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So much insult here.

Peace

If this isn't a blold-faced lie then tell us where we can find the bible versions you refer to, that eliminate the hundreds of verses that proclaim that Jesus is the Son of God

Here is my answer if you want: http://barnabas.net/

And here is a pic: http://www.google.com.tr/imgres?num=10&um=1&hl=tr&safe=active&rlz=1C1ARAA_enTR433TR433&biw=1024&bih=649&tbm=isch&tbnid=nU86YdpbIgJedM:&imgrefurl=http://www.habermonitor.com/tr/haber/detay/barnabas-incilinin-akibeti-nereye-varacak/117731/&docid=mDKNy1BEE6xXEM&imgurl=http://www.habermonitor.com/img/barnabas-incilinin-akibeti-nereye-varacak.jpg&w=400&h=268&ei=NfZhT4m8EI_dsgaFvKnhBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=322&vpy=307&dur=1158&hovh=184&hovw=274&tx=133&ty=90&sig=100523100119096550776&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=199&start=0&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0

And here is my question again:
Are finshed wiyh the Holy land thing?

Surah The Family Of Imran 3/45


45.   When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).



Which Muslim can say that?

So… Mekke is not Kabe. And you can’t find any archaeologic proof that Kabe hasn’t been existed before 4th centurty. Plus…. If it makes you happy, there was no city called Mekke at those days. Everybody knows this, you don’t have to try to prove that.

Anyway. Is the journey of Hz.Abraham topic closed? Or you still don't believ that?

When you say City you realy mean City in our times. So it is not Kabe or Mescid i Haram then.

How can you judge the truth by my searching the wrong things.

The Holy thing is here is not Mekke, it is Mescid i Haram and its surroundings is holy.
Come on brother you can't make a mistake like that.

You say before  4th century? Lets make it 14th century

Brother you are killing me noww

To question 1:
Because the angel told him to leave her and their son in the middel of the desert as a test. Just like he was tested with his dreams, killing his own son.

To your 2. question:

Hz. Abraham was a prophet. He has showen miracles. Even his people quit trying to kill him because of the miracles. And leave him alone. In Quran it says,

Surah The Cow2/260

260.   And when Ibrahim said: My Lord! show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: What! and do you not believe? He said: Yes, but that my heart may be at ease. He said: Then take four of the birds, then train them to follow you, then place on every mountain a part of them, then call them, they will come to you flying; and know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.

How can a man climp to every mountain. He was different from us. He was so special that he was mentioned in the books of Creator.

Look at he Hz.Solomon.
Surah The Ant 27/38-39-40
38.   He said: O chiefs! which of you can bring to me her throne before they come to me in submission?   
39.    One audacious among the jinn said: I will bring it to you before you rise up from your place; and most surely I am strong (and) trusty for it.   
40.   One who had the knowledge of the Book said: I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye. Then when he saw it settled beside him, he said: This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful; and whoever is grateful, he is grateful only for his own soul, and whoever is ungrateful, then surely my Lord is Self-sufficient, Honored.

I can easly say the prophets had special powers.

Brother I can show you churchs other than in Constantine.

You have the same situation there so don't charge us. The point our (you, us, Jews) pray houses dose not shows what we worship. What we worship is what we say.

I know you are worshiping God. I just wanted to show that examin such things does not take you to the right.

Peace

I know you are there.
It is a very simple question.

Do you worship sun?

Yes or no

So it isn't "only a direction". It is the direction of the Quraish pagan's kaaba in Mecca - JUST LIKE I SAID, and just like you confirmed in the above
You squandered all your effort vomiting out the Islamic fiction above explaining why it is THAT YOU DO prostrate yourselves to the Kaaba, even after you pretended the whole notion was "funny".

It is not pagan's Kabe. Why don't you read? It is the point where Hz.Adam build first selaad house.
Hope you can see this one.

To your, historical and archaeological proofs and ect...

Lets say you are right about city of Mekke. (I have no interest of history) So lets say you are right.
Quran also confirm that if you take serious check. (If you say Mekke and Kabe are different things)
Surah Abraham14\37

37.   O our Lord! surely I have settled a part of my offspring in a valley unproductive of fruit near Thy Sacred House, our Lord! that they may keep up prayer; therefore make the hearts of some people yearn towards them and provide them with fruits; haply they may be grateful:

And remember Hz.Hacer shout and cry for water, but there was nobody aroud to help. And there is not an Ayeth for the Hz.Abraham that he made a jurney. If you say Mekke is not Kabe I mean Mescidi Haram Quran confirms that. If you say Mekke is Kabe. Quran does not confirm that.

Here is question for you. Answer it if you can: Do you worship sun?

First of all, the word praying is not exactly right. The word selaad means: “remembering the God” In English we use it, but it is completely wrong. We do pray but selaag is not prayin. (I am so excited about your one sentence question. So I can make some expression mistakes)

The direction we selaad is the firs selaad house point where the Adam has made. I think you know the love story between Adam and Eve. After they meet gain in this word, (That point is also about 25 km far away from the Mescidi Haram.) Adam wanted to show his thankfulness to God and build a selaad house. (By the way, as proof of we don’t prostrate that house, Kabe’s shape is not in the original shape right now) This is the direction of the first prophet Adam’s selaade house and it also shows we believe every prophet till the begining of time.
At first our direction was Mescid-i Aksa. But in the middel of selaad Hz.Muhammed was ordered to change the direction to clear the ones who are not Muslim at that time. Let me clear this up for you.
At the old days Kabe was full of idols. And pagans had some rituels and they were doing them at the direction of Kabe plus the direction of Jerusalem. Some of the pagans have two religions. (In case the Jews and Christians right, they were worshiping God, too.) (You can find this kind of people in some parts of Asia (Pagan+an other religion)
And at that time there was pagan+Muslim people among Muslims. So God said (Not word for word. I am trying to write fast, I don’t have much time) “Where ever I say is Holy Land, it is Holy Land! if it is me who you are only worshiping, than obey what I say.” Than they changed the direction to Kabe. (By the way, the idols in Kabe were thrown out at that days)

And if you don't know the direction to Kabe it is not important. Quran says,

"Turn were ever you want, God is there..."


Plus there is an other thing but my time is up. Here Surah The Cow 2/143-144-145

143.   And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.


144.   Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.



145.   And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you shall most surely be among the unjust.

Quote from: Bornao on March 14, 2012, 04:59:10 AM

Is the black stone idol?

Yeah. You caught us. 

We worship that stone as much as you worship cross and Hz.Jesus statues.

You cannot deny that you ARE REQUIRED to prostrate

I am free about 33 min. Lets answer this one:


We don’t prostrate the black stone. (I don’t want to hurt you, but really you know nothing about Islam. That’s one of the reasons I can’t take you serious. I am trying but I can’t. You are not even reading what I wrote) There is not such things we prostrating black Stones, Kabe or something like that. You can’t image how funny it is. It is only a direction. As I said before you do the same thing. Churchs has the same thing. Come to Turkey with a compass and examine yourself, the old churchs has the same direction. But you quit doing that. Like many things has changed in the Bible you changed that, too. Here is the proof, exemin the very old churchs. Ok?
Let me clear this up for you…… If something happens to Kabe, lets say they carry all the stones, black, white, I mean ALL the stones. The direction never changes.
Let me clear this up in an other way…..
If you take Kabe, I mean carry the building to San Francisco, our new direction will NOT be San Francisco. Just like Jews will not chase you if you carry the wailing wall.

toward the Quraish's black stone idol and their Kaaba, 5 times a day, and you are also required to travel to it and march around it just as the Arabians did before Muhammad - as articles of your faith in Muhammad and his alter-ego "Allah".

As we see here, your researchs are not deep and objective enough to reliable. The Arabians who march around Kabe are not pagans. The were in way of Haniff. There can be pagans copying the tavaf, but they are away different from the Haniffs. Brother if you want to find the truth be objective.

You do it even as Mecca is 1,200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs, and over 1,000 kilometers away from where ANY of them are recorded as having traveled. This means it is a geographical impossibility that Islam or the Quraish's Kaaba ever had anything whatsoever to do with the God of the scriptures. It's origins are just as Arabian history, and even Islam's books tacitly attest.

Do you know what makes a land Holy? Prophets? No. Angels, miracles? No.
A land can only be Holy if God says so. And the Holy land which you know is not the only Holy land in the word. Do you think you know all the prophets? Tell me all the prophets are from the Holy land than I give the answer. And there wil be no historical prove of it.

Regarding idolatry in the church we have a whole forum category devoted to Roman Church false doctrine, including a thread on idolatry.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=75.0
Just one of a dozen parallels between the Roman Church and Islam
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0

Quote from: Bornao on March 14, 2012, 04:59:10 AM

Don’t be funny. Any Muslim, I say ANY MUSLIM who askes something other than ALLAH is NOT A MUSLIM. (Don’t tell me you don’t worship crosses. I KNOW THAT)

I said you VENERATE that black stone idol. The Arabian pagans VENERATED the very same black stone as well - along with 359 others.

Quote from: Bornao on March 14, 2012, 04:59:10 AM

If you want to know how your knowledge looks to Muslims watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=doL8AtLN9Aw

You don't even read my posts that you solicit, yet you expect me to spend my time watching a 55 minute video by some poor deluded young antichrist, who would be unable to show us any more history of Mecca or pre-Muhammad Islam than you have. I know this because I have been asking for such evidence of Muhammadans for 2 years now.

Looks like you have time for these. And when I said “If you want to know” I really mean if you want to know.

"Muhammad IS the prophet of the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and the jinn-devil idol worship hills of Safa and Marwah."

Is this a question?

Let me help you a littel bit. Here is a question (without links and ect.)

Do you think is the black stone (hacerulesfed) is an idol?

or

What about black stone hacerulesved, isn't it an idol?

This is a question. Pure and clear. Without any insult and any comment.

If you want to comment my answer post it without insults in it.

Here is an example of a comment.

"No, Bornoa I am not satisfy with your answer, because I think like this and like that.

If you say.... Those are pagan works look at that ling look at this one here in the history... bla bla bla...

I don't even read this kind of comments. I don't have time for this. I am not at home siting on acouch and having funn. I am realy busy.

Here, take a shot. For ones, I will answer your question either is it about Quran or not.

Are you answering my question examples?

So you quit?