Buying or selling without the mark of the Beast

[shorttribber]

I used the search box for "the mark of the beast" and nothing came up.....I know the 666 and how it pertains to Islam and the Koran...I agree....now how is the "not able to buy or sell" without the mark explained?

I agree with everything on this site primarily....just looking to connect all the parts together.

Sorry also if the answer is already there but as I said i did a search and hoping someone will address this.....Peter?

[Peter]

I used the search box for "the mark of the beast" and nothing came up.....I know the 666 and how it pertains to Islam and the Koran...I agree....now how is the "not able to buy or sell" without the mark explained?

I agree with everything on this site primarily....just looking to connect all the parts together.

Sorry also if the answer is already there but as I said i did a search and hoping someone will address this.....Peter?

When you do a search make sure you are backed all the way out to where all the categories appear before typing in the search box (unless you are doing a narrower search within a category, or even a single thread). Also if you did use quotation marks, removing them will give you a wider range of options.
Try these links for mark of the beast
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=510.0
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/islam__quran_and_666.htm#the_tragedy

[Peter]

A little more anecdotal perhaps. Until I just Googled it I didn't know there was a name for this mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_bump



Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam (Muslims)}, or the number {666} of his name.

Bible prophecy is ethnographic, that is, about the Holy Land and surrounding. Outside of Israel, John's whole "world" is nearly 100% Muslim.

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[shorttribber]

I agree with all you have researched about the "mark", but i as you did in the past, believe it will go worldwide....and very soon.

We're going to see how all these things shake out in a hurry IMO.

[Peter]

I agree with all you have researched about the "mark", but i as you did in the past, believe it will go worldwide....and very soon.

The point is, it doesn't need to, in order to fulfill prophecy. Jesus could return very soon. Perhaps today.

We're going to see how all these things shake out in a hurry IMO.

[shorttribber]

you could be right....but i believe it will go worldwide....we'll see

[Peter]

you could be right....but i believe it will go worldwide....we'll see

But don't decide that something has to happen first!

Matt 24:48 "But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'   49 "and begins to beat [his] fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,   50 "the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for [him] and at an hour that he is not aware of,   51 "and will cut him in two and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[Peter]

Having a continuous-historic view of Revelation you and I certainly at a far greater advantage than the 80 million or so futurists in the U.S., who must necessarily believe that Jesus delays His Second Coming by at least 7 years, since they haven't been raptured yet!

The same pre-trib rapture heresy, offers the allure of judgment deferred. As in a young teenager who is dragged off to church once a week, but lives in "the world" the rest of his life, silently promising to himself "Yea after my mom and dad get raptured and disappear, I will really knuckle down and fly right, since I know I will have 7 years in which to repent. Hey, but right now, living in the world X-boxing and surfing porn is just too much fun!"

Unfortunately for those so sorely deluded, contrary to Margaret MacDonald's "vision" via John Nelson Darby's futurist doctrine, they will likely find that the first trump - is the last. The train will have left the station without them. If there is a risk of failed doctrine, why not fail-safe and be conservative in our understanding, rather than risk our eternity? As we see over and over in this forum with our Muslim friends, simply because you are willing to claim or believe something, doesn't mean it will necessarily, magically, become true.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1326.0

[DreadStorm]

I don't know much - I'm still learning. That being said, I've researched what I've found, and verify it all to be true.
First, watch this, if you haven't come across it already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU0IsWbVDo
And then this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUHhjgE0u0s
Both are on my Youtube channel. I didn't make them, by the way, but they are mirrors of what I'd found.

Then, after that, keep in mind that the Bible is a Middle-Eastern book, and though it is meant for all of us, it was written from that point of view. So saying, when it is warned that you cannot buy and sell, my guess is that it is over there that you cannot buy and sell. Here, we have too many constitutional rights that we can take advantage of for Islam to bear fruit here. Otherwise, how would we take part in the Final Battle against the Antichrist as foretold? (We're the strangers/aliens spoken of that come from across the sea.)

Again, I don't pretend to know everything, far from it. But I'm in the process of writing up a massive report (though not as long as a book, of course) that explains what I've learned in my research. When that's done, I'll post a link. But for now, keep firmly in mind that the Western point of view won't help much - try to look at it from a Middle-Eastern perspective.

[Peter]

Hey DreadStorm and welcome to the forum!

I don't know much - I'm still learning. That being said, I've researched what I've found, and verify it all to be true.
First, watch this, if you haven't come across it already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXU0IsWbVDo
And then this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUHhjgE0u0s
Both are on my Youtube channel. I didn't make them, by the way, but they are mirrors of what I'd found.

Then, after that, keep in mind that the Bible is a Middle-Eastern book, and though it is meant for all of us, it was written from that point of view. So saying, when it is warned that you cannot buy and sell, my guess is that it is over there that you cannot buy and sell.

That is a scholarly view of literature, including scripture. As referenced earlier in this thread, it is called an ethnographic hermeneutic. Strong's definitions agrees.

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_beast.htm#world
world
New Testament Greek Definition:
3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}
feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by
implication of 1093); TDNT - 5:157,674; n f
AV - world 14, earth 1; 15
1) the inhabited earth
1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in
distinction from the lands of the barbarians
1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire
1c) the whole inhabited earth, the world
1d) the inhabitants of the earth, men
2) the universe, the world

Here, we have too many constitutional rights that we can take advantage of for Islam to bear fruit here.

Islam has, and is, bearing fruit here. Blessedly - so far - about 75% of those that "convert" to Muhammadanism in the U.S. leave within a few years. According to Al-Jazerra! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWekSVdTgUI

I figure the 25% are women who made the mistake of having kids with a Muslim and so are stuck faking it to keep their kids. However if we allow the media to keep whitewashing Islam, and young people get even more ignorant, the numbers will be higher.

Otherwise, how would we take part in the Final Battle against the Antichrist as foretold? (We're the strangers/aliens spoken of that come from across the sea.)

Again, I don't pretend to know everything, far from it. But I'm in the process of writing up a massive report (though not as long as a book, of course) that explains what I've learned in my research. When that's done, I'll post a link. But for now, keep firmly in mind that the Western point of view won't help much - try to look at it from a Middle-Eastern perspective.

In the meantime would you please, please, please read "The False Prophet" by Ellis Skolfield. It's absolutely free, and fun to read. For over 30 years brother Skolfield has written about the central role of Islam in end-time prophecy. Try just a chapter to get you interested bro...

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_great_detective.htm

Will view the videos in the morning when I am fresh. Again, welcome to the forum!