10-21
On 10-21 np sent a long windy paper written by a Jew that doesn't yet recognize that Jesus is His Messiah and declared "...you are following that what is written below...". This was accompanied by np's expose on jinn devils that he offered so I could "HAVE THE RIGHT INFO ABOUT THE MATTER" regarding 6th - 9th century Arabian Jinn devil superstitions. I put that subject in the Quran & Hadith section.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2825.0
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
Rather than reading the Gospel to learn about what Christians actually believe, Muslims are always instead trying to assign to Christians what we believe, because they are terrified of learning the truth of the Gospel, because Muhammad's Gnosticism professes the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2749.0
Whether it's citing historical UNChristian Roman church atrocities, or something copy and pasted from cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses or, as in the case at the link that follows, the ramblings of a lone Jewish evolutionist that remains blind to the Gospel.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2826.0
I must admit that I didn't read it (any more than np likely did) so I skipped to the bottom to see what he railed against, and skimmed it enough, to be able to pen a post that might help inspire him to read the Gospel and learn what it's all about:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0
Or even watch it
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2605.0
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[[[[PeteWaldo you are following that what is written below (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2826.0) PeteWaldo you are following that what is written below and that is 50% Satanic lies mixed with 50% historical facts and of the end it becomes 100% SATANIC LIE !
That is what the Zionism is all about! SATANIC WORSHIPERS! KILLERS!
THE REAL JESUS CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS! READ IT AND SEE YOUR REAL SATANIC FACE !]]]]]
My friend, after these years you know that what I follow is Scripture, as one of the "people of the Gospel". Why don't you try reading it some time?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
As much as Muslims are always trying to assign to Christians what Christians believe - even though Muslims are in abject ignorance to the Gospel - np, even you should know that I wouldn't follow the idle words of a Jewish fellow named Johnathan (http://www.jonathan5742.com/Science.htm), that is blind to the Gospel, and believes the temple should be rebuilt toward a restoration of the old covenant.
Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/temple_of_god.htm
Though he is correct about the seed of Ishmael (and Esau who was also cut out of God's covenant with His people), who was cut out of the covenant Yahweh has with His people, as we explored in prior PMs (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2789.0), which I referenced in my recent video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNr-e2phhs). He is also correct about the murderous and hateful heart of Ishmael's seed just as was prophesied.
Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
[[[[........ and that is 50% Satanic lies mixed with 50% historical facts and of the end it becomes 100% SATANIC LIE !]]]]
Let's see:
"G-d commands all Jews to love The United States for The Righteous Gentiles and commands all Righteous Gentiles to love Israel for The Jews."
John 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Why do you suppose it is, that there is nothing that Muhammad's followers seem to hate more, than love?
1Jo 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jo 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
[[[[That is what the Zionism is all about! SATANIC WORSHIPERS! KILLERS!
THE REAL JESUS CHRIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS! READ IT AND SEE YOUR REAL SATANIC FACE !]]]]
Perhaps this is what you take issue with:
"The World in the fight against terrorism and fight the Muslim terrorists together."
There can be no question that for mankind to survive, the world will need to rid itself, of the scourge of Muhammadanism. That is those that follow one of the most consummate - and self-admitted - terrorists in world history.
Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
Unfortunately, since Johnathan is blind to the Gospel, he can't see the weapon that God gave us to fight the enemies of Yahweh, any more than the U.S. government can.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Indeed, even beside the Gospel, Muhammad's invention is such a preposterous provable lie, all we would have to do is drop leaflets among his followers that ask Muslims to investigate the historical and archaeological absence of Mecca before the 4th century AD, and any Muhammadans with even a shred of ability to reason left in them (admittedly precious few), would flee Muhammad's 7th century satanic cult like scalded dogs.
The rest could be won through having changed their hearts, by being born again, through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
sent with Ishmael's Children / Seed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_-SoeY-_ww
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
10-22
Though he is correct about the seed of Ishmael (and Esau who was also cut out of God's covenant with His people), who was cut out of the covenant Yahweh has with His people,( WOW, ESAU/EDOM WAS CUT OUT OF GOD'S COVENANT ? HMMMMMMM DO YOU THINK GOD WAS INVOLVED IN THE TRICKY GAME WHICH JACOB/ISRAEL AND HIS MOTHER DID TO LIE TO ISAAC? as we explored in prior PMs, which I referenced in my recent video. He is also correct about the murderous and hateful heart of Ishmael's seed just as was prophesied.
ALSO I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW CAN SATAN TO BE IN THE MEETING WITH THE ANGELS AND GOD WASN'T HE OUTCAST BY GOD ? LET WE SEE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT IT:
The Bible the book of Job:1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God ( WHO THEY ARE ? ARE THEY ANGELS CALLED LIKE THAT) ? came to present themselves before the LORD,(WHO IS THIS LORD IS THAT YHWH?)and Satan came also among them.(WOW! WASN'T SATAN OUTCAST BY GOD/YHWH)?1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?(ANOTHER WOW! DOESN'T GOD/YHWH KNOW WHERE SATAN IS COMING FROM? HOW CAN SATAN TO BE IN THE MEETING WITH THE ANGELS AND GOD/YHWH? IS THERE ANY CONTRACT BETWEEN GOD/YHWH AND SATAN ARE THEY MEETING SOMETIMES IN A WHILE UNTILL NOW 2011)? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and from in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
10-23
[[[[Though he is correct about the seed of Ishmael (and Esau who was also cut out of God's covenant with His people), who was cut out of the covenant Yahweh has with His people,( WOW, ESAU/EDOM WAS CUT OUT OF GOD'S COVENANT ? HMMMMMMM]]]]
Esau gave away his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of red pottage. Thus his name because "Edom" which means red.
Here are the scriptures.
Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red [pottage]; for I [am] faint: therefore was his name called Edom. {with...: Heb. with that red, with that red pottage} {Edom: that is Red} 31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. 32 And Esau said, Behold, I [am] at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? {at...: Heb. going to die} 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright.
[[[[[DO YOU THINK GOD WAS INVOLVED IN THE TRICKY GAME WHICH JACOB/ISRAEL AND HIS MOTHER DID TO LIE TO ISAAC?]]]]
Nobody lied. Sarah caught Ishmael mocking Isaac and told Abraham to kick her slave Hagar and and her son Ishmael out of the house. I cover this subject in the attached video as well as the "Ishmael's seed video".
Gen 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, [even] with Isaac.
Gen 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave [it] unto Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
Sorry, that's just the way it is. And thus the seed of Ishmael are murderous and hateful unto this day, raising their hand against every man, just as was prophesied. Sunnis even murdering Shiites, Ahmadiyya and other Muslims, as well as non-muslims.
Muhammad's followers in Indonesia shout "Allah Akbar" & beat Ahmadiyya to death
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2385.0
Check our Muslim on Muslim Murder, Mayhem, and Misery section.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=54.0
Yet you still believe the PROVABLY fictional poppycock that masquerades as history, that a bunch of 7th and 8th century semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers like Ibn Ishak created from thin air, without reference to any actual historical record from before the 5th century AD, much less from Scripture.
A fictional account of Mecca that Arabian historical and archaeological records suggest never even existed before the 4th century AD.
Indeed modern Muslims must blind themselves to scripture, history, archaeology and geography to such an extent, that their lack of knowledge in this area becomes equivalent to that of the 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterates that followed Muhammad.
Yet even though you know this is true, you still continue to reject the sinless Messiah and the blood He shed to save you, to follow Satan's mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, child doing, terrorist, thief, down his path to your own destruction.
Sent with ISHMAEL, HAGAR, PARAN & MECCA (+pics)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
10-23
[[[[ALSO I WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW CAN SATAN TO BE IN THE MEETING WITH THE ANGELS AND GOD WASN'T HE OUTCAST BY GOD ? LET WE SEE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT IT:
The Bible the book of Job:1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God ( WHO THEY ARE ?]]]]
"They" are those of us that have followed ALL of the prophets and witnesses of Yahweh, through His 1600 year record, that His people have followed through 2 covenants for 3500 years.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
[[[[[ARE THEY ANGELS CALLED LIKE THAT) ? came to present themselves before the LORD,(WHO IS THIS LORD IS THAT YHWH?)and Satan came also among them.(WOW! WASN'T SATAN OUTCAST BY GOD/YHWH)? 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?(ANOTHER WOW! DOESN'T GOD/YHWH KNOW WHERE SATAN IS COMING FROM? HOW CAN SATAN TO BE IN THE MEETING WITH THE ANGELS AND GOD/YHWH?]]]]]
The Greek term "aggelos" can simply mean messenger.
angels
New Testament Greek Definition:
32 aggelos {ang'-el-os}
from aggello [probably derived from 71, cf 34] (to bring tidings);
TDNT - 1:74,12; n m
AV - angel 179, messenger 7; 186
1) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger
from God
For example:
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan's angels are unclean spirits and demons, like those that guide people to prostrate themselves to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca 5 times a day, in the spirit of antichrist.
[[[[ IS THERE ANY CONTRACT BETWEEN GOD/YHWH AND SATAN ARE THEY MEETING SOMETIMES IN A WHILE UNTILL NOW 2011)? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and from in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.]]]]
The kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. That's why Ishmael's children of the flesh lust after conquest and control of all the kingdoms of this world.
We sons of God, are in the kingdom of God, and are specifically called out of the kingdoms of this world.
Indeed the term "church" was a much later invention from a German rooted word, which is actually a reference to a building.
The actual term for a gathering of the body of Christ is "ecclesia" which means an assembly of the "called out". Those of us that have been called out of the world, and into the kingdom of God. It doesn't matter whether we meet in a building or under a shade tree.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
sent with THE False Prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ
10-23
[[[[[[[[[ARE THEY ANGELS CALLED LIKE THAT) ? came to present themselves before the LORD,(WHO IS THIS LORD IS THAT YHWH?)]]]]
Yes. His name means "I AM", or the existant one, in Hebrew.
That is an old covenant passage penned prior to when Yeshua was revealed to us and heralded the new covenant. In Hebrew, the name of the Messiah, Yeshua, means "Yahweh saves", rescues, or delivers.
Specifically saves, rescues and delivers us from sin as it is revealed in the Gospel...
Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Unfortunately, after the temple was torn down in 70 AD some Rabbis decided that the NAME of the one true God of the scriptures YHWH, was too sacred to say or write.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton#In_later_Judaism
....so they substituted many of the 6,518 times God's NAME - YHWH - is used in scripture....
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11305-names-of-god#anchor2
.....to descriptive TITLES (NOT NAMES) like "Lord", Adonai, Elohim etc.
I believe those men committed a most egregious error, because if Muhammad's followers had been constantly confronted with the NAME of the one true God of the Scriptures YAHWEH, as directly opposed to the NAME of the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah", Satan wouldn't have had such an easy time of fooling the followers of Muhammad.
sent with YHWH / Yahweh NOT "Allah"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjFssul-1fk
np posts 10-23
IS THAT YOUR ANSWER?
"They" are those of us that have followed ALL of the prophets" DID YOU WERE THERE ON THIS MEETING? PETEWALDO YOU CAN NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION LIKE THAT IT IS SO RIDICULOUS. You are well paid politician but not the Christian Scholar.
The kingdoms of this world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall. That's why Ishmael's children of the flesh lust. IS ISHMAEL/ISMAIL SON OF SATAN ? WOW!
Indeed the term "church" was a much later invention from a German IF THE WORD CHURCH IS FROM GERMAN ROOTED WORD THEN WHAT IS ( KILISE ) ?
My question was how the outcast Satan to be there in that meeting? THERE IS NOT ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION!
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Yes. His name means "I AM", or the existant one, in Hebrew.
WHAT ??????? YHWH IN HEBREW MEANS WHAT ??????? WOW ! GO ASK THE RABBIS NEAR YOUR HOUSE! I THINK A LONG AGO I EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT THIS TETRAGRAMMATON MEANS!
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Do Arabs the Ishmael's descendants have Hebrew Blood ?
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Paran in the Bible is Mecca today
Paul in the book of Galatians and the most recent Archeological Discoveries
suggest that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia and NOT in Egypt's Sinai desert.
Christian Archeologists prove from the Bible that Mount Sinai is in "Saudi Arabia" today.
Muhammad in the Bible, (Isaiah 60), Pilgrimage to Mecca..!
There is only one ISLAM and that is SUNNI ISLAM other ISLAM doesn't exist!
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Mecca, Bacca and Paran:
Let me paste for you the following Verses from the Bible and the Noble Quran:
"Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them. Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (From the NIV Bible, Psalms 84:5-6)"
"The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: In it are signs manifest; (for example) the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith Allah stands not in need of any of his creatures. (The Noble Quran, 3:96-97)"
"And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is. Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink. And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:17-21)"
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Paul in the book of Galatians and the most recent Archeological Discoveries suggest that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia and NOT in Egypt's Sinai desert:
Recent archeological discoveries along with Paul's own words in Galatians 4:25 clearly suggest that Mount Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia. This means that Paran being south of Mount Sinai clearly means that it is the Holy City of Mecca as it is showed above:
The Bible clearly says that Paran is south of Sinai in Egypt; "He said: 'The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)"
This verse is elaborated on further above. Now, let us first look at Galatians 4:25, then the archeological evidence:
"Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. (From the NIV Bible, Galatians 4:25)"
Pete reply 10-24
[[[[Paran in the Bible is Mecca today
Paul in the book of Galatians and the most recent Archeological Discoveries
suggest that Mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia and NOT in Egypt's Sinai desert.
Christian Archeologists prove from the Bible that Mount Sinai is in "Saudi Arabia" today.]]]]
See what I meant about Muslims having to remain ignorant to geography in order to follow Muhammad?
If you had watched the movie, or clicked on the link just below it for the text version, you could have saved yourself this embarrassment.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hagar_ishmael.htm
The alternate location of Mount Sinai that some consider in Arabia, is Jabal al Lawz in the extreme NW corner of Saudi Arabia next to the Gulf of Aqaba. This new presumed location is still 1,000 KILOMETERS AWAY FROM MECCA!!!!!!!!!
And the Wilderness of Paran IS NORTH of Mt. Sinai according to scripture.
Even worse, Ishmael lived almost a thousand years, before history records the first caravan was ever able to travel along the Red Sea between NW Arabia and Mecca. Loose - loose.
Watch the video again.
sent with ISHMAEL, HAGAR, PARAN & MECCA (+pics)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
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10-24
[[[[[Muhammad in the Bible, (Isaiah 60), Pilgrimage to Mecca..!]]]]
See what I meant about Muslims having to remain ignorant to scripture in order to follow Muhammad?
The passage Muhammad's followers quote regarding that pilgrimage is Psalms 84. Let's look at it.
Psalms 84:6 [Who] passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. 7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
http://www.petewaldo.com/baca_mecca.htm
Can you read? IN ZION IN ZION IN ZION!!!! IN ZION. Zion is the name of the easternmost hill in Jerusalem, and is synonymous with the name Jerusalem, and cited over 153 times in scripture. THE HOLY LAND of the prophets and patriarchs. If you had simply looked up the passage you would have seen how foolish that Ahmed Deedat lie is.
But even without knowing that Scripture positively pins the location of that pilgrimage, do you really think that Yahweh's people would have ignored the pilgrimage to the temple that Yahweh had them build in Jerusalem, to instead wander 1,200 kilometers across what was at that time harsh, barren, unexplored, untraveled desert with no water wells, only to arrive in the pagan polytheists town of Mecca and march around the pagan's unsymmetrical rock pile you call the kaaba, over 1500 years before it was ever built? Over 1500 years before the historical record suggests that Mecca was ever established?
[[[[[[There is only one ISLAM and that is SUNNI ISLAM other ISLAM doesn't exist!]]]]]
That's why Sunnis want to continue to slaughter and wipe out the Shiites. They certainly can't win the battle with reason or words. Since Islamic beliefs are a pure lie of Satan, everything about it is a lie, and particularly the lies of Ibn Ishak and other semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers, that created thousands of years of fictional pre-muhammad history in the 7th century AD, without reference to any actual historical record from before the 5th century AD. In other words Sunnis can't prove their lies against the Shiites lies. Yet you continue to serve the father of lies.
sent with BACA IS MECCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8
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10-24
Now could you please explain to me how Sarah's bondservant Hagar with Ishmael, wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh barren desert, from Abraham, Sarah and Isaac's home in Hebron (where Muslims visit his tomb today) to Mecca, a thousand years before the first caravan route was established along the Red Sea?
Abraham's tomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs
sent with Black Stone Veneration at the Kaaba in Mecca
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyWs__Y-rU
np 10-25
Wow are you talking about historical records made by secular scientists?
Mecca ever established? Hmmmmmm are you claiming that Mecca / Bacca or Paran are not the same and the descendants of Ishmael from all of his 12 sons were not living there? And Kaaba was not build by Abraham and Ishmael? Do you know the ear when Arabs start to be Pagans and left the Pure Monotheism( Abrahamic Islamic belief ) which was the religion of their grand father Abraham and their father Ishmael do you think Ishmael was Pagan ? Where Arabs lived in Jerusalem? Do you have the exact day and date and the year as well , when Jerusalem was established? If yes please make a video and show to the world!
"Now could you please explain to me how Sarah's bondservant Hagar with Ishmael, wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh barren desert, from Abraham's and Sarah's home in Hebron (where Muslims visit his tomb today) to Mecca, a thousand years before the first caravan route was established along the Red Sea? " YOUR CORRUPTED BIBLE IS NOT CLEAR ABOUT THAT EITHER! ALLAH KNOWS BEST! BUT HOW THAT HAPPENED IT IS NOT SO IMPORTANT AT ALL. YOU STILL CAN NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION HOW CAN SATAN BE IN THE MEETING WITH GOD AND THE ANGELS !
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Christian Archeologists prove from the Bible that Mount Sinai is in "Saudi Arabia" today.]]]] NOT MUSLIMS !
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Even worse, Ishmael lived almost a thousand years, before history records the first caravan was ever able to travel along the Red Sea between NW Arabia and Mecca. Loose - loose. WHERE HE LIVED IN MEXICO ?
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Can you read? IN ZION IN ZION IN ZION!!!! IN ZION.
ZION ZION ZION AND THAT 'S WHY YOU ARE ZIONIST A ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA .....................................................................
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Is Mount SINAI in the SINAI?
For centuries Bible scholars and religious pilgrims have been seeking the location of the real Mt. Sinai.Today, most people are unaware that not one piece of hard evidence has been produced to verify thatwhat is traditionally designated at "Mount Sinai" in the south central Sinai Peninsula is indeed thefamed mountain of Moses and the Exodus. In fact, the only verifiable reason that the traditional site is designated "Mount Sinai" at all is because a Roman mystic designated it and Helena, mother of Constantine I, anointed it as the true Mount Sinai early in the 4th century AD. (Helena also claimed she discovered the true "holy sepulchre" in Jerusalem and the true cross of Christ.)
Several other proposed sites for the true Mount Sinai have been suggested by biblical scholars, but thus far they have produced no archaeological evidence to support them. If we are ever to discern a correct location for the historical events recorded in the biblical Book of Exodus, it's important to use the Scriptures as a guide, just as we would use any ancient documents that have proven reliable in the past.
In the New Testament, Paul wrote in Galatians 4:25, "Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia . . ."Although some argue that here the Roman designation of Arabia includes the Sinai Peninsula, Arabia in Paul's day encompassed a larger region that primarily designated the populated regions of ancient Midian, or modern-day Saudi Arabia. As a "Hebrew of Hebrews," Paul's understanding of Arabia would have been one that was consistent with Old Testament passages like 1 Kings 10:15, 2 Chronicles 9:14, Isaiah 21:13, Jeremiah 25:24, and Ezekiel 27:21, in which Arabia is clearly identified with the region east of the Gulf of Aqaba, where "kings" ruled and the "Dedanites" co-dwelt with other nomadic peoples.
Even more telling, Exodus 3:1 plainly identifies Mount Horeb (Sinai) as being in Midian: "Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God." Here, there are two important issues. First, the region of "Midian" referred to here is undeniably the same as present-day Saudi Arabia. Second, at the traditional site of Mt. Sinai on the Sinai Peninsula, there is nothing that would cause it to be geographically identified with the "back" of a desert, in distinction from its surroundings. By contrast, the site proposed by BASE Institute is, indeed, on the far side or margin of a vast desert in ancient Midian.
However, can ancient Midian be identified with the Sinai Peninsula, which in the time of Moses, was considered a part of Egypt (although designated as the "wilderness" of Egypt)? It is apparent from Exodus 2:15 that the two were separate entities. After killing an Egyptian, Moses fled Egypt for safer ground: "When Pharaoh heard of this, he tried to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and went to live in Midian." Egypt and its holdings would not have been safe for Moses under any circumstances. He would not have fled to the Sinai Peninsula, where archaeology shows that Pharaoh had multiple mining interests and military outposts. The Bible is clear that Moses went out of Egypt, to the land of Midian east of the gulf of Aqaba.
The Bible makes several references to Moses returning to Egypt from Midian, including Exodus 4:19 where we read, "Now the Lord had said to Moses in Midian, 'Go back to Egypt, for all the men who wanted to kill you are dead." All passages associated with Moses' stay in Midian point toward present-day Saudi Arabia as the area to which Moses fled, subsequently met God at the burning bush, and then returned with the children of Israel.
Because so many Bible references as well as archaeological evidence (or the lack of it) pointed away from traditional Mount Sinai and toward Saudi Arabia as the location of the historical mountain of Moses, a site inspection was necessary to determine if other evidence could be found to support this theory. Saudi Arabia's closed borders made it impossible for a team of scholars and archaeologists to enter the country. As a result, Larry Williams and I surreptitiously slipped into the country, traced what appears to be the Exodus route, and climbed the mountain which many scholars now consider to be the true Mount Sinai.
Mt. Sinai - the Evidence
RED SEA CROSSING SITE In 1 Kings 9:26, the Bible tells us, "King Solomon also built ships at Ezion Geber, which is near Elath in Edom, on the shore of the Red Sea." This verse provides us with some compelling clues. First, Solomon had his port at Elath (modern Eilat) on the shores of the northern tip of the Gulf of Aqaba (which forms the eastern "finger" of the Red Sea proper). The NIV Study Bible references this verse as follows: "Red Sea. The Hebrew for this term, normally read as Yam Suph ('sea of reeds'), refers to the body of water through which the Israelites passed at the time of the Exodus. It can also be read, however, as Yam Soph ('sea of land's end'), a more likely reading when referring to the Red Sea, and especially . . . to its eastern arm, the Gulf of Aqaba."
This could well mean that the "sea of land's end," at the tip of the Sinai Peninsula, was the site of the Israelites' crossing. At the very least, the use of the same Hebrew term both for the place where the Israelites crossed and for the Gulf of Aqaba at Elath shows that the body of water in question is not an isolated lake, but includes the bulk of what we know as the Red Sea.
BITTER LAKES: Many scholars suggest that the actual crossing of the "sea of reeds" was in the Bitter Lakes region, north of the Gulf of Suez, where some observers have claimed that wind can cause the lake level to fluctuate several feet. However, this simply is not consistent with numerous other Biblical references, including the account of an entire, Egypt-engulfing locust swarm being blown into Yam Suph (Exodus 10:19), Solomon sailing a fleet of ships on Yam Suph (1 Kings 9:26), and the description of the way in which Pharaoh's soldiers died at Yam Suph: "But You blew with your breath, and the sea covered them. They sank like lead in the mighty waters" (Exodus 15:10). The Bitter Lakes region is a marsh with no mighty waters. At the tip of the Sinai Peninsula, however, at the entrance of the Gulf of Aqaba, the "mighty waters" of the Red Sea can reach incredible fury and awesome depths.
TRADITIONAL MOUNT SINAI: Having visited the traditional Mount Sinai in the southern Sinai Peninsula, I have seen first hand that the only place the Israelites could possibly have camped was a small, flat valley area adjacent to the mountain, allowing for only about one square yard per person (assuming that roughly 2 million people were involved in the Exodus). And despite extensive archeological investigation throughout the region, nothing has ever been found that can conclusively be tied to the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt - or can even argue for a large population of people ever occupying the area.
UNDERWATER LAND BRIDGE: Following a theory that the route of the Exodus actually took the Hebrews past (not through) the bitter Lakes and then southward along the west coast of the Sinai Peninsula, we traveled to the tip of the Sinai and explored the underwater topography (bathymetry) of the Strait of Tiran, where the Gulf of Aqaba is narrowest between the Sinai Peninsula and Saudi Arabia. There we found that an underwater land bridge exists that today is so problematic for shipping that two separate routes or "lanes" are designated for northbound and southbound ships to pass through. Further correlation of the Bible's account of the route of the Exodus causes us to realize that this unusual submarine formation may well have been trod by the Hebrews themselves.
BITTER SPRINGS OF MARAH: Exploring the further possibility that the Israelites passed through the waters of the Red Sea at the Strait of Tiran, we picked up our search for landmarks on the Saudi Arabia side of the Gulf of Aqaba. There we started at the coastline on the eastern side of the Strait of Tiran and traveled the most natural route approximately 30 kilometers inland to a group of springs, where the water in some of the springs was terribly bitter. Exodus 15:22-23 tells us, "So Moses brought Israel from the Red Sea; then they went out into the wilderness of Shur. And they went three days in the wilderness and found no water. Now when they came to Marah, they could not drink the waters of Marah, for they were bitter."
THE 70 PALMS AND 12 SPRINGS OF ELIM: As we traveled generally toward Jabal al Lawz (the Saudi Arabian mountain that is held by generations of Bedouins to be the mountain of Moses), we next encountered a group of clear water springs, with a grove of palm trees adjacent to them. We marveled at the description in Exodus 15:27: "Then they came to Elim, where there were twelve wells of water and seventy palm trees; so they camped there by the waters."
CAVES OF MOSES: While at the springs, we discovered that some nearby caves were being excavated by Saudi archaeologists. A worker at the site said that writings found in the caves indicated that the prophet Musa (Moses) had come through this area with his nation of Hebrews.
CHARRED PEAK AND MELTED ROCK: Continuing to Jabal al Lawz, and after a great deal of maneuvering to gain access to the mountain, we found the top of the mountain to be thoroughly blackened, as if the rocks had been severely scorched from without. When we broke open the rocks, we found that they were actually granite rocks with a blackened "rind" and an untouched core of pure granite inside. We had already read in Exodus 19:18, "Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire . . . ."
BOUNDARY MARKERS: As we explored further around the base of the mountain, we discovered large piles of rocks arranged in a semicircle around the front of the mountain, spaced about every 400 yards. Measuring about five feet high and 20 feet across, these piles could be the boundary markers set up by Moses, as he had been instructed by God: ". . . You warned us saying, 'set bounds around the mountain and consecrate it'" (Exodus 19:23).
GOLDEN CALF ALTAR: In a flat area at the base of the mountain we also discovered that large boulders had been placed together, creating an altar-like formation 30 feet tall and 30 feet across - quite possibly the altar where the golden calf was set up and worshiped by God's disobedient people. On the rocks were etched ancient drawings of a bull god, as described in Exodus 32:4, where Aaron ". . . received the gold from the hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf."
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Muhammad in the Bible, (Isaiah 60), Pilgrimage to Mecca..!
Here is some other prophecies about the coming of the holy prophet of God , Muhammad(SAW), and pilgrimage in Bible.
Isaiah 60
(The above and the rest of this ridiculous and blasphemous notion of Muhammad prophesied in Isaiah 60 is covered on it's own thread at the following link
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2845.0 )
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[[[[Christian Archeologists prove from the Bible that Mount Sinai is in "Saudi Arabia" today.]]]] NOT MUSLIMS !]]]]]
And the video I made includes BOTH presumed locations. The traditional one AND the one THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT that is over 1,000 KILOMETERS FROM MECCA.
LOOK AT THE MAP IN THE VIDEO OR ON THIS LINK.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hagar_ishmael.htm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
(http://www.historyofmecca.com/021bc530.png)
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I watched your video and videos about the matter but you are WRONG ! May Allah open your eyes .
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(No need to waste your time reading the next 2 posts, as they are quoted in their entirety, in the replies that follow)
Do you know how many kilometres are from Ur (TODAY'S URFA IN TURKEY) TO Beersheba/Be'er Sheva? And tell me please the year when Beersheba/Be'er Sheva was established ? HOW HAGER WENT THERE WITH ISHMAEL? MAY BE WITH AIR PLAIN! Your corrupted Bible is wrong here Abraham was in Ur at that time not in Palestine!
Why god opened her eyes why god did saved Ishmael what for?
Who is the Author of Genesis? It is not Abraham not Ishmael not Isaac nor Moses! Moses was not born at that time! Then who did those ridiculous mistakes by writing Genesis? LET WE START FROM HERE TO EXPLAIN HOW THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPTED!
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One fact is crystal clear -- the Author of the Qur'an was not human!
The capacity to embed so many, meaningfully related, randomly selected word-pairs in a body of text with a coherent surface meaning is stupendously beyond the intellectual capacity of ANY HUMAN BEING or group of people, however brilliant, and equally beyond the capacity of ANY CONCEIVABLE COMPUTING DEVICE ALLAH HU AKBAR ! You may have made some terrible mistakes in your life. There may be some things in your life you would give anything to be able to change. But, I assure you if you die WITHOUT accepting ISLAM it'll be the worst mistake you could possibly make!
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[[[[Do you know how many kilometres are from Ur (TODAY'S URFA IN TURKEY) TO Beersheba/Be'er Sheva?]]]]
I'm glad you brought Abraham's Journey up my friend. I know you don't believe what I say so why don't you do a search like - map abraham's journey - and look at one of the maps. The journey that he took - confirmed by the archaeological evidence - reveals that his journey took him in the opposite direction of Mecca.
http://www.historyofmecca.com/geography_mecca.htm
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He traveled in the "fertile crescent" where there was water, game, settlements and such. Exactly NOT like the harsh, barren, unexplored, untraveled desert between Abraham's home in Hebron, and where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD.
(http://www.historyofmecca.com/01a2c710.png)
[[[[And tell me please the year when Beersheba/Be'er Sheva was established?]]]
Settlements have come and gone repeatedly there from as early as the copper age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba#Antiquity
After Abraham cast Hagar and Ishmael out of his house, they wandered in "the wilderness of Beersheba" below Hebron. Perhaps describing the barren area north of any existing settlement of Beersheba and south of Hebron.
Gen 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave [it] unto Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
[[[[[ HOW HAGER WENT THERE WITH ISHMAEL? MAY BE WITH AIR PLAIN!]]]]]
Not at all. If you look at any map you will see that the Wilderness of Beersheba is located just below where Abraham's home in Hebron was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron#Antiquity_and_Israelite_period
Even Muslims visit Abraham's grave in Hebron today.
All Hagar and Ishmael would have had to do is wander to the south a little way from Abraham's home in Hebron to wind up in the wilderness of Beersheba.
Amusingly, the semi-literate 7th and 8th century AD SW Arabian desert dwellers that created Islamic so-called tradition tried to preposterously suggest - and their geography ignorant followers actually believe even today - is that somehow Hagar and Ishmael wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, untraveled, unexplored desert, from Hebron to Mecca, 900 years before the first caravan ever made the trip.
Even more amusing is they indicate that Hagar and Ishmael didn't have a problem with running out of water from the waterskin that Abraham sent them away with, until they had wandered the 1200 kilometers to where Mecca was built 2,000 years later, and got water from the well of Zamzam that Muhammad's grandpa dug in the 6th century.
[[[[Your corrupted Bible is wrong here .......]]]]]
Once again my friend, just because you are willing to make such a blasphemous claim, doesn't mean it will magically come true. As you can see in this case the historical record contained in scripture, that is ever-increasingly confirmed by the archaeological evidence, fits the geographical circumstances perfectly.
This while the preposterous 7th and 8th century fiction created by Muhammad's followers, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-muhammad history - yet without reference to historical record prior to the 6th century AD - not surprisingly, falls flat on it's face.
Even one of Muhammad's semi-literate tradition creators was smart enough to realize the ridiculous nature of this geographical impossibility. So what did he do to solve the problem? He claimed that Abraham and Ishmael rode back and forth on Muhammad's magic flying donkey-mule!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq#Abraham
[[[[ ........ Abraham was in Ur at that time not in Palestine!
Why god opened her eyes why god did saved Ishmael what for?
Who is the Author of Genesis? It is not Abraham not Ishmael not Isaac nor Moses! Moses was not born at that time! Then who did those ridiculous mistakes by writing Genesis? LET WE START FROM HERE TO EXPLAIN HOW THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPTED!]]]]
Let's do. Start from the top, point by point.
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[[[[[One fact is crystal clear -- the Author of the Qur'an was not human!]]]]
Come on np, it was folks like Muhammad's good friend and ex-christian Jabr that wrote much of it even necessitating Muhammad to come up with a special "revelation" in a transparent attempt at damage control.
Let alone Muhammad's first wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal that was responsible for Muhammad's Gnosticism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNr-e2phhs
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[[[[[The capacity to embed so many, meaningfully related, randomly selected word-pairs in a body of text with a coherent surface meaning is stupendously beyond the intellectual capacity of ANY HUMAN BEING or group of people, however brilliant, and equally beyond the capacity of ANY CONCEIVABLE COMPUTING DEVICE ALLAH HU AKBAR!]]]]
Come on my friend. Even Muhammad recognized what a mess he made of his so-called "revelations" as those around him kept pointing out his self-contradictions. That's why he had to create a doctrine of abrogation in an epic failure at trying to straighten his mess out.
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
A whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation!
Let's see what
Here is what "an authority on Qur'anic historical orthography, the study and scholarly interpretation of ancient manuscripts. He is also specialist in Arabic paleography." Who was "head of a restoration project, commissioned by the Yemeni government"
Says about the oldest existing manuscript of the Quran:
"My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants. The Qur'an claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or clear, but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Qur'anic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Qur'an is not comprehensible, if it can't even be understood in Arabic, then it's not translatable into any language. That is why Muslims are afraid. Since the Qur'an claims repeatedly to be clear but is notâ€"there is an obvious and serious contradiction. Something else must be going on."
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[[[[You may have made some terrible mistakes in your life. There may be some things in your life you would give anything to be able to change. But, I assure you if you die WITHOUT accepting ISLAM it'll be the worst mistake you could possibly make!]]]]
This from a guy who who has yet to explain how Hagar and Ishmael wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh barren desert, 900 years before the first caravan made the trip, and 2,000 years before Mecca was ever settled by pagan Yemeni immigrants in the 4th century AD.
From a guy that rejects the one true God of the Scriptures, Yahweh, as revealed through all of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record to mankind and the shed blood of the sinless Messiah that would save you, to follow the 23 year 7th century record of A SINGLE mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, terrorist thief as Muhammad is revealed through your own books, whose corpse still lies rotting in it's grave.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] HE THAT HATH NOT THE SON OF GOD HATH NOT LIFE.
1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.
And THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast"?
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
( DID ABRAHAM AND ALL 124 000 PROPHETS OF ALLAH WHO WERE SENT TO HUMAN KIND BELIEVED IN THAT )?
( DID ALL THOSE BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN WERE SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST ? THE PARABLE ABOUT ABRAHAM AND THE POOR LAZARUS IS VERY CLEAR THEY DO NOT ) !
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[[[[[1John 5:10 He that BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave OF HIS SON.
( DID ABRAHAM AND ALL 124 000 PROPHETS OF ALLAH WHO WERE SENT TO HUMAN KIND BELIEVED IN THAT )?]]]]
The Messiah had not been revealed in Abraham's day.
The Lord let Abraham sacrifice a ram instead of Isaac when Yahweh tested Abraham's faith. But he DID perform the sacrifice.
As Yahweh increasingly revealed Himself He had His people build a temple on Mt. Moriah, that had an alter, on which the Levites sacrificed animals to cover the sins of Yahweh's people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
The Lord even had Abraham declare an advance "type"
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
And the Lord did provide a Lamb
Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
atonement sin
http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=atonement+sin&t=KJV&sf=5
Yahweh manifest Himself through the flesh of the Messiah, Yeshua (name means Yahweh saves) as the final answer for atonement for sin.
Jesus prophesied that the temple would be torn down - every stone - just as it was.
Mar 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
No more temple sacrifice, leaving the shed blood of Messiah as the final answer for atonement of sin at the end of the 1600 year revelation of Yahweh to mankind.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[[[[( DID ALL THOSE BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN WERE SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST ?]]]]
They were saved as Yahweh's people by the blood of sacrifice, while others were saved through their own ignorance because Yahweh hadn't yet given them a law.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
Even today if somebody is too young, or retarded, or lives in a remote tribe, they are not guilty because of their ignorance.
What kind of a god would punish innocent people because of their ignorance to the things of the Spirit of God?
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said: Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins. (Book #033, Hadith #6436)
Muhammad's alter-ego, aka the Quraish pagan's "Allah" predestines people for hell for his personal torturing pleasure, before they are ever even conceived. What kind of behavior would a god like that inspire his people to engage in?
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah ... (even if they are) of the People of the Book....
John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
http://www.petewaldo.com/jihad.htm
But after these years you you will not be able to plead ignorance when you stand in judgment before the very Son of God you deny.
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jesus is how YHWH separates Himself from sin because He is too Holy to look upon sin.
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You see my friend, after all this time together your eyes have opened wide to the truth.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Tormented forever without rest.
But you not only reject the shed blood that Jesus shed for you, you also teach others to reject the Messiah's sacrifice for ALL.
Jam 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
That's why I take very seriously what I do.
Yet you cannot present even a shred of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, let alone how Hagar and Ishmael wandered 1200 kilometers across harsh, barren, untraveled, unexplored desert from Hebron to Mecca, 2,000 years before Mecca was ever established.
This even as there is an abundance of historical and archaeological evidence for other ancient Arabian towns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Towns_in_Saudi_Arabia
Even worse, YOU CANNOT DENY that 100% of Islamic so-called tradition, was all created and put to the pen in the 7th and 8th centuries AD by semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers like ibn Ishak, without reference to any actual historical record from before the 6th century AD.
Yet you REJECT the actual historical record contained in Scripture that is ever-increasingly confirmed by archaeology, to put your faith in Muhammad and his boy's 7th and 8th century fiction, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-muhammad history.
[[[[ THE PARABLE ABOUT ABRAHAM AND THE POOR LAZARUS IS VERY CLEAR THEY DO NOT ) !]]]]
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Jesus is how YHWH separates Himself from sin because He is too Holy to look upon sin.
(THAT IS RIGHT THEY ARE NOT EQUAL! THAT'S WHY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THE SON AND THE FATHER INSTEAD IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER , THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ) !
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;( YES THIS IS 100% PAGAN BELIEF OF MEDIATORS THAT WAS THE BELIEF OF THE PAGAN ARABS! ) AND THE IDEA OF PAUL!
YOU SAID:
You see my friend, after all this time together your eyes have opened wide to the truth.( THAT IS FOR YOU NOT FOR ME I OPENED YOUR EYES AND YOU WILL HAVE NO EXCUSES ON FRONT YOUR CREATOR ALLAH !
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him. (THIS IS NOT WHAT THE ALLAH OF LOVE WILL DO TO HIS CREATURES)! IT IS FABRICATION FROM THE CORRUPTED GOSPELS! SHOW TO THE WORLD THE ORIGINALS)!
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.(THAT IS NOT ABOUT US THE MUSLIMS BUT IT IS ABOUT THE SATANIC MASONS LIKE YOU WHO ARE WORSHIPING IBLIS/AZAZIL /SATAN THE FATHER OF LIES AND THE FALSE MESSIAH WHO YOU ARE WAITING TO COME AS WORLD PRESIDENT TO RULE THE WORLD FROM JERUSALEM HE IS THE FALSE PROPHET NOT MUHAMMAD S.A.A.W. ) !
Yet you cannot present even a shred of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, let alone how Hagar and Ishmael wandered 1200 kilometers across harsh, barren, untraveled, unexplored desert from Hebron to Mecca, 2,000 years before Mecca was ever established.
This even as there is an abundance of historical and archaeological evidence for other ancient Arabian towns.(FIRST OF ALL THE RELIGIOUS BOOKS ARE NOT BOOKS OF HISTORY THE BIBLE IS NOT A HISTORY BOOK EITHER history is very sneaky and tricky matter ! You still did not answer most of my questions: How Abraham went with Sarah an Isaac to Beersheba from Ur today's Urfa in Turkey you are good in calculating the Km./Ml. ? When according to your "historical" evidence Beersheba was established? When Jerusalem was established? GIVE EXACT YEARS AND DATES! Who is the Author of Genesis? What kind of god is that to play such a game with his "creatures "first to save them by Faith and animal sacrifice and then after thousand of years to decide to send his only born son the Christ Jesus the "MEDIATOR "If Humans and Jinn have man and wife at least two children then how can your god to have only one son is he so poor where is his wife? The Christianity in all it's doctrines and dogmas is 100% Schizophrenic religion on the World!
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Please watch this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd3l72qtxsQ&feature=related
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(sent him a link to a thread dedicated to (Deedat's) preposterous notion that Muhammad was prophesied in Isaiah 60, from np's PM on the 25th http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2839.msg11567#msg11567 )
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2845.0
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Would you please explain how Ishmael traveled across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, desert, in time to make it to Abraham's funeral in Hebron?
http://www.bibleplaces.com/hebron.htm
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"Would you please explain how Ishmael traveled across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, desert, in time to make it to Abraham's funeral in" IT IS THE SAME WAY HOW ABRAHAM TRAVELED FROM UR/URFA TO BEERSHEBA OR TO HEBRON !
WOULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME AND TO ALL MUSLIMS HOW CAN THE OUTCAST SATAN TO BE IN THE MEETING WITH THE ANGELS AND YHWH ? THE BOOK OF JOB !
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[[[["Would you please explain how Ishmael traveled across 1200 kilometers of harsh, barren, desert, in time to make it to Abraham's funeral in" IT IS THE SAME WAY HOW ABRAHAM TRAVELED FROM UR/URFA TO BEERSHEBA OR TO HEBRON !]]]]
But that trip took 20 years.
Are you saying that from the time Abraham died until the time he was buried was 20 years?
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(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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"Since they are all one and the same, I wouldn't hesitate to put them in any order I choose. "
NO YOU CAN NOT DO THAT ! TRY IT OR JUST TALK TO YOUR CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS TO SEE WHAT THEY WILL TELL YOU !
* CONCLUSION *
JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD NOR SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD NOR HE IS LITERALLY SON OF GOD !
THE RELIGION NAMED CHRISTIANITY IS 100% FALSE BELIEF !
THE BOOKS CALLED FOUR AUTHENTICAL GOSPELS ARE FALSE THEY WERE FABRICATIONS OF EMPEROR KONSTANTIN HELPED BY PAUL AND ATHANASIUS !
ISLAM IS THE TRUTH !
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[[[["Since they are all one and the same, I wouldn't hesitate to put them in any order I choose. "
NO YOU CAN NOT DO THAT ! TRY IT OR JUST TALK TO YOUR CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS TO SEE WHAT THEY WILL TELL YOU !
* CONCLUSION *]]]]
They will tell you the same thing they would tell me. The order doesn't matter since they are all ONE.
However I don't worship Yahweh through men's opinions but through the Scriptures and there is no ordinance in scripture as to what order to use. That's why you have no idea where you got such an idea.
[[[JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD NOR SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD .......]]]]
See how easily Satan has inspired pure blasphemy to flow from your filthy mouth?
Luk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Jhn 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard [him] ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to [his] promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Phl 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, [which is] our hope;
1Ti 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
2Ti 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Tts 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
[[[[....... NOR HE IS LITERALLY SON OF GOD !]]]]
We both agree that Mary was Yeshua's mother.
So then if Yahweh is not Yeshua's Father then who is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geGTBo2X3sY
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Matthew 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Matthew 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but [it shall be given to them] for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
Matthew 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Luke 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and [in his] Father's, and of the holy angels.
Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].
Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:36 But I have greater witness than [that] of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
John 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
John 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
John 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.
John 11:41 Then they took away the stone [from the place] where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up [his] eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will [my] Father honour.
John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, [saying], I have both glorified [it], and will glorify [it] again.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
John 16:17 Then said [some] of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.
John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
John 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
John 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
John 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
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THE Son of God
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Matthew 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 4:3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
Luke 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
John 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Romans 1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.
*Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
1John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;
Son of God
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Luke 10:6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him].
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
John 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: [but] the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [him] go.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
1Corinthians 1:9 God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
2Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
2John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
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[[[[THE RELIGION NAMED CHRISTIANITY IS 100% FALSE BELIEF !
THE BOOKS CALLED FOUR AUTHENTICAL GOSPELS ARE FALSE THEY WERE FABRICATIONS OF EMPEROR KONSTANTIN HELPED BY PAUL AND ATHANASIUS !
ISLAM IS THE TRUTH !]]]]]
The problem with that lie is that Paul was killed in the year 67 and Constantine wasn't even born until 272. Yet we have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the Gospel that were penned before 300 AD.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm
Now you are an Islamic Mufti, or teacher.
Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full [of years]; and was gathered to his people. 9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which [is] before Mamre;
It took Abraham about 20 years to travel from Ur to Canaan.
So how long does an Islamic Mufti teach that it took Ishmael to travel from Mecca, 1200 kilometers to Hebron, to help Isaac bury Abraham?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron#Cave_of_the_Patriarchs
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Pete note
Quote from: Peter on October 31, 2011, 05:21:51 AM
Yet you cannot present even a shred of historical or archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD, let alone how Hagar and Ishmael wandered 1200 kilometers across harsh, barren, untraveled, unexplored desert from Hebron to Mecca, 2,000 years before Mecca was ever established.
This even as there is an abundance of historical and archaeological evidence for other ancient Arabian towns.(FIRST OF ALL THE RELIGIOUS BOOKS ARE NOT BOOKS OF HISTORY THE BIBLE IS NOT A HISTORY BOOK EITHER
It is the only historical record we have of ancient history and is ever increasingly confirmed by the archaeological evidence. (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Asr4SN52_0L3IyvZdJDJQ36bvZx4?p=archaeology+confirms+bible&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701)
Isn't it ironic how Muhammadans quote and use the Scriptures as a historical record, wishfully hoping against hope that they can find Muhammad there (like np's exegesis of Isaiah 60 (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2845.0)), and then turn right around and blaspheme the scriptures as not being a historical record?
Quote from: Peter on October 31, 2011, 05:21:51 AM......... history is very sneaky and tricky matter!
We can see what a "tricky" and "sneaky" matter the actual historical record is, to the follower of a bunch of 7th and 8th century SW Arabian desert dwelling semi-literates, whose preposterous CREATED FICTION cannot stand in the light of scripture, history, archaeology or geography, let alone common sense. An absolute farce that masquerades as thousands of years of history, without reference to any actual historical record from before the 6th century AD. The Quran unable to even stand within it's own internal evidence, with a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras subject to abrogation.
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They will tell you the same thing they would tell me. The order doesn't matter since they are all ONE.
However I don't worship Yahweh through men's opinions but through the Scriptures and there is no ordinance in scripture as to what order to use. That's why you have no idea where you got such an idea. I KNOW VERY WELL WHAT I AM ASKING YOU, IT IS NOT AN IDEA AT ALL! O.K. THEN WHY YOU DO NOT CHANGE THE ORDER IN THE CHURCHES? IT SEEMS YOU DO NOT KNOW CHRISTIANITY WELL! THERE IS NOT A REAL DISCIPLE OF JESUS WHO WORSHIPED THE TRINITY ALL OF THE 12 THEY DID NOT! THAT WAS FABRICATED AFTER 325 A.D. AND THEY DECIDED TO BE IN THIS ORDER IT IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED TO SAY IT OTHER WAY! THEY CLAIM IT TO BE BLASPHEMY.
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All those examples which you are giving me they are from the fabricated gospels! Is not worthy !
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Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. WHERE LUKE GOT THAT FROM? WHO GAVE HIM THIS INFORMATION WHEN HE NEVER WAS A DISCIPLE OF JESUS AND HE WROT A GOSPEL AFTER 40 YEARS WHEN JESUS WAS NOT HERE ANYMORE?
Mark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. MARK WAS NOT THERE AT ALL WHO TOLD HIM THAT STORY? HOW CAN SOME ONE WRITE A GOSPEL WHEN IS NOT A WITNESS? THAT COULD HAPPEN ONLY IN YOUR FILTHY MIND!
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The problem with that lie is that Constantine wasn't even born until 272, yet we have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the Gospel DO YOU HAVE THEM NOW IN YOUR CHURCHES? that were penned before 300 AD.
CONSTANTINE/KONSTANTIN DID THE FABRICATION with his helpers you know who they are, IN THE YEAR 325A.D. DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF CRAZY!
Gen 25:9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which [is] before Mamre;
YOU DID NOT TELL ME WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF GENESIS? AND THERE ARE SO MANY MISTAKES IN IT!
It took Abraham about 20 years to travel from Ur to Canaan. WHO TOLD YOU THAT? DO YOU THINK THE RICH ABRAHAM HAD NOT HORSES, DONKEYS, AND CAMELS? DO YOU THINK ABRAHAM AND HIS SONS ISHMAEL THE FIRST BORN SON AND THE SECOND BORN SON ISAAC WERE POOR AND THEY TRAVELED FROM PLACE TO PLACE BY WALK?
So how long does an Islamic Mufti teach that it took Ishmael to travel from Mecca, 1200 kilometers to Hebron, to help Isaac bury Abraham? ACCORDING TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING IT SEEMS ISHMAEL LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ISAAC AND WHEN ABRAHAM DIED ISAAC JUST KNOCKED THE DOOR TO CALL HIS BROTHER TO BURY THEIR FATHER (p.b.u.t.a.) TELL ME THEN HOW ISAAC CONTACT HIS BROTHER ISHMAEL DID HE CALL HIM ON HIS CELL PHONE OR HE JUST SENT A TEXT MESSAGE ?
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[[[[The problem with that lie is that Constantine wasn't even born until 272, yet we have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the Gospel DO YOU HAVE THEM NOW IN YOUR CHURCHES? that were penned before 300 AD.
CONSTANTINE/KONSTANTIN DID THE FABRICATION with his helpers you know who they are, IN THE YEAR 325A.D. DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF CRAZY! ]]]]
Come on my friend. Use the little bit of your mind that hasn't been compromised by praying in the vain repetitions of the heathen. All Nicea did was confirm the deity of Christ because there were heretics running around that were denying it. Just like Satan's people do today.
"It is impossible to support any kind of later corrupting when we have those 5300 early manuscripts that prove otherwise. In fact, because of this breadth of early manuscript support, textual scholars have concluded -- that for all practical purposes -- we have the original documents themselves. For a claim of tampering to be seriously considered, one would have to show that scribes from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, India, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia -- to name a few -- all made the same mistake, at the same time, for the same doctrinal purpose. An utterly ridiculous idea."
Those 5300 manuscripts were all penned BEFORE CONSTANTINE.
Do you think Constantine traveled all over the known world, and had all of the existing manuscripts, in all those languages "corrupted" to such an extent that somehow THE HUNDREDS OF VERSES I showed you regarding THE Son of God and His father were added? That Constantine changed the WHOLE SUBJECT of bible - the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah - that had been read all over the known for a couple hundred years, to somehow then become the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it had been?
How did he erase and change all those manuscripts that we have from before Constantine?
And this so the WHOLE SUBJECT became the EXACT OPPOSITE of what a 7th century illiterate SW Arabian desert dwelling illiterate, mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, terrorist, thief, declared, 600 years after the crucifixion? Can't you begin to see how broken your ability to reason has become?
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[[[[So how long does an Islamic Mufti teach that it took Ishmael to travel from Mecca, 1200 kilometers to Hebron, to help Isaac bury Abraham? ACCORDING TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING IT SEEMS ISHMAEL LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ISAAC AND WHEN ABRAHAM DIED ISAAC JUST KNOCKED THE DOOR TO CALL HIS BROTHER TO BURY THEIR FATHER (p.b.u.t.a.) TELL ME THEN HOW ISAAC CONTACT HIS BROTHER ISHMAEL DID HE CALL HIM ON HIS CELL PHONE OR HE JUST SENT A TEXT MESSAGE ?]]]]]
The wilderness of Paran was just below Beersheba, which was just below Hebron. Because Ishmael lived in proximity to Abraham it could have even been on a routine visit to his father, let alone that messages would have moved with travelers such reasonable distances to alert him to Abraham being near death.
But the problem for you is that the 1200 kilometers from Hebron to where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, were across harsh, barren, Arabian desert, and no caravans are recorded as having been able to make that trip along the Red Sea until about the 4th-6th century BC, because wells had to be dug and towns established, in order to be able to support travel across that dry barren wilderness.
In other words NOBODY made the trip until about 800 years AFTER Ishmael walked the earth.
Ibn Ishak recognized how foolish the notion of Abraham and Ishmael traveling the distance was, so he made up the idea that Abraham and Ishmael rode back and forth the 1200 kilometers on Muhammad's magic flying donkey-mule. Is that what you believe too?
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Tell me np, do you believe Ishmael had 12 sons, or do you believe this another lie of the bible?
Gen 25:13 And these [are] the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, 14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:
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Those 5300 manuscripts were all penned BEFORE CONSTANTINE.
THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM HERE ALL THOSE 5300 MANUSCRIPTS WERE NOT THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS DID NOT SPEAK GREEK AND THERE IS PROOF OF THAT BECAUSE WHEN BARNABAS WAS WITH PAUL IN GREECE HE complained TO THE other real Apostles that Paul is speaking in Greek with out translating to him what exactly he is preaching and also he complained to Apostle Peter that Paul is totally changing the teachings of Yehahshua Meshih ( Jesus Christ ) Iisa Messih! Infidel when you are talking none senses think before you start! The originals are in HEBREW! IF NOT THEN THE DEBATE IS OVER! BECAUSE IF YOUR SCRIPTURES WERE WRITTEN IN OTHER LANGUAGE THEN HEBREW WHAT WAS THE REASON OF THAT WHEN JESUS CAME TO THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL NOT TO THE WORLD ! FROM HERE WE CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE 100% FABRICATIONS! WE KNOW VERY WELL WHAT HAPPENED IN THE YEAR 325 A.D. ALL NICEA DID IS FULL FABRICATIONS !
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The wilderness of Paran ( INFIDEL I SENT YOU THE PROOF WHAT PARAN IS YOU DID NOT READ IT ) was just below Beersheba, which was just below Hebron. Because Ishmael lived in proximity to Abraham it could have ( YOU ARE NOT SURE HERE "IT COULD HAVE " WE ARE NOT BASED ON "IT COULD HAVE" WE ARE BASED ON STABLE EVIDENCES ) even been on a routine visit to his father, let alone that messages would have moved with travelers such reasonable distances to alert him to Abraham being near death.THIS IS YOUR OWN MADE STORY AN OTHER CORRUPTION OF THE REAL FACTS !
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WE SAY THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS WHICH ARE NOT! DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK? WASN'T THE ORIGINAL IN HEBREW? WHY SOME BIBLES HAVE 66 BOOKS AND SOME 77 BOOKS? I HAVE THE GREEK ORTHODOX BIBLE AND IT HAS 77 BOOKS IS IT CORRUPTED OR NOT?
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[[[[WE SAY THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS WHICH ARE NOT! ]]]]
So then did Ishmael have 12 sons that headed 12 tribes?
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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Who are Pashtuns ? Aren't they real Israelites? YES THEY ARE! Aren't they Sunni Muslims ? YES THEY ARE! Is YHWH against them? Is YHWH bipolar to be focused only on Judah? HOW ABOUT THE OTHER SONS OF ISRAEL? HOW ABOUT THE SONS OF EDOM/ESAU? YOUR VIDEO IS BASED ON YOUR KAFIR/INFIDEL MIND WITH FALSE INTERPRETATIONS AND YOU ARE EXPLAINING THE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT! YOU ARE SCHOZOPHRENIC!
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[[[[Who are Pashtuns ? Aren't they real Israelites? YES THEY ARE!]]]]
Unfortunately there are lots of conflicting claims regarding the Pashtuns with no historical evidence to support any of them.
[[[[Aren't they Sunni Muslims ? YES THEY ARE! Is YHWH against them?]]]]]
Let's see...
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
[[[[ Is YHWH bipolar to be focused only on Judah? HOW ABOUT THE OTHER SONS OF ISRAEL?]]]]]
Just like Ishmael fathered 12 sons that formed 12 tribes, Jacob fathered 12 sons that became the tribes of Israel.
Asher, Benjamin, Dan, Gad, Issachar, Joseph, Judah, Levi, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulun
[[[[HOW ABOUT THE SONS OF EDOM/ESAU? YOUR VIDEO IS BASED ON YOUR KAFIR/INFIDEL MIND WITH FALSE INTERPRETATIONS AND YOU ARE EXPLAINING THE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT!]]]]
It isn't about an "interpretation" or "context". I simply reported what the bible says on the matter.
Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red [pottage]; for I [am] faint: therefore was his name called Edom. 31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. 32 And Esau said, Behold, I [am] at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright.
Why don't YOU tell ME why you believe Esau's name became Edom?
[[[[ YOU ARE SCHOZOPHRENIC!]]]]]
You seem to be the one having trouble focusing.
I asked about the sons and tribes of ISHMAEL, not Israel.
Some Muslims even believe Muhammad was of the tribes of Ishmael, because a couple thousand years after the fact, Ibn Ishak claimed Muhammad was from the Ishmaelite tribe of Nebaioth/Nebajoth.
Do you believe ISHMAEL had 12 sons that made 12 tribes?
Gen 25:13 And these [are] the names of the SONS OF ISHMAEL, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, 14 And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,15 Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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First about your gospels tell me :
Are Mark and Luke witnesses of Jesus? How come when they never see Jesus? Their Gospels were written 40 to 80 years after Jesus by getting some kind of information from those who witness that what they saw at Jesus time!
Asher, Benjamin, Dan,( FROM DAN WILL COME THE ANTICHRIST NOT FROM ARABS YOU MUST EDUCATE YOURSELF)! Gad, Issachar, Joseph, Judah, Levi, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulun
Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red [pottage]; for I [am] faint: therefore was his name called Edom. 31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. 32 And Esau said, Behold, I [am] at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright. ( TELL ME THEN WHAT WAS THE RESON JACOB/ISRAEL AND HIS MOTHER TO TRICK ESAU/EDOM TO GET HIS BLESSINGS FROM THE FATHER ISAAC WHEN HE SOLD ALREADY THE BIRTHRIGHT ) ????????????????????????
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[[[[First about your gospels tell me :
Are Mark and Luke witnesses of Jesus? How come when they never see Jesus?]]]]
Don't be silly. Why don't you read their accounts?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_mark.htm
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_luke.htm
[[[[Their Gospels were written 40 to 80 years after Jesus ........]]]]
Mark's Gospel is dated from between 22 to 37 years after Jesus' crucifixion.
Luke's Gospel is dated about 30 years after Jesus' crucifixion.
Dating the Gospels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxiddSTtKpA
Earliest Accounts Of Christ's Resurrection - Lee Strobel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2oHPSstgRQ
Yet BUKHARI didn't put pen to paper until GENERATIONS AFTER MUHAMMAD.
"Bukhari finished his work around 846..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari#Overview
Bukhari didn't even finish until over 200 YEARS AFTER MUHAMMAD croaked!!! Yet you reject YHWH to follow Bukhari's hogwash.
[[[[....... by getting some kind of information from those who witness that what they saw at Jesus time!]]]]
Mark and Luke, like the other Apostles, were WITNESSES of Jesus.
How many witnesses saw Muhammad's magic flying donkey-mule?
[[[[Asher, Benjamin, Dan,( FROM DAN WILL COME THE ANTICHRIST NOT FROM ARABS YOU MUST EDUCATE YOURSELF)! Gad, Issachar, Joseph, Judah, Levi, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulun]]]]]
OK. So you and ibn Ishak recognize that Ishmael had 12 sons that became 12 tribes. So why did they all live up in the upper sinai, Trans-Jordan, and northern Arabia, so many HUNDREDS OF MILES from where you believe Ishmael lived in Mecca?
I added this subject to the Forum for you yesterday.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2850.0
(let alone that Mecca didn't even exist until well over 1500 years after Ishmael).
Regarding your suggestion of an individual antichrist, this comes from the words of men, and is not supported by scripture. Even in the 1st century there were many antichrists.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Here is how we can measure an individual antichrist.
1 John 2:22 ... HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father...
1.5 billion antichrists just in Islam!
[[[[[Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red [pottage]; for I [am] faint: therefore was his name called Edom. 31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright. 32 And Esau said, Behold, I [am] at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? 33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. 34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised [his] birthright. ( TELL ME THEN WHAT WAS THE RESON JACOB/ISRAEL AND HIS MOTHER TO TRICK ESAU/EDOM TO GET HIS BLESSINGS FROM THE FATHER ISAAC WHEN HE SOLD ALREADY THE BIRTHRIGHT ) ????????????????????????]]]]
I'm not studied on the subject. Why not Google several accounts of those who are?
This one says Esau "was a murderer, rapist and glutton"
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/195,132973/Why-did-Esau-so-desperately-want-Isaacs-blessings.html
This one details the murder
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5846-esau
"Esau, lying in wait, pounced on the king, who was unaware of his proximity, and, drawing his sword, cut off the king's head."
Esau was "the Cause of Isaac's Blindness."
"...and then sold his birthright; indulging in blasphemous speeches (Gen. R. lxiii.; Pes. 22b) and in denials of immortality (Targ. Pseudo-Jon. l.c.) and of God and the resurrection; so that he figures in tradition as one of the three great atheists (Tan., Toledot, 24; Sanh. 101b)."
"Esau had won the affection of his father by lying words (Targ. Pseudo-Jon. to Gen. xxv. 28)."
"Esau was a ne'er-do-well (ib.; "a true progeny of the serpent," Zohar),"
Just like Muhammad's unproductive followers today!
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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Mark and Luke, like the other Apostles, were WITNESSES of Jesus.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS SILLY ME OR YOU? MARK AND LUKE NEVER SEE JESUS THERE IS NO ANY RECORDS TO SUPORT YOUR CLAIM! THEIR GOSPELS ARE MAN MADE STORY! CONTRADICT THE OTHER GOSPELS!
I'm not studied on the subject. Why not Google several accounts of those who are?
(HOW CAN)?
This one says Esau "was a murderer, rapist and glutton"
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/195,132973/Why-did-Esau-so-desperately-want-Isaacs-blessings.html (HOW CAN THE BLESSED SEED OF THE CHOSEN ISAAC HIS FIRST BORN SON ESAU/EDOM TO BE SO BIG SINNER MURDERER RARIST AND GLUTTON ) ? HMMMMMM IT SEEMS THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IN THE MIND OF YOUR god!
This one details the murder
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5846-esau
"Esau, lying in wait, pounced on the king, who was unaware of his proximity, and, drawing his sword, cut off the king's head."
Esau was "the Cause of Isaac's Blindness." HERE IS YOUR SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS!
Just like Muhammad's unproductive followers today! IF ISLAM WHICH WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THE FIRST RELIGION OF HUMAN KIND STARTING FROM ADAM AND EVE TIME UNTIL END OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD DISAPPEAR NOTHING WILL EXIST! WE MUSLIMS (SUNNI) ARE VERY PRODUCTIVE ALLAH MADE YOU TO WORK FOR US EVEN THE PROUD(FOR NO REASON) JEWS ARE WORKING FOR US ! EVERYTHING BELONGS TO ALLAH NOT TO JESUS! YHWH AND ALLAH ARE THE SAME IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR KAFIR /INFIDEL MIND WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC! YOUR HARD WORK IS GOING FOR NOTHING! YOU ARE JUST WAISTING YOUR TIME!
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[[[[Mark and Luke, like the other Apostles, were WITNESSES of Jesus.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS SILLY ME OR YOU? MARK AND LUKE NEVER SEE JESUS THERE IS NO ANY RECORDS TO SUPORT YOUR CLAIM! THEIR GOSPELS ARE MAN MADE STORY! CONTRADICT THE OTHER GOSPELS!]]]]
The authors of the Gospel all attest to the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, whether from first hand accounts, or the recording of witnesses testimonies. That's the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel and the whole purpose of the Messiah.
Only antichrists deny it. Antichrists that deny the 1600 year record of Yahweh and His Messiah, because they follow Bukhari's Arabian BS, that he didn't even finish creating until 200 YEARS AFTER Muhammad died in a whimper.
200 YEARS AFTER Muhammad
200 YEARS AFTER Muhammad
[[[[I'm not studied on the subject. Why not Google several accounts of those who are?
(HOW CAN)?
This one says Esau "was a murderer, rapist and glutton"
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/195,132973/Why-did-Esau-so-desperately-want-Isaacs-blessings.html (HOW CAN THE BLESSED SEED OF THE CHOSEN ISAAC HIS FIRST BORN SON ESAU/EDOM TO BE SO BIG SINNER MURDERER RARIST AND GLUTTON ) ? HMMMMMM IT SEEMS THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG IN THE MIND OF YOUR god!]]]]
Not at all. You are the only one I know of that is foolish enough to claim a heritage from Esau for Sunni Muslims. Though at least he had murder and rape in common with Muhammad!
Yahweh's covenant with Abraham is transmitted through Isaac and then through his son JACOB, whose 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel.
JACOB JACOB JACOB
Exd 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
2Ki 13:23 And the LORD was gracious unto them, and had compassion on them, and had respect unto them, because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, neither cast he them from his presence as yet.
1Ch 16:16 [Even of the covenant] which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; 17 And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, [and] to Israel [for] an everlasting covenant,
Psa 105:9 Which [covenant] he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; 10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, [and] to Israel [for] an everlasting covenant:
Act 7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so [Abraham] begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac [begat] Jacob; and Jacob [begat] the twelve patriarchs.
[[[[[This one details the murder
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5846-esau
"Esau, lying in wait, pounced on the king, who was unaware of his proximity, and, drawing his sword, cut off the king's head."
Esau was "the Cause of Isaac's Blindness." HERE IS YOUR SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS!]]]]
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
You are the Muhammadan that God made a liar, that rejects the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, to follow the 23 year 7th century record of a mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[[[[[Just like Muhammad's unproductive followers today! IF ISLAM WHICH WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THE FIRST RELIGION OF HUMAN KIND STARTING FROM ADAM AND EVE TIME UNTIL END OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD DISAPPEAR NOTHING WILL EXIST! WE MUSLIMS (SUNNI) ARE VERY PRODUCTIVE ALLAH MADE YOU TO WORK FOR US EVEN THE PROUD(FOR NO REASON) JEWS ARE WORKING FOR US!]]]]
It is the Jews that employ the Arabs in Israel, as they have since they began to be restored to their Muhammadan-desolated land, in the early 1800s.
Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: AND IN THEE SHALL ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED.
And so we have been.
The Global Islamic population is approximately 2,000,000,000 or 33% of
the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai
Economics: (zero)
Physics: (zero)
Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
Chemistry:
1999 - Ahmed Hassan Zewail
TOTAL 6 (even including the one for the terrorist Yasar Arafat for peace!)
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pa sternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phil lips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Joseph son
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Mil ton Friedman
1978 - Herb ert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Ed elman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Ed ward B. Lewis
Chemistry:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1998 - Walter Kohn
2004 - Avram Hershko, Aaron Ciechanover and Irwin Rose
2006 - Roger Kornberg
TOTAL: 151
[[[[EVERYTHING BELONGS TO ALLAH NOT TO JESUS!]]]]]
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[[[[[YHWH AND ALLAH ARE THE SAME .........]]]]
Pure blasphemy just as prophesied of the Islamic beast.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to BLASPHEME HIS NAME, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
You cannot deny that "Allah" is the name of the Quraish pagan's deity. Even Muhammad's father's name was "Abdullah" or slave of the Quraish pagan's Allah, long before Muhammad hijacked that pseudonym for Satan.
[[[[........ IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR KAFIR /INFIDEL MIND WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC! YOUR HARD WORK IS GOING FOR NOTHING! YOU ARE JUST WAISTING YOUR TIME!]]]]]
Not at all. Our recent exchange inspired more investigation and a new web page on the 12 lost tribes of Ishmael. I don't chat with you for your benefit, as much as for the folks that are actually seeking the truth, that can benefit from reading our exchange.
http://www.petewaldo.com/12_sons_tribes_ishmael.htm
Sent with THE False Prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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[[[[ IF ISLAM WHICH WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THE FIRST RELIGION OF HUMAN KIND STARTING FROM ADAM AND EVE TIME UNTIL END OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD]]]]
Islam proclaims the opposite of that revealed through the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind.
Please list all the reasons, and sources, from which a person could draw your conclusion.
Please also include the approximate dating of those sources.
Sent with IS ISLAM A RELIGION?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE
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Yahweh's covenant with Abraham is transmitted through Isaac and then through his son JACOB, whose 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel.
JACOB JACOB JACOB
(According to your silly mind YHWH discriminates Abraham's first born son Ishmael/Ismail throws him in the garbage then YHWH again discriminates Abraham's grand son Esau/Edom and chooses the tricky Jacob /Israel ( Which means this who is fighting with God ) Do you think YHWH is evil like you ? You filthy KAFIR don't know anything and are trying to debate with me for almost 3years you will go to the real HELL there will be no help for you, you are preparing your punishment that is your destiny!
That what you are showing as facts just proofed what I said your are working for us and we enjoy! ( BECAUSE WE ARE VERY BUSY TO PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY TO BE IN CONTACT WITH THE CREATOR OF THE WORLDS ) Those facts from the Bible which you are giving me also show that is mostly word of man not of God.
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[[[[Yahweh's covenant with Abraham is transmitted through Isaac and then through his son JACOB, whose 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel.
JACOB JACOB JACOB
(According to your silly mind .....]]]]
That's the part you don't seem to understand. What I showed you is according to Scripture and has nothing to do with my mind or even "interpretation".
Scripture is THE ONLY historical record we have of that era, and is ever-increasingly confirmed by the archaeological evidence.
Try googling the subjects and Scriptures as I already suggested.
After that try googling the history of Mecca.
[[[[...... YHWH discriminates Abraham's first born son Ishmael/Ismail throws him in the garbage then YHWH again discriminates Abraham's grand son Esau/Edom and chooses the tricky Jacob /Israel ( Which means this who is fighting with God ) Do you think YHWH is evil like you?]]]]
Your problem is that when someone points out how reprobate Muhammad is revealed through your own books, you think the person pointing out Muhammad's evil behavior to you is evil, rather than Muhammad himself being evil, as he is revealed through your own 7th - 9th century pile of poppycock.
Here's the ole mosque worship life for Muhammad and his boys:
Bukhari:V5B59N459 I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.0
[[[[You filthy KAFIR don't know anything and are trying to debate with me for almost 3years .......]]]]
But you haven't been able to begin to debate the whole time. Muhammadanism is continually flayed by the Sword of the Spirit. All you do is toss out opinion and supposition, and sprinkle in some lies from your own books, that profess the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
Yet those same books are a preposterous provably fictional creation penned by a bunch of 7th - 9th century semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers. And you continue to reject the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind for that foolishness.
[[[[...... you will go to the real HELL there will be no help for you, you are preparing your punishment that is your destiny!]]]]
Does it really make sense to you to suggest that Yahweh's people, that have followed Him through two covenants, for 3500 years, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses as revealed in His 1600 year record, are going to hell?
While those that follow NOTHING BUT MUHAMMAD through a 7th - 9th century provable pile of pure poppycock are not going to hell? Those that declare the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel of Yeshua.
Do you really believe your recycled Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn devil worship rituals and Sabian Ramadan moon worship ritual and heathen prayers, to the Quraish pagan's "Allah" aka Satan, are going to save you? This even though according to your own books the ONE MAN THAT YOU FOLLOW is revealed as having been a mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, self-admitted terrorist and thief?
My friend, it is THE false prophet Muhammad and his Islamic beast kingdom that would seem destined for hell.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[[[[That what you are showing as facts just proofed what I said your are working for us and we enjoy! ( BECAUSE WE ARE VERY BUSY TO PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY TO BE IN CONTACT WITH THE CREATOR OF THE WORLDS ) ......]]]]]
What I showed you is how broken Muhammadan minds are, from praying in the Quraish and Sabian pagan style vain repetitions of the heathen, ever since Muhammad encouraged his followers to murder and steal, instead of work for a living.
While Muslims compose 1/3 of the world's population, they have won 6 Nobel prizes, while Jews, that compose only 2/10 of 1% of the world's population have been awarded 151.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2852.0
Muhammadans migrate to western welfare states and go on the dole, rather than being productive citizens. They are rapidly bankrupting all of the liberal European socialist systems.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[[[[[........ Those facts from the Bible which you are giving me also show that is mostly word of man not of God.]]]]]
This from a guy that rejects the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind, to follow a pile of 7th to 9th century provable poppycock, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history.
I think it would be impossible for anyone to not realize that simple truth, whose mind hasn't been broken, by having their heart filled with the spirit of antichrist.
I'll continue to pray for you my friend that you see THE truth, before it's too late.
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
sent with The Sabians, Muhammad & Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3Bla8YwbU
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But you haven't been able to begin to debate the whole time. Muhammadanism is continually flayed by the Sword of the Spirit.( AFTER I SHOW YOU SO MANY PROOFS THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG THERE WERE THE HISTORICAL FACTS , BOOKS , ETC. AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT? WOW! ) All you do is toss out opinion and supposition, and sprinkle in some lies from your own books, that profess the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.( WHAT IS IN YOUR GOSPEL/GOSPELS , ONLY STORIES NO GUIDANCE AT ALL ! )
Yet those same books are a preposterous provably fictional creation penned by a bunch of 7th - 9th century semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers. And you continue to reject the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind for that foolishness. (ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT THE NOBEL QUR'AN WAS WRITTEN MY PROPHET MUHAMMAD s.a.w. ) ?
Muhammadans migrate to western welfare states and go on the dole, rather than being productive citizens. They are rapidly bankrupting all of the liberal European socialist systems. WHY YOU DON'T KILL ALL OF US YOU ARE MASTERS IN THAT? WE ARE IN YOUR HANDS JUST DO IT!
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This video is to support may claim that the Pashtuns are from the children of Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYIBGuwq4vk
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[[[But you haven't been able to begin to debate the whole time. Muhammadanism is continually flayed by the Sword of the Spirit.( AFTER I SHOW YOU SO MANY PROOFS THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG THERE WERE THE HISTORICAL FACTS , BOOKS , ETC. AND YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT? WOW! )]]]]
But that's a lie and you know it. You haven't shown me A SINGLE "HISTORICAL FACT" that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD.
You couldn't even explain how Ishmael wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh desert from Mecca to Hebron to help Isaac bury Abraham.
The following link contains a copy of our chat. Clicking on the title of each post will create a URL address for that post.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2839.0
Show me a single comment, from this, or ANY other chat we have had, in which you presented "HISTORICAL FACTS" that suggest Mecca ever existed before a bunch of Yemeni pagans settled it in the 4th century AD.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE, of Mecca before the 4th century AD.
This while there is loads of evidence for other ancient Arabian towns.
This while there are over a million artifacts of Jerusalem and it's history - just on display!
You didn't present any EVIDENCE of a pre-4th century Mecca, and you can't, because there is no such thing as "HISTORICAL FACTS" in Islam. THE ENTIRETY of what you have been fooled by Satan into believing is pre-muhammad history, is nothing more than a big load of fictional crap that was all CREATED and penned in the 7th to 9th centuries AD.
Indeed the available HISTORICAL EVIDENCE confirms that Mecca was built around the 4th century AD by a bunch of Arabian pagans, and the Kaaba in the early 5th century AD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8VOZbuu-Q
This cannot be argued. If you think it can then SHOW ME the EVIDENCE.
Explain to me how a bunch of semi-literate 7th to 9th century SW Arabian desert dwellers knew what went on thousands of years before.
Quote from: Peter on November 04, 2011, 07:54:25 AM
This video is to support may claim that the Pashtuns are from the children of Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYIBGuwq4vk
Someone discussing a claim their 20th century grandfather made does not create thousands of years of genealogy. Nor do the various presumptions and leaps the video made through similarity of places and people's names etc.
That being said, it isn't unusual to find suggestion of traces of lost tribes of Israel, in many places around the world.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/one_more_time.htm
A good read on the subject is "Eternity in their Hearts".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=28.0
But a person's roots are irrelevant, particularly when they have given themselves over to Satan through the lies of his 7th century prophet Muhammad, that proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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To all Christians: Did Jesus Christ have a godly nature? If yes then why he did not control his anger when the fig tree had no fruits on it and he did not use the godly power to do miracle and to tell the fig tree to give him fruits (figs) but he cursed it and the innocent fig tree died? If you tell me that it is parable about Israel the children of Israel because they were not productive then why god chose Israel to do covenant with him and his descendants? Didn't god know that they will be not productive at all?
But that's a lie and you know it(THAT IS ALIE ?) HMMMMMMMMMMMM WOW! You haven't shown me A SINGLE "HISTORICAL FACT" that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD. (HISTORICAL FACT FROM THAT TIME? WHEN ABRAHAM WENT WITH HAGER AND THEIR SON TO THE LAND WHERE NOW MECCA IS? DO YOU THINK THERE IS SOME HISTORIAN TO EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD EXACTLY THE TIME AND YEAR AND DATE WHEN AND WHERE THE GREAT WORLD FLOOD BEGIN? BIBLE IS NOT A HISTORICAL BOOK EITHER LOTS OF CONTRADICTIONS IN IT BECAUSE OF THE HUMAN NATURE OF IT SCRIBERS!
You couldn't even explain how Ishmael wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh desert from Mecca to Hebron to help Isaac bury Abraham. WHY I SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT IT IS ALLAH'S JOB HE WILL EXPLAIN IT TO THOSE LIKE YOU KAFIROON /INFIDELS IN THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT!
Show me a single comment, from this, or ANY other chat we have had, in which you presented "HISTORICAL FACTS" that suggest Mecca ever existed before a bunch of Yemeni pagans settled it in the 4th century AD. THEN THE BIBLE IS LYING ABOUT PARAN /BACA ?
Psalm 84 is talking about the pilgrimage of King David to the Holy House of the Lord.
The Holy House of the Lord is expressed in psalm 84 in three forms:
In verse 1) as the dwelling place of the LORD
In verse 2) as the courts of the LORD
In verse 4) as the house of the LORD
Well, we have a House of the Lord.
But we all know that King Solomon built the House of the Lord in Jerusalem. Hence David was not talking about Jerusalem
King David was talking about another house.
In Psalm 84:5-6 you find that pilgrimage was done when David passed through the Valley of Baca.
Then, what is Baca?
Baca is Bakkah or Bekka or Becca or Bakka or Bacca; all are Mecca.
Also King David, while he was in Bacca or Mecca, made a Prophecy about Muhammad.
He said in Psalm 84:12 "Blessed is the man who trusts in you."
The priests wanted to dishonor King David because he dwelled in Arabia, in the tents of Kedar, the son of Ishmael wherein there is the house of the Lord's glory (in Mecca) and also he made Prophecies about Muhammad and the Quran
The Bible claims that King David Committed Adultery, Commanded to kill one of his best soldiers to hide his crime of adultery and to take his wife etc.
[[[[To all Christians: Did Jesus Christ have a godly nature? If yes then why he did not control his anger when the fig tree had no fruits on it and he did not use the godly power to do miracle and to tell the fig tree to give him fruits (figs) but he cursed it and the innocent fig tree died? If you tell me that it is parable about Israel the children of Israel because they were not productive then why god chose Israel to do covenant with him and his descendants? Didn't god know that they will be not productive at all?]]]]
Jesus chastised the Pharisees for letting their tradition nullify scripture. (Muhammadans do even worse today, outright blaspheming scripture!). They rejected that Jesus is their Messiah so Judaism was not allowed to produce fruit beyond that point in history. Prior to the first century Judaism was a very proselytizing religion. After the first century not at all, again proving the truth of Jesus' words. Today Jews compose just 2/10 of 1% of the world's population.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=493.msg10363#msg10363
[[[[But that's a lie and you know it(THAT IS ALIE ?) HMMMMMMMMMMMM WOW! You haven't shown me A SINGLE "HISTORICAL FACT" that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD. (HISTORICAL FACT FROM THAT TIME?]]]]]
Yes there is lots of historical and archaeological evidence from that time. From ARABIAN records as well as others. The HISTORICAL AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL RECORDS FROM THAT TIME attest to many ancient Arabian towns, but Mecca is not mentioned among them, because Mecca never existed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Towns_in_Saudi_Arabia
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1138.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1132.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1133.0
[[[[ WHEN ABRAHAM WENT WITH HAGER AND THEIR SON TO THE LAND WHERE NOW MECCA IS?]]]]]
Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael WERE NEVER WITHIN 1,000 KILOMETERS - of where Mecca was eventually built - 1500 years after they walked the earth. The archaeological and historical evidence tells us that Abraham's travels were in the fertile crescent.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm#abraham_journey
[[[[DO YOU THINK THERE IS SOME HISTORIAN TO EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD EXACTLY THE TIME AND YEAR AND DATE WHEN AND WHERE THE GREAT WORLD FLOOD BEGIN?]]]]
Come on Tereeb. You know it's sheer stupidity to expect that each specific date for each historical event is known. However we do know lots of dates. Some are even etched in stone that are found through archaeological excavations, other dates are implied in written records like "in the third year of Cyrus" and we can deduce very near when that was based on other historical and archaeological information.
[[[[BIBLE IS NOT A HISTORICAL BOOK ......]]]]]
That is a flat out ignorant and very foolish lie. The bible IS THE ONLY HISTORICAL BOOK we have of those times. It is ever-increasingly proven by the archaeological evidence to be a reliable record of ancient history.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2423.0
[[[[...... EITHER LOTS OF CONTRADICTIONS IN IT .......]]]]
That's another lie that you believe from Satan's liars through your ignorance.
[[[[........ BECAUSE OF THE HUMAN NATURE OF IT SCRIBERS!]]]]
Calling your own false prophet a liar now. Muhammad said this in his early Mecca days, before the first word was written in Muhammadanism.
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
So according to you Muhammad was a foolish liar to have made such an error.
Scribes scrupulously COPIED Scripture. They multiplied it. The later in time, the more copies there were. And in several languages so that they could be compared to each other.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm
Yet Muhammadanism professes the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - beginning to end.
That's not the result of some minor scribal error, but concrete proof that Muhammadanism is a creation of Satan - the father of lies.
It was one of Satan's angels (Koine Greek "aggelos" means messenger - good or evil) that met Muhammad in that cave.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Like the demonic angels that fill Muhammadan mosques with the spirit of antichrist.
sent with Scriptures / Gospel / Bible Were Corrupted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJ1hk4lH3U
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[[[[[You couldn't even explain how Ishmael wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh desert from Mecca to Hebron to help Isaac bury Abraham. WHY I SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT IT IS ALLAH'S JOB HE WILL EXPLAIN IT TO THOSE LIKE YOU KAFIROON /INFIDELS IN THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT!]]]]
The BIBLE and archaeological EVIDENCE and GEOGRAPHICAL locations attested in Scripture MAKE PERFECT HISTORICAL, ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND GEOGRAPHICAL SENSE. Perfectly reasonable and explainable.
The reason you have to believe it is some sort of a mystery of the Quraish pagan's "Allah" is because the nonsense in the Quran and Hadith are PROVABLY PURE LIES because they ARE HISTORICAL AND GEOGRAPHICAL IMPOSSIBILITIES. Nor is there any archaeological evidence to support that ridiculous tripe. That's why you can't explain it but instead have to make the ridiculous statement "ALLAH'S JOB HE WILL EXPLAIN IT", to explain the IMPOSSIBILITY OF ISLAM.
THE TRUTH is that YOU CANNOT DENY that the Kaaba, and all your foolish rituals and black stone idol veneration, are ALL FROM QURAISH PAGANISM. Whether the moon, sun and star worship rituals of the Hajj, or the recycled jinn devil worship of the Sa'ee of the Umrah.
This is also how we can know that Muhammadan nonsense about Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael ever having been within 1,000 KM of where Mecca was built in the 4th century AD are ALL FABLES CREATED in the 7th - 9th centuries by a bunch of semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers. Nothing but provably foolish lies.
TELL US TEREEB, HOW DID IBN ISHAK KNOW WHAT WENT ON 2,000 YEARS BEFORE HIM? Go to the library of Mecca?
Even Ibn Ishak was smart enough to realize the GEOGRAPHICAL IMPOSSIBILITY of Mecca having anything to do with Abraham or Ishmael, because of the distance. So he make up the story of Abraham and Ishmael commuting back and forth from Hebron to Mecca by riding on Muhammad's magic flying donkey-mule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq#Abraham
"The Buraq was also said to transport Abraham (Ibrahim) when he visited his wife Hagar and son Ishmael. According to tradition, Abraham lived with one wife in Syria, but the Buraq would transport him in the morning to Mecca to see his family there, and take him back in the evening to his Syrian wife.[5]"
See how ridiculous Muhammadanism is? Rather than the PERFECTLY REASONABLE AND SENSIBLE HISTORICAL RECORD we find IN SCRIPTURE, a bunch of 7th - 9th century SW Arabian desert dwelling liars had to make up fantasies to bridge the 1200 kilometer distance from Satan's Mecca, to THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
Which incidentally from the temple mount to the Quraish pagan's kaaba and black stone idol is 666 nautical miles. Another 666 coincidence.
sent with 666, Quran & Muhammad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj2tY3jZL3M
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[[[[Show me a single comment, from this, or ANY other chat we have had, in which you presented "HISTORICAL FACTS" that suggest Mecca ever existed before a bunch of Yemeni pagans settled it in the 4th century AD. THEN THE BIBLE IS LYING ABOUT PARAN /BACA ?]]]]]
No Tereeb. Liars like Ahmed Deedat are lying about Paran and Baca. Deedat's followers are ignorant enough to geography to believe his buffoonery. They don't even know that it's 1200 kilometers from Mecca to Jerusalem.
[[[[[Psalm 84 is talking about the pilgrimage of King David to the Holy House of the Lord.
The Holy House of the Lord is expressed in psalm 84 in three forms:
In verse 1) as the dwelling place of the LORD
In verse 2) as the courts of the LORD
In verse 4) as the house of the LORD
Well, we have a House of the Lord.
But we all know that King Solomon built the House of the Lord in Jerusalem. Hence David was not talking about Jerusalem
King David was talking about another house.
In Psalm 84:5-6 you find that pilgrimage was done when David passed through the Valley of Baca.
Then, what is Baca?]]]]
You can google it. It is a valley of balsam trees. Balsam trees bleed sap.
""The Valley of Rephaim lay southwest of Jerusalem and formed part of the boundary between Judah and Benjamin (Joshua 15:8). It may correspond to the 'Valley of Baca' (Psalm 84:6), due to the balsam trees that were there (1 Chronicles 14:14-15). These are named, literally, 'weepers' because of their drops of milky sap." (Payne) "
http://www.petewaldo.com/baca_mecca.htm
Mecca was barren.
One thing we can know is that it was/is near ZION since that is THE DESTINATION OF THE PILGRIMAGE referenced.
To suggest that this pilgrimage was 1200 kilometers across harsh, barren, unexplored, untraveled desert, would require that thousands of people, EACH RODE ON THEIR OWN MAGIC FLYING DONKEY-MULE 1200 KILOMETERS to where Mecca was eventually built.
[[[[[Baca is Bakkah or Bekka or Becca or Bakka or Bacca; all are Mecca.]]]]
Another lie. Baca of scripture is a valley near ZION. "Baca" is a HEBREW name from antiquity that does not occur in the ARABIC Quran. In fact Arabic is such a new language that it wasn't even a written language before about the 3rd century AD.
[[[[Also King David, while he was in Bacca .......]]]]
The passage says Psalms 84:6 [Who] PASSING THROUGH the valley of Baca.....
PASSING THROUGH PASSING THROUGH PASSING THROUGH.
The destination of the pilgrimage wasn't TO a valley of balsam trees. It was TO THE TABERNACLE that Yahweh had his people build on Mt. Moriah IN ZION.
Do you really believe they wandered out of ZION, 1200 kilometers to the south THROUGH Mecca, and 1200 kilometers back north to the TEMPLE IN ZION?
Please look at the images of the temples on this web page. Compare where Yahweh had His people build His temple, with where the Quraish pagan's "Allah" (aka Satan) was foolish enough to have his people build his temple.
http://www.petewaldo.com/mecca.htm
[[[[[......... or Mecca, made a Prophecy about Muhammad.
He said in Psalm 84:12 "Blessed is the man who trusts in you."]]]]
Read what you wrote again. See how foolish all this nonsense is about Muhammad in the bible? Any time the term "prophet" is used, and now "man" is used in scripture Muhammadans pretend it is a reference to Muhammad!
All the lies you can tell regarding the bible WILL NEVER MOVE MECCA CLOSER THAN 1200 KILOMETERS FROM THE HOLY LAND where Yahweh had His people build His temple.
YOU CANNOT DENY IT WAS a place of pagan moon, sun, star and jinn devil worship rituals. The only difference is that the pagan Arabs before the 7th century were intelligent enough to know they were worshiping the moon. While Muhammad's followers have been deceived into performing the same rituals.
But even some of his followers knew better.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance...
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
sent with IS ISLAM A RELIGION?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujUOZyrnewE
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[[[[The priests wanted to dishonor King David because he dwelled in Arabia, in the tents of Kedar, .........]]]]
Kedar was a thousand kilometers to the north of Mecca. LOOK IT UP.
http://www.petewaldo.com/12_sons_tribes_ishmael.htm
Yahweh had David acquire the land, on which Yahweh had David's son Solomon build the temple. Please look at the temple images on this page and compare the temple that Yahweh had His people build on Mt. Moriah in THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, compared to the unsymmetrical black box that Satan was ignorant enough to have his people build in a valley in Mecca.
Please copy and paste this link and compare them.
http://www.petewaldo.com/mecca.htm
[[[[[........ the son of Ishmael wherein there is the house of the Lord's glory (in Mecca) and also he made Prophecies about Muhammad and the Quran
The Bible claims that King David Committed Adultery, Commanded to kill one of his best soldiers to hide his crime of adultery and to take his wife etc.]]]]]
You brought nothing but foolish lies about the bible in your efforts to conform it to Muhammad's recycled 7th century Arabian paganism.
Still NOT A SHRED of EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD. Even as there are a million artifacts just on display in Jerusalem.
STILL NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE OF MECCA prior to the 4th century AD. This supposed EPICENTER of Muhammadanism allegedly since ADAM!
All you could bring was LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE, as if the provable foolishness of a bunch of 7th - 9th century SW Arabian desert dwellers LIES could replace the PERFECTLY HISTORICALLY, ARCHAEOLOGICALLY, GEOGRAPHICALLY, REASONABLE AND SOUND RECORD found in Holy Scripture.
LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE because you follow THE FATHER OF LIES through the Quran and Hadith of THE PROPHET OF THE FATHER OF LIES.
All you have to do is honestly ask yourself when Islamic so-called "tradition" BEGAN and you can conclude that it's nothing more than 7th to 9th century Arabian buffoonery, CREATED by a bunch of SW Arabian desert dwellers, to embellish Satan's prophet's blasphemy.
sent with THE False Prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ
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Muhammadans even prostrate themselves 5 times a day, to the very same black stone idol that the Quraish pagans venerated, even as Muhammadans lie by claiming that they don't venerate it.
sent with Black Stone Veneration at the Kaaba in Mecca
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGyWs__Y-rU
(No need to waste your time reading this post, as it is quoted in it's entirety, in the replies that follow)
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ABOUT MY COMMENT ON THE FIG TREE PETEWALDO STILL SENDS ME HIS FILTHY MESSAGES TO MY YOUTUBE EMAIL HE IS COWARD TO DEBATE ON THE CHANNEL OF BROTHER BeholderGuard MY ANSWER TO HIM IS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS:
PeteWaldo:Jesus chastised the Pharisees for letting their tradition nullify scripture. (Muhammadans do even worse today, outright blaspheming scripture!). They rejected that Jesus is their Messiah so Judaism was not allowed to produce fruit beyond that point in history. NP333123:( THEN THAT MEANS GOD DID MISTAKE AND DID NOT KNOW THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WILL KILL HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ? ! PeteWaldo:Prior to the first century Judaism was a very proselytizing religion. CONT...
NP333123:( WHAT? JUDAISM? WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT THE RELIGION OF ADAM AND EVE, NOAH ,HEBER, ABRAHAM , MOSES , JESUS , ETC. ? DID JUDAH CREATE A NEW RELIGION CALLED JUDAISM? ) Petewaldo:After the first century not at all, again proving the truth of Jesus' words. Today Jews compose just 2/10 of 1% of the world's population. NP333123: ( TODAY THEY STILL FIGHT WITH GOD AND TRY TO CHANGE GOD'S LAW AND CORRUPT IT THAT'S WHY GOD NAMED JACOB ISRAEL (THIS WHO FIGHT WITH GOD )!
Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael WERE NEVER WITHIN 1,000 KILOMETERS - of where Mecca was eventually built - 1500 years after they walked the earth. The archaeological and historical evidence tells us that Abraham's travels were in the fertile crescent.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm#abraham_journey THEN HOW KING DAVID WENT TO MECCA IT IS RECORDED IN YOUR CORRUPTED BIBLE I SHOW YOU THE PROOF !
That is a flat out ignorant and very foolish lie. The bible IS THE ONLY HISTORICAL BOOK we have of those times. It is ever-increasingly proven by the archaeological evidence to be a reliable record of ancient history.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2423.0 IF THE CORRUPTED BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL BOOK HOW YOU CLAIM THEN WHY IS NOT CLEAR IN YEARS AND DATES HOW I KNOW THE HISTORICAL BOOKS ARE SHOWING THE YEARS AND THE DATES ETC. ?
Calling your own false prophet a liar now. Muhammad said this in his early Mecca days, before the first word was written in Muhammadanism.
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/ BY GIVING ME EXAMPLES OUT OF CONTEXT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!
Scribes scrupulously COPIED Scripture. They multiplied it. The later in time, the more copies there were. And in several languages so that they could be compared to each other.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm THAT WAS THE EAXCT TIME FOR THE CORRUPTION OF THE BIBLE TO PUT IN IT THAT WHAT THEY LIKE AND THAT WHAT THEY DON NOT LIKE TO THROW AWAY! HMMMMMMMM!
Yet Muhammadanism professes the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - beginning to end.
That's not the result of some minor scribal error, but concrete proof that Muhammadanism is a creation of Satan - the father of lies.
It was one of Satan's angels (Koine Greek "aggelos" means messenger - good or evil) that met Muhammad in that cave.( THE WHOLE SUBJECT ? WHAT WAS THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF JESUS TO COME TO SAVE THE WORLD OR LET WE SEE : (Matthew 15:24) ??????????????????????????????????????????
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: THAT IS FOR YOU THE ZIONISTS, THE MASONS, THE FALSE FOLLOWERS OF THE TRUE MESSIAH JESUS WHO CHANGE THE WHOLE SUBJECT!
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The reason you have to believe it is some sort of a mystery of the Quraish pagan's "Allah" (UNTIL TODAY THE CHRISTIAN ARABS ARE WORSHIPING IN THEIR BIBLE THE "QURAISH PAGAN'S ALLAH " BY PRAYING TO HIM EVERY DAY ) is because the nonsense in the Quran and Hadith are PROVABLY PURE LIES because they ARE HISTORICAL AND GEOGRAPHICAL IMPOSSIBILITIES. (THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE SCIENTIFIC WORLD IS AMAZED BY THE NOBEL QUR'AN AND NOT WITH THE BIBLE) ! Nor is there any archaeological evidence to support that ridiculous tripe. That's why you can't explain it but instead have to make the ridiculous statement "ALLAH'S JOB HE WILL EXPLAIN IT", to explain the IMPOSSIBILITY OF ISLAM. (YES ALLAH WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU )! BUT JESUS CAN NOT EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT KIND OF GOD IS HE WHEN HE CAN NOT CONTROL HIS ANGER AND RIGHT A WAY CURSES THE INNOSENT FIG TREE AND DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IS NOT THE SEASON OF THE FIGS ?! YOU SHOULD CORRUPT THE BIBLE ONE MORE TIME TO ERASE ALL THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IN OUR FAVOUR !
THE TRUTH is that YOU CANNOT DENY that the Kaaba, and all your foolish rituals and black stone idol veneration, are ALL FROM QURAISH PAGANISM. Whether the moon, sun and star worship rituals of the Hajj, or the recycled jinn devil worship of the Sa'ee of the Umrah. THE NOBEL QUR'AN IS 100% VERY CLEAR WHAT IS WRITTEN IN IT THAT YOUR CLAIM IS JUST YOUR OWN SCHIZOPHRENIC FABRICATION !
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Another lie. Baca of scripture is a valley near ZION. ( THAT IS YOUR LIE) ! "Baca" is a HEBREW name from antiquity that does not occur in the ARABIC Quran. In fact Arabic is such a new language( A NEW LANGUAGE )? that it wasn't even a written language before about the 3rd century AD.( THAT IS RIGHT ARABIC ABJAD IS FROM 400 AD AND THE PARENT SYSTEMS ARE : EGYPTIAN HIEROGLIPHS, PROTO-SINATIC, PHOENICIAN, ARAMAIC, SYRIAC, NABATAEAN, ARABIC ABJAD. BUT WHAT THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACTS THAT THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT KING DAVID WAS IN MECCA/ BACCA AND YOU KNOW THE REST. TODAY HEBREW IS FROM PALEO-HEBREW ALPHABET
( YOU REALLY MUST EDUCATE YOUR SELF ABOUT ALL SEMITIC LANGUAGES ARAMAIC, HEBREW, ARABIC ( WHAT LANGUAGE ABRAHAM SPOKE WITH HIS FIRST BORN SON ISHMAEL IF ARABIC IS SO NEW LANGUAGE ACCORDING TO YOU , ISN'T ISHMAEL A SEMITIC HEBREW FROM HIS FATHER DIDN'T HE SPEAK HEBREW, ARAMAIC, ARABIC AT THAT TIME ? ) ETC. AND YOU MUST KNOW HOW THE PHOENICIAN AND PROTO- SINAITIC PLAYED BIG ROLE FOR ALL ALPHABETS IN THE WHOLE HUMAN WORLD !
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[[[[ABOUT MY COMMENT ON THE FIG TREE PETEWALDO STILL SENDS ME HIS FILTHY MESSAGES TO MY YOUTUBE EMAIL HE IS COWARD TO DEBATE ON THE CHANNEL OF BROTHER BeholderGuard .......]]]]
Don't be silly. I can't. I sent BeholderGuard a very warm welcome to the forum, because he created a username and logged into the Islam-Christian Forum.
I copy and pasted my kind thank you and the terrified hysterical reactions of BeholderGuard and friendofutube here.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2830.msg11572#msg11572
Beholderguard removed the thank you and banned me from his comments because the last thing he wants is for his cadre of antichrists to see how afraid he is of returning to the forum.
Now why don't you post the link to BeholderGuard's forum thread in his channel comments, and tell him not to run away like a little girl? All we require is members ENGAGE in an EXCHANGE.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2835.0
Copy and paste it like this and tell BeholderGuard to come back to the Forum:
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=2835.0
He will ban you too!
Why don't you claim your own thread instead of running away from the forum like a little girl, and making me copy and paste your nonsense into the forum, like I did here?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2839.0
sent with "Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kCxOGGM5w
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[[[Calling your own false prophet a liar now. Muhammad said this in his early Mecca days, before the first word was written in Muhammadanism.
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/ BY GIVING ME EXAMPLES OUT OF CONTEXT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY! ]]]]
We know all too well how it works my friend.
Muhammad made such a contradictory mess of his record over just 23 years, that all of Muhammad's earlier more peaceful garbage, is abrogated by his later imperialistic, murderous, sex crazed, thieving, garbage.
Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one.
By Muhammad's day the Gospel had been copied tens of thousands of times, into every popular language, and had been read all over the known world for centuries.
There was ONLY ONE GOSPEL in Muhammad's 7th century, and it's WHOLE SUBJECT was the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah.
THE SAME GOSPEL WE HAVE TODAY.
In that 7th century Muhammad said:
Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein.
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
So was Muhammad just stupid for recommending a book you call corrupt?
sent with The Quran & Abrogation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsPA_FZCjws
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My friend, simply repeating the foolishness from Muhammadanisms 7th-9th century books will never make it magically come true, any more than it will magically move Mecca 1 inch closer, than the 1200 KM it is away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
Not any more than it will make praying toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, or engaging in the Arabian jinn-devil worship ritual of the Sa'ee, have anything to do with the one true God of the Scriptures Yahweh, who hates such idolatry and punished His people repeatedly for it.
sent with THE NAME ALLAH - MOON GOD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slLBam06iyg
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Translate that for me please i don't know Hebrew :
.... 2:33 ××'ר×"× ×"לך ×ל ×"×"ר ל×"קרי×' ×ת ישמע×ל ל×"×'×©×™× ×ת מ×" ש×ל ×לו×"×™× ×œ×• לעשות .......
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Makkah/Mecca established during prophet Ibraham time about 4000 years ago
Prophet Ibraham and his first born son Ishmael built Al Kaaba there in compliance with ALLAH orders! First prophet Abraham/Ibrahim (PBUH) went to Mecca and left his wife and his son Ishmael/Ismail (PBUH) in Mecca. Ishmael/Ismail and his mother founded Mecca.
At first there was no water and was only desert.
By ALLAH's POWER miraculously the ZamZam spring started with water and until now this spring is giving water.
Today Muslims drink this water as a holy water.
This water amazingly is different of all waters in the world.
Japanese professor Emoto did some research about this water and was amazed.
Does Jerusalem have such water? If not, why? Isn't it a chosen city?
LET YOUR CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS RESEARCH AND EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD WHEN THE ZAM-ZAM SPRING WATER START ! AND THAT WILL BE THE GREAT ANSWER TO YOUR KAFIR QUESTION "WAS MECCA ESTABLISHED " BEFORE 4TH CENTURY ? ZAM-ZAM-WATER IS THE ANSWER!
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[[[[Translate that for me please i don't know Hebrew :
.... 2:33 ××'ר×"× ×"לך ×ל ×"×"ר ל×"קרי×' ×ת ישמע×ל ל×"×'×©×™× ×ת מ×" ש×ל ×לו×"×™× ×œ×• לעשות .......]]]]]]
Sure, you don't know what it says. Taqiyyah comes pretty naturally to you doesn't it Tereeb?
2:33 Abraham went to the mountain to sacrifice Ishmael to fulfill what God asked him to do .......
Are you creating your own bible verses now like your famous Greek sophist styled lying antichrist Ahmed Deedat?
sent with Deedat - First Epistle of John confirms Mohammed was not antichrist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslsWDzPIc
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[[[[Makkah/Mecca established during prophet Ibraham time about 4000 years ago
Prophet Ibraham and his first born son Ishmael built Al Kaaba there in compliance with ALLAH orders! First prophet Abraham/Ibrahim (PBUH) went to Mecca and left his wife and his son Ishmael/Ismail (PBUH) in Mecca. Ishmael/Ismail and his mother founded Mecca.]]]]]
What is the source of this information.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
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ABOUT MY COMMENT ON THE FIG TREE PETEWALDO STILL SENDS ME HIS FILTHY MESSAGES TO MY YOUTUBE EMAIL HE IS COWARD TO DEBATE ON THE CHANNEL OF BROTHER BeholderGuard ........
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2839.msg11680#msg11680
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM.......... MY ANSWER TO HIM IS WITH CAPITAL LETTERS:
PeteWaldo:Jesus chastised the Pharisees for letting their tradition nullify scripture. (Muhammadans do even worse today, outright blaspheming scripture!). They rejected that Jesus is their Messiah so Judaism was not allowed to produce fruit beyond that point in history. NP333123:( THEN THAT MEANS GOD DID MISTAKE AND DID NOT KNOW THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WILL KILL HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON ? !
It was the sinful nature of mankind that killed Jesus.
It was you and I that killed Jesus.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PMPeteWaldo:Prior to the first century Judaism was a very proselytizing religion. CONT...
NP333123:( WHAT? JUDAISM? WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT THE RELIGION OF ADAM AND EVE, NOAH ,HEBER, ABRAHAM , MOSES , JESUS , ETC. ? DID JUDAH CREATE A NEW RELIGION CALLED JUDAISM? )
It is the religion of Yahweh's people of the old covenant as detailed in the scriptures, that revolved around their temple IN ZION that Yahweh had HIS people build.
It certainly has nothing to with the Quraish pagan's kaaba and black stone idol located 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PMPetewaldo:After the first century not at all, again proving the truth of Jesus' words. Today Jews compose just 2/10 of 1% of the world's population. NP333123: ( TODAY THEY STILL FIGHT WITH GOD AND TRY TO CHANGE GOD'S LAW AND CORRUPT IT THAT'S WHY GOD NAMED JACOB ISRAEL (THIS WHO FIGHT WITH GOD )!
This from a guy that prostrates himself 5 times a day to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca. Even travels to Mecca and marches around it 7 times as the Arabian pagans did.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael WERE NEVER WITHIN 1,000 KILOMETERS - of where Mecca was eventually built - 1500 years after they walked the earth. The archaeological and historical evidence tells us that Abraham's travels were in the fertile crescent.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm#abraham_journey THEN HOW KING DAVID WENT TO MECCA IT IS RECORDED IN YOUR CORRUPTED BIBLE I SHOW YOU THE PROOF !
King David was never within a thousand kilometers of Mecca, any more than Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael were. Any suggestion of such an absurd notion would have to come from the pure fiction of Muhammadan 7th-9th century created so-called "tradition".
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
That is a flat out ignorant and very foolish lie. The bible IS THE ONLY HISTORICAL BOOK we have of those times. It is ever-increasingly proven by the archaeological evidence to be a reliable record of ancient history.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2423.0 IF THE CORRUPTED BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL BOOK HOW YOU CLAIM THEN WHY IS NOT CLEAR IN YEARS AND DATES HOW I KNOW THE HISTORICAL BOOKS ARE SHOWING THE YEARS AND THE DATES ETC. ?
It is clear on many years in history. Here are some examples of dating of 2500 years ago.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
Calling your own false prophet a liar now. Muhammad said this in his early Mecca days, before the first word was written in Muhammadanism.
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/ BY GIVING ME EXAMPLES OUT OF CONTEXT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2854.msg11681#msg11681
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PMScribes scrupulously COPIED Scripture. They multiplied it. The later in time, the more copies there were. And in several languages so that they could be compared to each other.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm THAT WAS THE EAXCT TIME FOR THE CORRUPTION OF THE BIBLE TO PUT IN IT THAT WHAT THEY LIKE AND THAT WHAT THEY DON NOT LIKE TO THROW AWAY! HMMMMMMMM!
But to make the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel become the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it had been, would have required throwing out thousands of copies, in many languages, and starting from scratch, all over the known world, and making the new one UNIFORMLY the opposite, all over the known world. Quite a feat indeed! It would also have required throwing out the secular historical record of the crucifixion of the Messiah and recreating it as well.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
Yet Muhammadanism professes the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - beginning to end.
That's not the result of some minor scribal error, but concrete proof that Muhammadanism is a creation of Satan - the father of lies.
It was one of Satan's angels (Koine Greek "aggelos" means messenger - good or evil) that met Muhammad in that cave.( THE WHOLE SUBJECT ? WHAT WAS THE WHOLE SUBJECT OF JESUS TO COME TO SAVE THE WORLD OR LET WE SEE : (Matthew 15:24) ??????????????????????????????????????????
Yes. To save all that have been shown the truth, and believe IN Him.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Though those ignorant or mentally incapacitated are not condemned.
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
But those like you that blaspheme Jesus Christ and the Gospel will not be able to plead ignorance when you stand before the very Son of the Living God that you deny:
Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: THAT IS FOR YOU THE ZIONISTS, THE MASONS, THE FALSE FOLLOWERS OF THE TRUE MESSIAH JESUS WHO CHANGE THE WHOLE SUBJECT!
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/bible_manuscript_errors_.htm
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
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The reason you have to believe it is some sort of a mystery of the Quraish pagan's "Allah" (UNTIL TODAY THE CHRISTIAN ARABS ARE WORSHIPING IN THEIR BIBLE THE "QURAISH PAGAN'S ALLAH " BY PRAYING TO HIM EVERY DAY )
That is a tragic error. I trust as we go further into this information age Arabic speaking people will increasingly understand the error of their ways.
But the fact remains that just because a bunch of Arabs get YHWH - Yahweh's - name wrong doesn't change His name as it occurs nearly 7,000 times in Holy Scripture.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PMis because the nonsense in the Quran and Hadith are PROVABLY PURE LIES because they ARE HISTORICAL AND GEOGRAPHICAL IMPOSSIBILITIES. (THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE SCIENTIFIC WORLD IS AMAZED BY THE NOBEL QUR'AN AND NOT WITH THE BIBLE) !
And here I thought the "whole scientific world" were largely atheist and agnostic. I didn't know they were all Muslims!
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PMNor is there any archaeological evidence to support that ridiculous tripe. That's why you can't explain it but instead have to make the ridiculous statement "ALLAH'S JOB HE WILL EXPLAIN IT", to explain the IMPOSSIBILITY OF ISLAM. (YES ALLAH WILL EXPLAIN TO YOU )! BUT JESUS CAN NOT EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT KIND OF GOD IS HE WHEN HE CAN NOT CONTROL HIS ANGER AND RIGHT A WAY CURSES THE INNOSENT FIG TREE ........
That's the trouble when a natural man tries to understand the things of the Spirit of God. First off, since literal fig trees don't have souls or consciences they can't be innocent or guilty. Second this is a reference to Yahweh's people as defined earlier in scripture.
Hsa 9:10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness;
I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: [but] they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto [that] shame; and [their] abominations were according as they loved.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=493.0
Jesus spoke this parable indicating that the fig tree would not proselytize in the future, as I explained earlier - and it hasn't - just as Jesus said it wouldn't.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM......... AND DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IS NOT THE SEASON OF THE FIGS ?! YOU SHOULD CORRUPT THE BIBLE ONE MORE TIME TO ERASE ALL THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IN OUR FAVOUR !
What you mean is corrupt it, to remove the things "IN FAVOR" of the Quraish pagan Mecca centered black stone idol worship that came along 6 CENTURIES LATER in the SW Arabian desert, when Muhammad incorporated Quraish paganism into his cult?
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
THE TRUTH is that YOU CANNOT DENY that the Kaaba, and all your foolish rituals and black stone idol veneration, are ALL FROM QURAISH PAGANISM. Whether the moon, sun and star worship rituals of the Hajj, or the recycled jinn devil worship of the Sa'ee of the Umrah. THE NOBEL QUR'AN IS 100% VERY CLEAR WHAT IS WRITTEN IN IT THAT YOUR CLAIM IS JUST YOUR OWN SCHIZOPHRENIC FABRICATION !
That the Quraish circumambulated the Kaaba 7 times in moon, sun, and star worship is a historical matter of fact. That they ran back and forth between SAfa and Marwah 7 times in jinn-devil worship is a matter of historical fact. That the Sabians prayed 5 times a day, performed ablution, prostrated in prayer, wore long white robes, and fasted during the same month as Ramadan in Arabian moon worship is a historical matter of fact.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM
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Another lie. Baca of scripture is a valley near ZION. ( THAT IS YOUR LIE) ! "Baca" is a HEBREW name from antiquity that does not occur in the ARABIC Quran. In fact Arabic is such a new language( A NEW LANGUAGE )? that it wasn't even a written language before about the 3rd century AD.( THAT IS RIGHT ARABIC ABJAD IS FROM 400 AD AND THE PARENT SYSTEMS ARE : EGYPTIAN HIEROGLIPHS, PROTO-SINATIC, PHOENICIAN, ARAMAIC, SYRIAC, NABATAEAN, ARABIC ABJAD. BUT WHAT THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACTS THAT THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT KING DAVID WAS IN MECCA/ .......
Interesting, since Mecca didn't even exist until the 4th century AD.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1138.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1132.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM....... BACCA AND YOU KNOW THE REST. TODAY HEBREW IS FROM PALEO-HEBREW ALPHABET
( YOU REALLY MUST EDUCATE YOUR SELF ABOUT ALL SEMITIC LANGUAGES ARAMAIC, HEBREW, ARABIC ( WHAT LANGUAGE ABRAHAM SPOKE WITH HIS FIRST BORN SON ISHMAEL IF ARABIC IS SO NEW LANGUAGE ACCORDING TO YOU , ......
But you yourself admitted that it is a new language that wasn't even written until the 4th century AD. Yet you are trying to tell us that Abraham spoke in the tongue of the Quraish pagans over a thousand years before the language was invented.
Quote from: Peter on November 05, 2011, 03:44:43 PM........ ISN'T ISHMAEL A SEMITIC HEBREW FROM HIS FATHER DIDN'T HE SPEAK HEBREW, ARAMAIC, ARABIC AT THAT TIME ? ) ETC. AND YOU MUST KNOW HOW THE PHOENICIAN AND PROTO- SINAITIC PLAYED BIG ROLE FOR ALL ALPHABETS IN THE WHOLE HUMAN WORLD !
But Arabic only in Arabian paganism. The pop Quraish Arabic has nothing whatsoever to do with Scripture.
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AM
At first there was no water and was only desert.
Perhaps not until Muhammad's grandfather dug the well of Zamzam to establish a Hajj (pagan carnival) around idols of the most venerated priest and priestess - Asaf and Naelah - of the Arabian jinn-devil religion. The pagan tradition said that they fornicated inside the Kaaba and the pagan's "Allah" turned them into stone.
It is Islamic history that tells us that the well of Zamzam was dug by Mohammed's grandfather Abdel Mutaleb. (Ibn Hisham, I, pages 117 and 118)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1209.0
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AM
By ALLAH's POWER miraculously the ZamZam spring started with water and until now this spring is giving water.
First off it's
A WELL - not a spring. Secondly, most wells around the world never dry up. Third, the static head of the well of Zamzam is 3.23 m. That is to say the water level is about 10.6 ft down in the ground.
We might be a little more impressed if it flowed forth like this artisian well in Oklahoma that yields about 4-500 gallons per minute.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2026.msg8537#msg8537
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AM
Today Muslims drink this water as a holy water.
Muslims consider that well water holy because Muslims are children of the flesh, and follow the pagan's "Allah" and primitive Arabian superstitions and pagan rituals, instead of following Yahweh through His Word.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2771.0
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AM
This water amazingly is different of all waters in the world.
Japanese professor Emoto did some research about this water and was amazed.
Amazed at what? That the water tastes funny and contains:
* Sodium 133 mg/L
* Calcium 96 mg/L
* Magnesium 38.88 mg/L
* Potassium 43.3 mg/L
* Bicarbonate 195.4 mg/L
* Chloride 163.3 mg/L
* Fluoride 0.72 mg/L
* Nitrate 124.8 mg/L
* Sulfate 124.0 mg/L
* pH 8
* Total dissolve alkalinity 835 mg/L
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1168.msg8532#msg8532
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AM
Does Jerusalem have such water?
It's called the Gihon Spring, and it ACTUALLY IS A SPRING, not just a hole in the ground like Zamzam that Muhammad's grandfather dug.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/jerwater.html
"The City of David was built on a hill of hard limestone, in which underground water created karstic caves. The Gihon Spring, the only source of water of the city, emerges in the Kidron Valley, east of the City of David. It is mentioned many times in the Bible, e.g., its location in the valley east of the city (II Chronicles 33:14); the anointing of Solomon as King of Israel (I Kings 1:35, 45). It made the founding of the City of David possible, and sustained its existence for thousands of years. The Hebrew name of the spring is derived from the verb meaning "to gush forth," reflecting the flow of the spring, which is not steady, but intermittent, its frequency varying with the seasons of the year and annual precipitation. It is a siphon-type karst spring fed by groundwater that accumulates in a subterranean cave. Each time that space fills to the brim, it empties at once through cracks in the rock and is siphoned to the surface. This natural feature made it necessary to accumulate water in a pool, to be available at times when the spring was not "gushing forth.""
But to Jews and Christians it's just water, not magic from the Arabian pagan's "Allah".
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AMIf not, why? Isn't it a chosen city?
LET YOUR CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS RESEARCH AND EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD WHEN THE ZAM-ZAM SPRING WATER START !
The Islamic historical record already explained that. When Muhammad's grandfather dug it in the 6th century AD.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1209.0
Quote from: Peter on November 06, 2011, 05:13:17 AMAND THAT WILL BE THE GREAT ANSWER TO YOUR KAFIR QUESTION "WAS MECCA ESTABLISHED " BEFORE 4TH CENTURY ? ZAM-ZAM-WATER IS THE ANSWER!
Zamzam is just a well with a dumb name my friend, and dug by Muhammad's grandfather, thousands of years after the spring in Jerusalem had been gushing forth.
Yet you suggest that the existence of a simple water well, somehow substitutes for thousands of years of historical and archaeological record of Mecca, prior to the 4th century AD when the actual historical record tells us that pagan immigrants from Yemen settled the area.
Don't even you find your suggestion, that it somehow creates a pre 4th century historical and archaeological record of Mecca from thin air, a little peculiar?
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It is not from the Bible ask the Jews why they hide this book from the Christians !
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@PETEWALDO:
WE WILL ALLOW THE KAFIR SCIENTISTS TO COME TO MECCA WITH THEIR MODERN TECHNOLOGY AND TO EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD WHEN THE ZAM-ZAM WATER SPRING START AND IF THEY CONFIRM THAT WAS THE EXACT TIME WHEN ISHMAEL/ISMAIL AND HIS MOTHER HAGER WERE THERE (A LONG BEFORE 4TH CENTURY) HOW THE NOBEL QUR'AN TELLS US THEN YOU MUST ACCEPT ISLAM 100% ! AND ALL YOUR FABRICATIONS WILL GO TO HELL! INSHA ALLAH !
LET YOUR CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS RESEARCH AND EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD WHEN THE ZAM-ZAM SPRING WATER START ! AND THAT WILL BE THE GREAT ANSWER TO YOUR KAFIR QUESTION "WAS MECCA ESTABLISHED " BEFORE 4TH CENTURY ? ZAM-ZAM-WATER IS THE ANSWER!
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[[[[Makkah/Mecca established during prophet Ibraham time about 4000 years ago
Prophet Ibraham and his first born son Ishmael built Al Kaaba there in compliance with ALLAH orders! First prophet Abraham/Ibrahim (PBUH) went to Mecca and left his wife and his son Ishmael/Ismail (PBUH) in Mecca. Ishmael/Ismail and his mother founded Mecca.]]]]]
What is the source of this information.
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You replied.
[[[[[It is not from the Bible ask the Jews why they hide this book from the Christians!]]]]]
It's true it isn't from the bible. But I didn't ask where it ISN'T FROM. I asked you where IT IS FROM.
What source did you get the above claims from?
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Cat got your tongue? Let me help.
Let's try Wikipedia since it's about the same as the other Muhammadan accounts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael#Ishmael_in_Muslim_literature
"In Islamic tradition, Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael to the desert himself, where he left them and returned to his household."
So Abraham left his wife Sarah and son Isaac at their home in Hebron, and wandered 1200 kilometers across harsh barren desert to Mecca with Sarah's bondwoman Hagar and her son Ishmael, and then turned around and wandered across the 1200 kilometers of harsh barren desert back home.
Is that about the size of it?
"In the desert, the young Ishmael cried with thirst.[23] His mother searched for water, which resulted in her running seven times between the Safa and Marwah hills, before God helped them by making spring water gush forth from the Zamzam well, so both mother and son could rejuvenate themselves."
So then Ishmael didn't get thirsty, until Abraham, Ishmael and Hagar had wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh Arabian desert, and arrived in Mecca?
Does that make sense to you?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2854.msg11690#msg11690
sent with ISHMAEL, HAGAR, PARAN & MECCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
11-6
Isaiah 29 : 11-12
ISN'T THAT FOR THE LAST PROPHET MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.)?
WHAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.) SAID TO ANGEL GABRIEL WHEN HE ASKED HIM TO READ " IQRA YA MUHAMMAD IQRA "( READ MUHAMMAD READ ) AND MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.)
SAID I CAN NOT READ!
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Wait a minute my friend. You made the scripture contrary claim that:
[[[[Makkah/Mecca established during prophet Ibraham time about 4000 years ago
Prophet Ibraham and his first born son Ishmael built Al Kaaba there in compliance with ALLAH orders! First prophet Abraham/Ibrahim (PBUH) went to Mecca and left his wife and his son Ishmael/Ismail (PBUH) in Mecca. Ishmael/Ismail and his mother founded Mecca.]]]]]
When I asked: "What is the source of this information."
You replied: "It is not from the Bible ask the Jews why they hide this book from the Christians!"
And since there is no question it isn't from the bible I asked: "It's true it isn't from the bible. But I didn't ask where it ISN'T FROM. I asked you where IT IS FROM.
What source did you get the above claims from?"
In answer to that - after just having told me the bible was not the source - you turned around and quoted a random unrelated verse out of the bible, as if you got the story from the bible, which only added another false claim.
Please answer the question. What is the source that you got the above quoted information on Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael from, that is so contrary to scripture, history, archaeology and geography?
11-6
[[[[Here np confides in me about a secret book of Isaiah that a Rabbi told him about, but he doesn't want it to get back to the Rabbi that he told anybody about it. So I didn't copy and paste the PM, but gave a rundown of it's content.]]]]
Sure. A "secret" book of Isaiah runs that exactly contrary to SCRIPTURE, history, archaeology and geography, that has Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael wandering 1200 kilometers to Mecca. Makes perfect sense doesn't it?
But that nonsense still didn't answer the question.
What is the source that YOU got YOUR information on Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael from, that is so contrary to scripture, history, archaeology and geography?
I detailed the Muhammadan account of things in the other PM. Please respond to it.
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We will see who is right and who is wrong! I am based on real facts! You are based on forgery! What do you think about ZAM-ZAM water? Did the spring exist before Abraham or it miraculously appears to Hagar and Ishmael at that time how it is said in the Nobel Qur'an? There is way we to find the exact age of this well! And then what you gonna say ?
The Miracle of Zamzam Well
According to Arab historians, the Zamzam Well, except for a few periods when it became dry or was buried under sand, has been in use for around 4000 years. The well marks the site of a spring that, miraculously , had issued forth from a barren and desolate wadi (non perennial stream) where the Prophet Ibrahim (Peace be upon him-pbuh), under Allah's command, had left his wife Hajar and their infant son Ismail (pbuh). In her desperate search for water, Hajar ran seven times back and forth in the scorching heat between the two hills of Safa and Marwa to provide water for Ismail (pbuh), who was dying of thirst. Allah, in His mercy, sent the Angel Gabriel, who scraped the ground, causing the spring to appear. On finding the spring, and fearing that it might run out of water, Hajar enclosed it in sand and stones. The name Zamzam originates from the phrase Zomë Zomë, meaning 'stop flowing', a command repeated by Hajar during her attempt to contain the spring water. The area around the spring, which was later converted to a well, became a resting place for caravans, and eventually grew into the trading city of Makkah, birthplace of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) later returned to rebuild the first Bait-ul-Allah (House of Allah), originally build by Adam (pbuh). Because of its square shape, it is called The Ka'ba. It is the holiest Muslim shrine. The Ka'ba now stands in the center of the Holy Mosque, also called Al-Haram. The Zamzam well is located within the Holy Mosque at about 20 m east of the Ka'ba.
All able-bodied Muslims with sufficient financial means are obliged to make the pilgrimage to Makkah, known as the Hajj, at least once in lifetime. During the Hajj, pilgrims perform a number of rituals in the Al-Haram and outside Makkah at Muna, Arafat, and Muzdalifa. One of the rituals known as the Umrah, includes Tawaf (seven times circling) of Ka'ba and Sai between the hills of Safa and Marwa, which is to re-enact Hajar's search for water Umrah can be performed at any time of the year. Millions of Umrah pilgrims visit Makkah throughout the year, the peak season being the month of Ramadan. Muslims drink Zamzam water during their visit and also carry it back home.
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I answered to the well of Zamzam here with lots of supporting links.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2839.60
"According to Arab historians, the Zamzam Well, except for a few periods when it became dry or was buried under sand, has been in use for around 4000 years."
The article calls them "historians", but what reference did they use, to know what went on 4000 years ago. If you cannot answer that question, all your Islamic so-called "tradition" - 7th to 10th century fiction - goes right out the window.
But you didn't answer my PM. Let me ask again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael#Ishmael_in_Muslim_literature
"In Islamic tradition, Abraham took Hagar and Ishmael to the desert himself, where he left them and returned to his household."
So according to "Muslim literature" Abraham left his wife Sarah and son Isaac at their home in Hebron, and wandered 1200 kilometers across harsh barren desert to Mecca with Sarah's bondwoman Hagar and her son Ishmael, and then turned around and wandered back across the 1200 kilometers of harsh barren desert back to Hebron.
Is that about the size of it?
"In the desert, the young Ishmael cried with thirst.[23] His mother searched for water, which resulted in her running seven times between the Safa and Marwah hills, before God helped them by making spring water gush forth from the Zamzam well, so both mother and son could rejuvenate themselves."
So then Ishmael didn't get thirsty, until after Abraham, Ishmael and Hagar had wandered across 1200 kilometers of harsh Arabian desert, and arrived in Mecca?
Does that make sense to you?
If you cannot provide sensible answers to those two points, your false prophets STAND-ALONE phony 23 year 7th century record goes up in smoke, yielding to the sound RECORD of Scripture, that makes perfect historical and geographical sense, and is confirmed by archaeological EVIDENCE.
sent with ISHMAEL, HAGAR, PARAN & MECCA (+pics)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh5E--IlCKk
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np33 didn't respond to the PM on those 2 occasions it was sent to him for obvious reasons. The whole story of Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael in 8th to 10th century Muhammadan "tradition" is because that pure fiction is absolutely preposterous.
But a little while later np, instead, put in beholderguard's channel comments:
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np33123 (3 hours ago)
PeteWaldo stop send me your garbage to my YouTube email debate me here on this channel!
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To which I replied by PM
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You wrote on beholderguard's channel
[[[[np33123 (3 hours ago)
Spam
PeteWaldo stop send me your garbage to my YouTube email debate me here on this channel! ]]]]
But I already told you that beholderguard removed my post and banned me, because spiritual darkness can't stand truth. He didn't want people in those comments to see the thread that he started in the forum that I pasted the link to because he's a coward.
If you have been watching, he has been removing other peoples work, and banning them too. Why would you make a request of anybody to have their time wasted like that?
His behavior is so erratic it's my guess he's a drunk.
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Followed by:
This was the post I put in beholderguard's channel that he removed followed by their two comments, and a little later on your comment. How didn't you know I was banned when you were partly responsible?
Please read my comment, and tell me why it deserved to be removed, and if it was a legitimate reason for banning me.
PeteWaldo
Hi BeholderGuard and thank you for joining the Islam-Christian Forum! I look forward to being able to engage in thoughtful and well organized chats there, rather than these rapidly revolving 500 character channel comment bits and pieces. I started a thread with some suggestions for our discussions. I look forward to chatting with you there!
PeteWaldo
Simply copy and paste the following URL, then remove the spaces from after the two dots, and press your enter key.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=2830.0
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But later on it was removed and greeted with the following comments
friendofutube2009
Warning to all brothers:
Me and brother np33123 have debated with this pagan PeteWaldo long time back. He's not one person, worse his posts are written by some kind of robot or machine. He doesn't reply point-by-point. No amount of truth can make this guy (actually a team of hasbarat) to wake up. You're wasting your time if you discuss with him. LAST WARNING: never join his forum - it could be laden with self-exploding malaware and other infectious scripts designed to take over your computer and steal whatever private files you have. The least he can do is immobilize your PC with rootkits, viruses, etc.
Am requesting brother BeholderGuard to block this LIAR ASAP...
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BeholderGuard
Besm Ellah El Rahman El Raheem
RE: friendofutube2009
Done already akhi :)
Ignored, deleted, and blocked
I will unjoin that forum now
Alhamdoulellah, I used security software which is almost impossible to breach
Nd of course I used different passwords for each site separately :)
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Then later on you chimed in:
np33123 (8 hours ago)
@ friendofutube2009 Wa Alaikumis Salaam Akhi . Pagan PeteWaldo is a real Satanist Azazil/Iblis is talking from his mouth , he is making tricky explanations of the corrupted Bible and he can not see how ridiculous he is .
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All I see in all 3 comments, to my perfectly friendly and civil post, is sheer terror of truth.