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I agree 100% with your assessment of Islam and value the work you have done. I was under the impression when I first joined that you were of the same mind, but I guess not. So don’t worry, I’m getting off this blog. As long as you point out the errors in Islam, that’s all that counts, apparently…and we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, and let the chips fall where they may if they convert to some form of Christendom that isn’t spiritually right.

I was inclined to reply to Bahous’ first inquiry about who Elias (Elijah) was. No one on this blog ever answered his post, that I could see from months ago. This man should have been shown from the Bible right then that John the Baptist was symbolically Elijah. Who knows how much that would have helped him. I felt compelled to do what I could to help him understand.

The Word of God is what causes divisions, not me (Luke 12:51-53, Matthew 10:34-35, John 7:43 KJV). You are willing to go to great lengths to expose the lies and falsehood of Islam, but not expose and warn of the apostasy within Christendom, that you want Muslims to convert to. Whatever happened to Bible believers being a watchman and a guard for the truth, and not letting people fall into the hands of wolves in sheep’s clothing (I Timothy 6:20-21)? Not everyone who claims to know Jesus (Yeshua) gets in (Matthew 7:21-23).
 
The Popes claim to be a substitute (Vicar) for Christ and declares his authority to add and take away commandments of God (forbidden in Scripture: Deut.4:2, Proverbs 30:6 & Rev. 22:18-19), Mary is elevated above Christ and is considered the Mediatrix (Mediator—a roll that is uniquely Christ’s (Yeshua)) so it IS an anti-christ system as their Mary is Semeramis and their jesus  is Tammuz and not the Jesus of the Scriptures, so that the real Jesus IS being denied (spiritually but not outwardly-- Matthew 23: 28). The average RC might not know that, but the Pope and upper clergy do.

Would you have potential Muslim converts switch from moon worship to Babylonian sun-god worship? Or Scientology or Mormonism or Unitarianism or Jehovah Witnesses or Churches that teach Chrislam  http://www.exposingchrislam.com/  , or Freemasons, or New Age religions that ALL use the Bible and claim to know a jesus when these jesus’ are all false, thus making them all anti-Christ in some form (I John 4:1 & 2 Tim. 3:1-17) and voiding the Word of God (Mark 7:13, Matthew 15:6) and ending up in a worse state (Matthew 12:23) Doctrine and truth makes all the difference in the world and people can be deceived regarding their hearts (Jeremiah 17:1, Mark 7:21, Matthew 12:35, James 1:22-25).

I know that Muslims have a problem with RCC because of the Crusades and Inquisition and their claim to be “Christian” while murdering others that didn’t accept their false theology. What do you tell them?

All I am saying is that if you are going to pinpoint with accuracy the falseness of Islam (which I commend you for), then in order not be hypocritical in their eyes, you should also admit to and pinpoint the apostasy within Christendom to help them sort things out when they convert. That is what is required of all believers, in the Scriptures.

Dear Bahous

May I please give you some guidance?

John the Baptist was Elijah (symbolically—Matthew 11:13-14 & Luke 1:13-17 & Malachi 4:5), the one who came to announce the Messiah, and that person (Messiah) was Jesus (Yeshua, His Hebrew name). See http://clearbibleanswers.org/questionsanswers/124-jesus-said-that-john-the-baptist-was-the-elijah-to-come-but-john-denied-it-.html

The only way to have your question(s) answered is to read the entire Bible for yourself. You really must start at the beginning, in Genesis. Yes, it will take time, so start immediately Winking smile . Jesus (Yeshua) is pictured in every book of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. He doesn’t just show up near the end of the book. Most prophecies about Him are found in what is known as the “Old Testament”. The “New Testament” heavily quotes from the Old Testament because the Old Testament (OT) is ALL that there was when Jesus (Yeshua) was here on earth. It is ALL that the Apostles had. The books of the New Testament (NT) were written later, and as I mentioned, the writers quoted heavily from the OT to prove that Jesus (Yeshua) was the Messiah/Redeemer Who existed from the beginning and was pictured or prophesied about all through the OT.

Jesus (Yeshua) was/is God in the Flesh and He was/is the Word of God from the beginning as you will read in the Scriptures. He obeyed ALL of His Father’s Commands (which were His own Commands since He was/is God) and that is how He was able to die in our place as a substitute because He never sinned (broke God’s Commands) like all other humans do. He DID break the commandments and traditions of men (Pharisees/Rabbinical Judaism) that had added to and taken away from God’s Commands; it was these false teachings that He came to expose and correct, and for that these religious leaders hated him and ultimately had him killed. But----He allowed it for His Own purposes---He laid down His Own Life willingly so that we would not have to pay for our sins (breaking God’s Commandments) ourselves. We cannot say that the “Jews” killed him, we can say that false teachers and false religion of ANY “flavor” would have done the same in their shoes (because religious leaders do not want anyone rocking the boat and messing up their system of control and raking in the cash).

One of the reasons for reading the Bible for yourself, and starting from the beginning is that it is a story about the Messiah, the Redeemer, that develops over time and through the many books of Scripture. Any book is to be read from the beginning to the end, not the other way around! He is pictured in many ways throughout the Bible; the whole entire Book is about Him! As you read, you need to look for these. All verses and themes are to be backed up by other verses and themes. One can not take a verse out of context and build an idea or theology out of it---everything is built on two or three “witnesses”. Also, keep in mind that Jesus (Yeshua) participated in God’s “Appointed Times”, the 7 Feasts of God and the Sabbath. He was present to hear the Law of Moses every Sabbath with His parents, and eventually taught in the Temple on Sabbath; He died at Passover, was buried during Unleavened Bread and rose from the grave on First Fruits. His Holy Spirit was given to believers at Pentecost (Shavuot). He is scheduled to finish out the rest of the Holy Days (Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Sukkot), and likely VERY soon. Most of Christendom has no clue about this because in their effort of being anti-Semetic they exchanged God’s Holy Days for pagan holidays like Easter and Christmas. God’s Holy Days are so deeply rich with meaning, and so beautifully profound that it can not compare to the pagan holidays. Which brings me to my second point.

Another reason to read the Bible for yourself, is that many Christians do not fully understand the Bible because Christendom is fraught with false teachings that came from paganism, and they pick and choose verses, totally ignoring important teachings or claiming that Paul and Jesus taught something exactly opposite of what they actually did teach. They have received many wrong teachings and traditions of men from what is known as the “Early Church Fathers.” Church history shows that the “Early Church Fathers” rejected much of the OT and some of Paul’s and Jesus’ own words and tried to distance themselves from anything “Jewish”, even though Jesus and Paul and the Apostles were all Jewish and the oracles of God were given to the Jews to share with the rest of the world. The Prophets (in the OT) were all Jewish. The Bible is a Jewish book about a Jewish Messiah/Redeemer, but just like the Pharisees who made up extra laws and took away from God’s Laws, so too did the Early Church Fathers which eventually led to the Catholic Church, and then later the Protestants. The false teachings and traditions of men were also accepted by others such as the Baptists and Brethren, etc. These all have been heavily influenced by a man named Marcion (who lived from 85 to 160 AD), and other misguided men, and unbiblical traditions of men, incorporating pagan practices into Christianity making it an impure mixture. It is very hard to get to the truth when you have the blind leading the blind in many instances. People who are willing to study and dig to find the truth will find it. The others are happy to let the religious leaders tell them what to believe (this is in ANY religion) without checking to see if what they are being told is the truth. For example, Islam is a fairly new religion that began in the middle 600’s, 600+ years after Jesus (Yeshua) came on the planet. Exactly how and when did Islam come to be? I ask Catholics and Protestants the same question. Research historical truth from various sources, not what the religion or denomination says happened—their goal is to deceive.

For a good place to start, besides reading the Bible for yourself, you can read from www.therefinersfire.org . I do not agree with everything on the site, but you will learn a lot of the correct understanding of the Bible and what Jesus (Yeshua) and Paul, etc. ACTUALLY taught without being exposed to a lot of false teachings within mainstream Christendom. “The Chronological Gospels” is a book written by Michael Rood that explains the Messiah’s 70 week ministry (not three years like most of Christendom falsely teaches). Again, I do not agree with everything he teaches, but this book will help you gain the understanding and truth you desire to obtain. Passion for Truth Ministries and Corner Fringe Ministries are two other places to hear and learn what most of Christendom rejects which makes most of Christendom unable and unqualified to instruct according to what the Bible really says and means. These are all Messianic teachers and most of what they teach is sound, but beware of others who are also “Messianic” teachers that teach things that are not right and give the Messianic/Hebrew Roots Movement a bad name. Last but not least, this website is very valuable to help you understand what Islam is and is not. Please take advantage of their articles and earnestly ask the True Creator to show you the truth. May the True and Living God open your eyes.