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Pete Waldo: the founder of this forum and most (if not all) of those anti-Islamic sites he promotes.

He says "if you feel I am preaching lies, join the forum and tell us".

This is a bunch of crap.

He says he wants the truth.  Yet he defends lies.

He attacks my faith (Islam) by constantly beating around the bush and avoiding issues of doctrine and morality.  This is what ministers are trained to do "attack attack attack, never defend the bible because you'll lose badly"

I can and will DESTROY Christianity.

If you are reading this Pete Waldo...lets do my proposal I offered u in Private Messaging on this forum: "I attack Christianity by my future websites...if you can defeat my attacks, I will re-vert back to m former faith (Christianity)".

PETE

Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AMcan you make a list of all the reasons Muhammad's followers kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca?

Muhammad's followers kissed the stone because he did kissed it.  Idk why muhammad kissed the stone to begin with and I seriously don't care.

If your implying that I worship a black stone....your wrong.

Muhammad's god is the God of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, and Jesus.

I worship the god of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses and Jesus also.

Islam is STRONGLY OPPOST TO THE WORSHIP OF ANYTHING/ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ONE TRUE GOD.

Quote from: Mike S on May 09, 2013, 01:55:23 PMAzeez, how do you know that it was God that showed you the vision, and not Satan, since Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light?
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:14 (KJV)

I don't think you read the part where I said he told me to examine my beliefs and search out the truth.

Will Satan ever tell anybody to "examine your beliefs and search out the truth because the truth stands out distinct from error.  The truth will always prove itself to be true."??

#mike

Faith only?  Really.  So your saying that in order to go to heaven all I must do is commit the greatest sin (worship a created being as God) and I don't have to worry about repenting for any of my past sins?   Ie...I can sin all I want because my belief in Jesus (a created being) as God is good enough.

PeteWaldo.  Have you ever considered the possibility that you may be wrong?  Would you be sorely disappointed if you got to heaven and they turned you down because you loved not the truth??

All I want is the truth.  Truth will always prove itself to be true.

Before you try to mow down my words with your biased-ness consider the words of the following article

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?id=119792&page=articles

Allaah the All-Mighty Says (what means): "This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” [Quran 5:3]
   
This was one of the last verses revealed chronologically to Prophet Muhammad  , marking the completion of the Quran and the perfection of Islam. Islam is complete and perfect and is not thereafter susceptible to addition or abrogation. Being eternal and universal, the Islamic Law, which was made by God (Allaah) Himself, Who knows what is best for us under all circumstances, is resilient and adjustable to the changing conditions of time and place.

The perfection of Islam is manifest in the fact that God (Allaah) has made it reign supreme and prevail over other religions. Allaah’s favor upon the Muslims is manifest in the fact that He granted them true guidance, support and honor in this world and in the Hereafter. He has also chosen for them Islam as their religion because it is the Truth, and it is for this reason that He will not accept any other religion but Islam.

The Quran says (what means): "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the life to come he shall be among the losers.” [Quran 3:85].
   
Islam gives its followers happiness in this world and eternal bliss in the life to come. Islam simply means total submission to the Will of Allaah. Therefore, it is the same in essence, whether given to Nooh (Noah), Ibraaheem (Abraham), Moosaa (Moses), 'Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt their mention, or to Muhammad . For the message it calls to is the same, and the source of unity is the revelation from Allaah (which means): "He has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He enjoined on Noah, and that which We have revealed to you, and which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses and Jesus: namely that you should remain steadfast in religion and be not divided therein.” [Quran 42:13]
   
After the corruption of the older Scriptures, the Quran came with a twofold purpose -- to confirm the true and original message of Islam, and to stand as a witness to it, by confirming the truth and rejecting the falsehood, which over time came into the older Scriptures. Muslims are required to believe in the revealed Scriptures and to make no distinction between any of them, or the Messengers who brought them, may Allaah exalt their mention, because they all come from the One True God.

The Quran says (what means): "Say (O Muhammad to the Jews and Christians): 'We believe in Allaah and that which has been sent to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and to Al-Asbat, (the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob) and that which has been given to Moses and Jesus, and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam).” [Quran 2:136]
   
These Scriptures have not been retained in their original form, due to the human omissions and additions that have crept into them. The Quran is the only Divine Scripture, which has stood the test of time without any change, because it is the Truth from God (Allaah), and the Truth never fades or diminishes. The Quran says (what means): "That which We have revealed to you (O Muhammad) of the Book (i.e., the Quran) is the Truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it.” [Quran 35:31]
   
The Truth contained in the Quran will never be compromised because Allaah has taken upon Himself the responsibility of preserving it, as stated in the Quran (which means): "Verily We have sent the Reminder (i.e., the Quran), and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” [Quran 15:9]

And also (what means): "Verily, it is an honorable well-fortified book of exalted power (because it is Allaah's Speech, and He has protected it from corruption). No falsehood can approach it from before or after it: it is sent down by the All-Wise, Worthy of all praise.” [Quran 41:41-42]
   
The revealed Scriptures before the advent of Prophet Muhammad  such as the Torah and the Injeel, were written long after the demise of the Prophets to whom they were revealed. The entire Quran, on the contrary, was completely written in the lifetime of the Prophet  on pieces of palm trees, parchments and bones. Besides, tens of thousands of the Prophet's Companions committed it to memory while it was being revealed.

The Quran is still memorized and read in its original language

(Arabic) and taught to millions of people around the world. In fact, with every succeeding generation of Muslims, the number of those who have committed the entire Quran to memory has increased. There is no other book, religious or otherwise, which has been given this unparalleled care in recorded history.
   
The care with which the unadulterated teachings of Islam have been authentically recorded and preserved throughout the ages, is a clear evidence of the universality of the message of Islam and the finality of the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad . The Quran is now available in its original form without change of any kind. The perfect preservation of the Quran signifies the preservation of Islam.

That is why Allaah Says in the Quran (what means):  "Verily the only acceptable religion to Allaah is Islam." [Quran 3:19]

Oneness of the Lord

Islam calls to the belief that the Creator of the universe is One and Unique without any partners. His nature is so sublime that it is far beyond our limited conceptions. He is not a mere abstract of philosophy. All the creatures testify to His Existence, and none is comparable to Him. The unity of design and the fundamental facts of creation and existence of the universe proclaim His Oneness.

He is Eternal, without beginning or end, the Absolute, Who is not limited by time or place or circumstance. He is the Creator, the Sustainer and the Planner of the whole universe. None has the right to be worshipped except Him. He has the most Beautiful Names and the Loftiest Attributes. His Knowledge extends to everything seen and unseen, present and future, near and far. His Grace and Mercy are unbounded. He is the All Mighty, the All Wise.

The Quran says (what means): "Say: 'He is Allaah, the One; Allaah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; and there is none equal or comparable to Him.” [Quran 112:1-4]

And also (what means): "There is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing.” [Quran 42:11]

And also (what means): "He is the First (nothing is before Him), the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him). And He has full knowledge of all things.”  [Quran 57:3]

And also (what means): "He is Allaah, besides Whom none has the right to be worshipped, the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He is Allaah besides Whom none has the right to be worshipped, the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allaah! (High is He) above what they associate as partners with Him. He is Allaah, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is All-Mighty, the All-Wise.” [Quran 59:23-24]

And also (what means): "And they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified! (For He is) above what they attribute to Him! He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have a son when He has no wife? He created all things, and He has full knowledge of everything. Such is Allaah, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone). And He has the power to dispose of all affairs. No vision can grasp Him, but His Grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Subtle, Well-Aware.”  [Quran 6:100-103]
   
Tawheed, or monotheism, constitutes the essence of the teachings of Islam. It signifies that there is One Supreme Lord of the universe. He is Omnipotent and the Sustainer of the world and humankind. Unity pervades the whole universe. All of Allaah's creatures testify to His Oneness. This can be seen in their complete submission to His Will.

The perpetual succession of day and night in the most orderly manner; the fixed course of the sun and the moon; the mighty stars; the ceaseless alternation of the seasons -- the functioning of the whole universe including its most subtle elements in a most precise and systematic manner tell us about the Wisdom, Power, Greatness and Divine skill of this Great Creator, Who is Allaah.

Lets explore my conversion story and let's examine the reasons I left christianity.

I converted to Christianity in 2006.

In 2009 God showed me a vision in which he showed me a family working all their life to achieve heaven and when they arrived at heavens gates they were turned away because the religious beliefs they held on to where not true.

After that he told me to question my beliefs and search out the truth.
He quoted the Quran 2:257 "Truth stands out distinct from error".

I went on a two year quest learning every religion connected to Jesus Christ by studying their respected sources of doctrine.   All Christian based religions were defeatable.  Islam has proven itself undefeatable.

I wasn't changing the subject.  My question is revelant.  Answer the question and I'll show you how it's revelant.   Trust me.

Reply to understanding Moslems

Quote from: PeteWaldo on May 05, 2013, 08:37:04 AM

Azeez that is untrue since Muhammad proclaimed the exact opposite of the whole subject of the Gospel - indeed the whole bible.

I beg to differ Pete.

Let me start by asking you a question.

What problem was God continuously having with the children of Israel?

Surely you aught to know the answer to this question.

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I'd like to point out to all of you that I very seriously doubt that a "Muslim" wrote that article about quran aledgelly being the 666.

If he was a Muslim then he has a wrote in error about a topic in which he knows nothing about.

Muhammad is not the antichrist/beast/666.  I can provide irrefutable evidence to prove his innocence of being called antichrist/beast/666.