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I have perfectly well understood that you do not understand a straight answer. Sorry for being so frank with you but you take it astray, and that is why I have to give you theses additional information every time I answer your questions.

And you certainly have plenty of fellow fruit in that tree which includes some who proclaim themselves to be Christians like Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, Jeremiah Wright, David Duke and the KKK along with Nazis, skinheads, Muslims, white supremacists, Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam, communist Soviets, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, and anti-Semites of all stripes!

Fellow fruits in that tree?
Are you saying that if YOU vote the same party as some mass murderers is voting for, then YOU to have plenty of fellow murderers fruit in that tree of evil murderers too? I am sure you vote for SOME political party, right? And if you do, then YOU have some fellow murderers fruit in that tree of evil to count for. Murderers are not only found to vote for one certain party you know. You are going to be judged by the judge you judge others with. You know that, right?

You can´t argue like that.

To believe that God is with one state more than an other state in this world is wrong. It is your heart he is interested in. Not your vote.

Even in the old testament God was not with any side in the wars of Israel against the gentile kingdoms at that time.

I do not know any Christians Arnold Murray. I googled his side, because of you mentioning him. Don´t know if he is the same as you speak about all the time, but If he is the one that I found some material on yesterday, then:
I don´t join memberships like the one I found in the name Arnold Murray. I believe in giving the message of Gods love for nothing. To me all preachers who take money for the love letter are adulterers. We, the church, is a SHE, and we are not allowed to take money for the knowledge, if you understand what I mean.

Eve was the tree of knowledge. Adam knew Eve. Of cause the serpent first knew Eve, but the tree of knowledge is the woman. When they were cast out of the garden they were no more allowed to eat of the tree of life ALSO. The tree of knowledge was their only hope then.
The tree of knowledge was their only chance of getting back to the fellowship with the tree of Life. In straight words, the woman, the tree of knowledge, conceived the tree of Life. Jesus Christ.
The woman who came with the fall, also came with the solution. As it is written: She shall be saved through CHILDBEARING. A child is born, a son is given. Well that kind of speech we only speak amongst the grown up children of God.
I CORINTHIANS 8:2-3 And if any man think that he KNOWETH any thing, he KNOWETH nothing yet as he ought to KNOW. But if any man love God, the same is KNOWN of him.
That´s deep thoughts from Paul right there.

JOSHUA 5:13-14 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay;
Nay, none of you two fighting parts. And that was even in the old testament. Israelites after the flesh and gentiles after the flesh, fighting each other in the flesh. Nay.

The spiritual minded man is lifted above the carnal fight against flesh and blood.
EPHESIANS 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I believe this might take both me and the Angel of the Lord out of you group of evil workers. We are not against you. Not against any kingdom on earth. We are for the world, through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I CORINTHIANS 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
Not trying to save the world through taking political stand for or against some man made state.
When Jesus comes in the clouds, he will come with his City, Jerusalem down from above. That is my Israel. That is my city. That is what I fight for and count myself a citizen of. Nothing else. No man made states created by the acceptance of FN, EU or US. Powers who lose their power.
In my kingdom my king never loses his power because of the lack of votes, lack of health, lack of life power or because of death. Jesus Christ is coming back to earth. And when he comes, he is coming as The King. Not as a lamb. That is now past tense. You cant draw my attention to anything else, then he who was hidden to their eyes in the skyes. My eyes are focused on the skyes till he come back from there. And when he comes, then it is to late to take a stand for the Israel of God, the new creation. The new kingdom. If his kingdom was of this world, his servants would fight for him.
JOHN 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Amen and hallelujah.

After seeing that you follow Branham I moved it back into this section

I am a follower of Jesus Christ, and him alone. I listen to my brothers.

I have been listening to my brother Branham, and he gives a lot of good thoughts to the christian world. But they just wont listen, would they? They cut him of before having the chance of listening to what he have to say. At least today, that is. Just like Pilate did to Jesus. Pilate asked the right person, Jesus, what is truth, and went out again... He was so occupied with his own judgement that he had not time listening to Jesus Christ the true God.

I realize how guilt might make you want to try to excuse away and soft-peddle, the reality of your doctrine, and subsequent belief in an unjust God. It would make me feel pretty lousy inside too.
So who is it? Jews ..... errrrr Kenites? Zionists? Please don't obfuscate.

No, not at all. No guilt and no excuse away... I have been saying all along that the good generation of the Israelites have been destroying their advance of being sons of God by mingling themselves with us gentiles.
If you want me to say that Kenites are the sons of Cain, then that doesn´t matter, do it. All sons of Cain were killed in the flood. The thing that matter regarding the flood is that Ham took himself a daugther of the sons of man. He took himself a daughter of the generation of Cain. And that is what survived the arch. A woman with the genes of Cain. Ham became the forefather of the canaanites. Do you understand what I am saying? The nature of the canaanites is a mingling between a son of God and a daughter of man. That´s why there were giants on earth. Look at the Liger. It bigger that both tigers and lions. That´s what mingling produces. Giants. Not only in the days of Noah, but also later there were giants, the bible say. Why also later, when they were wiped out? Because of this one lady in the arch of Noah.

There were Seven clean couples and one unclean of ALL kinds of living creatures in the arch. And there were seven clean human beings and one was unclean. That makes it 8 souls as it is written. 8 souls saved through water.

And now the answer to the covenant genes changing question.

How did the genes of this group change as a result of the new covenant?

The power of the sinfull flesh was ended in a simular way that the devil lost his power over the believers. By being cast down from the spiritual heaven and earthly/dusty heaven if you understand that term of speaking.
When that happened, the power of the spirit of evil is destroyed in OUR lives. How can I say that? Because of my point of view into the scriptures.
Do believe, when I speak to you of earthly things. Otherwise you wont be able to believe the spiritual things:
God spoke to the serpent and he said: On your belly you shall go. Dust shall you eat. The seed of the woman shall bruise your head.

Now lets look at the new testament to see what happened in the image of the condemnation of the serpent and the serpent seed.
Judas was the seed of the serpent. He who was called a devil, went and hang himself. Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree, the bible say. Now he was hanging between heaven and earth. From there he was cast down to earth. And when that happened, he fulfilled the prophecy of being the seed of the serpent. Cursed to be cast down from heaven. His head was bruised agains the roch, when he was cast down and hit the ground. His belly was split open. On your belly you shall creep. His stomach came out and you can imagine how accurately that now 6000 years old prophecy from the beginning, now is proven to happen to the dot. Dust shall thou eat. In direct tirms; you shall die, falling to the ground in such power that you will be split open when hitting the earth. He went back to the dust. The nature of the flesh was put to death on the cross. On the tree. The power of the nature of the serpent seed was destroyed by Jesus Christ. He was the one who sent Judas out to the outer darkness.

The bible tells us that we were powerless because of the flesh. But now in Christ Jesus, we have been taken out of the flesh. We are circumcised away from our flesh. We are now in the spirit. That is what changes us. The power of circumcision made, not by hands, but by the power of the living God. Amen.

Revelation 12:10 say: the accuser is cast down. 11 They (the believers) overcome him (the accuser) by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony. 12 Rejoice ye heavens and ye that live in them (thats us). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and the sea.(The sea is the sea of men).
Those in Christ overcome the old dragon, the rest of the world is in darkness if do not se Christ appears in the clouds of witnesses, before he appear in the clouds.
The circumcision done by hands is not the circumcision that God was interested in. They were circumcising their problem, the lust of the flesh. It was an image of what was their sin. The serpent nature of the flesh. And it was an image of things to come. The spiritual circumcision of the heart. Not by hands. Romans 2. 28 For he is not a Jew, who is it outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh.
And 1.Peter 4:2 That he(the christians) should no longer live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lust of men, but to the will of God.

For when we WERE in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit into death. Romans 7:5

That is why God revealed himself in flesh. To end the power of the flesh by transferring us into the spirit of the second Adam. The spirit of God was given into our breast when he breathed his words upon us.
We are now sons of God. Not after the flesh, but after the spirit. And that is the secret. God is spirit. We are now the spiritual generation of the second Adam, Jesus Christ. Amen.

I realize how guilt might make you want to try to excuse away and soft-peddle, the reality of your doctrine, and subsequent belief in an unjust God. It would make me feel pretty lousy inside too.

No guilt here. I feel good. I love God and I am very happy for ever being allowed to understand the thoughts of God. The will of God. Given to me from Gods point of view.
His thoughts are not our thoughts. Leave your own thoughts and come up to him, in his thoughts. As heaven is higher than earth. His thoughts are higher then our fleshly minded thoughts.
Talking about guilt. I can do nothing about the fact that God wiped out the whole world of human beings, in the days of Noah. Do you feel guilty of that happening? God only kept Noah and seven other people in that arch. No guilt here.
The creator of every atom knows everything. His judge is just. He prevented evil chaos with the power of chaos from God. And a new clean earth appeared from the God of order.
But now today we have the same situation. The moon have been "used to see" blood shedding all NIGHT long. The sun have been turned to "se" / used to se darkness in the hearts of man all DAY long. They are thinking of evil dark thoughts in brought day light. This evilness will be stopped by God in his time by the fire of God. From heaven. Not any political power, but by the power of God in heaven, evilness on earth will be wiped out some day.
This realy dont make me feel lousy inside. It is a good thing that God is going to deal with the spiritual evilness of murderers of this world again. The second time by fire from heaven.
No more pain. No more sadness...
New heavens and a new earth where righteousness dwelleth.

what does your god teach, is the primary distinction between the seed of Cain and the seed of Able?

Good and evil is the distinct difference between the seed/generation of Cain and the nature of Abel, as foretold by God. Do not eat of the tree of knowledge of GOOD and EVIL. There only are these two children to look at to learn good from evil in the beginning. They are the fruits of the tree of knowledge.
Eve was the tree of knowledge. When she was known, children began to be born.

Study the law of the fig tree and you will discover a certain difference between this kind of tree and other trees. Another law within it. Not quite like the bee and the flower.

As far as we know it, when reading the bible we find that the seed/generation of Cain was EVIL. The seventh from the serpent, the sixth from Cain also was a murderer. And he was even seven times seven worse than his forefather, Cain who should be revenged seven times if anyone killed him.
The sign of Cain was his wife. Cain got his wife from Adam and Eve. Cain was made holy because of this holy wife of his. This also is according to the new testament statements.

Abel did never got time to have children. So we never came to know the nature of his seeds, his children. He did not get any. But we do know that the nature of Abel was GOOD. You have got the New testament statement on that one too.

We know the nature of the seed of Abel by the life of Abel thou. A good tree CANT bear evil fruits and vise versa. The life of Abel became an image of the offering of Jesus Christ. The message of Death became the message of Abel.

The message of Seth is the message of resurrection. A man PUT IN THE PLACE OF ABEL. A man raised in the plase of Abel. So the generation and the nature of Seth have to be counted as the nature of the seed of Abel. Seth was put there in his place. And he did it well.
GOOD SEED. The generation of Jesus Christ.

All I could glean from your post is that sinners are today's progeny of the seed of Cain.
But then that would suggest than non-sinners would be the progeny of the seed of Able.
But since there is no such thing that would make us all seed of Cain.

The nature of sin is all from the serpent. Adam was the nature of God. There is no sin in God. No sin in the nature of God. No sin in Adam.
The people of God, the sons of God, inherited their sinful nature from their forefathers...1.Peter 1:18 Not from Adam. So, in the beginning the sons of Adam were not sinner by nature, as also the scripture says wery clear:
GALATIANS 2:15
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

The sinful nature is not from Adam but from the forefathers. The Jewish forefathers who mingled themselves with gentiles. They mingled the holy seed with gentiles all the time. And that corrupted them to the bones.
In Eden, Eve and the serpent. At the time of Noah, Ham and his wife of man. At the time of Abraham, Esau and his error in taking himself gentile wives. At the time of Moses and so on... They corrupted their good nature by mingling themselves with gentiles.

The holy generation came from Seth. Seth in the place of Abel. Seth is the image of the ressurrection of Abel. Which also his name means. And Seth also was a man in the image of Adam, the son of God. He was a God son like his Father.

Cain was a murderer like his father, the serpent. The serpent killed Eve, well knowing that doing what he did, would cause her to die. He, the serpent did have that murderer nature, not Adam.
Adam was the savior of his own body. Adam saved his wife through childbearing. He started that new testament scripture saying that the woman shall be saved through childbearing. That was Adam.
Adam gave Eve the seed which was able to save her. The generation of Jesus Christ. She is to be saved through childbearing. Adam knew that. And she at last gave birth to the savior Jesus Christ.
She, the woman. But not that first woman, Eve.

The serpent was that close to human beings that it was possible to deceive Eve and even have a child with her. Beauty in the garden of Eden is all about bearing the image of God. The serpent did come close to the beauty of God. Adam was that beauty image of God.
So, you might call that serpent the missing link if you want. He was that missing link between mankind and the beasts of the field. The blood type of the serpent was a rhesis blood. Adam and eve were both the same blood. o negative.
Crack that code if you can. Without the bible you wont find this answer anywhere. The bible is the only book with giving such detailed info as far back as 6000 years with genes info from genes sis.
You might have heard about the mule. It is not in the original creation. Its a mix animal just like a liger is a result of a tiger and a lion.
Neither was the thorns and thistles in the original finished creation. They were allowed to exist after the word of God. They became a reality after Eve bearing Cain. Cain was the thorn and thistle in the side of his brother. The gentiles are called the thorns in the bible. We, the gentiles are the ones that God ponished Adam with, by letting us live... Letting Cain live.

The thorn in the flesh of Paul was a man, an unbeliever, who did not believe the gospel. He followed after Paul where ever he went, to make sure that the life of Paul was not without pain. Also foretold and after the will of God.

Hopefully this will specify and straighten it all out for you, and open your eyes for the sad news. The garden of eden realy became corrupted with sin by the beast that Adam called the serpent, long before Eve, the tree of knowledge, was even taken out of his side yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKxdep4-2w

Why does God say the serpent has seed?
I'm not making any claims about Cain being the seed of Satan,but if Satan has seed,then he can have children.Right?

Cain was not the seed of Satan. He was the seed of the serpent. Satan is a spirit. The serpent was a beast of the field. An animal. Flesh and blood. What is born of flesh is flesh. What is born of spirit is spirit.  Cain was born of the will of flesh, the serpent sedusing Eve. Abel was born of the will of Man, Adam chosing to save his wife through childbearing. Jesus was born by the will of God.