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QURAN & ABROGATION
« on: December 28, 2010, 01:36:58 PM »
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QURAN & ABROGATION

Mohammed's early more peaceful recitations from back when he lived in Mecca such as "no compulsion in religion", are inconsistent with his later calls for his followers to "fight", "strike terror into the hearts of", and "smite the unbelievers at the neck", of his post-Medina days. For this reason Islamic scholars understand Mohammed's "revelations" to be a linear progression with later revelations displacing earlier ones. Particularly since Mohammed declared it himself in answer to the critics of his day that pointed out his self-contradiction.

Surah 16:101 When We substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.

Thus the later "stages" of his "revelations" "substitute" for his earlier revelations, when discrepancies arise.

(Yusuf Ali) Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

Asad's translation is perhaps more clear.

Sura 2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?

Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh is the Islamic doctrine of abrogation, and title of the classic book by an Islamic scholar - Abil-Kasim Hibat-Allah Ibn-Salama Abi-Nasr - that details abrogated verses, and what they have been abrogated by. Google the term "naskh" for more.

By way of comparison the revelation of YHWH to mankind spans a period of 16 centuries from Moses to the Messiah and His Apostles. Over those 1600 years mankind progressed from being desert dwelling nomads, to establishing advanced nations with religious laws of the Sanhedrin, as well as the civil law of kings and emperors. In fact the first mechanical computer - the antikythera mechanism - was built a century or two before the Christian era. YHWH revealed Himself to His people through a progression of prophets and witnesses as mankind developed.

However the Qur'an's 71 suras that are subject to abrogation out of only 114 total, recited over the brief 23 year span of a single person's "revelations", doesn't suggest divine inspiration as much as the changing whims of it's author.

To quote Don Richardson from "Secrets of the Koran"
"By Mohammed's day, 1,500 years had passed since any Hebrew prophet was described in the Old Testament as using a sword in the service of God. Neither Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Micah, Amos, Malachi nor any other later Hebrew prophet is described as using the sword or prescribing its use."

The 1600 year record of YHWH culminated in the revelation of the Messiah, the Prince of Peace, the sinless Lamb of God, while Mohammed's revelations progressed in the exact opposite direction from peaceful to violent.

Mohammed was barely able to win a hundred converts during the first 13 years of his more peaceful recitations in Mecca. Then Mohammed and his followers left Mecca for Medina in 622 AD - known as the Hijra - where he enlisted a couple local bandit tribes, picked up the sword and began the spread of Islam through imperialistic conquest and subjugation of the vanquished to his religion. The Islamic calendar doesn't even begin until this Hijra flip from peaceful to violent.

Thus the sura from Mohammed's early Mecca days ....

Sura 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion...

... is abrogated by about a hundred verses that suggest violence against non-Muslims as the "better" "substitute" from his later post-Hijra days like ....

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

And

Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The word "Jizya" means penalty, and is a tax levied on those attacked and vanquished, so their new masters can parasitize the fruit of their labor. It is a "protection" tax that works the way the Mafia sells "protection" to restaurant, bar owners and shop keepers, to protect them from ....... the Mafia. Non-muslims were to feel enslaved, and as they paid the tax to their Islamic masters they were subject to being slapped across the face, to further humiliate them and reinforce the nature of the relationship. Those that submitted to Mohammed's religion were not subject to the Jizya tax, just like young people in the U.S. that convert to Islam will not be forced to buy health insurance under obamacare. Please Google - obamacare dhimmitude - or visit the subject in our forum to understand more about how dhimmitude works.


Mohammed even recited a contradiction that contradicts his tacit admissions of contradiction.

Sura 4.82 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

Naive westerners indoctrinated through dissimulation into Mohammed's stand-alone 7th century religion parrot what they have been taught about Islam being a religion of peace. True Muslims that live in the cradle of Mohammed's religion that imitate Mohammed's own deeds, view Muslims that reject the 1400 year Islamic goal of imperialistic conquest of all the kingdoms of the world, as apostates. This is why Muslims on the sidelines remain largely silent in regard to Islamic terrorism.

Others that proclaim Islam to be a religion of peace may be purveyors of taqiyyah, or Islamic subterfuge and dissimulation, whitewashing Islam to deceive folks in non-Islamic states into accepting it, until they gain the power to begin making demands. These deceivers are the ones so often spotlighted by western media dupes, even as the same pundits remain silent on Mohammed's followers responsibility for the killing of over two million innocents in the Sudan alone, let alone in regard to Christian persecution all over the rest of the world.

When Mohammed's call to violence against non-muslims is pointed out to western Muslims, many have been trained to cry "you are taking those verses out of context", and suggest that they are references to specific events. But to this I would ask of our Muslim friends, which of the following imperialistic conquests of the Islamic First Jihad, were Mohammed's followers not to .....

Sura 8:12 ....instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks...

623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain

It's obvious that Islam has not been a religion of peace from the beginning of the Islamic calendar at Hijra, with Mohammed himself having had 800 Jewish farm boys and their dads of the Banu Quraisa brought before him and beheaded, while sexually enslaving their wives and children, and stealing their property.

Indeed, by the time the Islamic hordes arrived in Tours France in 732, they were traveling with so much stolen property or as the Quran calls it "booty", that it impeded their escape after their failed assault.

Nor is Islam a religion of peace today with over 16,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world just since 9-11, as meticulously logged by the folks at TheReligionOfPeace.com, that were perpetrated by those that behave as Mohammed did.

As Benjamin Netanyahu said "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel". Muslim leaders vow to "drive the Jews into the sea" and "kill all the Jews" and conquer Israel, even as Muslims enjoy more freedom in Israel's democracy today, than Muslims do in any Islamic state.

Ironically western peace loving Muslims are cheering on their own destruction, because just as Mohammed's call to violence abrogates his earlier notions of peace, the most violent of Mohammed's true followers that "strike terror into the hearts" of the innocent, will be the ultimate arbiters of Islam "nullifying" any peacenick apostates that find it repugnant to imitate the violence of their prophet.

Blessedly according to Islamic scholars 75% of so-called converts to Islam in the U.S. leave within a few years. To our Muslim friends, why not come out of Mohammed's stand-alone 7th century religion, and prostration toward the Quraish's black stone idol and Kaaba in Mecca, to join us in following the one true God through the Prince of Peace - the sinless Messiah - the Lamb of God?

1John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

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