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http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=868.0There are SOME Pentacostals that hold that the only proof that one has the Holy Spirit, is if one talks in tongues. How do they reconcile that doctrine against this scripture?:
There is nothing wrong with speaking in tongues. It's a gift of the Spirit. But what language is being spoken, who is interpreting, and for whose benefit? Bruce Olson (
"Bruchko") saved a whole tribe of South American jungle dwellers. He left for a short time and while he was gone, that tribe had saved another whole tribe, even though not a single person from either tribe knew the language of the other.
Talking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit. But when we find churches that hold doctrine, that claims it is some sort of proof of salvation, and so they engage in a peep and mutter show among the brethren every Sunday, there is a good chance they are channeling tongues of unclean spirits. To suggest that everybody should be talking in tongues is to suggest that the body of Christ is all eyes, or all hands.
(KJV) 1 Corinthians 12:1
Now concerning spiritual [gifts], brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where [were] the body? Does that read like everyone in church should be speaking in tongues?
Excellent book if you can find it, "Demons in the Church" by Ellis Skolfield.
20 But now [are they] many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those [members] of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely [parts] have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely [parts] have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that [part] which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but [that] the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. That is the order of importance God seems to assign to it. Is everyone expected to prophesy too? What happens when an 8 year old kid comes to understand that the only way he can know that he is saved is if he speaks in tongues? He is going to do everything in his power to invite unclean spirits, and his fellow parishioners are going to be more than sufficient to help impart them to him by laying on hands and such.
You can scroll to the 1:30 mark in this video to get an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW06j1iV08E 29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. The answer is apparent.
1Cr 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1Cr 14:6
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? The important thing is to try the spirits that are giving utterance to know whether they are of God.Good video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3cLChnG_mERest of the videos on his channel here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JesusCTK Tod Bentley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9Ay4QAtW8 A good read on this subject is Demons in the Church by Ellis Skolfield available free at this link.
http://www.israelinbibleprophecy.com/demons_in_the_church.htm
