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Allah would never let his messengers be tortured or killed.
« on: March 19, 2011, 09:13:12 AM »
To try to reinforce their denial of the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, Muhammad's followers will often make the claim that "Allah would never let his messengers be tortured or killed" perhaps because, while Muhammad sent hundreds of thousands to their deaths in his name, he himself died in bed in a whimper through what would seem the delayed effects of a prior poisoning. However such a declaration runs contrary not only to their own books, but to the historical reality of the fate of the prophets and witnesses of Yahweh.

And (remember) when you said, "O Musa (Moses)! We cannot endure one kind of food. So invoke your Lord for us to bring forth for us of what the earth grows, its herbs, its cucumbers, its Fum (wheat or garlic), its lentils and its onions." He said, "Would you exchange that which is better for that which is lower? Go you down to any town and you shall find what you want!" And they were covered with humiliation and misery, and they drew on themselves the Wrath of Allah. That was because they used to disbelieve the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations etc.) of Allah and killed the prophets wrongfully. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress the bounds (in their disobedience to Allah, i.e. commit crimes and sins).
(  Ø³ÙˆØ±Ø© البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #61)

Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allah, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allah) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allah's disobedience, crimes and sins).
(  Ø³ÙˆØ±Ø© آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #112)
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=prophet+killed&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Muslims are prohibited from making distinctions between prophets.

And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards; and Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(  Ø³ÙˆØ±Ø© النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #152)
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=make+no+distinction&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

So even through Islam's own blasphemy why wouldn't Jesus be expected to meet the same fate as so many other prophets and witnesses of Yahweh/Yeshua?

Matthew 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Luke 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.

Mat 23:34    Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

Just as Yeshua's Apostles and witnesses did in the 1st century....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4rtYAO3UxA
.... and His followers have throughout the rest of the Christian era unto today, with 17,000 Christians martyred annually. With 2 million innocents killed by the hand of Islam in the Sudan alone, that is accompanied by the continuous 1400 year Islamic slave trade in Africa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will  live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

http://www.youtube.com/user/VoiceOfTheMartyrsUSA?blend=3&ob=5
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/findex.htm
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/martyrs010.htm#67

Indeed the spirit of antichrist would seem to blind Muslims to the subject of martyrdom since Muhammad's concept of it was exactly backwards.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1899.45

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Re: Allah would never let his messengers be tortured or killed.
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 06:16:06 AM »
Typical Muslim apologetics. False declarations from thin air.
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@jjjeh1 Get it right YOU let him be sacrificed on the cross in the Bible, we had saw it unjust in our eyes that he was taking responsibility for OUR sins and Allah had not let his messenger be killed
Uzatron501 3 days ago


@Uzatron501 "...and Allah had not let his messenger be killed"

Don't you know anything about Islam? "...and killed the prophets wrongfully..." Al-Baqara, Ch 2, V 61

Jesus sacrificed Himself to save us from our sins. It was the sinful nature of mankind that killed Jesus. It was you and I that killed Jesus. Happening just as His crucifixion was prophesied, so many hundreds of years before the Messiah was revealed to us. His Hebrew name "Yeshua" means "Yahweh saves", or rescues.

watch?v=nAQHFVn7H2Q
PeteWaldo 2 days ago
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Muslims generally declare whatever comes into their head. What they WISH were true at any given moment.
Indeed look at how all the prophets and witnesses of Jesus Christ were martyred.
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/martyrs010.htm#67

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Re: Allah would never let his messengers be tortured or killed.
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 07:47:53 AM »
Here's an example from BeholderGuard comments

Attisss (9 hours ago)

RomanianWarrior1966 how is one supposed to have a conversation with you when you block anyone else for making a comment about you? not only that why cant you give the answers if your so sure about your faith? Your nothing but a ignorant coward!!! and BizaroMustard100 it wasnt Jesus but Judas who were crucified, you realy think God would let his messengers be killed by men? your bible doesnt even prove that it was written by God but it proves that it was written by Men! 40 Men to be precise. Why have so many different Bibles? whil we have only one Quran.

Not only demonstrating ignorance of the Quran, but also parroting the Gnostic heresy by Simon the Magician and his student Basilides regarding a substitute on the cross.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2749.0

"...your bible doesnt even prove that it was written by God but it proves that it was written by Men!"

Claiming that there is no proof that God wrote Scripture, in spite of all of the prophecy being fulfilled, including the crucifixion of the Messiah that was prophesied so many hundreds of years in advance.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1007.0

Let alone Jesus' own prophecy of His crucifixion.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2439.0

While he instead follows the heavily abrogated, fable and friend inspired, 23 year record of ramblings of an illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling, child doing, female prisoner abusing, thief.

"...your bible doesnt even prove that it was written by God but it proves that it was written by Men!"

To a non-Muslim that hasn't had experience chatting with these poor deluded souls, that might seem peculiar, perhaps even a declaration of Muhammad's divinity.

But the poor deluded soul makes that claim, because Muhammad told his followers that Muhammad's words were his "Allah's" words, and since the poor fellow was indoctrinated into Muhammad's "religion" he believes Muhammad, without any corroborating witnesses.
To a non-Muslim, and particularly a Christian, the claim that the Quran was written by Allah, is not only preposterous, but outright laughable, once we investigate the behavior of Muhammad and his followers as revealed through their own books.

http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=coitus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all