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Judeo-Christian - General / Re: Istanbul;Babylon the great
« on: June 12, 2010, 11:45:04 PM »
The woman/wife is always compared as the "spirit" of the people of God. No that doesn't mean "Israel" either ethnically or geographically. It means the "spirit" of the people, in other words, the church, its gospel, what it's meant to do. Ephesians 5:21-25, as well as the rest of the chapter for additional reading, compares the relationship between a man and his wife, and Christ and the church.
Now in the Old Testament, this entity of "God's people/church" is simultaneously called a harlot. The harlot is the corrupted aspect, the actions, behaviors, thoughts, of the people of God, or his church. In the Old Testament era, the church WAS Israel. All its members were Jews mostly living within it. But with the New Testament, the true doctrine was Christianity, and thus the wife became the Christian church and its members, while the corrupted part of that was the doppelganger, the harlot.
Now isn't it fitting that the harlot is a church sitting on seven-hills? Because the church of Rome has always sat on Rome, which is indeed on seven hills.
It's strange however, that JERUSALEM also sits on seven hills. The only issues are that the Christians and even Jews never "controlled the Earth" from Jerusalem and did not own it for too long either. Then there is 1 Peter 5:13. In it, Peter and Marcus send greetings to the people from the church of BABYLON. What could that mean? Well we know that Peter was the first bishop of Rome. It's understandable that Rome would thus be nicknamed "Babylon" by early Christians like Peter and John. And it fits in with the "corrupted church" thing. The Catholic church was still physically the "church of God" (always kept the structure and inheritance) and always will be. But no longer was it spiritually. I believe that it is this that is represented by the woman which was brought up into the wilderness for 1260 years. That the spirit of the church of God, it's true doctrines and full gospel was no longer on Earth for 1260 years.
Now someone said that the 12 stars on the woman's crown represent the twelve tribes which must mean that she is automatically Israel. It could be, but can't it also be the twelve apostles? Read this before accusing me of being wrong:
Revelation 5:6 — And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
These "spirits" are the bishops of the seven churches mentioned earlier in the book which are located in Anatolia AKA Asia Minor AKA Turkey. Now how important where these bishops to Christianity, enough to be symbolized as facial features of the Lamb himself? I don't know, but to me it seems that, since the book is actually more of an epistle sent to the churches in Asia Minor as the primary audience, then perhaps some of the symbolism would also be appropriate to the era. 12 stars meaning twelve apostles isn't impossible. Even if it meant "the church", twelve tribes wouldn't disprove that to mean "Israel" either. Furthermore, if the harlot is the Catholic church, then wouldn't the woman also be a church, based on the above understanding?
Now in the Old Testament, this entity of "God's people/church" is simultaneously called a harlot. The harlot is the corrupted aspect, the actions, behaviors, thoughts, of the people of God, or his church. In the Old Testament era, the church WAS Israel. All its members were Jews mostly living within it. But with the New Testament, the true doctrine was Christianity, and thus the wife became the Christian church and its members, while the corrupted part of that was the doppelganger, the harlot.
Now isn't it fitting that the harlot is a church sitting on seven-hills? Because the church of Rome has always sat on Rome, which is indeed on seven hills.
It's strange however, that JERUSALEM also sits on seven hills. The only issues are that the Christians and even Jews never "controlled the Earth" from Jerusalem and did not own it for too long either. Then there is 1 Peter 5:13. In it, Peter and Marcus send greetings to the people from the church of BABYLON. What could that mean? Well we know that Peter was the first bishop of Rome. It's understandable that Rome would thus be nicknamed "Babylon" by early Christians like Peter and John. And it fits in with the "corrupted church" thing. The Catholic church was still physically the "church of God" (always kept the structure and inheritance) and always will be. But no longer was it spiritually. I believe that it is this that is represented by the woman which was brought up into the wilderness for 1260 years. That the spirit of the church of God, it's true doctrines and full gospel was no longer on Earth for 1260 years.
Now someone said that the 12 stars on the woman's crown represent the twelve tribes which must mean that she is automatically Israel. It could be, but can't it also be the twelve apostles? Read this before accusing me of being wrong:
Revelation 5:6 — And i beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
These "spirits" are the bishops of the seven churches mentioned earlier in the book which are located in Anatolia AKA Asia Minor AKA Turkey. Now how important where these bishops to Christianity, enough to be symbolized as facial features of the Lamb himself? I don't know, but to me it seems that, since the book is actually more of an epistle sent to the churches in Asia Minor as the primary audience, then perhaps some of the symbolism would also be appropriate to the era. 12 stars meaning twelve apostles isn't impossible. Even if it meant "the church", twelve tribes wouldn't disprove that to mean "Israel" either. Furthermore, if the harlot is the Catholic church, then wouldn't the woman also be a church, based on the above understanding?
