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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqSLx7Z4r9s&t=957s

No need to answer that or those questions.  Paradise doesn't exist and neither did a 90 ft Adam either!

Islam is clearly murderous!

Sura 5:32 is my favorite one.  I use Sahih references which mean authentic or genuine.  That way, they (Muslims) can't say I got the wrong material!

Sura 5:32 
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land â€" it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one â€" it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

They use this verse, but only a portion of it leaving off this part thinking that I never read the Quran.

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that......

Then when we ask what the next verse says, we get the "Deer in the headlight" look!  Muslims appear to be clueless about it but when we quote it to them either they say we are taking it out of context or we don't understand the true meaning of the verse or they just simply walk away mad!

Here is 5:33

Sura 5:33
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

They clearly don't want to talk about this one when Muslims and Islam is accused of terrorism.

Quote from: PeteWaldo on June 30, 2016, 08:01:32 AM
"It is common knowledge that only God is worthy of worship, yet the
Koran teaches that Iblis or Satan was cast out of heaven for his refusal to
worship Adam (Sura 2:34; 7:11-13; 38:72-77)."

Kinda counter productive.

Potato Muslim is attempting to convert you to Islam.

Potato isn't really listening to you.  No matter what you say, he cannot change for he is totally immersed in Islam.  He has convinced himself that there is no other path and Muhammad is the only true path. 

He also tests the waters with the Quran.  He believes every word, regardless of the contradictions, is true BUT, if the same type of writings were found in the Bible, such as the writings of Paul, they CANNOT be trusted.....that is.....if only those very exact same words were written in the Quran.

Look.  Here is an example. 

Sura 2:107  Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.

Sounds pretty clear that there is only one god and NOBODY ELSE was in on the power allah can do because anybody else is not god.  Only god is god, referring to allah here.  If there is any creation or whatever to be done, allah alone does it.  Nobody else.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

"Let us make man in our image"  Us?  Are you insinuating that God and some others created man?  What blasphemy!

ALL MUSLIMS will have a field day about that one!  You see?  Christians believe in multiple gods and they must have added that statement in there as well thus making the Bible corrupt since the Quran specifically states that there is only ONE GOD!!!!!  Therefore, this is one example why Christianity is false and Islam is the true path!  Christians believe in multiple gods and I just proved it to you in your own book.

Let's move on.  What I didn't tell you is Sura 2:106. 

Sura 2:106  Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?


This verse, I know Pete knows all about but it is not the meaning of the verse in whole I'm concerned about.  It is the ONE BIG ERROR  that no Muslim can see unless it is written in the Bible. 

Just one word.  This is the error NO MUSLIM can comprehend! 

"We"

First off, notice We is capitalized IN ALL TRANSLATIONS!!!  In the very next verse it contradicts what has just happened here.  In 206, allah has a helper(s) whereas 207 says allah needs no helpers.  Allah can do it all by himself yet allah changed his words via a helper. 

The question is....."Who helped allah?  Who is WE?"  Muslims like to explain this away by saying "We" is a title given to allah.  Well, if you want to play that game, then I say "us" in Gen 1:26 is a title as well to God!  Two can play this game!

To me, Muhammad is the one. 

Potato Muslim or any other Muslim if they saw these very same words in the Bible (Sura 2:106-107) will just tear the Bible apart, piece by piece yet since these words ARE in the Quran, it's OK.  Things like this, as bad as a contradiction as it is (there are worst ones than this), there is ALWAYS an explanation to it.  That is.  Only if allah, er, Muhammad had said it.

So, as much as I would like Potato M to become a Christian, I think he is far to gone to be able to see beyond the Islamic lenses and see the real truth. 

Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

God could have very well have hardened his heart so that he can never see the truth ever again.  It's time to let him go and move on to the next one.  There are only so many seeds we can plant in him but he has got to want it and Potato Muslims doesn't want it at all.

You and I know one day he will know Jesus is Lord of all.  He will wish that he knew that before that day arrived for he can no longer change his mind. 

I know Muhammad realized the HUGE mistake he made when Muhammad arrived on his day!  I bet he wanted to go back and rewrite history!

Somehow, this president of the United States is going to tell us it is NOT Islamic!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will not deny Christ.  They can only kill me once.

My question to you, bahous, is why are you trying to rewrite the Bible but will not see the errors in your own books?  You say the Bible is corrupt but the Quran isn't. 

Then, if what you say is true, then we have two questions.  Why is the Quran telling Muslims that the Bible (the Torah and the Injeel) are allah's words? 

Second question.  If you say those books were lost, how come the Quran doesn't specify this little fact yet it still tells you this!

Sura 5:47  Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fasiqun (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allah.

So, Where is this elusive Torah and Injeel Muhammad spoke so highly of?  I want to read it. 
The only record Muhammad had to be talking about was the Bible. 

That is, unless you can produce a copy of the reference material Muhammad was actually talking about.

Another question for you.  Have you read the Torah and Injeel as specified in Sura 5:47?  No?  Is that because it was lost?  How come allah didn't know that? 

Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, one can never understand the deity of Jesus Christ.

With that said, forcing an individual to convert to Christianity is no good.
If an atheist converted to Islam, there is no change to the heart.  You're still separated from God.  Your heart really hasn't changed. 

Well, at least one very good one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xz3f8PQL20

Quote from: PeteWaldo on February 23, 2014, 01:39:14 PM

Quote from: Bistabuster on February 11, 2014, 04:07:37 AM
I guess this shows the pure intelligence they have.

There you go with the "they" as the whole group again, while talking about their intelligence as a group.
If you want to talke about the statics of Muslims inbreeding and such that is fair game. But just a "they are this" or "they are that'.

Quote from: Bistabuster on February 11, 2014, 04:07:37 AMWith today's technology, how can you be this ignorant to illogical stupid statements that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and call it truth?

If you want to talk about the display of intelligence of the Jew hating bigot Muslim cleric in the video, he has made himself fair game.

Any Muslim who believes in the illogical stupid statements that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever deserves my statement! 

If they had any intelligence, they wouldn't be following or worshiping Islam!

It must be.  He left and didn't answer that question!

Goes to show you who Muslims really worship!

I read your books. How about reading ours?  Not just the parts you like. All of it.

Looks like he left. Unable to answer simple questions.

Thanks!

If Muhammad said Jesus was the Messiah, would you believe him?  The Bible is NOT about Muhammad.  It is about Jesus only.

Reason being, they can't answer it!

I did make sure that what I said was speculation.  Not absolute.  If you read it again, I made it clear that I was not date setting.  Just throwing out a possibility that could be very well wrong!

What is true is what was written as of to date at the time of that writing.  Facts were given.  From that point on forward, I don't know.  What I wrote about the future I cannot guarantee.  It's just a possible outcome, not an absolute. 

It was not meant to be that way.

No.  I have no clue when His actual return will be.  It could be 3 years, 5, 10, 50 or even 100 years.  But what I do know as a FACT is that we are indeed within the last generation so the possibility of me seeing His return is greater than ever.  Even Ellis told me personally that we will not get to old age before the return of Christ. 

To say this...
Matt 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:32  But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Means to me that we will not know the exact moment of His return but we can certainly know the season.  These two verses are saying the DAY and the HOUR.......not the season!! 

Is it true that the return of Christ can happen right now?  Absolutely.  You are describing the season, in this case, the last generation of which we are in right now!!! 

So, can I point out the EXACT DAY and YEAR of His return?  No way!  And if I do, it will be the luckiest guess of all time!  So, I am not going to play that game.  I'll just stick with the season. 

This plays right into Biblical prophecy. 

Hey Pete.  How are you? 

Nice article.  Not saying I'm right (far from it) but what do you think of the PM I sent you a while back pertaining to this subject matter?

You can share that information if you want to! 

Sad.  Those Muslims who died now know the truth that Islam is a lie. 

It takes the death of them to realize their mistake.  Only, if only (as they are thinking now) if I just listened to the Christians story about the real Jesus.

Now they know!  They now know Jesus is King and they ALL bowed down to Him!  They will forever mourn about what could have been but just isn't for them and the rest of the Muslims (among other non believers in Christ) who will be in torment forever! 

This is not a happy time for me and it certainly isn't a happy time for the ones who died on that day!

Look what I found!
http://conservativetribune.com/muslims-get-terrible-news/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TPNNPages&utm_content=2015-09-02