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General Discussion / Comments on Islam by new member gmcjetpilot
« on: March 06, 2009, 05:51:37 AM »
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God Bless the work you are doing. You are using the true power, Gods Word, the Holy Bible. I came here from the Youtube video on Ahmed Deedat.
I am aware of some of the teachings of Islam, false teachings or just plain apocryphal hateful violent not of God teachings. I knew there was great deception about Jesus Christ in islamic propaganda and attacking the Bible, BUT I HAD NO IDEA!
The youtube video and this thread opened my eyes. I thought I knew most of the islamic deception, but it runs so deep. They hide it and lie about it, but when you see it, you don't want to believe it. The hypocrisy of don't criticize Islam (or we kill you infidel) but we are free to say and do what ever we want is getting OLD. This goes back to the 7th century. Islam was the cock of the walk in their neighborhood. They where arrogant and full of their self. This idea that their day is over and long past, trivial to Judea Christianity does not sit well with them. THEY want to get back to the GOOD OLD DAYS when there where caliphates, and all submitted to allah and muslim rule. This is what they long for. The quran or hadith makes reference to the superiority of Arabs, while calling Africans donkey's and Jews vile. The whole idea of Jesus teaching, forgiving, healing to make disciples, giving his life for our sins does not sit well with the arab culture. The image of mohammad muslims have is that of a macho arab warrior stud. mohammad sounds like a porn star and action hero. It is ironic that Hitler rejected Jesus and wrote in "Me in Kampf" Jesus could not be God because he was a Jew!
WHY ARE PEOPLE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT?
The QURAN AND HADITH IS HATE SPEECH!
WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO CONFUSED AT THE ANGER AGAINST THEM? Are they really confused or just lying.
Being a Chirstian for 20 of my adult yrs, I feel I have a good grasp on Scriptures. However like so many American we did not give much thought to Islam, despite some early signs. Islamic ayatollah revolution in Iran in the 70's, the Olympic massacre of Jewish athletes and scores of hijackings. Than in the 90s' the first World trade center bombing.....it has been escalating for 16 years. Of course just over 7 years ago 9/11! STILL PEOPLE ARE IN DENIAL! I don't want to make it seem like islam is only violent the last 40 years. Islam has been violent for 1400 years. In the 7th century they invaded Jerusalem and killed all the Christian and Jewish clergy, destroyed Churches and for 100's of years attacked, killed, enslaved and stopped non-muslim pilgrims. This is what lead up to the Crusades by Christians to respond to the muslims violence. Of course people are fond of saying the Crusades like it was totally unjustified, when islam was killing for 200 or 300 yrs before this,.
The muslims say the Jews did it. The fruit-loops conspiracy idiots say our own Government pulled it off, which would be amazing, but of course impossible and its ridiculous and ludicrous. This gives our enemies, make no mistake terrorist are our enemies and want to kill us, support. Yet America lets this kind of propaganda go. I am not saying squelch free speech but more people should use their free speech to rebuke this crap-ola. Every time a muslims opens his mouth there should be 2 or 10 others rebuking them.
I took Bible basics classes over the years. We went over religions of the world in an hour and it was matter of fact. We never dwelled on their teachings, Buddhist, Hindu or Muslims, nor did we criticize them, just contrast the difference. It was superficial and this was in the 80's. Still in Church we don't address the attacks on Christianity and the world by Islam. Where islamic mosque spend great deal of time teaching false doctrine about Christianity.
As I have said before if you have a muslim for a Bible teacher, you have a fool for a teacher.
WE SHOULD LOOK AT ISLAM IN CHURCH AND WHAT THEY TEACH ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE WILL NEED TO WITNESS TO THEM AND DEAL WITH THEM. THE US POPULATION OF MUSLIMS IS TINY. WHO KNOWS WHERE IT WILL GO?
It is the ignorance of the West about this Arab pagan death cult that is our true weakness. I am not being flip when I say islam is an ARAB PAGAN DEATH CULT.
Arab - Islam is clearly written by Arabs for Arabs. The old catch 22 is its written in arabic and only if you read it in arabic do you get the true fantasticness of it all. Yet most people including many muslims don't speak Arabic. - "The Arabs are descendants of Abraham's son Ishmael. With Ishmael being the son of a slave woman (Genesis 16:1-16) and Isaac being the promised son who would inherit the promises to Abraham (Genesis 21:1-3), obviously there would be some animosity between the two sons. As a result of Ishmael mocking Isaac (Genesis 21:9), Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away (Genesis 21:11-21). An angel even prophesied to Hagar that Ishmael would "live in hostility toward all his brothers" (Genesis 16:11-12)." (from got questions org) No arab could be a prophet. Of course the Bible said there are no more prophets after Jesus and there are no more books.
PAGAN? The quran copied (incorrectly) out of the Bible or from the apocryphal and rejected Christian "lost books" of the day. The rest is from pagan Arab rituals. In Muhammad's days there where 100's of religions all doing their thing. He was not stupid. The devil is not stupid. He figured he could consolidate all of them but incorporating some of their rituals and teachings. The face a rock (MECCA) and wash feet to pray is an example. The social and cultural things in the Quran are all Arab medieval rituals. In Christianity God gave us freedom in our worship, to only be orderly and make a joyful noise. We can pray any time and facing any direction or in any position. God does not care about clean feet but clean and open hearts.
DEATH CULT? Yes they teach kids to DIE for Allah. There is almost NO way for a Muslim to get to paradise even by their own religion. The 5 pillars are not enough. Mohammad predicted there would be 60 sects of muslims and ONLY ONE would get paradise. OK but Mohammad was wrong there are actually several 100 muslim sects today. Which one is right? Well here is the DEATH PART. If you commit suicide or die fighting the infidel than you are a martyr . You are going to get 72 virgins. I wounder what the female martyr get 72 studs? Any way they are celebrated has HEROES. THAT IS SICK. Suicide? Even muslims that are not terrorist, polls show 80% of muslims in Canada and US (you would think moderate) say terrorism can be justified in sometimes. How about NEVER. The Quran is full of how they terrorised their enemies. THE BIGGEST PART OF A CULT IS YOU MUST STAY IN IT OR DIE. ISLAM IS YOU CHECK IN BUT CAN'T CHECK OUT. How many fatwas has islam declared on individuals. WHAT KIND OF RELIGION PUTS OUT HITS? NONE ITS A CULT AND A POLITICAL AND LEGAL (SHARIAH LAW) AND TOTAL SOCIAL SYSTEM, AKA THEOCRACY.
Allah is the GREATEST of ALL Deceivers according to Islam. Really? God lies. Mohammad was great at deceiving people also so he could massacre them. Yea for mohammad? Any way I ramble, but there is something rotten in islam.
I have been studying the Quran now for a year, and I am SHOCKED! Why does this not get out on cable TV. There are 100's of channels. I saw a history channel thing on Mohammad and the Quran. It was interesting. In the 2 hour long show, they mentioned the SWORD verse about killing infidels once towards the end briefly and said its controversial. Meaning that it does not mean what it says, never ending war against the infidel till they are dead or convert or pay taxes (protection money like the mafia, so they don't murder you).
Unless Islam rejects their violent teachings, terrorism will continue. Many muslims obviously ignore those part of the quran, but the thing they don't realize, is Jihad has many phases. When low in number it is peaceful. However in the last stages mohammad commands the all out holy war, jihad. Muslims will be killed and persecute by other muslims of course, if they resist as well. Islam calls for muslims to DIE if they leave islam.
They left out any thing controversial. I just heard a BOOK publishing company pulled a less than flattering book on mohammad for FEAR of protest. LET THEM PROTEST. We should protest them 10 to 1.
The Youtube video does such a great job contrasting the Bible and quran.
We where asleep at the wheel before 9/11. We (America, the West, Free democracies) are STILL in denial. I AM NOT. I'm not saying I know all about Islam and geopolitical events, nor can I predict the future, but I am pretty well read and I AM SHOCKED. I am shocked more people are not shocked at what ISLAM is all about.
Islam has figured out how to exploit the hospitality, tolerance and freedoms of the West. Sweden, Netherlands and UK are front lines. UK seems to be going down the appeasement route they did with Nazi Germany about 70 yrs ago.
UK and even more so Sweden and Netherlands are defenseless in many ways, mostly because they got rid of God, Jesus Christ. Secular European societies are prime and ripe for Islamic fanaticism to take over. Where there is no God evil fills in.
Even the devil knows who God is. This is why Christianity is under attack. There is no doubt that Israelites, Jews who made the covenant with God to fulfill his plans, the chosen people (not because they are better or more in number) are targets, no doubt. To destroy the Jews or Israel is to destroy God's plan. God promised to curse those who try to do this. In the end times many Jews will come to call Jesus their Lord and Savior. Many already do.
However we can't be complacent and expect God to bless us and take care of business. We must go out and make deciples of all nations. Be the LIGHT of the world. WE NEED TO ANSWER ISLAM.
Thanks for doing the Lords work, in the name of Jesus Christ, AMEN!
God Bless the work you are doing. You are using the true power, Gods Word, the Holy Bible. I came here from the Youtube video on Ahmed Deedat.
I am aware of some of the teachings of Islam, false teachings or just plain apocryphal hateful violent not of God teachings. I knew there was great deception about Jesus Christ in islamic propaganda and attacking the Bible, BUT I HAD NO IDEA!
The youtube video and this thread opened my eyes. I thought I knew most of the islamic deception, but it runs so deep. They hide it and lie about it, but when you see it, you don't want to believe it. The hypocrisy of don't criticize Islam (or we kill you infidel) but we are free to say and do what ever we want is getting OLD. This goes back to the 7th century. Islam was the cock of the walk in their neighborhood. They where arrogant and full of their self. This idea that their day is over and long past, trivial to Judea Christianity does not sit well with them. THEY want to get back to the GOOD OLD DAYS when there where caliphates, and all submitted to allah and muslim rule. This is what they long for. The quran or hadith makes reference to the superiority of Arabs, while calling Africans donkey's and Jews vile. The whole idea of Jesus teaching, forgiving, healing to make disciples, giving his life for our sins does not sit well with the arab culture. The image of mohammad muslims have is that of a macho arab warrior stud. mohammad sounds like a porn star and action hero. It is ironic that Hitler rejected Jesus and wrote in "Me in Kampf" Jesus could not be God because he was a Jew!
WHY ARE PEOPLE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT?
The QURAN AND HADITH IS HATE SPEECH!
WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO CONFUSED AT THE ANGER AGAINST THEM? Are they really confused or just lying.
Being a Chirstian for 20 of my adult yrs, I feel I have a good grasp on Scriptures. However like so many American we did not give much thought to Islam, despite some early signs. Islamic ayatollah revolution in Iran in the 70's, the Olympic massacre of Jewish athletes and scores of hijackings. Than in the 90s' the first World trade center bombing.....it has been escalating for 16 years. Of course just over 7 years ago 9/11! STILL PEOPLE ARE IN DENIAL! I don't want to make it seem like islam is only violent the last 40 years. Islam has been violent for 1400 years. In the 7th century they invaded Jerusalem and killed all the Christian and Jewish clergy, destroyed Churches and for 100's of years attacked, killed, enslaved and stopped non-muslim pilgrims. This is what lead up to the Crusades by Christians to respond to the muslims violence. Of course people are fond of saying the Crusades like it was totally unjustified, when islam was killing for 200 or 300 yrs before this,.
The muslims say the Jews did it. The fruit-loops conspiracy idiots say our own Government pulled it off, which would be amazing, but of course impossible and its ridiculous and ludicrous. This gives our enemies, make no mistake terrorist are our enemies and want to kill us, support. Yet America lets this kind of propaganda go. I am not saying squelch free speech but more people should use their free speech to rebuke this crap-ola. Every time a muslims opens his mouth there should be 2 or 10 others rebuking them.
I took Bible basics classes over the years. We went over religions of the world in an hour and it was matter of fact. We never dwelled on their teachings, Buddhist, Hindu or Muslims, nor did we criticize them, just contrast the difference. It was superficial and this was in the 80's. Still in Church we don't address the attacks on Christianity and the world by Islam. Where islamic mosque spend great deal of time teaching false doctrine about Christianity.
As I have said before if you have a muslim for a Bible teacher, you have a fool for a teacher.
WE SHOULD LOOK AT ISLAM IN CHURCH AND WHAT THEY TEACH ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, WE WILL NEED TO WITNESS TO THEM AND DEAL WITH THEM. THE US POPULATION OF MUSLIMS IS TINY. WHO KNOWS WHERE IT WILL GO?
It is the ignorance of the West about this Arab pagan death cult that is our true weakness. I am not being flip when I say islam is an ARAB PAGAN DEATH CULT.
Arab - Islam is clearly written by Arabs for Arabs. The old catch 22 is its written in arabic and only if you read it in arabic do you get the true fantasticness of it all. Yet most people including many muslims don't speak Arabic. - "The Arabs are descendants of Abraham's son Ishmael. With Ishmael being the son of a slave woman (Genesis 16:1-16) and Isaac being the promised son who would inherit the promises to Abraham (Genesis 21:1-3), obviously there would be some animosity between the two sons. As a result of Ishmael mocking Isaac (Genesis 21:9), Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away (Genesis 21:11-21). An angel even prophesied to Hagar that Ishmael would "live in hostility toward all his brothers" (Genesis 16:11-12)." (from got questions org) No arab could be a prophet. Of course the Bible said there are no more prophets after Jesus and there are no more books.
PAGAN? The quran copied (incorrectly) out of the Bible or from the apocryphal and rejected Christian "lost books" of the day. The rest is from pagan Arab rituals. In Muhammad's days there where 100's of religions all doing their thing. He was not stupid. The devil is not stupid. He figured he could consolidate all of them but incorporating some of their rituals and teachings. The face a rock (MECCA) and wash feet to pray is an example. The social and cultural things in the Quran are all Arab medieval rituals. In Christianity God gave us freedom in our worship, to only be orderly and make a joyful noise. We can pray any time and facing any direction or in any position. God does not care about clean feet but clean and open hearts.
DEATH CULT? Yes they teach kids to DIE for Allah. There is almost NO way for a Muslim to get to paradise even by their own religion. The 5 pillars are not enough. Mohammad predicted there would be 60 sects of muslims and ONLY ONE would get paradise. OK but Mohammad was wrong there are actually several 100 muslim sects today. Which one is right? Well here is the DEATH PART. If you commit suicide or die fighting the infidel than you are a martyr . You are going to get 72 virgins. I wounder what the female martyr get 72 studs? Any way they are celebrated has HEROES. THAT IS SICK. Suicide? Even muslims that are not terrorist, polls show 80% of muslims in Canada and US (you would think moderate) say terrorism can be justified in sometimes. How about NEVER. The Quran is full of how they terrorised their enemies. THE BIGGEST PART OF A CULT IS YOU MUST STAY IN IT OR DIE. ISLAM IS YOU CHECK IN BUT CAN'T CHECK OUT. How many fatwas has islam declared on individuals. WHAT KIND OF RELIGION PUTS OUT HITS? NONE ITS A CULT AND A POLITICAL AND LEGAL (SHARIAH LAW) AND TOTAL SOCIAL SYSTEM, AKA THEOCRACY.
Allah is the GREATEST of ALL Deceivers according to Islam. Really? God lies. Mohammad was great at deceiving people also so he could massacre them. Yea for mohammad? Any way I ramble, but there is something rotten in islam.
I have been studying the Quran now for a year, and I am SHOCKED! Why does this not get out on cable TV. There are 100's of channels. I saw a history channel thing on Mohammad and the Quran. It was interesting. In the 2 hour long show, they mentioned the SWORD verse about killing infidels once towards the end briefly and said its controversial. Meaning that it does not mean what it says, never ending war against the infidel till they are dead or convert or pay taxes (protection money like the mafia, so they don't murder you).
Unless Islam rejects their violent teachings, terrorism will continue. Many muslims obviously ignore those part of the quran, but the thing they don't realize, is Jihad has many phases. When low in number it is peaceful. However in the last stages mohammad commands the all out holy war, jihad. Muslims will be killed and persecute by other muslims of course, if they resist as well. Islam calls for muslims to DIE if they leave islam.
They left out any thing controversial. I just heard a BOOK publishing company pulled a less than flattering book on mohammad for FEAR of protest. LET THEM PROTEST. We should protest them 10 to 1.
The Youtube video does such a great job contrasting the Bible and quran.
We where asleep at the wheel before 9/11. We (America, the West, Free democracies) are STILL in denial. I AM NOT. I'm not saying I know all about Islam and geopolitical events, nor can I predict the future, but I am pretty well read and I AM SHOCKED. I am shocked more people are not shocked at what ISLAM is all about.
Islam has figured out how to exploit the hospitality, tolerance and freedoms of the West. Sweden, Netherlands and UK are front lines. UK seems to be going down the appeasement route they did with Nazi Germany about 70 yrs ago.
UK and even more so Sweden and Netherlands are defenseless in many ways, mostly because they got rid of God, Jesus Christ. Secular European societies are prime and ripe for Islamic fanaticism to take over. Where there is no God evil fills in.
Even the devil knows who God is. This is why Christianity is under attack. There is no doubt that Israelites, Jews who made the covenant with God to fulfill his plans, the chosen people (not because they are better or more in number) are targets, no doubt. To destroy the Jews or Israel is to destroy God's plan. God promised to curse those who try to do this. In the end times many Jews will come to call Jesus their Lord and Savior. Many already do.
However we can't be complacent and expect God to bless us and take care of business. We must go out and make deciples of all nations. Be the LIGHT of the world. WE NEED TO ANSWER ISLAM.
Thanks for doing the Lords work, in the name of Jesus Christ, AMEN!