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Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 08:12:41 AM »
Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction?
http://www.abnsat.com/abnnew/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=70&video_id=156

Typical debate with one of Deedat's sorely deceived dupes ignoring points and answers raised to the errors in his nonsense that were pointed out to him by the Christian, while instead repeating his nonsense that has already been answered to and soundly refuted. Poor fellow's self-imposed deafness is stunning. As well as outright lying about what the Christian said.

A good point was raised in this debate that has been brought up more than once in this forum. Muslims declare that Yahweh would not let Yeshua die such a painful and humiliating death. In other words they prefer to gain their understanding through their emotions, opinions and failed logic, rather than the record of the events as detailed in scripture.
However their own Quran admits to prophets being slain.

And (remember) when you said, "O Musa (Moses)! We cannot endure one kind of food. So invoke your Lord for us to bring forth for us of what the earth grows, its herbs, its cucumbers, its Fum (wheat or garlic), its lentils and its onions." He said, "Would you exchange that which is better for that which is lower? Go you down to any town and you shall find what you want!" And they were covered with humiliation and misery, and they drew on themselves the Wrath of Allah. That was because they used to disbelieve the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations etc.) of Allah and killed the prophets wrongfully. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress the bounds (in their disobedience to Allah, i.e. commit crimes and sins).
(  Ø³ÙˆØ±Ø© البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #61)

Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allah, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allah, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and killed the prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allah) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allah's disobedience, crimes and sins).
(  Ø³ÙˆØ±Ø© آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #112)
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=prophet+killed&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Yet they are prohibited from making distinctions between prophets.

And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them (Messengers), We shall give them their rewards; and Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
(  Ø³ÙˆØ±Ø© النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #152)
http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php?keyword=make+no+distinction&chapter=&translator=5&search=1&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

So why wouldn't they expect Jesus to meet the same fate as so many other prophets, as well as those who followed Jesus in the first century, and as Jesus' followers have throughout the Christian era?
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More on his nonsense regarding those hanged accursed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=948.0