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I'd like to point out to all of you that I very seriously doubt that a "Muslim" wrote that article about quran aledgelly being the 666.
If he was a Muslim then he has a wrote in error about a topic in which he knows nothing about.
Muhammad is not the antichrist/beast/666. I can provide irrefutable evidence to prove his innocence of being called antichrist/beast/666.
[Edit add 5-1-13: this post was split off of the Islam, Quran & 666 thread at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1308.0 - end edit]
High azeez and welcome to the forum!
Quote from: azeezabdullah11 on May 04, 2013, 02:01:52 PM
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I'd like to point out to all of you that I very seriously doubt that a "Muslim" wrote that article about quran aledgelly being the 666.
I realize it is not the view of most mainstream Muslims, but it is the view of an Islamic cult ("Submitters" or "Submission Sect") that - as near as I can discern - follow the gematria of a guy named Rashid Khalifa who was
widely celebrated throughout the Muslim world back in the early 70s for a computer generated gematria that he claimed proved the Quran and Muhammad, as the OP explains. Please click on this link (http://web.archive.org/web/20080118111258/http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm) - or here (http://web.archive.org/web/20080105022754/http://www.66619.org/)
Though I do sometimes wonder if this 666 relationship might then make it a warning for Jews, Christians
and Muslims such as yourself that don't hold it, but can see that those Muslims do mark the Quran and Muhammad with the number 666.
However in any event I don't view it as anything more than anecdotal and more of a distraction from what is important. There is much more convincing evidence than that, such as Muhammad's proclaiming the
exact opposite of the
whole subject (http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm) of the Gospel.
Quote from: azeezabdullah11 on May 04, 2013, 02:01:52 PMIf he was a Muslim then he has a wrote in error about a topic in which he knows nothing about.
Muhammad is not the antichrist/beast/666. I can provide irrefutable evidence to prove his innocence of being called antichrist/beast/666.
Azeez, it's going to be pretty difficult to produce "irrefutable evidence" to prove that Muhammad and Islam are not antichrist, when we can confirm it in just a couple of verses. Let's turn to our books:
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The
Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the
Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say.
Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm
Please correct if they were wrong, but several Muslims have told me, as do many Islamic websites (http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3344.0), that for a Muslim
to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even to pray in Jesus' name, would be to commit the single most egregious - and only unforgivable sin ("shirk") - in Islam.
Yet: 1John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.At the following link is a video of the famous Greek sophist styled entertainer and lying deceiver Ahmed Deedat, in the act of fooling a lot of poor sorely deluded scripture-ignorant Muslims. Besides creating a fictional bible verse (and repeating it in other venues), Deedat was apparently unable to even tell the difference, between a test of spirits and a test of persons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0
Regarding Muhammad's Islamic kingdom as the "beast" of Revelation 13, you would need some knowledge of scripture, as well as willingness to apply hermeneutic discipline to study, in order to be able to see that. I can walk you through it if you like.
Again, welcome to the forum, my friend!
[edit add 5-8 topic merged with Azeez's other post to avoid redundancy.]
Quote from: azeezabdullah11 on May 05, 2013, 03:50:38 AM
Dear Sunwalker,
The term "seal of the prophets/messengers" is not an easy thing to understand by itself. You need to understand the concept of what the term refers to.
Let me explain the concept.
There are two words that are not translated into English from the quran "Islam and Muslim"
The word Islam is an arabic verb that roughly means "obedience to God's laws sent to mankind via God's messengers"
In English when someone walks they're a WALKER. Someone that sings is a SINGER. you add -ER to the verb to tell when someone is doing an action.
In arabic you move the first vowel to where the second one is "slim" and you add MU- to the beginning of the word.
With that grammar lesson in mind the word MUSLIM means "someone that obeys God's laws he sent to mankind via his prophets".
But unfortunately Azeez that is untrue since Muhammad proclaimed the
exact opposite of the
whole subject of the Gospel - indeed the whole bible. Therefore, tragically,
you follow and obey Muhammad alone.
(Book #18, Hadith #154) The Prophet then said, "
O followers of Muhammad! By Allah!
For example, can you make a list of all the reasons Muhammad's followers kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone.
Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Book #26, Hadith #667)
It is the same list of reasons you follow Muhammad's
stand-alone 23 year 7th century record, and therefore must reject the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind, as revealed through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants, for 3500 years. Including Jesus own prophesies of His crucifixion, death and resurrection:
Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall
condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and
to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.
After it was fulfilled:
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things
must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and
[in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to
rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
So what prophecy was "written in the Psalms" that Jesus was making reference to? Please click here:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
You see Azeez, remission of sin through blood atonement is what the revelation of the one true God YHWH to mankind is all about, Old Testament or New:
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls:
for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
As fulfilled through the one perfect sacrifice of the sinless Messiah, Yeshua, the Lamb of God. The fulfillment of the old covenant and beginning of the new covenant He ushered in with His kingdom.
Quote from: azeezabdullah11 on May 05, 2013, 03:50:38 AM
Muhammad seal of prophets means that the concept of islam (obedience to God's laws sent to mankind via the prophets) that started with Adam and was progressively taught through all the prophets (Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, Jesus (to name a few)) was finalized an made fruitful in Muhammad's ministry.
Surely now you can see how empty your own words are, when you must reject Jesus' own prophecies and reject the whole subject of the Gospel - the whole bible, and all of the prophets and witnesses that were inspired to proclaim it. For heaven's sakes Azeez, Muhammad even switched your "holy" day from the Sabbath to Friday, and your quibla from facing Jerusalem to facing the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in the kaaba in Mecca, after the Hijra, so you don't even follow the old covenant laws. You begin by breaking the Sabbath!
[edit add 5-6: The following was included in this post prior to my moving it so it may look out of place. end edit]
QuoteAzeez, you will not be well served by spending your time chatting in this thread, that was started by a guy that perhaps even you can see has created his own, unique, one-off, extra-scriptural theology.
In your introductory post you promised to "provide irrefutable evidence to prove" that Muhammad and Islam are not antichrist. I offered you a reply, and was awaiting your response, but instead you posted here. Could we resume our chat there?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1308.msg14936#msg14936
Since this is pretty much unrelated to what the content of this thread has become, I can split this post off and we can pursue these subjects separately, as well. I would hope you would agree that it is more important that we begin with the fundamentals of our respective religions, before we wander off into lessons in the linguistics of the Arabic language (http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2561.0).
I split this post out and moved it to this Islam section for your convenience Azeez.
Reply to understanding Moslems
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AM
Azeez that is untrue since Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel - indeed the whole bible.
I beg to differ Pete.
Let me start by asking you a question.
What problem was God continuously having with the children of Israel?
Surely you aught to know the answer to this question.
After I wrote this post I merged the two threads together to avoid redundancy and keep things in view.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 08, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Reply to understanding Moslems
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AM
Azeez that is untrue since Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel - indeed the whole bible.
I beg to differ Pete.
Let me start by asking you a question.
What problem was God continuously having with the children of Israel?
Surely you aught to know the answer to this question.
Asking an unrelated question won't change the fact that Muhammad proclaimed the
exact opposite, of the
whole subject of the Gospel, Azeez.
Surah 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-
but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow,
for of a surety they killed him not:-
Seems more of a transparent effort to change the subject. The
whole subject of the Gospel is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, who saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood. The fulfillment of the old covenant.
There has not been a single Christian throughout nearly 2,000 years, that has not believed Jesus was sacrificed and died to save all from sin.
Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
THAT is the
WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
As proclaimed by His witnesses:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0
And as prophesied by Jesus Himself:
Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and
they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge,
and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.
Jesus confirmed it after it was fulfilled:
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things
must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
So what prophecy was "written in the Psalms" that Jesus was making reference to?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
As you can see Azeez, either Muhammad was a false prophet or Jesus is and all of the prophets and witnesses of the Gospel are false. One must choose between the 1600 year record of the ONE true God YHWH to mankind, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, or Muhammad ALONE through his STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record.
Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Not to mention 1 John 2:22 - Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
I wasn't changing the subject. My question is revelant. Answer the question and I'll show you how it's revelant. Trust me.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 02:43:36 AM
I wasn't changing the subject. My question is revelant. Answer the question and I'll show you how it's revelant. Trust me.
OK
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 08, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AM
Azeez that is untrue since Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel - indeed the whole bible.
I beg to differ Pete.
Let me start by asking you a question.
What problem was God continuously having with the children of Israel?
Same as Adam and Eve -
disobedience. Like venerating a golden calf. That's why God offered a way to atone for sin.
Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls:
for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
You see? Everything leads us back to the cross my friend, and faith in the shed blood of the perfect sacrifice of the sinless lamb of God.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
To atone for disobedience, like Muhammad's followers prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen".
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Even traveling to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol and marching around it 7 times as the Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worshipers did, and kissing it as Muhammad did.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm
(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/42553621_mashaalap416.jpg)
1Cr 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
The Israelites could not keep the old covenant so the Messiah ushered in the new covenant as prophesied by Jeremiah during the old covenant:
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that
I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33
But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
That's what being born again is all about. You indicated in a PM you believe you had been a Christian, but if you had been born again and the law had been written in your inward parts, it wouldn't have allowed you to prostrate yourself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day. Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, would not have allowed you to follow the false prophet Muhammad.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
So you see it isn't possible for the elect to be deceived by false prophets. You only deceived yourself into believing you had ever been a Christian.
Which brings us to a request I made earlier:
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AMFor example, can you make a list of all the reasons Muhammad's followers kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: 'Umar came near the Black stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." (Book #26, Hadith #667)
Isn't that list the same as all the reasons you reject all of the prophets and witnesses in the Gospel? That list being
because you follow Muhammad alone, through his 23 year 7th century record that
proclaims the exact opposite of the
whole subject of the Gospel.Matthew 27:35 And
they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They
parted my garments among them, and
upon my vesture did they cast lots.Mark 15:24 And
when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary,
there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And
they parted his raiment, and cast lots.John 19:23 Then the soldiers,
when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but
cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
Just as prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance, and before crucifixion was ever even invented:
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me:
they pierced my hands and my feet. 17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me. 18
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm
The following is from the same First Epistle of John that the famous Greek sophist styled entertainer, and lying antichrist Ahmed Deedat, cited to deceive his bible-ignorant followers into believing that Muhammad was a true prophet and not antichrist:
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not
God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0
Lets explore my conversion story and let's examine the reasons I left christianity.
I converted to Christianity in 2006.
In 2009 God showed me a vision in which he showed me a family working all their life to achieve heaven and when they arrived at heavens gates they were turned away because the religious beliefs they held on to where not true.
After that he told me to question my beliefs and search out the truth.
He quoted the Quran 2:257 "Truth stands out distinct from error".
I went on a two year quest learning every religion connected to Jesus Christ by studying their respected sources of doctrine. All Christian based religions were defeatable. Islam has proven itself undefeatable.
Before you try to mow down my words with your biased-ness consider the words of the following article
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?id=119792&page=articles
Allaah the All-Mighty Says (what means): "This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.†[Quran 5:3]
This was one of the last verses revealed chronologically to Prophet Muhammad , marking the completion of the Quran and the perfection of Islam. Islam is complete and perfect and is not thereafter susceptible to addition or abrogation. Being eternal and universal, the Islamic Law, which was made by God (Allaah) Himself, Who knows what is best for us under all circumstances, is resilient and adjustable to the changing conditions of time and place.
The perfection of Islam is manifest in the fact that God (Allaah) has made it reign supreme and prevail over other religions. Allaah’s favor upon the Muslims is manifest in the fact that He granted them true guidance, support and honor in this world and in the Hereafter. He has also chosen for them Islam as their religion because it is the Truth, and it is for this reason that He will not accept any other religion but Islam.
The Quran says (what means): "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the losers.†[Quran 3:85].
Islam gives its followers happiness in this world and eternal bliss in the life to come. Islam simply means total submission to the Will of Allaah. Therefore, it is the same in essence, whether given to Nooh (Noah), Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosaa (Moses), 'Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt their mention, or to Muhammad . For the message it calls to is the same, and the source of unity is the revelation from Allaah (which means): "He has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He enjoined on Noah, and that which We have revealed to you, and which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses and Jesus: namely that you should remain steadfast in religion and be not divided therein.†[Quran 42:13]
After the corruption of the older Scriptures, the Quran came with a twofold purpose -- to confirm the true and original message of Islam, and to stand as a witness to it, by confirming the truth and rejecting the falsehood, which over time came into the older Scriptures. Muslims are required to believe in the revealed Scriptures and to make no distinction between any of them, or the Messengers who brought them, may Allaah exalt their mention, because they all come from the One True God.
The Quran says (what means): "Say (O Muhammad to the Jews and Christians): 'We believe in Allaah and that which has been sent to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and to Al-Asbat, (the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob) and that which has been given to Moses and Jesus, and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).†[Quran 2:136]
These Scriptures have not been retained in their original form, due to the human omissions and additions that have crept into them. The Quran is the only Divine Scripture, which has stood the test of time without any change, because it is the Truth from God (Allaah), and the Truth never fades or diminishes. The Quran says (what means): "That which We have revealed to you (O Muhammad) of the Book (i.e., the Quran) is the Truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it.†[Quran 35:31]
The Truth contained in the Quran will never be compromised because Allaah has taken upon Himself the responsibility of preserving it, as stated in the Quran (which means): "Verily We have sent the Reminder (i.e., the Quran), and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).†[Quran 15:9]
And also (what means): "Verily, it is an honorable well-fortified book of exalted power (because it is Allaah's Speech, and He has protected it from corruption). No falsehood can approach it from before or after it: it is sent down by the All-Wise, Worthy of all praise.†[Quran 41:41-42]
The revealed Scriptures before the advent of Prophet Muhammad such as the Torah and the Injeel, were written long after the demise of the Prophets to whom they were revealed. The entire Quran, on the contrary, was completely written in the lifetime of the Prophet on pieces of palm trees, parchments and bones. Besides, tens of thousands of the Prophet's Companions committed it to memory while it was being revealed.
The Quran is still memorized and read in its original language
(Arabic) and taught to millions of people around the world. In fact, with every succeeding generation of Muslims, the number of those who have committed the entire Quran to memory has increased. There is no other book, religious or otherwise, which has been given this unparalleled care in recorded history.
The care with which the unadulterated teachings of Islam have been authentically recorded and preserved throughout the ages, is a clear evidence of the universality of the message of Islam and the finality of the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad . The Quran is now available in its original form without change of any kind. The perfect preservation of the Quran signifies the preservation of Islam.
That is why Allaah Says in the Quran (what means): "Verily the only acceptable religion to Allaah is Islam." [Quran 3:19]
Oneness of the Lord
Islam calls to the belief that the Creator of the universe is One and Unique without any partners. His nature is so sublime that it is far beyond our limited conceptions. He is not a mere abstract of philosophy. All the creatures testify to His Existence, and none is comparable to Him. The unity of design and the fundamental facts of creation and existence of the universe proclaim His Oneness.
He is Eternal, without beginning or end, the Absolute, Who is not limited by time or place or circumstance. He is the Creator, the Sustainer and the Planner of the whole universe. None has the right to be worshipped except Him. He has the most Beautiful Names and the Loftiest Attributes. His Knowledge extends to everything seen and unseen, present and future, near and far. His Grace and Mercy are unbounded. He is the All Mighty, the All Wise.
The Quran says (what means): "Say: 'He is Allaah, the One; Allaah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; and there is none equal or comparable to Him.†[Quran 112:1-4]
And also (what means): "There is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing.†[Quran 42:11]
And also (what means): "He is the First (nothing is before Him), the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He has full knowledge of all things.†[Quran 57:3]
And also (what means): "He is Allaah, besides Whom none has the right to be worshipped, the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He is Allaah besides Whom none has the right to be worshipped, the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allaah! (High is He) above what they associate as partners with Him. He is Allaah, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is All-Mighty, the All-Wise.†[Quran 59:23-24]
And also (what means): "And they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified! (For He is) above what they attribute to Him! He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have a son when He has no wife? He created all things, and He has full knowledge of everything. Such is Allaah, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone). And He has the power to dispose of all affairs. No vision can grasp Him, but His Grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Subtle, Well-Aware.†[Quran 6:100-103]
Tawheed, or monotheism, constitutes the essence of the teachings of Islam. It signifies that there is One Supreme Lord of the universe. He is Omnipotent and the Sustainer of the world and humankind. Unity pervades the whole universe. All of Allaah's creatures testify to His Oneness. This can be seen in their complete submission to His Will.
The perpetual succession of day and night in the most orderly manner; the fixed course of the sun and the moon; the mighty stars; the ceaseless alternation of the seasons -- the functioning of the whole universe including its most subtle elements in a most precise and systematic manner tell us about the Wisdom, Power, Greatness and Divine skill of this Great Creator, Who is Allaah.
PeteWaldo. Have you ever considered the possibility that you may be wrong? Would you be sorely disappointed if you got to heaven and they turned you down because you loved not the truth??
All I want is the truth. Truth will always prove itself to be true.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM
Lets explore my conversion story and let's examine the reasons I left christianity.
I converted to Christianity in 2006.
In 2009 God showed me a vision in which he showed me a family working all their life to achieve heaven and when they arrived at heavens gates they were turned away because the religious beliefs they held on to where not true.
After that he told me to question my beliefs and search out the truth.
He quoted the Quran 2:257 "Truth stands out distinct from error".
I went on a two year quest learning every religion connected to Jesus Christ by studying their respected sources of doctrine. All Christian based religions were defeatable. Islam has proven itself undefeatable.
Azeez, how do you know that it was God that showed you the vision, and not Satan, since Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light?
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Cor 11:14 (KJV)
Also, what you saw in the vision is true. No one can work their way into heaven.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-9 (KJV)
It seems ironic to me, assuming you may have heard or read previously that salvation in Christ is by grace, not works, that you would convert to a religion (Islam) in which salvation is by works alone, especially after seeing this vision.
Please read http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_reviewed_contents.htm (http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam_reviewed_contents.htm), written by a former Muslim who converted to Christianity. If you would rather download a pdf file of the book, you can find it at http://www.ellisskolfield.net/books
Man-mad religion is hardly the place to look for truth that can only be found in God's Word (the Bible)
God Bless You -Mike
#mike
Faith only? Really. So your saying that in order to go to heaven all I must do is commit the greatest sin (worship a created being as God) and I don't have to worry about repenting for any of my past sins? Ie...I can sin all I want because my belief in Jesus (a created being) as God is good enough.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 03:13:21 PM
#mike
Faith only? Really. So your saying that in order to go to heaven all I must do is commit the greatest sin (worship a created being as God) and I don't have to worry about repenting for any of my past sins? Ie...I can sin all I want because my belief in Jesus (a created being) as God is good enough.
Azeez, there is quite a difference between mere belief and faith.
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.James 2:19 (KJV)Genuine faith in Christ leads to repentance, not the other way around. In your years in Christianity, did you never understand that Jesus is not a created being? He is the agent of Creation.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. John 1:1-11 (KJV)
Concerning past sins, as I stated above, repentance follows genuine faith.
I am not saying at all that we don't have to repent (turn from) past sins, nor that it is OK to commit any sin we want afterward.
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Romans 6:1-12 (KJV)
This is what we should aim for, and if we understand the depth o love that Christ has for us (to the extent that he gave up his life for us), then we should no longer have a dsire to sin. But being human, we are going to slip, right? Therefore, God provided a way to restore fellowship with him when we do fall short of the goal:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1:8-10 (KJV)
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM
Lets explore my conversion story and let's examine the reasons I left christianity.
I converted to Christianity in 2006.
Azeez, you didn't share with us what gave you the impression you had been a Christian.
1. Please explain this "conversion" to Christianity in 2006.
2. And please also explain what you were "converted"
from.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMIn 2009 God showed me a vision in which he showed me a family working all their life to achieve heaven and when they arrived at heavens gates they were turned away because the religious beliefs they held on to where not true.
The whole reason I pointed out the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and quoted
the scriptures as revealed through the one true God YHWH, was so that you don't have to chase after every dream or vision that Satan puts in your head. I showed you that the Bible tells us to "prove all things" for that very reason. That's why I started with the proof - so you wouldn't have to be deceived by Satan and his "prophet" (parrot) Muhammad.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM
After that he told me to question my beliefs and search out the truth.
He quoted the Quran 2:257 "Truth stands out distinct from error".
I went on a two year quest learning every religion connected to Jesus Christ by studying their respected sources of doctrine.
We understand how you "studied". Through Greek sophist styled antichrist liars like Ahmed Deedat. If not, all you had to do was spend a half hour investigating the non-existent history of mecca. Thus Islamic so-called "tradition" is exposed as nothing more than unhistorical buffooneryl
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMAll Christian based religions were defeatable. Islam has proven itself undefeatable.
I'm sorry my friend. The list of reasons you believe Muhammad rode on a magic flying donkey-mule, is the same list as the reason you kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol. That reason is because Muhammad claimed he rode on a flying donkey-mule.
http://www.petewaldo.com/mohammeds_night_journey.htm
All you are telling us is that you are the victim of a satanic dream.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:29:29 PM
PeteWaldo. Have you ever considered the possibility that you may be wrong?
Don't be silly Azeez. The scriptures that I shared with you have nothing to do with me, but about the way the one true God YHWH revealed Himself through ALL of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 record, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
But I couldn't help but notice that you haven't presented all the reasons Muhammad's followers kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:29:29 PMWould you be sorely disappointed if you got to heaven and they turned you down because you loved not the truth??
Far beyond "disappointed" I would be terrified. The scriptures are specific about those who follow Muhammad because they do not have a love of truth.
2Th 2:9
[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=415.0
That's why I rely on the record of the one true God YHWH. Let me share a few more Scriptures:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and]
he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:
he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,
who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified,
an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
2Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,
even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:29:29 PMAll I want is the truth.
Come on my friend. Since I can't imagine you are trying to fool us at this point, I can only presume you are still trying to fool yourself.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:29:29 PMTruth will always prove itself to be true.
3. Then please present historical and archaeological EVIDENCE that suggests that Mecca ever existed before about the 4th century AD, when pagan immigrants from Yemen originally settled the area and built their Kaaba in the early 5th century for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship. Before you begin I would encourage you to see what the most recent follower of Muhammad that tried, discovered.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3631.0
4. Then why don't you honor my several requests and explain to us all the reasons that Muslims kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca, that was venerated by the Quraish pagan moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worshipers. When you joined this forum you agreed to engage in an exchange. Since you have done nothing but avoid that, why don't you stop breaking your promise and answer now.
Then I will proceed to exeegete your post at this link:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.msg14989#msg14989
Please respond to the prior posts before tackling this one.Rather than engage in an exchange regarding how Islam is the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel, and that Islam is to Christianity as the negative is to a photograph, and that Islam is the only anti-a-specific-religion cult on earth. You instead ignored all my prior posts and parroted Satan as he revealed himself through the false prophet Muhammad.
Your post is nothing more a further admission that you have been deceived by Satan into rejecting the God of the scriptures to follow Muhammad alone.
You will receive your reward, and particularly since you aren't doing it through ignorance, so you won't be able to make that plea when you stand in judgment.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where
the beast and
the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEro81ygXQ
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMI went on a two year quest learning every religion connected to Jesus Christ by studying their respected sources of doctrine. All Christian based religions were defeatable.
There is only one Christian religion, and that is based on scripture, and it hasn't been defeated for nearly 2,000 years. Indeed about 1/3 of mankind in the world today believe that Jesus was crucified, died and was raised from the dead, and was sent to save all from sin who have faith in His shed blood.
Millions more are coming to Christ every year, in Africa alone. Jesus is bringing in the last of the harvest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMIslam has proven itself undefeatable.
Islam is defeated right out of the gate because there is NOT A SHRED of historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before about the 4th century AD. That renders Muhammad's nonsensical drivel to be little more than demonstrable buffoonery.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0
That's why for 1400 years Islam has proven itself thoroughly reprobate, because the only way it could spread is through the rape pillage and plunder of imperialistic conquest. Another way we can know it is of Satan, because Islam cannot stand the light of truth, but has always had to put its effort into extinguishing it, as it continues to do today.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=51.0
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#sword_islam
http://www.petewaldo.com/jihad_conquest_terrorism.htm
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM
Before you try to mow down my words with your biased-ness ........
Your words and Muhammad's are mowed down by scripture, not bias. Muhammad is demonstrated to be a lying antichrist, as I showed you through the scriptures. He was also a moral reprobate.
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.0
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM...... consider the words of the following article
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?id=119792&page=articles
Allaah the All-Mighty Says ......
I'm afraid we have to put the buzzer on your right out of the gate. You couldn't have gone on a quest like you describe and still be calling the one true God YHWH "Allah". The name of the God of the scriptures is "YHWH", as it occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture and in paleo-Hebrew inscription that dates as early as the 9th century BC, and is pronounced roughly Yahweh.
First, "Allah" was the name of an Arabian pagan deity, that Muhammad adopted as his self-serving alter-ego, while adopting the pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals and adding a thin veneer. Indeed Muhammad's followers and the pagan's performed the Hajj shoulder to shoulder right up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when Abu Bakr kicked the poor pagan's out of their own ritual.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
As you likely know Muhammad's father's name was "Abdullah" (like your username), which meant he was "slave" of the Arabian pagan's deity "Allah", long before Muhammad was ever born or invented his cult.
The Arabic language, from which the pagan Arabian deity's name springs,
did not even exist until into the Christian era.http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2561.0
So the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom beast is just as prophesied:
Rev 13:6 And
he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
The etymology of the name "Allah" suggests it was the name of the Arabian moon god. As you know in the satanic verses Muhammad names the rest of the Arabian star family, including Alat the sun god and Manat and Uzza, which were planets.
From Dr. Rafat Amari: "Quoting Dr. Rafat Amari from "Islam: In Light of History" on the etymology of the name "Allah".
"We know that the term "Allah," as the god of the moon, was derived from the Thamud god of the moon. His name was Hilal, or Hlal, which means "crescent." Later, the name "Hilal" became Hilah, as we see in many inscriptions which were found in Arabia. In the Thamud inscriptions he is found as H-ilah, Ha-ilah and H-alah. We see the same development for "Hilah," the moon deity in Yemen, where Almaqah is called "Halal,' or "Hilal, the Crescent."
Safaitic tribes were nomads wandering in many parts of Arabia, especially in the north. The god of the moon was found in their inscriptions as "H-lah." in the Safaitic inscriptions, the letter "H" pronounced as "Ha" is the definite article, "the." It corresponds to the Arabic, "Al." This led the Arabians to call him "Al-lah.""
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2265.0
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PMAllaah the All-Mighty Says (what means): "This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.†[Quran 5:3]
This was one of the last verses revealed chronologically to Prophet Muhammad , marking the completion of the Quran and the perfection of Islam. Islam is complete and perfect and is not thereafter susceptible to addition or abrogation.
All you did over two years was break your mind. A whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. The "Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh".
(Yusuf Ali) Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?
2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?
The typical Islamic hypocrisy. Saying "Gee, none of our verses are open to abrogation they are just annulled and replaced with better" which is abrogation. Like when Muhammad's followers lie about believing in Jesus when you reject the whole subject of the Gospel.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMBeing eternal and universal, the Islamic Law, .......
We are well familiar with Islamic "law", that is, at least as it relates to women:
(http://www.beholdthebeast.com/27168100.jpg)
(http://www.beholdthebeast.com/286f4370.jpg)
And rape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V22qDQqMPL0
Sharia law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM...... which was made by God (Allaah) Himself, Who knows what is best for us under all circumstances, is resilient and adjustable to the changing conditions of time and place.
The Gospel is the same as it was in the first century, yesterday and forever. No adjusting needed.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMThe perfection of Islam is manifest in the fact that God (Allaah) has made it reign supreme and prevail over other religions.
It is Satan himself who spread Islam through the power of the sword.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#sword_islam
http://www.petewaldo.com/jihad_conquest_terrorism.htm
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMAllaah’s favor upon the Muslims ..........
Then why do so many suffer the devastating consequences of Muhammad-sanctioned inbreeding?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1844.0
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM........ is manifest in the fact that He granted them true guidance, support and honor in this world and in the Hereafter.
But it can only be Satan Himself that guides you to prostrate yourself toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day. Even traveling to it and marching around it, just as the naked Arabian pagans did.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PMHe has also chosen for them Islam as their religion because it is the Truth, ........
I'm sorry Azeez, but Islam is a lie from straight out of the pit of hell.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM........ and it is for this reason that He will not accept any other religion but Islam.
The Quran says (what means): "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the losers.†[Quran 3:85].
At least you realize there is no middle ground. One must choose between the one true God of the scriptures as revealed through ALL of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years - or Muhammad alone, through his heavily abrogated, 23 year, 7th century record and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals.
Blessedly there is no ambiguity since Muhammad compels his followers to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
Muhammad compels his followers to DISbelieve the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, DENY the Son of God, and REJECT his shed blood AS ARTICLES OF FAITH in Muhammad ALONE. Indeed Islam is ANTICHRIST.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and
he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM
Islam gives its followers happiness in this world ........
They're sure having fun in Syria. Let alone the 15 schoolgirls that were killed in Saudi Arabia that were sent back into a burning school because they had the audacity to try to escape the flames without wearing a head covering. Let alone the 2 million killed or displaced in the Sudan alone.
In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one of their heads left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."
"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""
True followers doing as Muhammad indicated: Bukhari Book #62, Hadith #137: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."
AP - December 06, 2006 MOGADISHU, Somalia - "Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an Islamic courts official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm
Ya, Muhammad's followers really know how to make happiness for themselves and others Azeez.
(http://www.beholdthebeast.com/0ce2cc90.jpg)
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM
Islam gives its followers happiness in this world and eternal bliss in the life to come.
Ah yes. The multiple virgins to defile in the chicken and wine serving bordello of Muhammad's overactive imagination that he dubbed "paradise".
http://www.petewaldo.com/#paradise
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PMIslam simply means total submission to the Will of Allaah. Therefore, it is the same in essence, whether given to Nooh (Noah), Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosaa (Moses), 'Eesaa (Jesus), ........
Muhammad and you blaspheme them all, just as prophesied of the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast":
Rev 13:6 And
he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and
them that dwell in heaven.You are just spewing lies and blasphemy:
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM....... may Allaah exalt their mention, or to Muhammad . For the message it calls to is the same, and the source of unity is the revelation from Allaah (which means): "He has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He enjoined on Noah, and that which We have revealed to you, and which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses and Jesus: namely that you should remain steadfast in religion and be not divided therein.†[Quran 42:13]
After the corruption of the older Scriptures, ...........
More lies and blasphemy
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not
God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.A filthy unsupportable satanic lie. While you follow a "tradition" that was created from thin air in the 7th to 10th centuries AD. Let alone that your claim makes Muhammad a liar (which I showed you God confirms through the scriptures I already presented):
Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity),
kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.
By Muhammad's 7th century the Gospel had been translated into every major language, had been copied tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries when Muhammad quipped:
Sura 5:68 Say: "
O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law,
the Gospel, and all the revelation
that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
So was Muhammad just too stupid to know that the Gospel had been "corrupted" as you suggest?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM........... the Quran came with a twofold purpose -- to confirm the true and original message of Islam, ..........
How can you have studied it for 2 years and be this ignorant. Or are you just engaging in taqiyyah and dissimulation? Creating your own Islam on the fly.
5:48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth,
confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:...
But of course the reason you said it was to confirm
Islam is because you can see what a preposterous lie that sura is, since Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel.
The
EXACT OPPOSITE is called
CONTRADICTION, not confirmation.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM........... and to stand as a witness to it, by confirming the truth and rejecting the falsehood, which over time came into the older Scriptures.
Then Muhammad was a foolish liar:
sura 4:136 O ye who believe!
Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and
the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels,
His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
According to Muhammad you have gone far astray through the filth you peddle regarding the scriptures.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PMMuslims are required to believe in the revealed Scriptures and to make no distinction between any of them, ........
Indeed. Muhammad had to prohibit you from distinguishing between the one only Messiah, who you believe was born of a virgin by the will of God, and who you believe was sinless - and an illiterate (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0), pillaging (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), plundering (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-raid-caravans.htm), murdering (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0), child doing (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=769.msg3047#msg3047), prisoner raping (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1564.0), stepson's only wife taking (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=929.0), sex slave prostituting (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0), concubine fornicating (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.msg3411#msg3411), cheating (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=950.0), blood drenched (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), imperialistic (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geut2COmRLYsMAd.dXNyoA?p=history+islamic+first+jihad+poitiers+france+vienna+austria&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-832&sao=1), conquering (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=856.0), terrorist (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=953.0), thief (http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=608.0).
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:23:03 PM......... or the Messengers who brought them, may Allaah exalt their mention, because they all come from the One True God.
Quote from: Mike S on May 09, 2013, 01:55:23 PMAzeez, how do you know that it was God that showed you the vision, and not Satan, since Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light?
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:14 (KJV)
I don't think you read the part where I said he told me to examine my beliefs and search out the truth.
Will Satan ever tell anybody to "examine your beliefs and search out the truth because the truth stands out distinct from error. The truth will always prove itself to be true."??
PETE
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AMcan you make a list of all the reasons Muhammad's followers kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Muhammad's followers kissed the stone because he did kissed it. Idk why muhammad kissed the stone to begin with and I seriously don't care.
If your implying that I worship a black stone....your wrong.
Muhammad's god is the God of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, and Jesus.
I worship the god of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses and Jesus also.
Islam is STRONGLY OPPOST TO THE WORSHIP OF ANYTHING/ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ONE TRUE GOD.
You ignored items 1-3. I am particularly interested in questions 1 and 2 (I already know you are empty-handed regarding item 3).
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 10, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
PETE
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AMcan you make a list of all the reasons Muhammad's followers kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?
Muhammad's followers kissed the stone because he did kissed it.
EXACTLY! That's the same list of reasons you follow Muhammad. Because Muhammad told his followers to follow him.
The same reason you reject the one true God YHWH as revealed through ALL of His prophets and witnesses of His 1600 year record, that his people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years.
Because you follow Muhammad alone, and his self-serving alter-ego - and the Quraish pagan's deity - "Allah".
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 10, 2013, 01:42:46 PMIdk why muhammad kissed the stone to begin with and I seriously don't care.
If your implying that I worship a black stone....your wrong.
The Quraish pagan's didn't worship you black stone idol either. They VENERATED it as representing their pagan deity (most likely their moon god "Allah").
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.0
Just as Muhammad's followers VENERATE the Quraish pagan's black stone idol as representing the Arabian deity "Allah" that Muhammad adopted, while thinly repackaging pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals. Indeed some of Muhammad's followers hated performing the Saee because they knew it came straight out of Arabian jinn-devil worship.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "
Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2 Book 26 710)
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
You see? You prostrate yourself to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol five times a day, and march arouond the Quraish pagan's black stone idol as they did, and kiss the black stone idol as Muhammad did, and even engage in Arabian jinn-devil worship rituals. All for
ONE REASON. Because THE false prophet Muhammad did, as the Arabian pagans did before him, and then told his followers to do the same.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 10, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
Muhammad's god is the God of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, and Jesus.
I worship the god of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses and Jesus also.
That couldn't be more false. As demonstrated through history, archaeology and physical geography. You worship Satan through his messenger Muhammad. That is why you must reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, and the blood that would save you. That is why you blaspheme the Son of God.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 10, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
Islam is STRONGLY OPPOST TO THE WORSHIP OF ANYTHING/ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ONE TRUE GOD.
You DO NOT worship the one true God of the scriptures, as is provable through history, archaeology, geography or scripture. Since Mecca never even existed before the 4th century AD, what does that do to the pure fiction of Islamic so-called "tradition", that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries - that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history - yet without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 5th century? If it was just pure poppycock it wouldn't be so bad, but it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the God of the scriptures.
http://www.historyofmecca.com
Let me show you what Satan has done to you through his messenger Muhammad.
Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
You see? For nearly 2,000 years Christians have prayed in Jesus' name. It is how we are guided by the Holy Spirit.
Yet Satan has convinced his followers that for a Muslim to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name, would constitute the single-most heinous - and only unforgivable sin - in Muhammad's cult. As opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder for example, which may be forgiven.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3344.0
Do you really believe a just God would make praying in Jesus name, a sin worse than cold-blooded mass murder? Can't you see it is Satan that would reveal himself as the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel? Who do you think made Muhammad feel he was getting the life squeezed out of him in that cave? An angel???!!! Muhammad knew it was a demon. That's why he ran home and told that to Khadijah. But she talked him out of it because she had a profitable profit plan.
2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 10, 2013, 01:05:30 PM
Quote from: Mike S on May 09, 2013, 01:55:23 PMAzeez, how do you know that it was God that showed you the vision, and not Satan, since Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light?
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:14 (KJV)
I don't think you read the part where I said he told me to examine my beliefs and search out the truth.
Will Satan ever tell anybody to "examine your beliefs and search out the truth because the truth stands out distinct from error. The truth will always prove itself to be true."??
It is obvious you were already doubting your faith, or you would not have had the dream in the first place. So in a time of weakness, you were attacked by Satan. Satan will use partial truth to get to us. The giveaway for me is the quoting of the Qur'an in your dream.
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 04, 2013, 02:45:44 PMQuote from: azeezabdullah11 on May 04, 2013, 02:01:52 PMMuhammad is not the antichrist/beast/666. I can provide irrefutable evidence to prove his innocence of being called antichrist/beast/666.
Azeez, it's going to be pretty difficult to produce "irrefutable evidence" to prove that Muhammad and Islam are not antichrist, when we can confirm it in just a couple of verses. Let's turn to our books:
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/antichrist.htm
Rather than wasting our time in PM why don't you start by responding to my replies item by item, line by line, post by post from the beginning of our exchange - from the top. Instead of continuing to ignore them, and being non-responsive, why not try replying?
Why not present the "irrefutable evidence" that Muhammad was not antichrist, that you claimed you have?
I showed you "irrefutable evidence" that according to the scriptures and the Quran
Muhammad and his followers are in fact exactly antichrist - indeed are the very definition of antichristQuote from: PeteWaldo on May 04, 2013, 02:45:44 PMPlease correct if they were wrong, but several Muslims have told me, as do many Islamic websites (http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3344.0), that for a Muslim to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even to pray in Jesus' name, would be to commit the single most egregious - and only unforgivable sin ("shirk") - in Islam.
Yet: 1John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
At the following link is a video of the famous Greek sophist styled entertainer and lying deceiver Ahmed Deedat, in the act of fooling a lot of poor sorely deluded scripture-ignorant Muslims. Besides creating a fictional bible verse (and repeating it in other venues), Deedat was apparently unable to even tell the difference, between a test of spirits and a test of persons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_4_tbN-b_A
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=335.0
Regarding Muhammad's Islamic kingdom as the "beast" of Revelation 13, you would need some knowledge of scripture, as well as willingness to apply hermeneutic discipline to study, in order to be able to see that. I can walk you through it if you like.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/daniels_four_beasts.htm
After you present your "irrefutable evidence to prove [Muhammad's] innocence of being called antichrist", and address the prior post, let's move to one of your related points that you PMd me:
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 11, 2013, 02:01:24 PM
I have a proposal for you.
If you can provide me with a list of your objections to islam, I will attempt to refute those topics on my website that I've been wanting to address my beliefs on for some time now.
Why don't you start your website by collecting and listing all of the the archaeological and historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD when pagan immigrants from Yemen initially settled the area, and built their Kaaba in the late 5th century AD for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.
Bear in mind that other ancient Arabian towns are very well attested in the archaeological and historical records of Arabia. Yet Mecca is supposed to have been the historical epicenter of mankind ever since the fictional poppycock of Islamic so-called "tradition" suggests that Adam built the Kaaba.
In other words can you imagine what it would be like if there was no historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Jerusalem - the epicenter of Judaeo-Christianity - ever existed before the 4th century AD?
But there are over a million artifacts - just on display.
Why don't you start researching the subject at our site here:
http://www.historyofmecca.com/
And here:
THE TRUE STORY OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE OF MECCA (Kaaba)
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1133.0
ARCHAEOLOGY OF ARABIA SHOWS THAT MECCA DID NOT EXIST BEFORE CHRISTIANITY
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1132.0
CLASSICAL WRITERS SHOW MECCA COULD NOT HAVE BEEN BUILT BEFORE THE 4th CENTURY AD
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1138.0
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 11, 2013, 02:01:24 PMI will post my own articles with my research about what I believe concerning christianity and islam.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 12, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Lets look at the evidence I have against christianity.
I have proof that....:
-Jesus is not God's son
I would recommend you visit IslamAndTheTruth.com to check some scripture before launching off into such unsupportable conjecture.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/
Let's look at some verses:
Gal 4:6 And
because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Often Muslims will try to obfuscate their denial that Jesus is THE ONLY begotten Son of God, by saying that there were lots of sons of God.
Indeed there is reference to "sons" of God (of which I am one) BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, as revealed in at least 10 verses, including in Old Testament prophecy. http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0
The term
"the Son of God" occurs 44 times in the KJV in reference to Jesus Christ. See below.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus.htm
The term
"Son" in reference to Jesus being the distinct Son of God, often being preceded by the article "
the",
occurs at least 63 more times. http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus.htm#son
As in this example:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son. 23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
It is true scripture refers to sons of God in the Old Testament, missing THE prophesied Son of God in these (and other) Old Testament verses:
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and
bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.ImmanuelOld Testament Hebrew Definition:
0410 'el {ale}
shortened from 0352; TWOT - 93a; n m
AV -
God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1,
Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1; 245
1) god, god-like one, mighty one
PDF tract of these verses with folding instructions: "Jesus" http://www.islamandthetruth.com/christian_testimonies.htm#tract_m4
YouTube of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUUXG0z0bPE
The first verse is a Christophany where Jesus showed Himself hundreds of years before He was made manifest to the world. Three men were cast into an oven, and a fourth appeared among them:
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of
the fourth is like the Son of God.
Some verses from the New Testament:
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said,
If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him,
If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying,
Of a truth thou art the Son of God.Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether
thou be the Christ, the Son of God.Mat 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, save thyself. If thou be
the Son of God, come down from the cross.
Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him:
for he said, I am the Son of God.Mat 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying,
Truly this was the Son of God.Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of
Jesus Christ, the Son of God;Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying,
Thou art the Son of God.Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said,
Truly this man was the Son of God.Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Luk 4:3
And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.Luk 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him,
If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:Luk 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying,
Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Luk 22:70 Then said they all,
Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.Jhn 1:34
And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him,
Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is,
when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him,
Dost thou believe on the Son of God?Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,
Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God,
that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.Jhn 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord:
I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die,
because he made himself the Son of God.Jhn 20:31
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said,
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.Act 9:20
And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.Rom 1:4
And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
2Cr 1:19
For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, [even] by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh
I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Eph 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Hbr 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens,
Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.
Hbr 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing
they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.Hbr 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.1Jo 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.1Jo 5:5
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on
the Son of God hath the witness in himself:
he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.1Jo 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.1Jo 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the
Son of God.
1Jo 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write;
These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;
And in Satan's words, as channeled through his lying, blaspheming, antichrist "messenger":Quran Sura 19:88
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89
Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!Rewarded by virgins to defile in Muhammad's chicken and wine serving bordello (http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=264.0) he called "paradise" or......
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but
the wrath of God abideth on him.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and
shall bring forth a son, and they shall call
his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying,
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said,
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying],
Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou]
Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying,
This is my beloved Son: hear him.Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither
the Son, but the Father.Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him,
Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called
the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying,
This is my beloved Son: hear him.Luke 10:6 And if
the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who
the Son is, but the Father;
and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he]
to whom the Son will reveal [him].
John 3:17 For
God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:20
For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so
the Son quickeneth whom he will.John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:John 5:23
That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.John 5:26
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that
every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:42 And they said,
Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
John 6:69 And we believe and are sure that
thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
[but] the Son abideth ever.John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
that the Father may be glorified in the Son.John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob,
the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [him] go.
Acts 3:26 Unto you first
God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Romans 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:9 For
God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies,
we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow,
he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
1Corinthians 1:9 God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of
his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.1Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Galatians 1:16
To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come,
God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons,
God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and
hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son:1Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh]
the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.2Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory,
This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly
our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and
the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.1John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.1John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
1John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you,
ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.1John 3:23 And this is his commandment,
That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and
sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that
the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.1John 5:11 And this is the record, that
God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.1John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.2John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace,
from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.In the words of Satan's messenger (and your words in your claim at post beginning): Surah 9.30 The
Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say.
God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
The above verses don't even include 234 more verses that proclaim God the Father:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0You said: "I have proof that....: -Jesus is not God's son"
I am sure we can safely presume your "proof" equals that which you have yet to produce that defends Muhammad as not being antichrist. Are you really going to embarrass and condemn yourself by uploading yet another lying, blaspheming, antichrist, Islamic website?
Please revisit this verse again:
Jhn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.Add to all this, the fact that Mecca did not exist before the 4th century AD, and the fact that you prostrate yourself toward the very same black stone idol that Quraish pagans venerated.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm
I still can't understand how a person that has been left with even a shred of ability to think critically could possibly continue to trade the one true God YHWH as He revealed Himself through ALL of His prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years - for
Muhammad alone, through his
STAND-ALONE, 23 year 7th century record of a bunch of heavily abrogated, antichrist, nonsensical, drivel. And of course worse, as he calls his terrorist followers to conquer and subjugate others to
disbelieving the crucifixion of Christ,
denying the Son of God, and
rejecting His shed blood that would save them,
as articles of faith in Muhammad alone.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
....inspired by men.....
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0
.....and importantly through Waraqa bin Naufal via the Ebionite Gnostics via 1st century Simon Magus the "father of heresies".
http://www.petewaldo.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm
and here:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1079.0
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 09, 2013, 01:11:40 PM
Lets explore my conversion story and let's examine the reasons I left christianity.
I converted to Christianity in 2006.
"Converted" from what?
What makes you believe you were ever a Christian?
It would be one thing if you had never been shown the truth Azeez. It's possible you could have pleaded ignorance when standing in judgment:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath:
for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.If you had not been shown the truth, you might not have been judged as understanding but then rejecting the law,
when you stand in judgment before the very Son of God, the false prophet Muhammad convinced you to deny:
Jhn 5:22 For
the Father judgeth no man, but
hath committed all judgment unto the Son:But you have been shown the truth, understood the truth, and rejected the truth. You will be judged on the basis of having had your eyes wide open, and then rejecting the truth. It would have been better for you not to have ever known the way:
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
We'll pray for you my friend.
Pete Waldo: the founder of this forum and most (if not all) of those anti-Islamic sites he promotes.
He says "if you feel I am preaching lies, join the forum and tell us".
This is a bunch of crap.
He says he wants the truth. Yet he defends lies.
He attacks my faith (Islam) by constantly beating around the bush and avoiding issues of doctrine and morality. This is what ministers are trained to do "attack attack attack, never defend the bible because you'll lose badly"
I can and will DESTROY Christianity.
If you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".
Well then why not enter into an honest one on one debate with him here? Why not honestly address the isssues he raises instead of obfuscating and hurling false accusations?
Starting a new thread, in which you reduced yourself to substanceless false accusation, won't make the thread you have ignored magically go away, so I merged your new thread with the thread that you are trying to run and hide from.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
Pete Waldo: the founder of this forum and most (if not all) of those anti-Islamic sites he promotes.
He says "if you feel I am preaching lies, join the forum and tell us".
This is a bunch of crap.
But you did join the forum, and you did your best to tell us.
It was your abject failure to defend Muhammad and his adopted and adapted and thinly veneered pagan Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals
that caused you to run away. Simply starting another thread won't make that failure go away.
The last time you were left speechless and unable to reply (http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.msg15001#msg15001) to simple questions, you ran away to personal messaging, as if that would help make the truth go away. I'll copy and paste the emails for the benefit of others, part of which I already replied to.
Then this time, once again, rather than simply engaging in an exchange as you agreed to do as part of the terms of joining the forum, and replying to the thread - as you have repeatedly failed to do - you start yet another thread perhaps hoping that a false personal attack, instead of a substantive response, will make this thread go away.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
He says he wants the truth. Yet he defends lies.
Always the same tired old false accusations from Muhammad's followers, but never with specifics. Typical of Muhammad's followers, believing that simply because they are willing to declare something, means it will magically come true. Anyone with a shred of capacity for critical thought, can see that this thread bears witness, that it is you that you describe in your false accusations. When not making empty, unsupported, false accusations, Muhammad's followers otherwise simply make empty false preposterous claims against the one true God of the Bible as you did throughout this thread and your email, as if your willingness to simply declare something will magically make it magically come true. Exactly in the mold of Muhammad's 7th to 10th century Islamic so-called "tradition" fiction creators. Inventing thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history from thin air, without reference to any actual historical record, that preceded the 5th century AD.
False accusation is, however, what Christians are to expect in these times, of those that serve the father of lies through his "prophet" Muhammad:
2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3
Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent, fierce,
despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
He attacks my faith (Islam)........
You are welcome to have faith in the tooth fairy, but that doesn't mean she will magically become real, or true. As revealed through countless threads in this forum, and in this thread in which you failed to engage in an exchange, your faith is placed in a cult
that follows Muhammad alone that demonstrates itself to be an epic failure whether investigated in terms of scripture, history, archaeology or geography. The exact opposite of that revealed through the scriptures of the ONE true God YHWH, that are supported by history, archaeology, as well as physical geographical reality. That's just the way it is my friend, which you further confirm, through your continuing epic failure to defend Muhammad's "religion".
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM....... by constantly beating around the bush ........
Any sane person can review this thread and judge your false accusation for themselves. What I did is the exact opposite of that which you describe. I engaged in specifics which you were unable to respond to.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM....... and avoiding issues of doctrine and morality.
When you don't engage in specifics your words are exposed as nothing more than empty, hollow, unsupported, false accusation. I'll merge this thread with the last one to make it easier for you to quote that to which you are referring.
Regarding issues of morality, let's start with 53 year old Muhammad's doing a 9 year old little girl:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=769.msg11717#msg11717
Then perhaps move on to the beheading murder of the innocent Jewish farm boys of the Banu Qurayza:
http://www.petewaldo.com/banu_qurayza_massacre.htm
Then perhaps move on to his female prisoner rape:
Bukhari:V5B59N459 "I entered the Mosque, saw Abu, sat beside him and asked about sex. Abu Said said, 'We went out with Allah's Apostle and we received female slaves from among the captives. We desired women and we loved to do coitus interruptus.'"
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PMThis is what ministers are trained to do "attack attack attack, never defend the bible because you'll lose badly"
As you can see from this thread that's simply not true Azeez. I pointed out the hundreds of verses that declare Jesus the Son of God (http://www.islamandthetruth.com/jesus_the_son_of_god.htm) and God His Father (http://www.islamandthetruth.com/god_the_father.htm). Christians are called to preach the Gospel which I also did.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm
The reason it may seem like an attack to you, is that the false prophet Muhammad proclaimed the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, as I already patiently explained. Each and every one of his followers is antichrist. It's sad but true.
If Muhammad were a true prophet, then ALL of the prophets and witnesses in the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind - including Jesus - are false.
Azeez, why don't you try an answer this time.
If you were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn't you be committing the most egregious, and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN in Muhammad's cult? As compared to raping a little girl or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
I can and will DESTROY Christianity.
My friend, Christianity has been around for nearly 2,000 years, so it's unlikely that Azeez Abdullah - "Abdullah" meaning slave of the Quraish pagan deity "Allah" just as Muhammad's father and other Arabian pagans were named - will destroy Christianity. Each time I invited you to do so you failed epically. Why not go back to the beginning of this thread and actually try responding?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
If you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, .......
Which I have repeatedly done in this thread, to which you continue to be unable to respond.
Do you really think it wise to be risking God's judgement by being responsible for uploading yet another Islamic pack of lies from the father of lies?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PM....... I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".
As I have patiently and repeatedly explained, you were never a Christian my friend. I can know this from scripture. If you had been born again, you wouldn't have been able to be duped by the false prophet Muhammad:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
And we are still waiting for you to tell us what you were, before you deceived yourself into believing you became a Christian in 2006.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 07, 2013, 03:41:00 PMIf you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".
Let's review your messages and my replies:
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 06, 2013, 06:12:37 AM
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AM
Dear PeteWaldo. Are you planning on stomping my words into the ground as if they were dung or are you going to give me the benefit of the doubt that YOU COULD BE WRONG.
I'm always open to correcting error. The last thing I would want is to stand in judgment, particularly having taught error, in any of my materials. I believe teachers will be held to a higher standard of judgment.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AM
Are you so prideful that you won't even consider hearing what we Muslims have to say in response to these obserd allegations?
Which allegations? If you could simply respond to my posts, as you agreed to do when you joined the forum, I could know what "absurd allegations" you are talking about.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AMGod forbid. I left christianity for a reason.
Then I would suggest it's a shame that you were never born again. Let's explore the reasons you did.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AMI only wish you understood why from my point of view.
Perhaps I could, if you would simply respond to my replies to you.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AMIf you are willing to listen and see christianity through alternative viewpoint......
I can only see my Christianity through the scriptures.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AM.....then hold on for a ride that will shake your faith till all that is left is the truth.
Then why not start with substantive and relevant responses to the content of my posts, instead of wasting time in PMing?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 01:14:05 AMAll I want is the truth. I won't stand for bulls**t.
That's why I posted the scriptures rather than the empty words of men. Why not simply respond to them?
Please feel free to break them down into lots of small posts is you like, while answering point by point.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3622.msg14945#msg14945
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3622.msg14945#msg14945
And
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 06, 2013, 01:31:48 PM
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Sounds very reaonable. I may start new posts instead of replying to the other posts.......
But that would go against what you agreed to when you joined the forum. All we ask of folks is to engage in exchange. That's basically the only forum rule, besides not posting a mass of points in one post, or posting a blizzard of posts without replying to responses.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=35.0
Could you please extend me the courtesy, and appreciation for the time I spent in reply, by beginning where we left off?
We have a lot of important ground to cover in just those two posts, without getting distracted with more. I can split the 666 post off from your first post too:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1308.msg14935#msg14935
And already split this one off:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.0
Point by point is best. I detail a little about quoting posts and forum mechanics here:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=39.0
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 06, 2013, 11:40:09 AM........ I've replied on (as you mentioned in the PM you sent me).
Iron sharpens iron.
This was followed by a discussion about iphone apps for the forum. Then:
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 11, 2013, 06:16:22 AM
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 10, 2013, 11:52:45 PM
I read your reply. I have questions for you personally.
Do you believe the following statements:
1. "The truth stands distinct and separate from error."
2. "The truth will always prove itself to be true."
It certainly has for me. I even have a site that points out error of a virtually a unanimity of the "church".
http://www.christianeschatology.com/
Take the example of PotatoMuslim who came to this forum to school me. He DID school me and brought some information that I had not been made aware of before. However he thought it would make everything I claim about Mecca not existing before the 4th century, wrong, but what it wound up doing was reinforcing the fact that Mecca never existed before the 4th century AD. That's the wonderful thing about truth. It stands on its own while being evermore confirmed. Please read this thread, my friend, it won't take that long.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3631.0
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You won't won't receive a new heart from the God of the scriptures, through thinly veneered Arabian pagan jinn-devil worship rituals, and Quraish pagan black stone idol veneration, my friend.
and
Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 11, 2013, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 11, 2013, 02:01:24 PM
I have a proposal for you.
If you can provide me with a list of your objections to islam, .........
Don't be ridiculous. It isn't about MY objections but the objections of the one true God YHWH as revealed through the scriptures. I already showed you the scriptures proclaim you and Muhammad blaspheming, lying, antichrists. Please review my posts.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 11, 2013, 02:01:24 PM....... I will attempt to refute those topics on my website that I've been wanting to address my beliefs on for some time now.
I will post my own articles with my research about what I believe concerning christianity and islam.
I invite you to make a new website (if you won't do it because of money....we'll talk about it) refuting my arguments against christianity and for islam.
If I am convinced that you have defeated my arguments, I will repent of islam and will come back to christianity ........
This suggestion alone shows you were never a Christian, so you wouldn't be going back to Christianity. Not a single person in the world has ever been saved through their heads. Only Jesus can give you a new heart, and only when you are ready for Him to. Until then you will remain bound by Satan as a slave to your flesh, while prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol 5 times a day.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 11, 2013, 02:01:24 PM........ and join your efforts to fight islam.
Why would you want to waste your time lying on a website when you failed epically to even begin to reply to my responses to you in this forum? Why not start there?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 11, 2013, 02:01:24 PMWhat do you think about this proposal?
I think it's as if you never read a single post of mine. In fact insultingly so.
All you have to do to fulfill both of our participation in your "proposal", is to start from my first post in our chat, and this time instead of ignoring my posts answer to them line by line, post by post, from the beginning.
Unfortunately no amount of obfuscation or foolishness you hope to engage in will ever change THE FACT that Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Indeed Islam is as opposite to Christianity as Muhammad was of Jesus.
Followed by (unfortunately I didn't save my replies, however I also began to respond to the replies in the forum)
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 12, 2013, 01:34:54 AMDo you want to explain to me why you are so damn full of pride that you won't even consider that I know things you don't about your religion. I can destroy christianity.
I'm offering you the opportunity to refute my articles and IF YOU CAN....I WILL CONVERT BACK TO MY FORMER FAITH (christianity).
I'm not foolish, I have solid research reasons why I left christianity. I am promising you IF YOU CAN REFUTE MY ARTICLES I WILL CLME BACK TO CHRISTIANITY. if I were ingaging in deceit why would I put my own beliefs on the line?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 12, 2013, 01:40:08 AM
What do you have to be afraid of? If you win...you will win a soul. What are you afraid of?? If you are right then are dual will prove it.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 12, 2013, 12:21:16 PM
Lets look at the evidence I have against christianity.
I have proof that....:
-Jesus is not God
-Jesus is not God's son
-term "son of God" was not a good thing in JCs time
-Paul is 666
-Paul and Jesus didn't agree
-Jesus warned us about Paul
-Jesus preached islam
-Jesus preached Muhammad's coming
-Jesus's gospel is very different than Paul's gospel
-Paul's gospel is 100 percent new info
-Jesus's gospel is same one all prophets before him preached.
-Jesus's preached taking responsibility for your sins
-Paul preached Jesus died for all your sins (personal responsibility is not necessary)
To which I began to respond in the forum at this link, http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.msg15007#msg15007 but it is yet to be met with a response by Azeez.
Not surprising since he never even began to engage in an exchange, beginning with his claim in his first post:
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on May 04, 2013, 02:01:52 PMMuhammad is not the antichrist/beast/666. I can provide irrefutable evidence to prove his innocence of being called antichrist/beast/666.
He failed altogether to reply to my response in the second post, http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3633.msg14936#msg14936 in which I pointed out through scripture that Muhammad, as well as his 1.5 billion followers, are all antichrist.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and
the Son. 23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
Indeed necessarily so
as an article of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone. Committing the most egregious - and
only unforgivable sin in their cult - if a follower of Muhammad were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God or even pray in Jesus' name. As opposed to child rape, or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven.
http://www.petewaldo.com/unforgivable_shirk.htm
Yet: 1Jo 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Let's look at the definition of the term "cult": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ompcT_0UDq0
From now on, every post you put in this forum will be consolidated with this thread, to prevent you from trying to run and hide from it. Additionally anything that does not address my several replies to you, that you ignored from the start, will be moved to spam, until and unless you begin replying to my responses to you. Beginning with the second post in this thread, that I authored in reply to your original post.
Azeez
I still want to know what type of faith you were BEFORE you said you became a Christian. Also, you said you wanted the REAL truth. Does Allah make any sense to you? He blinds non believers so they cannot see the truth EVER. He hates Jews (especially them) and wants nothing from them. Guess what? Your Allah created those Jews, did he not? If he didn't create them, then who did? Needless to say, them Jews are PURE EVIL according to Allah and he wants them destroyed. Now, suppose you were born a Jew and you converted over to Islam. Would Allah forgive you? Not a chance! He blinded you, remember?
Look. I understand where you're coming from but you are indeed living and believing in a lie. You have only two choices. Learn now and start asking yourself some SERIOUS questions. I promise you this. Why do you think the Holy Bible is not allowed to be sold, spoken about or anything else in a dominate Muslim controlled environment? Because your book called the Quran tells you not to think or even ask SERIOUS questions. You are to only do as you are told. That's it. Why? If you were to really study it, you will discover it is PURE EVIL and all lies. That's why you are not allowed to think. Just do as I say.
If you choose to live that life of a lie and die before you know the real truth as to which we are trying to lead you to, you will meet Jesus and, unfortunately, He (Jesus) will send you straight to hell. You can't argue with Jesus for you will lose each and every time. He makes no exceptions for anybody. You die, you deny Jesus as the Son of God, you go to fire and brimstone forever. No exceptions. I don't want to see you go there but sometimes death is the only way that you will then see what we have been telling you all along was indeed the absolute truth but you decided to listen to Satan and trust him instead. He (Satan) could care less what you do but Satan FORBIDS you to even contemplate accepting Jesus as your personal savior because Satan KNOWS that if you do decide to accept Jesus, you can be with Him forever. Satan know this verse and he wants you to not see it. Satan knows EXACTLY how you are supposed to go to heaven and Satan will steer you away from it.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him (Jesus) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Suppose that verse was in the Quran. Would you accept Jesus on that statement? Well, it's not in the Quran. Why is that verse or any other verse like it not the Quran. Because the Quran is trying to keep you FAR FAR AWAY from that truth. Just do as I say and ignore the Holy Bible, believe in the Quran ONLY and everything will be fine, that is, until you die. Then you can know the real truth to your hearts content for it won't matter anymore.
With that said, when you die, where do you want to be? In heaven or in the lake of fire and brimstone? If you die without Jesus, you will burn and know the real truth or you can take the free gift from Jesus. You can't say I believe now when you are dead and all will be forgiven. No. When you die, that's it. Your fate is sealed and it cannot be changed. I assure you that EVERYONE in hell knows the real truth and if they could do it all over again, they would accept Jesus immediately. He's waiting for you right now and you can avoid the fire and brimstone altogether.
We all here on this forum are praying for you.
Quote from: Bistabuster on June 13, 2013, 03:16:01 AMIf you choose to live that life of a lie and die before you know the real truth as to which we are trying to lead you to....
But unfortunately for him, with claims of having believed himself to have been a Christian, he obviously must have known enough about the real truth to know where the truth resides. Indeed he has been exposed to enough of the truth in this thread to perhaps be held accountable for it. It would be one thing if he were an ignorant 7th century SW Arabian desert dweller that had never heard the Gospel. I'm certainly not suggesting I can know God's judgment on anyone, but some may be saved through their abject ignorance:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
However Azeez has seen the truth and turned away from it:
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Seems perhaps the slave of the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah", that is Abdullah, will stand in judgment without excuse.
The truth is obvious, yet look at the choice he has made instead. A slave making and trading, child doing, mass murdering, female prisoner abusing, cutthroat thief:
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
Some interesting points Azeez made to me that proves that he himself knows nothing about Christianity AND Islam. Here are some of his own words.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 13, 2013, 06:40:41 PM
"We want you to go to heaven". Thank you. I want me to go to heaven as well.
You don't know who I am. You don't know my morals. You don't even know my religious background. Stop being so judgmental about me.
I grew up in a Christian home. We went to church every Sunday (and Wednesday if we could). In 2004 I converted to christianity. In 2008 I became a licensed Christian minister. I converted to Islam in 2011 because I used my brain and questioned my religious beliefs.
The people like you LOVE to pick apart someone else's beliefs and (especially mine
(Islam is "the most MISUNDERSTOOD religion" and the FASTEST GROWING religion).
While you are totally and completely unaware of the fact that thousands of Christians LEAVE Christianity FOR A REASON. This "reason" is the fact that christianity has SERIOUS problems.
And...
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 14, 2013, 01:47:43 PM
I REALLY do want to go to heaven whatever it takes.
Human life is PRECIOUS. Islam STRICKLY FORBIDS the slaughter of innocent human life.
You said "if u really were a Christian you wouldn't have left". Do you even know what Jesus even taught? Let me tell u what Jesus taught.
Jesus taught that you MUST not worship Jesus and believe that he is your God and yosavior (like u say he did). Jesus said u MUST OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS inorder to go to heaven: MATTHEW 19: 16-19
If Jesus was God the way to heaven was believe that Jesus is god and your savior and that he died on the cross to eliminate ur sins and free you from the responsibility of the consequences of ur actions
He would have told that man.
According to you...JESUS LIED about what we are to do to go to heaven.
Really?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 15, 2013, 12:57:05 PMI can admit I'm wrong if I'm proven wrong in a logical and reasonable manner.
I can reason with you.
I can debate christianity vs Islam in a logical and reasonable manner (I know christianity doctrine backwards and forwards).
So, you know Christianity backwards and forwards. OK. Let's see how true that is based that YOU SAID you were born in a Christian home and converted to Christianity. However, the point of you converting to Christianity cannot be proven since you obviously didn't accept Jesus in your life. Son, That is Christianity!
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 20, 2013, 04:23:45 PMTo answer your questions:
---myself and ALL MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE have these same beliefs (believe it or not)
-We worship the god of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob
-we believe very strongly that HUMAN LIFE IS PRECIOUS and MURDER IS WRONG
-We believe in Jesus (only true Muslims believe in Jesus and his message)
-We believe that Muhammad IS NOT above anybody (including Jesus).
-Our version of salvation is the same as all the prophets (Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and so on) "TURN FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS AND OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE ONE AND ONLY GOD OUR CREATOR.
Paul is a FALSE APOSTLE. He pissed on everything God has ordained
(righteousness through obedience to God's commandments sent to mankind to be a blessing that we may prosper in the land we live in.)
By making up his false gospel (I'm sure your plenty aware of his false gospel) "Jesus died for all of your sins. He saved you from the curse of the law".
Your religion offers this world NOTHING but irresponsibility.
Islam offers this world EVERYTHING GOOD THAT PLEASES THE GOD THAT MADE US and A SYSTEM OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY.
When I explained to him, yet again just as everybody else has, he called me this. I expect Islam to treat all in said manner. Never did get an apology. Go figure. ::)
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on July 08, 2013, 03:40:19 PM
You are an ignorant individual that is completely full of pride and you love God's creation more than God himself. You won't listen to anything I say. I have evidence that I can destroy christianity yet your ears, eyes and mind refuse to hear, see and understand the truth so that your soul will be saved. I feel sorry for your deaf/blind/(unable to comprehend) soul that refuses to listen.
Finally, his true motive come to light.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on July 27, 2013, 05:43:40 PM
If you can't understand that there is only one god and one god only......then I can't help you. If you keep rejecting the fact that the word Islam means "peaceful and loving submition to the one and only god our creator......them I again can't help you.
I don't want your Jesus. I do not need Jesus. If I go to hell for rejecting Jesus.....bring it on. I could honestly care less.
I think we are done here.
And...
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 03, 2013, 09:54:04 PM
Excuse my ignorance. I had the impression that you ACTUALLY gave a s**t about the truth. It turns out that YOU DON'T. You don't care about the truth because all you care about is your damn Jesus.
You think that your the 'only one' (between the two of us) that knows what the 'real' christianity (or Jesus) is....then wow. You are horribly deceived if you think your the only one among the two of us that knows the bible through and through.
Answer me this...."HAVE YOU GAVE ISLAM ANY CONSIDERATION WHATSOEVER AND HAVE YOU EVEN REMOTELY CONSIDERED THE REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT ISLAM MAY ACTUALLY BE CORRECT??
I finally got him to quote some verses in his Quran. Apparently, he doesn't know what they mean or he just simply ignores them. Here it is.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 04, 2013, 11:33:14 PM
Surah 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
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Surah 9:12-14
12
And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease.
13
Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.
14
Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people
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There ya go.
I don't appreciate being called a bitch. How dare you insult a complete stranger.
Jesus said
Matthew 7:16
"By their fruits you shall know them"
Arrording to muhammad your fruit sounds pretty rotten
Sahih Bukhari volume #1 book #2 hadith 33
(1) Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr: The Prophet said, "Whoever has the following four (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite and whoever has one of the following four characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy unless and until he gives it up. 1. Whenever he is entrusted, he betrays. 2. Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie. 3. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves treacherous. 4. Whenever he quarrels, he behaves in a very imprudent, evil and insulting manner." (Book #2, Hadith #33)
(Reference URL http://bit.ly/13QTme0)
If you haven't studied "Sahih Bukhari" or "sealed nectar"...then YOU SIR don't know A DAMN THING about Islam.
So, my fruits are rotten and Muhammad is a pure saint? Are you kidding me???
So, here we are wrapping it up.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 18, 2013, 08:43:37 PM
In done hearing your crap about your hatred towards islam. I am 100% SOLD OUT to Islam and nothing you can do or say will change my mind. I appreciate your concern for my salvation. I want to stop wasting your time and you need to stop wasting mine.
And
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 18, 2013, 09:06:30 PM
I'm going to tell you something that you've never heard before in your life.
YOUR DOWNFALL...
Your downfall is your constant and consistant misunderstanding of Islam, muhammad, God's plan of salvation, the true consistant message he's always told mankind and will always continue to tell mankind till the end of time. And the fact that you believe that every thing a Christian tells you about Islam is true.
ALL THAT WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.
I'm not saying this to threaten you. I only care about your soul the way you care about mine.
It is true that you only told me what you believed was right so that I may go to heaven.
What if your wrong.
That's a question I ask my self everyday. And everyday I'm reminded by logic/reason/reality that I am on the correct path being a Muslim and I assure you ....I WILL GO TO HEAVEN. if you don't heed my warning.....I'LL BE WATCHING WITH GRIEF AS YOU BURN IN HELL FIRE.
Please don't misunderstand this message. I care about you and I desperately want BOTH OF US to go to heaven.
And
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 21, 2013, 08:09:14 PM
Muhammad preached "there is one God. This god has no son. This god is no ones son.
It seems to me that you cannot even comprehend the blasphemy of saying "God had a son". "You must believe in God's son to be saved" "all you must do is believe in God's son's death and resurrection and YOU WILL go to heaven (unconditionally).
I call BULLs**t on all that crap.
I hate christianity.
I left christianity (the great whore of Babylon) and I am so happy I got the hell away from her.
I don't want anything to do with christianity anymore.
I love islam.
Stop wasting my time with your crap.
And
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 22, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
I know exactly what eastern and western islam are.
I never deceived you.
You deceived yourself.
I love Islam and I hate christianity.
I do want the truth..I hate to say but "I found the truth in Islam'.
YOU SIR are the one that is deceived.
Sounds like he knows without a doubt that Islam is the absolute truth, or does he?
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 23, 2013, 01:18:54 PMI desire to go to heaven. I will seek with all my heart For the path that leads to heaven. If I am on this path....may YOUR eyes be opened to the truth I have found. IF AND ONLY IF...my current path of Islam is in fact the path to heaven.
If? Are you saying you don't know? I know exactly where you will go IF you continue to follow Islam. Straight to hell! You know. He just doesn't grasp the situation as most any Muslim can't grasp it. My final point is that Azeez has the Islamic belief as to what Christianity is.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 26, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
The questions I want answers for are
1- is Jesus the literal flesh and blood son of God?
2- did god have sex with Mary to produce this literal flesh and blood son of God (let me remind you...similar event happened pre-flood with angels and humans)
3- if you were a king on this planet....what would be the reasons you would need to produce a son via sex with a woman.
4- with those reasons in mind...is God mortal? Will god's life expire as yours will?
5-based on your answers for 1-4 do you see the obserdity in believing that god
has a son.
6-why did the Romans accept Paul's version of Jesus's story so quickly? (hint: has to do with cult of Mithras).
And
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on August 27, 2013, 12:29:25 PM
I did a séance in march 2011 (one month before I converted to Islam).
I asked demons "is Jesus God"? "Is Allah God"? "Is Allah Satan"?
The answers were shocking to me
They said
YES
NO
YES
I asked them "are you telling me the truth"?
They said
"Get away from me".
This proved what the quran/hadith says "demons and unbelievers are partners with each other.
If I ask Jesus if he really is the way to heaven and is he gods son he would surely say yes because satan pushes Jesus as god. Satan wants you to believe that Jesus is god. Satan wants you to worship gods creation and not the creator himself.
I am thoroughly convinced that Islam is the correct path.
I did my homework. I know what's at stake and I am good with it because I have proof to prove me correct.
Please leave me alone. I don't wish to continue our conversation about Islam and Jesus.
So, you can see where he truly stands. He thinks we have three gods because he is too inept to study what it really means. He looks at religion as a logical approach. God doesn't work that way.
Isaiah 55:8-9
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways,†declares the LORD. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
His mentality is that god must follow the physical attributes the world is based upon. In order for God to have a Son, logic dictates that God MUST have sex with Mary for there is no other way, logically speaking! That goes AGAINST Isaiah's message. Azeez likes logical gods! I suppose that is why it is easier to keep a fold by telling people things they can understand.
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 13, 2013, 06:40:41 PMIslam STRICKLY FORBIDS the slaughter of innocent human life.
And of course the rub here is that no non-Muslim is innocent!
So either he doesn't get Islam or he is engaging in taqiyyah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4
Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise):
they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:
a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and
the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm
Please. Don't use that word. Taqiyya. He never answered me as to what that word meant. He probably doesn't know jizya either! ???
Quote from: Bistabuster on August 29, 2013, 01:49:09 PMSo, you can see where he truly stands. He thinks we have three gods because he is too inept to study what it really means. He looks at religion as a logical approach.
No Muslim can plead "logic" when they are compelled to believe Muhammad's preposterous tale of his unwitnessed ride on a flying donkey-mule from Mecca to Jerusalem, lied about praying in a temple that had been torn down 500 years previously, followed by a leg up to the chicken and wine serving bordello of Muhammad's overactive imagination that Muhammad called "paradise", and then back to Mecca by morning.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0
Quote from: Bistabuster on August 29, 2013, 01:49:09 PMGod doesn't work that way.
Isaiah 55:8-9
For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways,†declares the LORD. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.
His mentality is that god must follow the physical attributes the world is based upon.
Like flying donkey-mules, talking ants, talking birds, and the sun setting in a pool of murky water? Let alone the Egyptian apocryphal fable he plagiarized of Jesus speaking from the cradle.
http://www.petewaldo.com/fables_fantasies.htm
Quote from: Bistabuster on August 29, 2013, 01:49:09 PMIn order for God to have a Son, logic dictates that God MUST have sex with Mary for there is no other way, logically speaking!
Besides the hundreds of verses that declare it, they can't get around it.
They believe that Mary conceived Jesus, by the direct will of God. Let alone their ridiculous, ignorant and inflexible interpretation of the term "beget' and 'begotten". Since violence begets violence, does that mean violence has to have sex with violence?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=612.0
Quote from: Bistabuster on August 29, 2013, 01:49:09 PMThat goes AGAINST Isaiah's message. Azeez likes logical gods!
Then why did he pick the most extreme opposite of logical? The Quraish pagan's deity "Allah" (aka Satan) that has him prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen" in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad. Even compelled to travel to that black stone idol on the kaaba, march around it 7 times, and kiss it or at least point to it on each time around.
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj_umrah.htm
Engaging in thinly veneered pagan Arabian Star Family and jinn-devil worship:
http://www.petewaldo.com/hajj___umrah.htm#al_safa_al_marwah
Quote from: Bistabuster on August 29, 2013, 01:49:09 PMI suppose that is why it is easier to keep a fold by telling people things they can understand.
Lets not forget that Christians are pigs and Jews are apes. Something like that. May have it backwards. Also on the day of judgement all the Jews hiding behind rocks and trees need to be murdered. You know. I just love peaceful islam. Don't you?
Quote from: Bistabuster on August 29, 2013, 07:52:52 PM
Lets not forget that Christians are pigs and Jews are apes. Something like that. May have it backwards. Also on the day of judgement all the Jews hiding behind rocks and trees need to be murdered. You know. I just love peaceful islam. Don't you?
Did you direct him to the new site? There are several new subjects covered on it:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/
Also ask him where the logic is in believing this completely unwitnessed event:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0
The whole preposterous tale may have been created as a cover, when Muhammad was caught in an adulterous affair:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.msg13967#msg13967
Quote from: Azeez Abdullah on June 15, 2013, 12:57:05 PMI can debate christianity vs Islam in a logical and reasonable manner (I know christianity doctrine backwards and forwards).
QuoteIf Jesus was God the way to heaven was believe that Jesus is god and your savior and that he died on the cross to eliminate ur sins and free you from the responsibility of the consequences of ur actions
Muslims often lie about that because of their jealousy of the freedom we enjoy in a life in Christ Jesus, as seen through their bondage to the spirit of antichrist of Satan's "messenger" Muhammad, and the slavery they suffer from such as having to prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the "vain repetitions of the heathen", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.
Jhn 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
He is a lying antichrist that, contrary to his claim of knowing Christianity, expresses a profound ignorance to the things of the Spirit of God (as it should be (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Cr&c=2&t=KJV#14)), and also seems to harbor a deep seated hatred of Jesus.
1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that
the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Of which Muhammad was guilty of in spades, both "backwards and forwards"
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=879.0
My guess is our friend's disobedience may be a latent rebellion against his parents. There's certainly no rational explanation for him to follow a violent, imperialistic, murderous, anti-religion, with a history-devoid, scripture-contrary, archaeology-bankrupt, reality-rejecting, geographically-impossible Islamic so-called "tradition", that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history, yet was all created and put to the pen in the 7th to 10th centuries AD without reference to any actual historical record that preceded the 6th century AD.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0
His following Muhammad alone, through thinly veneered Arabian pagan rituals, and his STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record that proclaims the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, which IS NOT a path to the one true God of the Jews and Christians as He revealed Himself through ALL of the prophets and witnesses in His 1600 year record of revelation to mankind, that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years. A record that is well supported by history, archaeology and fulfilled prophecy, that is consistent with the physical geography, and can even be confirmed mathematically.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=68.0
After all, his running away from the forum to hide in personal messaging, was specifically so that he didn't have to face the truth that is revealed in here about the false prophet Muhammad and his concoction of the
anti-religion of Islam.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/