Excellent site, with tons of versions, that are particularly handy when a heterodox (delusional peace desiring "hypocrite" (http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#muslim_hypocrites)) Muslim tries to make the claim that you are quoting from a bad translation:
http://www.islamawakened.com/index.php/qur-an
Hadith search
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php
Quran search
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php
Quran search
http://www.islamicity.com/QuranSearch/
Glossary of Islamic terms
http://www.islam101.com/selections/GLOSSARY0.html
Quran.com
http://quran.com/
TheQuran.com
http://www.thequran.com/Read
Understanding the chronological order of the Quran is important since we can more clearly see Mohammed's recitations change from his earlier more peaceful ones, to his later violent ones after he began to spread Islam with the sword calling Muslims to slaughter non-muslims, as they have done (http://www.petewaldo.com/religion_of_peace.htm) for the last 1400 years.
Sura 8.67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
It is also important to understand, that when sorting out the many contradictions in the Quran, the later violent suras abrogate any pretense of peace one may find in the earlier suras.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0
This "submitters" site agrees with the chronological order but the wikiislam site could have lifted it from their site:
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/miracle/revelationorder.html
They also offer an example of the hodgepodge within individual suras themselves.
"Not only was the order of revelations of the suras (chapters) different than their order in the Quran, but also the majority of the suras were not revealed as a complete unit at once. For example, the first revelation was Sura 96, Verses 1-4, the second revelation was part of Sura 68." etc. etc.
If someone disputes the chronological order presented in these sites, please post the order they found, on this thread.
"The Quran is not in chronological order, but arranged roughly longest surah (chapter) to the shortest.
The following lists the chronological (or revelational) order of revelation of the Quran."
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Chronological_Order_of_the_Quran
Chronological Order - Surah Name - Number of Verses - Location of Revelation - Traditional Order
1 Alaq 19 Mecca 96
2 Qalam 52 Mecca 68
3 Muzammil 20 Mecca 73
4 Mudathir 56 Mecca 74
5 Fatehah 7 Mecca 1
6 Masad 5 Mecca 111
7 Takwir 29 Mecca 81
8 A'la 19 Mecca 87
9 Leyl 21 Mecca 92
10 Fajr 30 Mecca 89
11 Dhuha 11 Mecca 93
12 Sharh 8 Mecca 94
13 Asr 3 Mecca 103
14 Aadiyat 11 Mecca 100
15 Kauthar 3 Mecca 108
16 Takathur 8 Mecca 102
17 Ma'un 7 Mecca 107
18 Kafirun 6 Mecca 109
19 Fil 5 Mecca 105
20 Falaq 5 Mecca 113
21 Nas 6 Mecca 114
22 Ikhlas 4 Mecca 112
23 Najm 62 Mecca 53
24 Abasa 42 Mecca 80
25 Qadr 5 Mecca 97
26 Shams 15 Mecca 91
27 Bhruj 22 Mecca 85
28 T'in 8 Mecca 95
29 Qureysh 4 Mecca 106
30 Qariah 11 Mecca 101
31 Qiyamah 40 Mecca 75
32 Humazah 9 Mecca 104
33 Mursalat 50 Mecca 77
34 Q'af 45 Mecca 50
35 Balad 20 Mecca 90
36 Tariq 17 Mecca 86
37 Qamr 55 Mecca 54
38 Sad 88 Mecca 38
39 A'Raf 206 Mecca 7
40 J'nn 28 Mecca 72
41 Ya'sin 83 Mecca 36
42 Farqan 77 Mecca 25
43 Fatir 45 Mecca 35
44 Maryam 98 Mecca 19
45 Ta Ha 135 Mecca 20
46 Waqiah 96 Mecca 56
47 Shuara 226 Mecca 26
48 Naml 93 Mecca 27
49 Qasas 88 Mecca 28
50 Israa 111 Mecca 17
51 Yunus 109 Mecca 10
52 Hud 123 Mecca 11
53 Yousuf 111 Mecca 12
54 Hijr 99 Mecca 15
55 Ana'm 165 Mecca 6
56 Saffat 182 Mecca 37
57 Luqman 34 Mecca 31
58 Saba 54 Mecca 34
59 Zamar 75 Mecca 39
60 Ghafer 85 Mecca 40
61 Fazilat 54 Mecca 41
62 Shura 53 Mecca 42
63 Zukhruf 89 Mecca 43
64 Dukhan 59 Mecca 44
65 Jathiyah 37 Mecca 45
66 Ahqaf 35 Mecca 46
67 Dhariyat 60 Mecca 51
68 Ghashiya 26 Mecca 88
69 Kahf 110 Mecca 18
70 Nahl 128 Mecca 16
71 Noah 28 Mecca 71
72 Ibhrahim 52 Mecca 14
73 Anbiya 112 Mecca 21
74 Muminun 118 Mecca 23
75 Sajdah 30 Mecca 32
76 Tur 49 Mecca 52
77 Mulk 30 Mecca 67
78 Haqqah 52 Mecca 69
79 Maarij 44 Mecca 70
80 Naba 40 Mecca 78
81 Naziat 46 Mecca 79
82 Infitar 19 Mecca 82
83 Inshiqaq 25 Mecca 84
84 Rum 60 Mecca 30
85 Ankabut 69 Mecca 29
86 Motafefin 36 Mecca 83
87 Baqarah 286 Medina 2
88 Anfal 75 Medina 8
89 Imran 200 Medina 3
90 Ahzab 73 Medina 33
91 Mumtahana 13 Medina 60
92 Nisa 176 Medina 4
93 Zilzaleh 8 Medina 99
94 Hadid 29 Medina 57
95 Muhammad 38 Medina 47
96 Ra'd 43 Medina 13
97 Rahman 78 Medina 55
98 Ensan 31 Medina 76
99 Talaq 12 Medina 65
100 Beyinnah 8 Medina 98
101 Hashr 24 Medina 59
102 Nur 64 Medina 24
103 Hajj 78 Medina 22
104 Munafiqun 11 Medina 63
105 Mujadila 22 Medina 58
106 Hujurat 18 Medina 49
107 Tahrim 12 Medina 66
108 Taghabun 18 Medina 64
109 Saff 14 Medina 61
110 Jumah 11 Medina 62
111 Fath 29 Medina 48
112 Maidah 120 Medina 5
113 Taubah 129 Medina 9
114 Nasr 3 Medina 110
Scroll to the 26 minute mark in the following video to learn why chapter 9 does not begin with "In the name of Allah, most gracious most merciful."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y7rUrXF8Hg
What abou the bible :
No book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author--all have been in some way altered. The materialconditions under which a book was spread before the invention of printing (1440), the little care of the copyists, correctors, and glossators for the text, so different from the desire of accuracy exhibited today, explain sufficiently the divergences we find between various manuscripts of the same work. To these causes may be added, in regard to the Scriptures, exegetical difficulties and dogmatical controversies. To exempt the scared writings from ordinary conditions a very special providence would have been necessary, and it has not been the will of God to exercise this providence. More than 150,000 different readings have been found in the older witnesses to the text of the New Testament--which in itself is a proof that Scriptures are not the only, nor the principal, means of revelation. In the concrete order of the present economy God had only to prevent any such alteration of the sacred texts as would put the Church in the moral necessity of announcing with certainty as the word of God what in reality was only a human utterance. Let us say, however, from the start, that the substantial tenor of the sacred text has not been altered, not withstanding the uncertainty which hangs over some more or less long and more or less important historical or dogmatical passages. Moreover--and this is very important--these alterations are not irremediable; we can at least very often, by studying the variants of the texts, eliminate the defective readings and thus re-establish the primitive text. This is the object oftextual criticis
Quotewe can at least very often, by studying the variants of the texts, eliminate the defective readings and thus re-establish the primitive text. This is the object oftextual criticis
Perhaps you missed this part of your post. In other words we can have confindence that we know what was originally written using textual critiques. There is no ancient document in human history that has more attestation than the NT. There are over 5000 manuscripts that go back to the first three centuries in a score of languages. These texts all tell the same story we now have in our modern versions.
Now address the huge problems with the Koran. Like the fact that by Uthman's own addmission parts of the koran were left out and later the whole thing revised after 4 different versions had popped up including whole chapters that is not now found in the text.
QuotePerhaps you missed this part of your post. In other words we can have confindence that we know what was originally written using textual critiques. There is no ancient document in human history that has more attestation than the NT. There are over 5000 manuscripts that go back to the first three centuries in a score of languages. These texts all tell the same story we now have in our modern versions.
Now address the huge problems with the Koran. Like the fact that by Uthman's own addmission parts of the koran were left out and later the whole thing revised after 4 different versions had popped up including whole chapters that is not now found in the text.
no i didn't but if look closer you can see
QuoteNo book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author-
so in other words it was modifed .
QuoteNo book of ancient times has come down to us exactly as it left the hands of its author
By your own admission then the koran was modified.
I applaud your amazing ability to miss the point of the post. I never said that variants did not occur from the old manuscripts. What I said was that none of those variances challenge Christian doctrine. As the vast majority are spelling errors and the use of proper nouns as opposed to pronouns. None of those variances change any of our beliefs. And as I told you the art of textual criticism assures us that our Bible came down doctrinally intact.
QuotePerhaps you missed this part of your post. In other words we can have confindence that we know what was originally written using textual critiques. There is no ancient document in human history that has more attestation than the NT. There are over 5000 manuscripts that go back to the first three centuries in a score of languages. These texts all tell the same story we now have in our modern versions.
Now address the huge problems with the Koran. Like the fact that by Uthman's own addmission parts of the koran were left out and later the whole thing revised after 4 different versions had popped up including whole chapters that is not now found in the text.
did i speak of doctrine of christ-paganism ! no i didn't what i said that bible isn't gods word because as they it's modifted .
about doctrine i will speak abou that later .
bible isn't word of god :
This Is A Huge Mistake ., What You've Said Is Not Corners, This Is The DIRECTIONS.
Corners Meaning (The Position At Which Two Lines, Surfaces, Or Edges Meet And Form An Angle)
This Is The Definition Of Corners And It Means That The
Bible's Writer Didn't Know That The Earth Has A Sphere Shape And
Of Course This Is Against The Sience Which Mean That The Bible Is Not The Word Of GOD
QuoteThis Is A Huge Mistake ., What You've Said Is Not Corners, This Is The DIRECTIONS.
Corners Meaning (The Position At Which Two Lines, Surfaces, Or Edges Meet And Form An Angle)
This Is The Definition Of Corners And It Means That The
Bible's Writer Didn't Know That The Earth Has A Sphere Shape And
Of Course This Is Against The Sience Which Mean That The Bible Is Not The Word Of GOD
Isa 40:22 [It is] he that sitteth upon the
circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
The people inspired to write the Bible were well aware that the earth was round. Furthermore what I said is that the four corners of the earth is a turn of phrase that is still used today to mean ALL OVER THE WORLD. If you want to talk about the scientific innacuracies of books lets look at the koran and hadiths.
Tabari I:236 "When the sun rises upon its chariot from one of those springs it is accompanied by 360 angels with outspread wings.... When Allah wishes to test the sun and the moon, showing His servants a sign and thereby getting them to obey, the sun tumbles from the chariot and falls into the deep end of that ocean. When Allah wants to increase the significance of the sign and frighten His servants severely, all of the sun falls and nothing of it remains in the chariot. That is a total eclipse of the sun. It is a misfortune for the sun." Scientific ignorance and pagan influence.
Qur'an 18:83 "They ask you about Dhu'l-Qarnain [Alexander the Great]. Say, 'I will cite something of his story. We gave him authority in the land and means of accomplishing his goals. So he followed a path until he reached the setting place of the sun. He saw that it set in black, muddy, hot water. Near it he found people."
Quotedid i speak of doctrine of christ-paganism ! no i didn't what i said that bible isn't gods word because as they it's modifted .
about doctrine i will speak abou that later .
What I said is that most the variants in the text are SPELLING ERRORS. The variants do not change the meaning of the verses and hence the doctrines. And by your own admission the koran underwent its' own modification. This fact is attested by Aisha and Uthman.