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Big surprise.
What are the implications if this doesn't get him out of office?
Rev.17:12 comes to mind.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are the kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast (Islamic). 14 These shall make war with the Lamb and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords and King of kings; and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Peter,
We were talking about the sun moon and stars and whether we should be watching them for a sign.
I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture.  I believe in a pre-wrath rapture.
It is in Chapter 11 of Revelation.  Verse 11. And after 3 days and an half (1/2 of 7) the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the witnesses, us) and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.  And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 

That happens during the 6th trump, or the end of the second half of the all encompassing final 7.

At the seventh trump, verse 18, "the nations were angry,(as well as all those who had started beating their servants and surfeiting per Matthew 24 and who went and missed it) and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servant the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 and the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."  (it's hailing on earth, not in heaven)

Somebody somewhere, along with at least ten virgins and some foolish Matthew 24ers, weren't ready to go.

Rev. 16:16  "Behold, I come as a thief.  Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 
(according to Jewish custom, the watchers before Rosh Hashana, or feast of trumpets, were supposed to be watching "the sun and the moon" to determine if it was the day for the feast of trumpets.  Anybody who was discovered sleeping during his watch, the high priest who was making his rounds, would set the sleeping watcher's robe, which was supposed to be white, on fire and the poor guy would go running screaming and naked through the streets in shame.)
16 And he (God) gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 and there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Sounds remarkably like Ezekiel 38.
And since the armies of God come back with him, maybe I'll see you there.  According to Ezekiel 40 we'll be building a temple.
But for now, I really don't want to find myself on the wrong end of one of those 100 pound hail stones coming out of heaven.  I'm going to pray I'm worthy to escape ahead of time.

Okay, Peter, I give.
Best to pray that we be worthy to escape all these things that are coming on the earth.
Given the choice, I'd rather be on this side of the planet though since the millstone is for Babylon.  Revelation 18:21  "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Daniel 2:34-47  re: the king's statue...
Daniel 2:45  "Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; (all Middle Eastern) the great God that made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."(no guess work needed there)

But ultimately I'd rather be with Jesus, so as we agree, he'll take care of us one way or the other.
Love your emoticons btw   

Hi Peter,
I have been looking at Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21,in which Jesus describes when and what would be the sign of his coming,  and comparing them to Rev. 6.  As it turns out topic by topic they are almost identical.

For example the four horses match Matthew 24:7
seal 1, Horse 1 = nation against nation
seal 2, Horse 2 = kingdom against kingdom
seal 3, Horse 3 = famines
seal 4, Horse 4 = pestilences and earthquakes
 these things will come to pass but the end is not yet, says Jesus.

I thought that was the end of the similarity.  But then Jesus began the second topic telling his disciples in Luke 21:12, But before all these,          (before the wars, famines, pestilences, etc.) they shall persecute you for my name's sake. 
Or in Matthew 24, they would be hated and killed for my name's sake, but because of you the gospel will be published all over the world, meaning that this process would start with the disciples and end with us.
So what is the second topic of Rev. 6 that matches these verses? Answer, the 5th seal, Rev. 6:9, says that the souls that have been slain for the Word of God were pleading with God crying when are you ever going to avenge our blood? how long?
These slain don't  all happen in a short 7 year tribulation.  They start with the first disciples and continue throughout history.

Then in Revelation 6:12 it begins the third topic of the sun and the moon and the stars falling like figs in a wind storm.
In each of the gospels the final sign before Jesus returns is the sun and moon turning dark and the power of the heavens being shaken, and then brings up the fig tree.

There is the topic of the abomination of desolation in the gospels that isn't included in Revelation 6.  But when you read that topic in each of the gospels it becomes clear this is in the middle of history, not all falling at the end times.  It says that the armies will surround Jerusalem, the abomination will stand where it ought not, they should run and not go down into the house because it was the worst thing that ever happened.  But it goes on to explain that it has to happen in order for all things to eventually be fulfilled.  When it says that all these things will be in one generation, I think this means that all things will have already been fulfilled and we will have understood it in this last generation.  I think this was mentioned to warn them back in the 600's to get out so that they wouldn't all be killed.  We are worried for Jerusalem today, but I believe God is going to take care of Israel's enemies with an earthquake only to die on the mountains of Israel before they ever reach Jerusalem as per Ezekiel 39.
Ezekiel 37:25 says the Jews will live there forever.  26 He will set his sanctuary in the middle of them forever. 27 They will be his people 28 And the heathen will figure it out when his sanctuary is in Jerusalem forever.

Hm.
I guess I wouldn't have had as much sympathy if I hadn't watched him suffer.  I tend to blame everything on Mohammid.  The rest of them are just useful idiots.

Whew, I almost spelled useful -- usefull.  That would not be good right next to the word idiot.  Not having spell check is going to blow my cover.

But as far as Islam goes, it's all based around Mohammid's gigantic ego (e.g. world conquest) playing on everyone else's fear. 
Gee that sounds real close to Al Gore's rant, "He played on our fears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"  Now there's an ego if there ever was one.

But I digress, as usual.

Bunny