causes them to want to die in their sins.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22 ... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father....
So where is the spirit of antichrist from since it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
sent with "antichrist"
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[[[[[before they decide to kill me they will give me a chance to read and investigate about the truth. I will utube in this chance to find why Christianity is wrong and it's massive here.
I know it's sounds bad TO YOU to die if someone left Islam. u wont understand this unless u understand the whole thing about what is Islam is all about.]]]]]
But I understand it very well. The spirit behind the hatred of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that would cause a father to kill his own son, is the same spirit that causes the hatred of Jews in Muhammad's people, and is the same spirit that would cause a man to see his wife as nothing more than a baby-making machine and unpaid slave to do his cooking and cleaning. Because Muhammad's followers have no love of truth, they cannot know the love of God until they repent, and thus they are left without love.
This is that spirit of antichrist and it comes straight out of the pit of hell, and because Muslims have no love of truth, God sends strong delusion to them so that they believe a lie.
1 John 2:22 .... He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father ....
sent with "strong delusion"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTfWrDwmqk
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[[[[[briefly.. I opened my mind for Christianity. and this is wht I got]]]]]
You didn't open your mind to Christianity or you would have read the Gospel rather than getting your understanding from proven antichrist liars like Ahmed Deedat.
Here is the Gospel in Arabic
اÙ,,انجيÙ,,
Ù,,Ù...زيد Ù...Ù† اÙ,,تعÙ...Ù, ÙÙŠ دراسة اÙ,,كتاب اÙ,,Ù...Ù,دس، اÙ,,رجاء زيارة Ù...ÙˆÙ,عنا اÙ,,جديد انجيÙ,, دوت كوÙ... اÙ,,ذي ÙŠØتوي عÙ,,Ù‰ بØØ« Ù...تÙ,دÙ... Ù,,Ù,,نص Ù...ع تشكيÙ,,ات وأيضا عÙ,,Ù‰ Ù,اÙ...وس وتÙسير آية آية ÙˆÙ...ختصرات ووعود اÙ,,كتاب اÙ,,Ù...Ù,دس.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm
إصدار اÙ,,صوت
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
[[[[[[you worship God (the son and the father at the same time) but u prefer the Son. The holy spirit is joined.]]]]]
God manifest, or revealed Himself, in the flesh of Jesus Christ.
Jesus and God are one.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
In the flesh of Jesus Christ wasn't the first time God revealed Himself in the flesh of a man. He also manifest, or revealed Himself as a man, to Abraham, and He washed his feet, and ate and drank as we learn in Genesis 18.
sent with "God manifest as a man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cjXj6TMOAM
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[[[[u should add Mary (who is the mother of the son of the the father who is God, and the Son is considered God) She is the mother of God who is the Son.]]]]]
All of the Mary worship is Roman Catholic Church false doctrine that was created from thin air, just like Islamic "tradition".
Indeed it was from Roman "church" false doctrine that Muhammad got his take-off on Mary veneration from people like Jabr, and his wife Khadijah's cousin the Ebionite occult priest Waraqa bin Naufal.
If you had read the Gospel you know that there is no basis for any of the Mary worship in the Roman Church or veneration of Mary in Islam. Why don't you read the Gospel now?
اÙ,,انجيÙ,,
Ù,,Ù...زيد Ù...Ù† اÙ,,تعÙ...Ù, ÙÙŠ دراسة اÙ,,كتاب اÙ,,Ù...Ù,دس، اÙ,,رجاء زيارة Ù...ÙˆÙ,عنا اÙ,,جديد انجيÙ,, دوت كوÙ... اÙ,,ذي ÙŠØتوي عÙ,,Ù‰ بØØ« Ù...تÙ,دÙ... Ù,,Ù,,نص Ù...ع تشكيÙ,,ات وأيضا عÙ,,Ù‰ Ù,اÙ...وس وتÙسير آية آية ÙˆÙ...ختصرات ووعود اÙ,,كتاب اÙ,,Ù...Ù,دس.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm
إصدار اÙ,,صوت
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
Sent with "Quran inspiration"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEYbJxylA2s
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[[[[and how about Adam. If God have son then it must be Adam. Thats the first thing I got when I opened my mind to the Christianity. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SINCE! in order to study anything in depth u MUST to be convinced about the basics. some one set this up]]]]]
Yet you tried to pretend that there is no difference, between Yahweh having created the first man from dust, and then thousands of years later causing a virgin to conceive the Messiah.
Talk about NOT making sense!
Yeshua's very name means "Yahweh saves" "delivers" or "rescues". This is because the Messiah was sent to save us from sin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua_%28name%29#Etymology
[[[[.....the argument never end.....]]]]]
I can end Muhammad's false religion for you through one simple concept.
MECCA NEVER EXISTED before the 4th century AD. That is a provable fact.
This also proves that ALL of Islamic so-called "tradition", that pretends to be thousands of years of pre-muhammad "history", is nothing more than 7th and 8th century CREATED FICTION.
If you do not believe this then PROVE IT TO ME with EVIDENCE.
PROVE it to YOURSELF.
FIND some scriptural, historical, archaeological or geographical EVIDENCE of a history of Mecca from before the 4th century AD.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
Sent with "Quran and Abrogation"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsPA_FZCjws
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IN ARABIC
[[[[[briefly.. I opened my mind for Christianity. and this is wht I got]]]]]
You didn't open your mind to Christianity or you would have read the Gospel rather than getting your understanding from proven antichrist liars like Ahmed Deedat.
Here is the Gospel in Arabic
اÙ,,انجيÙ,,
Ù,,Ù...زيد Ù...Ù† اÙ,,تعÙ...Ù, ÙÙŠ دراسة اÙ,,كتاب اÙ,,Ù...Ù,دس، اÙ,,رجاء زيارة Ù...ÙˆÙ,عنا اÙ,,جديد انجيÙ,, دوت كوÙ... اÙ,,ذي ÙŠØتوي عÙ,,Ù‰ بØØ« Ù...تÙ,دÙ... Ù,,Ù,,نص Ù...ع تشكيÙ,,ات وأيضا عÙ,,Ù‰ Ù,اÙ...وس وتÙسير آية آية ÙˆÙ...ختصرات ووعود اÙ,,كتاب اÙ,,Ù...Ù,دس.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm
إصدار اÙ,,صوت
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
[[[[[[you worship God (the son and the father at the same time) but u prefer the Son. The holy spirit is joined.]]]]]
God manifest, or revealed Himself, in the flesh of Jesus Christ.
Jesus and God are one.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
30 انا واÙ,,آب واØد
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt/joh/10.htm
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
18 ÙتÙ,دÙ... يسوع وكÙ,,Ù...Ù‡Ù... Ù,ائÙ,,ا .دÙع اÙ,,ÙŠÙ' ÙƒÙ,, سÙ,,طان ÙÙŠ اÙ,,سÙ...اء وعÙ,,Ù‰ اÙ,,ارض .
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt/mat/28.htm
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
7 هوذا يأتي Ù...ع اÙ,,سØاب وستنظره ÙƒÙ,, عين واÙ,,ذين طعنوه ÙˆÙŠÙ†ÙˆØ Ø¹Ù,,يه جÙ...يع Ù,بائÙ,, اÙ,,ارض.نعÙ... Ø¢Ù...ين.
8 انا هو اÙ,,اÙ,,٠واÙ,,ياء اÙ,,بداية واÙ,,نهاية ÙŠÙ,ÙˆÙ,, اÙ,,رب اÙ,,كائن واÙ,,ذي كان واÙ,,ذي يأتي اÙ,,Ù,ادر عÙ,,Ù‰ ÙƒÙ,, شيء
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt/rev/1.html
Through the flesh of Jesus Christ wasn't the first time God revealed Himself as a man.
He also manifest, or revealed Himself as a man, to Abraham, and He even washed his feet, and ate and drank as we learn in Genesis 18.
Here it is in Arabic
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2533.0
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/ot/gen/18.htm
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[[[[[[ The holy spirit is joined.]]]]]
Are you denying that God has a Spirit?
Sura 15.29: "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and BREATHED INTO HIM SOMETHING OF HIS SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Sura 38:72 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and BREATHED INTO HIM OF MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Sura 38:72 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of MY SPIRIT, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Hussain, what you are really saying is that you want to pretend that it is confusing to you that the God of the Jews and Christians Yahweh has a Spirit.
Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,
Yet at the same time it is not confusing to you to understand that Muhammad's "Allah" has a spirit.
Do you see your hypocrisy?
sent with "muslim hypocrisy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O31ud9yQjh4
5-30 Huss
before the conclusion thank you 4 all your messages. I haven't read the last 8 messages ca I am too busy these days having final exams. but I will read them later I promise and I will get back to you if it's necessary.
My conclusion to your Christianity.... a bit long sorry 4 that
The bible is Corrupt and here is why? in personal view if there is any human involved in editing A SINGLE word in a book which suppose to be a word of God, we (Muslims) call this corruption even it is one word. So all what I need to look for in your bible is something edited by some one NOT Jesus and here is the example
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Fathe"
3 things here I have to mention:
Firstly: There is a clear distinction between God and Jesus
Secondly: Other bible the (AUTHOR/S) of the book decide to remove (nor the Son) because of this distinction. WHO GAVE HIM/HER THE RIGHT TO DO THIS? JESUS???
thats make it clear that if this WRITER have the ability to make this little change, then he can make other changes in other verses CAN'T HE?!
Thirdly: There is a strange thing . I think it suppose to be written like this if this is the word of Jesus.
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, NOR ME, but only the Fathe"
WHO WAS WRITING ABOUT JESUS? WAS HE JESUS?
don't tell me look at king James copy coz it's the same thing. What make it the correct copy? and would all Christians follow the king James? Personally if I would read the bible for any reason I prefer the Arabic bible as it has the REAL name of Yashoa. BUT STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE AS ABOVE!!
It is clear in this verse that this is a word of someone writing about Jesus and God from his own prospective. and someone els or maybe the same person came and edit it to make it sounds better to him. how come Jesus don't know what the father know? "he said"
In the Quran if a single word changed, that make a whole book corrupt AND EASY TO DETECT!!! in Arabic of course. apparently some ONE is trying to play a game with Muslims by creating a Quran called (true furqan) and sell it in Amazon.com. thats pathetic.
last thing copy these two words to google translate from Greek to English
ΙησοÏÏ, .... Ιησο
and listen how the second one particularly pronounced. is it sounds like the English word or the Arabic word in the Quran?
peace
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[[[[[[before the conclusion thank you 4 all your messages. I haven't read the last 8 messages ca I am too busy these days having final exams. but I will read them later I promise and I will get back to you if it's necessary.]]]]]]
I'll protect your YouTube identity and move our chat into the forum. That way all the links that we put in our PMs will work. Also it is a much better place to conduct a chat as we can quote each other and use the search function and more.
It will be easy to review our chat at a glance, and we can begin by reviewing all the points we missed so far. I will add more replies after I post it.
Maybe the effort will even help your English language along!
Our conversation is at this link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2563.0
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[[[[[My conclusion to your Christianity.... a bit long sorry 4 that
The bible is Corrupt and here is why? in personal view if there is any human involved in editing A SINGLE word ........]]]]]
I see. So then Muhammad was God.
Come on my friend, even Muhammad knew what a mess he made of his "revelations", as he had to institute a doctrine of abrogation later on, to explain how his earlier suras are thrown out when later suras were the opposite and direct contradictions.
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
Sadly, the ONLY reason you believe that Muhammad spoke for the Quraish pagan's "Allah", is because Muhammad SAID he did. Not a single WITNESS ever heard Allah or Gabriel's voice. Even Muhammad thought it was a demon that met him in that cave.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw
In fact so often did Muhammad get a "revelation" right after speaking with his good friend and X-Christian Jabr, that the locals started calling Jabr the "Holy Spirit".
Indeed Jabr was so widely recognized as a source of Muhammad's "revelations" that Muhammad even made a transparent, feeble and failed attempt at damage control, with yet another "revelation".
Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0
Muhammad wrote that sura about Jabr, but there were many sources of his "inspiration" along with Jabr, Tubba and Waraqa.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2475.0
The simple fact is, that the reason you reject ALL of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, is because A SINGLE 7TH CENTURY SW Arabian desert dwelling false prophet, proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
No surprise then that his behavior WAS the EXACT OPPOSITE of the sinless Messiah, Jesus Christ.
[[[[[....... in a book which suppose to be a word of God, we (Muslims) call this corruption ......]]]]]]
But what it in fact are WITNESSES.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0
[[[[[....... even it is one word.]]]]]]
If the Gospel is corrupt then why did Muhammad recommend that I judge by it?
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
[[[[[ So all what I need to look for in your bible is something edited by some one NOT Jesus and here is the example
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Fathe"
3 things here I have to mention:
Firstly: There is a clear distinction between God and Jesus
Secondly: Other bible the (AUTHOR/S) of the book decide to remove (nor the Son) because of this distinction. WHO GAVE HIM/HER THE RIGHT TO DO THIS? JESUS???
thats make it clear that if this WRITER have the ability to make this little change, then he can make other changes in other verses CAN'T HE?!]]]]]
I believe that some modern English versions are somewhat compromised as well. But why would you hold the actions of modern men and their translating into English, against Yahweh?
The scriptures were written in Hebrew and Koine Greek, so your problem is with TRANSLATIONS.
But there is no point in being distracted about a detail in a single text, while to follow Muhammad you must believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, because an illiterate 7th century false prophet, who himself believed he met a demon in a cave, proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE.
If you have a question about a verse in an ENGLISH TRANSLATION of scripture you can investigate with Hebrew and Koine Greek interlinears.
This is the same issue that you raise about me needing to learn Arabic - one of the youngest languages on the planet - in order to understand the Quran.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2561.0
But the truth is, that learning Arabic is irrelevant, because the Quran is in such a mess that much of it defies translation because it can't even be understood in Arabic. The version you have in your hands WAS EDITED.
Here is what the guy that the YEMENI GOVERNMENT hired to study the oldest Quran manuscript had to say about it.
Gerd Puin, one of the world's leading specialists in Arabic calligraphy and Qur'anic paleography, studying the oldest manuscripts, speaks with disdain about the willingness of Muslims and non-Muslims alike, to accept Islamic dogma. He says: "The Qur'an claims for itself that it is "mubeen," or clear, but if you just look at it, you will see that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'an is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_R._Puin
See what a mess the Quran is in? Just because the people that have indoctrinated you are willing to say something, doesn't mean it will magically come true, AGAINST THE FACTS.
sent with "Quran's inspiration"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEYbJxylA2s
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[[[[[Thirdly: There is a strange thing . I think it suppose to be written like this if this is the word of Jesus.
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, NOR ME, but only the Fathe"
WHO WAS WRITING ABOUT JESUS? WAS HE JESUS?
don't tell me look at king James copy coz it's the same thing. What make it the correct copy? and would all Christians follow the king James?]]]]]
It's the best ENGLISH TRANSLATION we have. If you have a question about a verse, verify it with Hebrew and Koine Greek interlinears.
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
[[[[[ Personally if I would read the bible for any reason I prefer the Arabic bible as it has the REAL name of Yashoa.]]]]]]
I have been begging you to read the Gospel in Arabic.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt.htm
You don't even have to read it. You can LISTEN to it in Arabic.
http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/nt_audio.htm
But the Arabic versions I am familiar with substitute the name of the Quraish pagan's god "Allah" for the name of the one true God Yahweh, as it occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture, and in paleo-Hebrew engravings that have been found that date to nearly 1,000 years BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton
[[[[[ BUT STILL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE AS ABOVE!!]]]]]]
In fact, your issue is that you must reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, to follow 7th century Muhammad, because he declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Yeshua. Either the 1600 year record of Yahweh through ALL of His prophets and witnesses is of Satan, or Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record must be, since they are OPPOSITES.
Satan inspired Muhammad, so that his poor followers would deny the very blood of the Lamb of God that would save them, and instead die in their sins so they could join Satan and his prophet Muhammad in perdition.
ONE MUST CHOOSE.
Yahweh as revealed through Yeshua and all of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record, or the EXACT OPPOSITE in Muhammad and his STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record.
[[[[[It is clear in this verse that this is a word of someone writing about Jesus and God from his own prospective.]]]]]
That's what WITNESSES do. That's why it's interesting to get several different men's perspectives that confirm each other. That's also how we know it wasn't simply a bunch of guys comparing notes and copying each other. Yet THEY ALL TELL THE SAME STORY. The Lamb of God sacrificed Himself, to save all who have faith in His shed blood, from dying in our sins and joining Satan.
sent with "Jesus' Crucifixion in Prophecy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGCvDjR3S10
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[[[[[ and someone els or maybe the same person came and edit it to make it sounds better to him. how come Jesus don't know what the father know? "he said"]]]]]
No matter how you slice it, THE WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel remains unchanged, no matter how hard you try to run and hide from it.
That's why Yahweh's people have followed Him through two covenants, for 3500 years, according to ALL of the prophets and witnesses of His 1600 year record.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
[[[[[In the Quran if a single word changed, that make a whole book corrupt AND EASY TO DETECT!!!]]]]]
Then you condemned your own book because the FACT IS that the Quran you have in your hand HAS BEEN EDITED and WORDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
If it was a copy of the OLDEST MANUSCRIPT you wouldn't even be able to make sense out of at least 1/5 of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerd_R._Puin
Let alone that Muhammad left the thing in such a mess that 71 out of only 114 Suras are subject to abrogation.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
[[[[ in Arabic of course. apparently some ONE is trying to play a game with Muslims by creating a Quran called (true furqan) and sell it in Amazon.com. thats pathetic.]]]]]
They are probably trying to sell Muhammad as peaceful and honest, rather than a murdering, prisoner abusing, treaty breaking, thief, as the Quran that you hold in your hands indicates he is.
[[[[last thing copy these two words to google translate from Greek to English
ΙησοÏÏ, .... Ιησο
and listen how the second one particularly pronounced. is it sounds like the English word or the Arabic word in the Quran?]]]]]
The FACT IS that Arabic is one of the youngest languages on the planet. Indeed there is virtually no historical record of the Arabic language, anywhere on earth, prior to about 300 AD.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2561.0
Why not invite some of your Australian Christian friends to the forum and let them help you with the English in our forum thread?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2563.0
[[[[[peace]]]]]
And peace be unto you my friend and may Jesus show you THE WAY.
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me.
sent with "Hajj and Umrah Al-Safa & Al-Marwah"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfWy5KaFvbU
Does God have a Spirit?
In ARABIC
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2575.0
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I found a great movie on the Gospel of John, that is spoken and subtitled in English, so it may help you with your written English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4T5uU9olko
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[[[[The bible is Corrupt and here is why? in personal view if there is any human involved in editing A SINGLE word in a book which suppose to be a word of God, we (Muslims) call this corruption even it is one word.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxiddSTtKpA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2oHPSstgRQ
In the Quran if a single word changed, that make a whole book corrupt AND EASY TO DETECT!!! in Arabic of course.]]]]
I made and uploaded this video yesterday, with you in mind, my friend.
Sent with "bible corrupted" video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJ1hk4lH3U
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In summary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAEYmzFGDvE