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I know that's the way is was through the child-like eyes of a 7th century desert dwelling illiterate.

You will never find a Muslim who insults Jesus or any other prophet and that is the type of company I would rather discuss with.

I'm just gonna say this. I hope GOD shows you a HUGE sign and guides you on the true path before Judgment Day, because the way your talking about his messenger I fear for you. I literally feel a gut pain when I think of what will happen to you.

I will tell you what happens to people who worshiped anyone but Allah on Judgment Day so you can not say you were never told.

Allah will gather them the ones who called upon idols, humans, djinn/devils and angels.

They will say we didn't know we were suppose to worship you (Allah) but we have done good deeds on earth aswell, Allah will bring them Jesus and ask Jesus if he told people to worship him, Jesus will say to Allah you know whats in my heart. And Allah knows everything. They will have no helpers on that day.

For the Idol worshipers their own idol will speak and say they never knew nor did they say worship me.

The Angels will deny them.

The Djinn will lie and say we never told them to worship us.

Anyways I won't be coming back to this forum it is too negative and their is only 1 other person posting and they are posting lies.

Goodbye Peter best of luck.

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Judeo-Christian - General / Re: THE BLOOD OF SACRIFICE
« on: April 09, 2010, 02:19:02 PM »
Isa 42:6 is a prophesy and it is referring to Islam.

Islam is for all the gentiles to embrace.

Why skip 42:11?

" Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar does inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains."

I don't believe I have to explain this.

The Bible mentions the coming of the prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and Islam a lot. And Yet some still await a prophet while others remain blind.


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Islam - General / Re: Paul's Laundry list
« on: April 09, 2010, 02:13:30 PM »
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Fornicator- a man who indulges in unlawful sexual intercourse, a fornicator

Qur'an 33:51 "You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."

Marriage Laws

Quran 33:49 "O you who believe, if you married believing women, then divorced them before having intercourse with them, they do not owe you any waiting interim (before marrying another man). You shall compensate them equitably, and let them go amicably."

Quran 33:50 "O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have, as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers, the daughters of your father's sisters, the daughters of your mother's brothers, the daughters of your mother's sisters, who have emigrated with you. Also, if a believing woman gave herself to the prophet - by forfeiting the dowry - the prophet may marry her without a dowry, if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only to the prophet, and not to the other believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have. This is to spare you any embarrassment. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful."

Quran 33:51 "You may gently shun any one of them, and you may bring closer to you any one of them. If you reconcile with any one you had estranged, you commit no error. In this way, they will be pleased, will have no grief, and will be content with what you equitably offer to all of them. GOD knows what is in your hearts. GOD is Omniscient, Clement."

Since when did marriage become included in unlawful acts?

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Qur'an 66:1 "O Prophet! Why forbid yourself that which Allah has made lawful to you? You seek to please your consorts."

Quran 66:1 "O Prophet! Why bannest thou that which Allah hath made lawful for thee, seeking to please thy wives ? And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."    

Quran 66:2 "Allah hath made lawful for you (Muslims) absolution from your oaths (of such a kind), and Allah is your Protector. He is the Knower, the Wise."

Quran 66:3 "When the Prophet confided a fact unto one of his wives and when she afterward divulged it and Allah apprised him thereof, he made known (to her) part thereof and passed over part. And when he told it her she said: Who hath told thee ? He said: The Knower, the Aware hath told me."


Again why lie and mistranslates the Quran? Its one thing to misinterpret but to intentionally wrongfully translate is just disgusting.

I was hoping to have intelligent debates with some Christians however talking to you I now see what Allah meant when he warned us about people who change his scriptures.

Reading the rest of your article seems futile, you have already lost credibility.

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That is a good question Peter.

I ask you If GOD didn't father Adam then who did?

Was Adam conceived by, and born of, a virgin?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The point is not about the human aspect of whether Mary a mortal concieved a virgin or not.

It's GOD. Did GOD father Adam in the same sense that you believe he Fathered Jesus?

Because both came to be in unconventional ways.

The answer is NO GOD only says to something be and it is.

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So then Mary conceived Jesus all by herself?

All by herself? GOD placed a baby in the whom of Mary for a reason. The miraculous birth was meant to be sign for the people but by calling him the begotten son of GOD your taking it away.

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Don't you really mean that you have to reject the 245 verses that refer to God as the Father, many or most of which are Jesus' own declaration, in order to follow Mohammed? Did you take a moment to review that thread?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=610.0

Are you simply going to ignore all the other prophets who called GOD father or the fact that Son of GOD was not only called onto Jesus but other prophets aswell?

Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."

The truth is there is not one verse said by Jesus in where he has said worship me I am 1/3 of the Holy Trinity.

Its the truth.





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Terrible amount of mis-information on this site.

Where are all the members posts?

I hate to have to resort to a YouTube video but I'm way to tired to explain the origins of Language and the actual word "ALLAH".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCKTdsDNNAs

This is the most basic explanation and its not even by a Muslim.

Furthermore Jesus spoke Aramaic and Allah is GOD in Aramaic. Then and now. More specifically we pronounce it Illah or elahi.

Anyways no doubt they would call their moon god Allah, Sikhs today call their GOD Allah but they are not Muslims.

Allah translates THE GOD.

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Judeo-Christian - General / Re: THE BLOOD OF SACRIFICE
« on: April 08, 2010, 10:05:52 PM »
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And a new covenant, that was prophesied in the Old Covenant, that included Gentiles into God's plan of salvation.


I don't believe Jesus came for the Gentiles not according to the Bible.

Matthew 10:5 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:"

Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"

John 4:22 "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Matthew 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


Jesus broke not even ONE of the laws but the majority of Christians break the laws of GOD all the time. With the explanation that Jesus kept the Law for them and that he died for their sins.

How many of the Commandments (YES there are more than 10 :O) have you kept?

The famous TEN

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

How about eating pork? Do you eat pork?



EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'




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That is a good question Peter.

I ask you If GOD didn't father Adam then who did?

Humans have Divine Laws which we live by. Am I not right? Like the female and male produce children together. A male cannot produce without a female and vice verse.

GOD does not abide by Divine Laws he is above all laws. GOD is not human. Human is GODs creation. Right?

Adam is prove enough that GOD does not have to play by any rules. He created Adam with no father and no mother, then out of him he created Eve. He created Jesus with only a mother and no father.

So ask yourself when insisting that Jesus was fathered by GOD and that he is his begotten son, then who was Adams father? Or Eve for that matter?

The truth is GOD is not his creation, He does not follow the same laws set down for mankind.

The whole "Jesus is the begotten son of GOD" thing remind me of Greek God and Goddesses and how they would come down to earth mate with humans and produce Demi-Gods. To even insinuate that of The Almighty disgusts me to be honest.

Lets Discuss.


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