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The Pale Horse
« on: June 27, 2011, 11:51:35 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-8zl_rZTRg

THE PALE HORSE

Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

That reads more like a headline than a 2500 year old prophecy.

Egypt broke out in protests near the beginning of the so-called “Arab Spring”, which is another way of saying, the pending conversion of the Middle East to Islamic sharia law with practices such as female circumcision becoming universal, via the Muslim Brotherhood. After all, even a democratic vote, does not a democracy make, particularly when the majority of voters or at least those they will wind up putting in power, desire to kill the Jews and drive them into the sea.

During those protests MSNBC was filming the crowd when a ghostly light green horse and rider appeared in their footage and moved into the crowd. Revelation 6:7 mentions a "pale horse" which is translated from the Koine Greek term...

Strong's
a pale
New Testament Greek Definition:
5515 chloros {khlo-ros'}
from the same as 5514;; adj
AV - green 3, pale 1; 4
1) green
2) yellowish pale

The newscast produced quite a buzz in the YouTube community, with videos like the one at this link embellishing on the MSNBC footage, of this "pale horse" event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLNtDqDpxzI

Viewing prophecy through the traditional continuous-historic context that virtually all Jews and Christians use for Old Testament prophecy, and the reformers applied to New Testament prophecy including the book of Revelation, allows that the fourth seal could indeed be open. Just as the same context brings Muhammad sharply into focus as THE false prophet of the same book. So the image in the video - though anecdotal - is consistent with fulfilled prophecy, and not surprising to behold considering the last 1400 years, and the state of the world today.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/great_tribulation.htm



Death and hell were given power over the fourth part of the earth. Is it a coincidence that "the fourth part of" mankind - 1.5 billion people - are compelled to reject the Son of God and the blood that would save them, as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad? This while Islamic fundamental Muslims are engaged in imperialistic jihad just as Muhammad was. Killing with the sword and with hunger, and with Satan's false doctrine, empowered by Islamist state "beasts" that are financed by western kingdom "beasts" through oil purchase.

Regarding division of "the earth" into parts, is God's interest in the division of the physical earth, or the divisions in the spiritual condition of mankind?

However Islam has made gains, in terms of the physical geography as well, through Islam's time tested strategy of immigrate and populate. Since the kingdoms of the world have been Satan's legal possession ever since Adam's fall, it's no surprise that Islam has lusted after them for 1400 years, and gained many through imperialistic conquest and subjugation of their people to Muhammad's followers.



Islamists advancing recently on the Ivory Coast of Africa, where over a thousand Christians were massacred by the new Muslim government that is supported by Barak Obama, even as he feigns a "humanitarian" effort of arming one of two stone hearted groups of Islamists in Libya, with weapons that will eventually be turned against Israel.

Regarding killing with hunger of that verse, millions are starving in many parts of the world today, and particularly in what the New Testament prophet John knew as his "whole world". In most of the places we find murder, mayhem and misery, we find Islam, with over two million killed in the Sudan alone. Which, by the way, has absolutely NOTHING to do with Zionism.

"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels (or Muslims) assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."

"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs (that is, Muslims), a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."

"Eyewitness accounts detailing the (Muslim) militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen (Muslims) beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children.""

The world is one poor crop season away from millions all over the world starving, and thanks to the hippies via their lackeys at the Fish and Wildlife Service, the flooding they created may result in a drastically lower volume of grain being harvested in the U.S. this season.

Google the American Thinker article "The Purposeful Flooding of America's Heartland" for more.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=2621.0

Let's look at the verse immediately before the pale horse verse above.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, thou hurt not the oil and the wine. A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

A penny was payment for a day's labor, and the measure of wheat for a loaf of bread. It also seems to suggest the inability to afford the luxuries of oil and wine. But since that's pretty obvious, I wonder if it could be a reference to those living in poverty not "hurting", or impinging on the luxuries, lifestyles, and fully stocked pantries of those that live in abundance, who can't be bothered to help those in need.

Here's a little more Old Testament prophecy.

Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

Anti-zionists of all stripes please note that verse. Particularly the deaf, dumb and blind portion of the so-called "church" from which leaders even met with the terrorist organization Hezbollah, while denouncing the only people in the middle east that share our western values. Divesting of Israeli assets while joining hands with the powers of darkness whose interest is in making Israel - where Muslims today enjoy more freedom then they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth - into another Islamist wife beating slave-state cesspool.

Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Translated as "pillars of smoke" the Hebrew term

and pillars
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08490 tiymarah {tee-maw-raw'} or timarah {tee-maw-raw'}
from the same as 08558; TWOT - 2523d; n f
AV - pillar 2; 2
1) pillar, column
1a) palm-like spreading at top



C.S. Lewis wrote,

"God is going to invade this earth in force. But what is the good of saying you are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream, and something else - something it never entered your head to conceive - comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us, and so terrible to others, that none of us will have any choice left? For this time it will be God without disguise; something so overwhelming that it will strike either irresistible love or irresistible horror into every creature.

It will be too late then to choose your side. There is no use saying you choose to lie down when it has become impossible to stand up. That will not be the time for choosing; it will be the time when we discover which side we have really chosen, whether we realized it before or not. Now, today, this moment, is our chance to choose the right side. God is holding back, to give us that chance. It will not last forever. We must take it or leave it."

Friends, are you prepared to stand before our judge, this very day? The very Son of God that 1.5 billion of you must deny as an article of your faith in Muhammad.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Enough prophecy may have already been fulfilled, to allow today to be that, "...great and the terrible day of the LORD..."

Considering the administration is arming Islamists in Libya and throughout the Middle East, who will turn those weapons against Israel at the bidding of globalist elites like George Soros via the 10 "kingdoms" of the Club of Rome, would it be a surprise that they want us to remain dependent on Islamist's oil in the Middle East to finance more Islamic jihad? An administration that's putting the U.S. out of the oil business, even as it squanders billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to put Brazil in the oil business, through a corporation in which Barak Obama's benefactor George Soros, had a direct interest.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

If the day-year language of prophecy is meant that "hour" is about 15 days, and since these kings have power without kingdoms, it indicates a shadow or clandestine government. Are you ready for it to be the next 15 days? What if the relationship mentioned is a reference to the last 15 days? Are you prepared to stand in judgment before our Creator today?

In Revelation 13 we learn that Satan gives the "beast" his power, seat and great authority. Satan has had legal possession of the kingdom's of this world ever since Adam's fall. Is it a coincidence that the power in the world today, is held by Muhammad's followers, who didn't even have to lift a finger to develop their oil? A "religion" responsible for producing some of the most unproductive societies in the world.

Is it a mere coincidence that a fourth part of mankind in the world today may be dead in Christ, because they are compelled to reject the blood that would save them, as an article of their faith in Muhammad? Folks who follow the "revelation" of a single, 7th century, murdering, prisoner abusing, slave trading, thief, who WAS, and declared, the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of the Messiah.

That's 1.5 billion souls that may be doing little more than biding their time on this earth while awaiting their second death.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

They reject the whole subject of the Gospel for Islamic mythology that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-muhammad history, that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th and 8th centuries AD, by a few semi-literate SW Arabian desert dwellers, that lived 1,200 kilometers away from the Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs.

To my Christian brethren, have you wondered why the eschatology you have been taught necessarily precludes even considering, that Muhammad could be THE false prophet of the book of Revelation? That the pale horse in the video above, though anecdotal, must necessarily be rejected as a part of the fulfillment of prophecy because it is the "4th seal" of Revelation, that isn't supposed to happen until some future 7 year tribulation, or was over and done with in the first century?

Why not consider a fresh view within the traditional continuous historic context through which the reformers understood the book of Revelation?

Please read the free book "The False Prophet" by Ellis Skolfield, available in the Islam Christian Forum, at BeholdTheBeast.com, and at brother Skolfield's site http://www.ellisskolfield.net/books
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/contents_tfp.htm

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Re: The Pale Horse
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 06:43:23 AM »
I have a strong feeling that the 'pale horse' in that news video was put there by satan. As time runs out, who would satan want to trick most but those who are watching closely for the return of their Saviour?


Also, speaking of C.S.Lewis, I read a few of his books last year and one thing really struck me about the time we are in now; somewhere in one of his books he talks about 'love your neighbour', and he says something like that it may be hard to understand (or apply?) the concept of 'love your neighbour' - "now that we are at peace" (or "now that we are in peacetime"). How about today, peace? Yeah right. My country itself is not at war, but I certainly do not feel like any part of the world is at peace.


C.S. Lewis also (in the same book I think) mentions Islam (I think he calls it the Mohammadan religion or something like that), and I remember thinking it was funny how he made it sound so foreign and obscure, when today Islam is in pretty much every westerner's mind through the daily news stories etc.


I can't remember which C.S.Lewis book I am talking about sorry, I just flicked through "Mere Christianity" but I don't think it's that one.


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Re: The Pale Horse
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 07:34:55 AM »
I have a strong feeling that the 'pale horse' in that news video was put there by satan. As time runs out, who would satan want to trick most but those who are watching closely for the return of their Saviour?

I believe on the contrary, that Satan already fooled and blinded the church throughout the 20th century, by way of unsound end-time doctrine. About half of the church must necessarily believe this 4th seal of Revelation happened in the first century. The other half of the church must necessarily believe the 4th seal is yet to come during John Nelson Darby's future "7-year tribulation". For the very same reason, it is impossible for the eschatologically blind church to even consider that Muhammad could be THE false prophet, even though 1.5 billion antichrists - 1/4 of mankind - must reject the blood that would save them, as an article of their faith in Muhammad.

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Re: The Pale Horse
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 07:42:29 PM »
I think you may misunderstand me? I personally have no idea what the "church" thinks or what these various doctrines are that you speak about as I have never been to any church or "taught" anything about Christianity. To me it is all about a close personal relationship with Yahushua, and learning to hear his voice (in its various forms).


I completely agree with you and Ellis Skolfield that Muhammad is the false prophet, that Islam is the beast from the earth and that basically all prophecy has been fulfilled and Yahushua will return very very soon. However in my own humble opinion, I have a feeling there is still some time and that during that time satan will do his best to deceive "even the elect" - those who know that the hour is upon us. I think that the pale horse of Revelation is figurative (and on a grander scale than one image in one video), and that the one in the video is not it, however we can still use it as an indicator of just how close we are.


To think that that horse in the video is the pale horse would be the same as thinking that the mark of the beast is a microchip, or even the Muslim prayer bump. It does fit, it does make sense, but it's not exactly what was meant. It is almost as if satan read the Bible, read these prophecies, and then tried to fulfil them in his own smaller ways - spirals within larger spirals. Does that make any sense to anyone?  :)

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Re: The Pale Horse
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 08:48:53 PM »
I think you may misunderstand me? I personally have no idea what the "church" thinks or what these various doctrines are that you speak about as I have never been to any church or "taught" anything about Christianity. To me it is all about a close personal relationship with Yahushua, and learning to hear his voice (in its various forms).


I completely agree with you and Ellis Skolfield that Muhammad is the false prophet, that Islam is the beast ......

It was easy for you to see through the continuous-historic context, precisely because you weren't indoctrinated into an eschatology (end-time doctrine) in an institutional church.
This might help explain it.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=80.0

Today about half of the institutional church believes that Revelation was completely fulfilled by 70 AD (except for the resurrection of the dead and the Second Coming of Christ yet to come), and so they believe that their "The Antichrist" was Nero and are stuck having to fudge "the false prophet" as apostate Israel and other such abuse of the term, to fit their doctrine. So they can't believe Muhammad is the false prophet because he wasn't from the 1st century.

The other half of the church believes that none of the book of Revelation after chapter 3 will be fulfilled, until some future "7 year tribulation" that you might have even heard about on TV. So they have to put "the false prophet" during that future 7 year period - some someday.

Isn't that weird?
Both doctrines got their start during the 16th and 17th centuries and were invented by Roman Catholic Jesuits in an anti-reformation effort. The reformers didn't buy into the doctrinal inventions, but the 20th century church did.
Even weirder each must believe the other to be virtually 100% in error regarding Rev after chapter 3, because there is a 1900 year gulf, that divides the two views!
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=499.0

....... from the earth and that basically all prophecy has been fulfilled and Yahushua will return very very soon. However in my own humble opinion, I have a feeling there is still some time and that during that time satan will do his best to deceive "even the elect" - those who know that the hour is upon us. I think that the pale horse of Revelation is figurative (and on a grander scale than one image in one video), and that the one in the video is not it, however we can still use it as an indicator of just how close we are.

As I mentioned in the video I too believe it is anecdotal. It is the only such video I have done as the rest are on firm ground and involve fulfilled prophecy, history and such. But I decided to go ahead with it to perhaps provoke a few in the church to jealousy by helping them understand that the continuous-historic context doesn't put Revlation in a little box of 40 years or 7 years, the way their doctrines do. Neither side of the church can believe even for a moment, that the 4th seal is outside of the first century or some time in the future, even though it seems that death an hell DO have authority over 1/4 part of the earth TODAY. Specifically rhrough the spirit of antichrist.


To think that that horse in the video is the pale horse would be the same as thinking that the mark of the beast is a microchip, or even the Muslim prayer bump. It does fit, it does make sense, but it's not exactly what was meant. It is almost as if satan read the Bible, read these prophecies, and then tried to fulfil them in his own smaller ways - spirals within larger spirals. Does that make any sense to anyone?  :)

Here's a paper by Ellis on these subjects of the mark of the beast as well as the figurative language of dreams and visions in prophecy.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=510.0