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Conversation between Pete and JFL
« on: September 19, 2008, 11:21:17 AM »
This conversation copied from a YouTube and pasted here for more space and continuity.

JFL (1 week ago)
What you are quoting is not from Quran which shows you are ignorant


PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
As I credit on the first page the Quotes are from the Yusuf Ali version of the Quran. This is the most sanitized, English version of the Quran. The one most widely quoted in the U.S.
You can check the quotes here:
usc . edu/dept/MSA/quran

Or are you just engaging in taqiyyah?


JFL (1 week ago)
It is up to us whether we want to find TRUTH or LIES about God's words. Both are available in abundance.

I am a Muslim & will never quote from a worst and evil intended interpretation of Bible or Torah or any other book sent by The God of Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad.

I have read Quran from cover to cover in 3 languages and no where it says Jews will hide behind rocks...etc.
When we will stand in front of same God, saying "Yusuf Ali misled me" will not safe anyone from Heal Fire


PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
Sorry but I quoted from the most universally accepted English version of God's Word, the King James, and I quoted from the most sanitized and widely quoted (by western Muslims) version of the Quran translated by Yusuf Ali.

Even still, it should be painfully obvious when we see that they are DIRECT OPPOSITES, that it's not a mere matter of translation.

Particularly when we see that Mohammedanism is the only anti-another-religion, religion, by design. Islam is antichrist.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
The "Jews hide behind the rock and tree" verse is from the Hadith. For fundamentalists the Hadith is considered necessary. Teaches Muslims how to be like Mohammed.

You aren't trying very hard.
I just Yahooed in quotes "jews will hide behind" and got 6250 sites. Looked like they were virtually all quoting that verse from the Hadith.

Or YouTube search - global jihad - and every other Imam you see on video will spew that filth. Nothing new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8


JFL (5 days ago)
God says in Quran: Do not argue with ignorant people & leave their matter to me. I have prepared hell fire for them.

God also says in Quran, those Christians who have true faith when they read Quran, tears start boiling from their eyes & they fall on their faces & say it is from Jesus's God.

Those who have faith when they read Quran their faith gets stronger and those who are misguided when they read Quran they get more misguided. Fear the DAY when u will stand naked before the same God.


PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
The reason the Quran discourages you from arguing with others, and from being friends with non-Muslims is to prevent you from seeing the truth of God's Word. The Quran IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
You worship in the stand-alone 7th century religion of an individual that is the opposite of God's Word, and everything revealed through Jesus Christ.
The Quran denies the Crucifixion. That's the whole subject of the New Testament. Islam is antichrist, denying the Son.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
I've got a little news for you regarding judgment:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


JFL (9 hours ago)
So in your opinion the Son will be judged & you will not be punished for your sins. Perhaps thats why the followers of fabricated Bible killed 60 million in WW-II & millions in US Revolution, US Civil War, US Spanish War, WW-I, Korean War, Vietnam War.. AND FEEL NO SHAME ABOUT IT caus they do not need to worry, the son will be judged.

Well then keep committing crimes & let all judgment be committed unto the Son.

This is not the Christianity which Jesus preached.


JFL (9 hours ago)
I love Jesus the son of Mary (not son of God) I follow his teaching but all christians regardless of thier sect are not Jesus followers. can I prove it O yes. Christians say Jesus is God but Jesus said he's not. Christian says God is a man but Bible says God is not a man that they should repent. Only Muslim beliefs conform with Jesus teachings. So you should repent and study Quran with intention to find guidance not to find excuses to denounce it. If u want u can even say angles are evel...


JFL (3 days ago)
God commands not to argue with
IGNORANT ("not OTHERS") people like you who twist God's & Jesus's words
Quran does not stop from being friends with non-Muslims, you are twisting even my words
God told not to argue with IGNORANT people caus it is a waste of time.

People who belive God had son are IGNORANT & only one son, why not a million sons. Most Arab men have dozens of sons and God could produce only one.

Can u say anything more IGNORANT than thinking of God as if he is a human


PeteWaldo (3 days ago)
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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G (1 week ago)
Many signs prove that Islam is not antichrist because the antichrist is worshipped and he rules on 7 mountains, the 7 mountains of Rome, so the Antichrist is coming from the core of catholicism itself.
Some people said the antichrist is hitler,nyron, Islam, but according to the book of revelation the antichrist is a king who will say : i am the god and i forgive sins.I dont think this happens in Islam, next time do a general research not specifically on 1 hadith.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
God isn't about what we wish He is G. God is about how He revealed Himself through His Word.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

"shirk" is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL IN ISLAM, manifest in specific denial that God has a Son. Now read the verse again.
Islam is also the only anti-another-religion, religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE
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PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Get the drift?


JFL (9 hours ago)
drfit is the only answer you can come up with.
You are beginning to sound like a retarded creature unable to see, hear, think, analyze & make intelligent responses.

I do not run from Quran, I read it in morning & at night & more I read it more clearly I see path to Gods mercy.

You are not first one to reject a prophet with clear signs of prophethood. Hope u know what happened to those who rejected prophets before.

SOON Jesus will return & people like u will reject him as well.


JFL (5 days ago)
What page of Yusuf Ali's translation is following: "Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock.."
You are so ignorant that u dnt even know meaning of "Hadith"
Hadith is not Quran & hadith u are quoting was fabricated by Christians like you to make Muslims & Jews fight with each other.

If you are telling truth, you will not need to play the trick of mixing Hadith with Quran.

We worship God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus & Mohammad. By insulting that God you are not earning heaven. Fear the DAY


PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
It was fabricated by Satan.
Sunna: Sahih Muslim:
Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
If my book was filled with so many conspicuously Satanic verses I would be trying to run away from them too. I feel so sorry for you.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
Search global jihad, or islamic terror on YouTube and you can hear this vile filth coming directly from the mouths of your "holy men".
Indeed the Mufti of Jerusalem was shoulder to shoulder with Hitler in genocide of Jews. There were 2 Islamic panzer divisions in Hitler's army. This stuff isn't a secret JFL. All you need is a love of the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg


JFL (3 days ago)
The Bible u are following is fake. If it was Jesus's Bible, then there will be only one version of Bible. Quran has only one version for 14 centuries.
God challanged everyone to even write one verse like Quran, for 14 centuries no one has been able to do it.

I feel sorry for you and you will feel sorry for yourself on the day of judgement.

If Quran is not God's word you will not be punished for NOT insulting it.

But if Quran is God's word you will be punished for insulting it.


JFL(9 hours ago)
Why should I run away from a book i.e. Quran, through which God talks directly to me & tells me which deads please God & which deads lead to problems in both worlds. A book in which God says on every 2nd page that he is the most mercyful & will forgive sins committed by mistake & sins which are repented sincerly The only sin he promised NOT to forgive is "shirk" i.e. associating partners/son(s) to him. Like some Jews & SOME Christians do & SOME Christians even say Jesus was God

JFL (9 hours ago)
which year Sahih Muslim was written. 200 years after prophet Mohammad's death.

If you write a book about what your g, g, grand father said 200 years ago, how accurate it will be. Would n't enemies of your ggg father push false, confusing, cunning statements into your book & despite good intensions u will have no way to find truth.

Thats the difference between Bible & Quran.

Bible is a mixture of Bible + fiction + stanic ideas + wishes of donors + etc. + etc.

Quran is pure.

JFL (9 hours ago)
You can only wish I will run away from Quran. And even u feel the only way you can challange Quran is by taking quotes from a book which was written 200 years after prophets death. Muslims consult those books only when they need more explanation of a point made by God in Quran.

Soon there will be versions of Bible which will have verses glorifying homosexuality as an act of worship & u will start saying yeah Jesus said so as well. Thats how idea of God having a son got into Christianity.
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Re: Conversation between Pete and JFL
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 11:28:23 AM »
4 PARTY CONVERSATION BEGAN

flo (6 days ago)
Any one can tell that the person who made up this video is suffering from a mental and emotional illness called "HATE". It is easy to put words together and create a missleading clips, but it is difficult to do so if you have morals and a little respect for your ownslef... ISLAM has more than 1 Billion followers and it is the fastest growing religion on earth, So my advice to you is to clean your heart from hate and do some accurate research if you are truely seeking the truth..

aisha (6 days ago)
is;am is the ones with hate. look at your koran

JFL (10 hours ago)
which book were those following who killed 60 million in WW-II? I wont mention the numbers killed, in US Revolution, US Civil War, US Spanish War, WW-I, Korean War, Vietnam War... Should I continue?

Those who kill millions are peaceful. unless you are a Barbarian, it would not make sense


PeteWaldo (6 days ago)
I love Muslims. I love the things that God loves, and hate the things that God hates. Mohammedanism is a stand-alone religion of THE false prophet. That's why I am devoted to Muslims (1.5 billion). They have been deluded.

If you think it is easy to put hateful words together from the New Testament, the new covenant we are given through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, please come to the forum and show us.
brotherpete . com/index . php?board=12.0
May God bless you and lead you into the truth.

PeteWaldo (6 days ago)
As far as fastest growing religion, it is true that Muslims populate like bunnies. They even outpopulate the Hindus in India by 50%.
Is size a good indicator?

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

PeteWaldo (6 days ago)
2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord...shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 [EVEN HIM], WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN...10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth...
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 12:49:41 PM »
PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
The reason the Quran discourages you from arguing with others, and from being friends with non-Muslims is to prevent you from seeing the truth of God's Word. The Quran IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
You worship in the stand-alone 7th century religion of an individual that is the opposite of God's Word, and everything revealed through Jesus Christ.
The Quran denies the Crucifixion. That's the whole subject of the New Testament. Islam is antichrist, denying the Son.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
I've got a little news for you regarding judgment:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


JFL (9 hours ago)
So in your opinion the Son will be judged ...

Jesus, The Son of God, will judge you and I. It doesn't have anything to do with my opinion.
THE SON OF GOD WILL BE YOUR JUDGE.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
The Son of God is described within the context of over 100 verses that declare Jesus to be the Son of God:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=56.0

..& you will not be punished for your sins.

No I won't. The Word of God says I am saved from my sins through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

But you are asking the wrong question my friend. The question is, how will you be judged by the Son of God, for rejecting the Son of God? For rejecting the record of God's Word?

1Jo 5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; because HE BELIEVED NOT THE RECORD that God gave of his Son.

For rejecting His blood. The WHOLE SUBJECT AND PURPOSE OF JESUS:
Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

Perhaps thats why the followers of fabricated Bible killed 60 million in WW-II & millions in US Revolution, US Civil War, US Spanish War, WW-I, Korean War, Vietnam War.. AND FEEL NO SHAME ABOUT IT caus they do not need to worry, the son will be judged.

You are throwing up the typical Muslim smokescreen in your effort to escape. Specifically that western culture = Christianity. But it doesn't. There is only one way to tell a Christian.

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:  30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.  31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.  32  And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Jhn 13:35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Does that preclude coming to the defense of those that can't defend themselves? I don't believe it does.
Was the west correct in engaging in WW2 against the genocide of the Jews perpetrated by Adolf Hitler and the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem? Yes I believe we were. There were 2 Islamic panzer divisions of Muslims recruited into Hitler's army.
Islam proved to be the perfect fit with Hitler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=113.0

Well then keep committing crimes & let all judgment be committed unto the Son.

This is not the Christianity which Jesus preached.

The imperialistic conquest, inquisition and murder of Jews, Muslims and Christians of the Roman church was indeed not the Christianity that Jesus preached. We can judge those actions in light of the verses immediately above.

Murder and conquest is the stuff that Mohammed preached. That was the stuff of the Islamic first Jihad, and the 11,888 murdered by Islam, around the world in this second Islamic Jihad, just since 9-11. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ The stuff of the middle eastern Muslims in the cradle of the religion, that understand Islam.
Islam is always the opposite.
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 01:13:54 PM »

G (1 week ago)
Many signs prove that Islam is not antichrist because the antichrist is worshipped and he rules on 7 mountains, the 7 mountains of Rome, so the Antichrist is coming from the core of catholicism itself.
Some people said the antichrist is hitler,nyron, Islam, but according to the book of revelation the antichrist is a king who will say : i am the god and i forgive sins.I dont think this happens in Islam, next time do a general research not specifically on 1 hadith.

PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
God isn't about what we wish He is G. God is about how He revealed Himself through His Word.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

"shirk" is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL IN ISLAM, manifest in specific denial that God has a Son. Now read the verse again.
Islam is also the only anti-another-religion, religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbvtuW4ZFE
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PeteWaldo (1 week ago)
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 INDEED YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!

1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Get the drift?


JFL (9 hours ago)
drfit is the only answer you can come up with.
You are beginning to sound like a retarded creature unable to see, hear, think, analyze & make intelligent responses.

I do not run from Quran, I read it in morning & at night & more I read it more clearly I see path to Gods mercy.

You are not first one to reject a prophet with clear signs of prophethood. Hope u know what happened to those who rejected prophets before.

SOON Jesus will return & people like u will reject him as well.

The subject of the bible is the prophesied Messiah. He is the Son of God and died on the Cross to save you and me from our sins. Mohammed penned a book that IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
You have already rejected God's prophets and Jesus in favor of a false prophet and his 7th century, 23 year record, of Mohammedanism.
It doesn't matter when Jesus will return.
IF YOU DIE IN A CAR WRECK TODAY, ARE YOU READY TO BE JUDGED BY THE SON OF GOD?

If your YouTube profile is correct you are 98 years old. It could be that your final judgment isn't that far off my friend.

There is no vacationing, or temporary stop-off in hell. That is a Mohammedan satanic deception:

Luke 16:23-29 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

THERE IS NO COMMUTING BETWEEN HELL AND HEAVEN.


JFL (5 days ago)
What page of Yusuf Ali's translation is following: "Hadith: Jews will hide behind the rock.."
You are so ignorant that u dnt even know meaning of "Hadith"
Hadith is not Quran & hadith u are quoting was fabricated by Christians like you to make Muslims & Jews fight with each other.

If you are telling truth, you will not need to play the trick of mixing Hadith with Quran.

We worship God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus & Mohammad. By insulting that God you are not earning heaven. Fear the DAY


PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
It was fabricated by Satan.
Sunna: Sahih Muslim:
Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
If my book was filled with so many conspicuously Satanic verses I would be trying to run away from them too. I feel so sorry for you.

PeteWaldo (5 days ago)
Search global jihad, or islamic terror on YouTube and you can hear this vile filth coming directly from the mouths of your "holy men".
Indeed the Mufti of Jerusalem was shoulder to shoulder with Hitler in genocide of Jews. There were 2 Islamic panzer divisions in Hitler's army. This stuff isn't a secret 786. All you need is a love of the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg


JFL (3 days ago)
The Bible u are following is fake. If it was Jesus's Bible, then there will be only one version of Bible.

God's people have always been under satanic attack. John even writes about heresy in the church by late first century in the book of Revelation: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev002.html

God's Word has been under attack particularly in the last 2 centuries covered here:
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=81.0

The 19th century in particular brought a large number of cults into the church. This may well be a sign of the times:
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/traditional_framework.htm#cults

The problem comes when men create traditions and men teach and follow them. Just like the Pharisees. Just like the Mohammedan cult. It's not the failure of God. It's men's unwillingness to seek out the truth.

Quran has only one version for 14 centuries.

But one only needs to look at the doctrine of abrogation that effects 71 out of 114 suras in the Quran to realize what a preposterous book it is. How could Allah be so confused that he couldn't keep things straight over a period of just 23 years and so required a rule of abrogation to clean the mess up? http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 

God challanged everyone to even write one verse like Quran, for 14 centuries no one has been able to do it.

I feel sorry for you and you will feel sorry for yourself on the day of judgement.

If Quran is not God's word you will not be punished for NOT insulting it.

But if Quran is God's word you will be punished for insulting it.

Why can't you see that you will be judged the same way? I follow the 1600 year revelation of God to mankind that IS God's Holy Word. You follow the 23 year record OF A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL that never even performed a miracle. But more importantly whose book IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what it says in God's Word.

John 3:16 For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sura 19:88 THEY SAY: “(ALLAH) Most Gracious HAS BEGOTTEN A SON!" 89 Indeed YE HAVE PUT FORTH A THING MOST MONSTROUS!
Matthew 26:28 For this is MY BLOOD of the new testament, which is SHED FOR MANY for the remission of sins.
Surah 4:157 That THEY SAID..."WE KILLED CHRIST Jesus...BUT THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM,..


JFL(9 hours ago)
Why should I run away from a book i.e. Quran, through which God talks directly to me & tells me which deads please God & which deads lead to problems in both worlds. A book in which God says on every 2nd page that he is the most mercyful & will forgive sins committed by mistake & sins which are repented sincerly The only sin he promised NOT to forgive is "shirk" i.e. associating partners/son(s) to him. Like some Jews & SOME Christians do & SOME Christians even say Jesus was God

Mohammed lied to you. Christians believe in ONE GOD, as revealed through His Word:
Mark 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.  31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.  32  And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Christians say Jesus is God because He IS God. Jesus is a part of God, just like God's Spirit is a part of God:

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him:...

God's name is I AM (YHWH): Exd 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

That's why they wanted to stone Him. That's why they crucified Him. Because Jesus claimed He is God.
Jhn 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.


JFL (3 days ago)
The Bible u are following is fake. If it was Jesus's Bible, then there will be only one version of Bible. Quran has only one version for 14 centuries.
God challanged everyone to even write one verse like Quran, for 14 centuries no one has been able to do it.

I feel sorry for you and you will feel sorry for yourself on the day of judgement.

If Quran is not God's word you will not be punished for NOT insulting it.

But if Quran is God's word you will be punished for insulting it.

JFL (9 hours ago)
which year Sahih Muslim was written. 200 years after prophet Mohammad's death.

If you write a book about what your g, g, grand father said 200 years ago, how accurate it will be. Would n't enemies of your ggg father push false, confusing, cunning statements into your book & despite good intensions u will have no way to find truth.

Thats the difference between Bible & Quran.

Bible is a mixture of Bible + fiction + stanic ideas + wishes of donors + etc. + etc.

Quran is pure.

Quran is pure?
Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

That's preposterous. Not abrogated.... just.... substituted!!!.... for something.... better!!!!..... or... er... similar!!!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

How do you suppose that over the short 23 year period of Mohammed's composing the Quran, that Allah was so confused, that 71 out of 114 surahs are subject to the doctrine of abrogation, in a feeble attempt to straighten out the mess? You know, the Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh. The book that attempts to salvage a false doctrine penned by the false prophet: http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=131.0

JFL (9 hours ago)
You can only wish I will run away from Quran. And even u feel the only way you can challange Quran is by taking quotes from a book which was written 200 years after prophets death. Muslims consult those books only when they need more explanation of a point made by God in Quran.

You're deluded my friend. Those books and the Quran are why there have been 11,888 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11.  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Soon there will be versions of Bible which will have verses glorifying homosexuality as an act of worship & u will start saying yeah Jesus said so as well. Thats how idea of God having a son got into Christianity.


I only wish you could see the truth of God's Word - THE OPPOSITE - of Mohammed, the Quran, Islam, and Muslims.
Christians confess the Son of God. Muslims reject the Son of God.
Christians are washed by the blood of Jesus Christ. Muslims reject the blood that would save them.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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