Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

[majmal]

With the name of God the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful


The Quran swears by destruction of stars and the subsequent formation of black holes to prove it is sent by God. (In 53:1 An oath by the destruction of stars is taken, In 56:75-76 An oath by the enormity of this event is taken, In 81:15-18 Formation of black holes which form after the destruction of giant stars and the fact that matter and light cannot escape is mentioned) - Below are the specific ayaat:


53:1: By the star when it Hawa (destructs, blows up)

53:2: Has neither Dalla (gone astray), Your Companion (Muhammad Blessings and Peace of God be upon him) nor Ghawa (nor is being misled)

53:3: Nor does he speak from Hawa (emotion)

53:4: It is not but a Wahi (revelation, inspiration) Yuha (revealed, inspired)



56:75: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by the mawaq'i (occurrences, events) of the Nujuum (stars)

56:76: And indeed, it is surely an oath - if you knew - Azeem (tremendous, A supernova is a tremendous event during which more energy may be released than the Sun will in its entire life span)

56:77: That (this) is indeed a recital Kareem (honorable, the Qur'an in Arabic).

56:78: In a Book kept Maknoon (hidden).

56:79: Which (that Book with God) none can touch but the Mutaharoon (purified, the angels, the book in which is pre-written everything that will occur)

56:80: (It is) a tanzeel (sending down of revelation) from the Lord of the Alameen (human beings and Jinn (another creation given the gift of speech))

56:81: Then is it to this statement that you are Mudhinoon (indifferent)

56:82: And make (the thanks) for your provision that you Tukaziboon (lie about the Provider)

56:83: Then why (do you) not, when (death) reaches the Hulqoom (throat)

56:84: And you are at that time Tanzuroon (looking on)

56:85: And we (angels) are nearer to him than you, but you do not Tubsiroon (see)

56:86: Then why (do you) not, if you are not to be Madineen (recompensed, punished or rewarded)

56:87: Bring it (the soul) back, if you are Sadiqeen (truthful?)

56:88: If (the deceased) was of the Muqarabeen (close to God, from the foremost in doing good works)

56:89: Then (for him is) rauh and rayhan and a garden of Naeem (pleasure)

56:90: And if he was of the Ashab Al-Yameen (people of the right)

56:91: Then salam (safety from all bad things, paradise as well) for you, from the Ashab Al-Yameen.

56:92: But if he was from the Mukazibeen (liars and who were) Daaleen (astray, e.g. people with lots of money who didn't care about the starving)

56:93: Then (for him is) accommodation of Hameem (intensely hot scalding water)

56:94: And burning in Jaheem (intense Hellfire)

56:95: Verily, this! This is Haq-ul-Yaqeen (the Truth with certainty)

56:96: Fa sabbih (So declare free from faults) the name of your Lord, Al-Azeem (Tremendous)



81:15: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by Khunnas (drawn together objects) (When a massive star destructs, it subsequently draws together i.e. 10 times the mass of the sun is drawn to within a 30 km diameter in the stellar category of black holes)

81:16: Those that run (their courses) and Kunnas (sweep whatever is in their path, matter cannot escape)

81:17: And the night as it us'us (the darkness of a black hole is different than regular darkness)

81:18: And the light as it Tanaffus (As it gets pulled in, even light cannot escape)

81:19: Verily, this is the Word (this Qur'an brought by) a messenger Kareem (honourable, Jibrael (Gabriel), from God to the last human messenger)

81:20: (Who is) possessed of power and with the Owner of the Arsh (uppermost construction in heaven), Makeen (secure in position),

81:21: Obeyed there (in the heavens) and Ameen (trustworthy)

81:22: And your companion is not (at all) Majnoon (mad)

81:23: And he has already seen him (Gabriel) in the horizon Mubeen (clear)

81:24: And he (the last messenger) is not with the unseen Daneen (a with-holder, concealer of knowledge)

81:25: And it (the Qur'an) is not the word of Satan, Rajeem (expelled from the heavens).

81:26: So where are you Tazhaboon (going?)

81:27: It (the Quran) is not except a remembrance for the Alameen

81:28: For whoever wills among you that (he or she) Yastaqeem (stay straight, do what is right and avoid straying from what is right)

81:29: And you will not, except (it be) that Allah wills - Lord of the Alameen.


You may verify the words above using an arabic-english lexicon visit: http://tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ or http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm or corpus.quran.com

[PeteWaldo]

Hello my friend, and welcome to the forum!
There is certainly no shortage of folks trying to take Muhammad's words and twist them into fitting one sort of a "miracle" of prophecy or another. We have a thread devoted to some of them.
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2394.msg9914#msg9914

Also, there is no shortage of such con jobs being perpetrated against the followers of Muhammad, like the movie "This is Truth":
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=3178

You can usually dispel the stuff by using a search engine and put "hoax" or "refuted" or "debunked" after the subject. Like:
black hole quran debunked
One of the results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFavFQKFvZ8
and http://www.skeptical-science.com/religion/todays-daft-claim-black-hole-discovered-quran-nope/

I don't think you will be well served if we remain stuck in such a narrow trifling detail, based purely on presumption. Let's take a look at the whole subject of the Gospel, which is the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Lamb of God, who saves all from sin who have faith in His shed blood.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/the_lamb_slain.htm

Even Muslims are taught that the first drop of blood of a Muslim "martyr" provides propitiation for 70 of his family members. This is exactly why God sent His Son to be the Savior of the world, through His one sacrifice for sins, forever.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

He is all we need.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Now please compare your black hole exercise in presumption of prophecy, in the 23 year record of the Quran, with the mathematical odds of just a few of the prophesies in the 1600 year record of YHWH to mankind (about 1/4 of the Bible is prophecy), and the Old Testament prophet's prophesies of their coming Messiah, with the fulfillment of those prophesies so many hundreds of years later:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/bible_prophecy.htm

An example is this Old Testament prophecy is Jesus' crucifixion, prophesied in the book of Psalms many hundreds of years before the event, and even hundreds of years before crucifixion was ever even invented!

Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.   17 I may tell all my bones: they look [and] stare upon me.   18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm

That is confirmed as fulfilled, not only by Jesus' crucifixion, but right down to the parting of Jesus' garments and casting lots for them:

Mat 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

Crucified just as Jesus Himself had prophesied of His own crucifixion, death and resurrection:

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 20:17 And Jesus going up to Jerusalem took the twelve disciples apart in the way, and said unto them, 18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again.

Jesus also cited His own prophecy, after it was fulfilled:

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

Here's another example of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God in the Old Testament book of Isaiah:
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/isaiah_53.htm

It also wouldn't hurt for you to investigate the origins of Islamic rituals like Ramadan.

Again, welcome to the forum majmal!

[majmal]

I hope you found this post interesting.

[Bistabuster]

I hope you found Pete's comments about who you need as a Savior.  We all pray for your salvation through Jesus Christ.

[PeteWaldo]

I hope you found this post interesting.

Hi Majmal, since you agreed to engage in an exchange as part of the terms of joining the forum, I would have thought you would have looked forward to the opportunity to respond to my reply to your post, and the links and web searches I prepared for you to click on which debunk the black hole claim.
If you break my post down part by part it will be easier to reply.
If you are unable to read English (and are using a Google translator or something like that) it would be a good time to let us know that you suffer an incapacity to respond.

In case you didn't do the search, there are many sites that debunk your vague black hole presumption:
http://www.skeptical-science.com/religion/todays-daft-claim-black-hole-discovered-quran-nope/

Before bringing any more of these miracles please visit the debunking of them at this site:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm

Specifically on the black hole claim:
http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm#5

Small snippet from that link:

Haroon Yahya wrote to his site:

    “The 20th century saw a great many new discoveries regarding celestial phenomena in the universe. One of these entities, which has only recently been encountered, is the Black Hole. These are formed when a star which has consumed all its fuel collapses in on itself, eventually turning into a black hole with infinite density and zero volume and an immensely powerful magnetic field. We are unable to see black holes even with the most powerful telescope, because their gravitational pull is so strong that light is unable to escape from them. However, such a collapsed star can be perceived by means of the effect it has on the surrounding area. In Surat al-Waqi'a, Allah draws attention this matter in this way, by swearing upon the position of stars:

    And I swear by the stars' positions-and that is a mighty oath if you only knew. (Qur'an, 56:75-76)”

Amar Khan

"This verse doesn’t say anything about a collapsed star. Only the position of the stars. It is the conjecture of the Islamist that the verse refers to collapsed stars. In fact, some translations allude to shooting or falling stars, i.e. meteors.

    Khalifa: I swear by the positions of the stars.

    Yusuf Ali: Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars,-

    Pickthall: Nay, I swear by the places of the stars -

    Shakir: But nay! I swear by the falling of stars;

    Sher Ali: Nay, I cite as proof the shooting of the stars -

    "Progressive Muslims": I swear by the positions of the stars.

This surah does not speak about black holes at all, but about the Day of Decision (aka Day of Judgment). Therefore, it cannot possibly refer to black holes which were formed and continue to be formed long before this specific day."