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"Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
« on: August 16, 2011, 08:43:50 AM »
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

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Islam & Blasphemy

Muslims claim that they "believe in Jesus" and "believe in all the prophets", but just because someone is willing to make a claim doesn't necessarily mean that it's true, even if the person has been taught to believe it themselves. Obviously any such claim needs to be supported by the available evidence.

Muslims understand perhaps better than most that Muhammad's 23 year 7th century record cannot be reconciled with scripture. As a result they will often quite casually declare the Scriptures to have been corrupted, even though by the time Muhammad declared the following in the 7th century, the Gospel had been translated into every popular language, copied tens of thousands of times, and had been read all over the known world for centuries.

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

Rest assured, there was only one "people of the Gospel" in the 7th century, in the first century, and today. Those of us that have been born again, and saved by the shed blood, of the Lamb of God. So was Muhammad just more ignorant, than today's Muslims, that proclaim the Gospel to have been corrupted?

Muslims often accuse Christians of "insulting" their prophet and "holy book" in efforts to escape truth, even as their casual declaration that the scriptures have been corrupted, constitutes PURE BLASPHEMY against Yahweh and His Holy Word.

Muhammad's followers must reject the Gospel because Muhammad parroted the Gnostic doctrine of Simonianism - that it only "appeared" that Christ was crucified - which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel of Yeshua. Thus Muhammad's followers are compelled to deny the blood that would save them, as an article of their faith in Muhammad.

We all understand that atonement for our souls, through the blood of sacrifice, is how Yahweh revealed the matter from early on in His 1600 year record.

Exodus 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock [for] a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.

A sin offering for atonement, through the shed blood of sacrificed animals, was of course the whole purpose of the alter in the temple that Yahweh had His people build.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

Abraham's near sacrifice of his son Isaac provided an advance "type", of what was to follow, regarding Yahweh and Yeshua.

Even secular historians and agnostics believe that Jesus walked the earth. That's NOT believing IN Jesus.

From a Christian perspective, when Muhammad's followers proclaim denial of the crucifixion - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - we can see that rather than "believe IN  Jesus" they BLASPHEME Him.

BLASPHEMY
1 a : the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
2 : irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable

So from the perspective of a follower of Muhammad, since ALL Christians MUST REJECT Muhammad's denial  of Jesus' crucifixion, it means we can only believe Muhammad's Gnostic "revelation" to be false, thereby blaspheming Muhammad. Since his 23 year 7th century record declares the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, we must reject it as false, thereby blaspheming Muhammad's record, and his "Allah" as declared by Muhammad.

By the same token, from the perspective of a follower Yahweh through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, when Muslims deny the blood of the Messiah, they blaspheme His precious blood, that was shed for us all. By denying His crucifixion they blaspheme the Gospel, since Muhammad's declaration that it only "appeared" that Christ was crucified, is no less of a lie today, than when Simon "the Sorcerer" penned that Gnostic doctrine in the first century. When they declare Yahweh's1600 year record to have been corrupted they blaspheme the Holy Scriptures. By so doing they of course blaspheme Yahweh Himself, by believing Him incapable of preserving not only the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel, but the entirety of His 1600 year record. When they deny the Son of God - they not only blaspheme Yeshua and hundreds of verses in the Gospel that declare the relationship between Yeshua and His Father Yahweh - they are also ANTICHRIST.

1 John 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Whatever Muhammad's followers DO believe about the Messiah, WILL REMAIN IRRELEVANT, as long as they reject - indeed blaspheme - the blood of the Lamb of God, that would save them.

I realize some Jews might accuse me of blasphemy, for writing and speaking the name "Yahweh", because of a late doctrine in Judaism that BEGAN after the temple was torn down in 70AD. Though some Jews may remain sovereignly blinded to the Gospel, Christians understand that the reason the temple was removed - "every stone" just as Jesus prophesied - was to light the way - the one path - of blood atonement for sin in the new covenant era, through the shed blood of the sacrifice of the sinless Messiah, the spotless Lamb of God.

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.  20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Do you?

The body of Christ, has been the temple of God, ever since the cross.

In another video, through sound hermeneutics within the traditional continuous historic context, the Islamic empire was revealed as the kingdom "beast" of Revelation 13. That beast is described in part....

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Jesus rebuilt God's "tabernacle" in three days just as He promised, through His crucifixion, death and resurrection. God's "true tabernacle" ever since has been the body of Christ.

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

"...an habitation of God through the Spirit." The Good Shephard IN His sheep.

1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

"...an habitation of God through the Spirit."

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

The "temple of God" is the corporate body of Christ. So is it a surprise to find YouTube followers of Muhammad within the Islamic empire "beast" blaspheming the Son of God and the body of Christ - the temple of God - since He and we ARE the "true tabernacle"?

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

The Islamic "beast" blasphemes the "name" of the God of the Bible - Yahweh - by referring to Him by the name of a Quraish pagan deity "Allah". The NAME of the one true God is found in the tetragrammaton YHWH, as it occurs nearly 7,000 times in scripture, and in paleo-Hebrew inscription dating as early as the 9th century BC.

The fact that Arabic language bibles inadvertently committed a most egregious error of switching YHWH's NAME to that of the NAME of a Quraish pagan deity "Allah", WILL NEVER CHANGE Yahweh's NAME. There is at least one Arabic bible version, that does not blaspheme Yahweh's name, available at arabbible.com

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Muhammad, and the Islamic "beast's" books in his wake, declare the most unspeakable blasphemy even against prophets like Moses, such as when Muhammad recounted his adventure of riding on a flying donkey-mule to the "paradise" of his imagination, in which he ascribed ugly, preposterous, false words and attributes, directly blaspheming specific individuals of "them that dwell in Heaven", including Jesus.

Bukhari B55 #607 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw (the prophet) Moses who was a thin person with lank hair, looking like one of the men of the tribe of Shanua; and I saw jesus who was of average height with red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom.

So, far from being just empty hollow claims and lip service of "believing in Jesus" and "believing in all the prophets", Muhammad's followers blaspheme the Messiah, blaspheme Yahweh, blaspheme His name, blaspheme His record, blaspheme His tabernacle, blaspheme His prophets and witnesses words and blaspheme those that dwell in heaven. Tragically, this even though perhaps 99% of them have never even bothered to read the bible, or even just the Gospel!

We have over 5300 partial or complete manuscripts of the New Testament that were penned prior to 300 A.D. Are we to believe that men from Syria, Babylonia, Galatia, Asia, India, Rome, Egypt, Greece, Carthage, Tarshish and Macedonia - to name just a few - got together and somehow changed all those prior manuscripts, in all those languages, to become UNIFORMLY the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel had been - as well as to make it contrary to the first century historical record of Jesus' crucifixion - all because Muhammad declared the Gnostic doctrine of Simon "the Magician", centuries later?

Even their agnostic hero Bart Ehrman, that they love to trot out to blaspheme Yeshua, agrees with the well supported historical record that confirms that Jesus was executed.

"In any event, Tacitus's report confirms what we know from other sources, that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate." - Bart Ehrman

What did Muhammad's followers own "prophet" say after the Gospel had been read all over the known world for centuries?

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.

Sura 80.13 (It is) in Books held (greatly) in honour, 14 Exalted (in dignity), kept pure and holy,15 (Written) by the hands of scribes- 16 Honourable and Pious and Just.

Of course there were no Islamic "books" when Muhammad declared that way back in his early, pre-Hijra, Mecca days.

Sura 5:47 Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.

Sura 48.29 ... This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

Even Muhammad recognized what has been the plight of Christians for almost 2,000 years.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Over 300 Christians are martyred around the world every day. Estimates range from 105 to 170 thousand every year. Recently a thousand more Christians were martyred on the Ivory Coast by the new Muslim government. Two million innocents killed in the Sudan alone, by Muhammad's followers. Over 17,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks, around the world, just since 9-11. Muslims that come to know the love of the one true God, through Jesus Christ, are beheaded in Saudi Arabia. Christians that witness for the Gospel are sentenced to death in many Muslim countries. Bibles and Christian materials are banned or restricted in 51 countries, because the people of the "prince of the power of the air", cannot stand the light of truth. Please visit VoiceOfTheMartyrs.com for much more on the subject of Christian persecution around the world.

Just as Muhammad had 800 innocent Jewish farm boys and their dads and grandpas brought before him and beheaded, when his Ottoman followers conquered Otranto even hundreds of years later, 800 Christians were taken to the hill of Minerva and martyred, because they refused to renounce their Christian faith.

Pakistan prosecutes "blasphemy" against Muhammad and his "Allah" with the death penalty. Ironically, it is their own false prophet Muhammad that is guilty of blasphemy, against the ONE true God of the Bible, Yahweh.

What jealous fallen angel imparts a spirit in men, that fills them with complete resolve, as to what to DISbelieve? What spirit causes men to DENY the Son of God, and REJECT the precious blood He shed for us all? What spirit drives the only anti-another-religion, religion? What spirit drives men to murder other men and women, for speaking the truth, as well as refusing to deny Christ crucified?

As YouTube Christians we are accustomed to fielding the false accusations, and boatloads of Islamic blasphemy directed against our Savour, Yeshua, and all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of Yahweh to mankind.

But we should really expect this reaction, since it is just as was prophesied, for these times.

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good...

It seems unimaginable, indeed surreal, that folks could actually believe that the one true God Yahweh would declare the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of Gospel of Yeshua and contradict His 1600 record so many centuries later, through a 7th century mass murdering, prisoner abusing, thief - as Muhammad is revealed through Islam's books - and whose own record is in such a state of mass confusion and contradiction that a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation. Muhammad having declared the doctrine himself after recognizing what a hopeless mess, the brief history of his "revelations", were in.

2:106 (Asad) Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything?

The first century prophet John prophesied of those who would do as Muhammad did.....

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Muslims call on two names in prayer. The NAME "Allah" that they cannot deny was the NAME of a Quraish pagan deity in Mecca long before Muhammad started his religion, and they call on the name of their "Allah's" self-aggrandizing, self-proclaimed "prophet", Muhammad.

Since Muhammad's followers pray in the name of Muhammad, and the Quraish pagan's deity "Allah", it should come as no surprise that they prostrate themselves toward the Quraish pagans black stone idol five times a day. They are even compelled to travel to Mecca in the southwest Arabian desert - 1200 kilometers away from THE Holy Land of the prophets and patriarchs - to circumambulate the Quraish pagan's Kaaba seven times as Arabian moon, sun and star worshipers did, and even run back and forth between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah seven times as Arabian jinn devil worshipers did when there were two idols placed on those two hills. All because they actually believe the fiction of Islamic "tradition", that was all created in the 7th and 8th centuries by some semi-literate southwest Arabian desert dwellers, that masquerades as thousands of years of pre-Muhammad history.

As you will observe in the comment section, when some of the people of the spirit of the "prince of the power of the air" that appeared to Muhammad as an "angel of light", are confronted with unpleasant truths such as those detailed here, rather than searching their hearts - let alone scripture, or the history, archaeology and geography of matters - will instead respond by accelerating their blasphemy against the very book that they wish Islam were related to, as if blaspheming Yahweh and the Gospel will somehow make Muhammad's STAND-ALONE 7th century religion more true, or magically create an actual history of Mecca, prior to the Christian era, from thin air.

Since Muhammad declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Gospel that Christians follow, either Christians or Muhammad's followers, are NECESSARILY in CATASTROPHIC ERROR - as EXACT OPPOSITES.

Either the followers of Yahweh and his sinless Messiah Yeshua, through ALL of His prophets and witnesses, as revealed in His 1600 year record that His people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, are in catastrophic error.....

.....or the followers of the mass murdering, prisoner abusing, thief Muhammad, and his self-serving alter-ego "Allah" as revealed through Muhammad's heavily abrogated STAND-ALONE 23 year 7th century record, are in catastrophic error.

ONE MUST CHOOSE. To follow the sinless Messiah or continue to blaspheme Him.

Brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus, these sorely deceived folks are in desperate need of our prayers. Indeed the only way humanity will be relieved of the scourge of Islamic terrorism and mass murder - of Muhammad's true followers, that do just as Muhammad did, and instructed his followers to do - is if we get out there and preach Christ crucified, to help embolden them to ask Jesus to come into their hearts and lives - to be born again.

How would you feel if the Muslim that you know, died tomorrow, without you having preached Christ crucified to him? There are several Muslim friendly free tracts on the Gospel at IslamAndTheTruth.com that may help in your effort. There are more hard hitting tracts regarding Islamic history and rituals at BrotherPete.com

1Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

When witnessing to Muhammad's followers it's important to understand that their reality is inverted. Because they follow the father of lies, Muhammad's lies have become their "truth", while they must judge the things of the Spirit of God to be false. The next time a YouTube Muslim parrots their delusion that they "believe in Jesus", or "believe in all the prophets", why not post a link to this video to perhaps help inspire that first spark of cognitive dissonance in them?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

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Re: "Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 11:07:23 AM »
Jesus
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=jesus&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

(3) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.  (Book #34, Hadith #425)

(4) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).  (Book #43, Hadith #656)

Moses
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=moses&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all

Adam
http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php?keyword=adam&translator=1&search=1&book=&start=0&records_display=10&search_word=all


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Re: "Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 02:01:46 PM »
From Dr. Rafat Amari
http://religionresearchinstitute.org/Mohammad/occultism.htm

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1784.0

"After the negative experiences which depressed Mohammed, Khadijah sent him to her cousin, Waraqa, to convince him that Mohammed was called to be a prophet of Allah. Waraqa succeeded in his task and became responsible for most of the Qur’anic verses at the beginning. Waraqa inserted Ebionite doctrines about Jesus in the Qur’an, stating that Jesus was a prophet, and that He was not crucified, but God made someone to resemble Jesus. That one was crucified because the crowd thought he was Jesus. This doctrine was first initiated by Simon, the magician from Samaria, who later founded a heresy which took his name, Simonianism. In reality, Simon created the root for such doctrine, before it was developed by the Gnostics in later times. Here, I present Simon the magician’s idea about Jesus, which Hyppolytus reported in  â€œThe Refutation of all heresies”:

Jesus Christ being transformed, and being assimilated to the rulers and powers and angels, came for the restoration (of things). And so (it was that Jesus) appeared as man, when in reality he was not a man. And (so it was) that likewise he suffered, though not actually undergoing suffering, but appearing to the Jews to do so.[xxx][30]

[xxviii][28] Hyppolytus, The Refutation of all heresies, book VIII , Chapter XIII

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Re: "Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2011, 02:34:23 AM »
This is what happens to someone's mind when it is full-time occupied with sorting lies he wants to believe, from lies that he has to admit are lies, because everyone knows they are lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVsevshULg
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I replied...

Don't forget Simon Magnus or Simon "the Sorcerer" or Simon "the Magician" that the early church fathers dubbed the "father of heresies" who claimed Jesus didn't suffer on the cross too. I guess when someone follows the father of lies, they have to try to confirm the lies they believe, by the lies that everyone knows are lies, to support them. The FACT is that Muhammad declared the EXACT OPPOSITE of the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Islam is antichrist and Muslims, blasphemers.

watch?v=H2kCxOGGM5w


PeteWaldo 10 hours ago
"He appeared, then, on earth as a man, to the nations of these powers, and wrought miracles. Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them." Basilides

Familiar lie?

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2011, 07:31:18 AM »
http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php?book=58&translator=1&start=0&number=227#227

(5) Narrated Abbas bin Malik: Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said, "He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place. Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me." (On this Al-Jarud asked, "Was it the Buraq, O Abu Hamza?" I (i.e. Anas) replied in the affirmative). The Prophet said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Gabriel set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven. When he asked for the gate to be opened, it was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has Muhammad been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the first heaven, I saw adam there. Gabriel said (to me). 'This is your father, adam; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven. Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened. When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus) who were cousins of each other. Gabriel said (to me), 'These are John and Jesus; pay them your greetings.' So I greeted them and both of them returned my greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the third heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the third heaven there I saw Joseph. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Joseph; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fourth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed, what an excel lent visit his is!' The gate was opened, and when I went over the fourth heaven, there I saw Idris. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is Idris; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the fifth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked. 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said He is welcomed, what an excellent visit his is! So when I went over the fifth heaven, there I saw Harun (i.e. Aaron), Gabriel said, (to me). This is Aaron; pay him your greetings.' I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the sixth heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked. 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. It was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' When I went (over the sixth heaven), there I saw Moses. Gabriel said (to me),' This is Moses; pay him your greeting. So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' When I left him (i.e. Moses) he wept. Someone asked him, 'What makes you weep?' Moses said, 'I weep because after me there has been sent (as Prophet) a young man whose followers will enter Paradise in greater numbers than my followers.' Then Gabriel ascended with me to the seventh heaven and asked for its gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked,' Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' So when I went (over the seventh heaven), there I saw Abraham. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is your father; pay your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then I was made to ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha (i.e. the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said, 'This is the Lote Tree of the utmost boundary) . Behold ! There ran four rivers, two were hidden and two were visible, I asked, 'What are these two kinds of rivers, O Gabriel?' He replied,' As for the hidden rivers, they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.' Then Al-Bait-ul-Ma'mur (i.e. the Sacred House) was shown to me and a container full of wine and another full of milk and a third full of honey were brought to me. I took the milk. Gabriel remarked, 'This is the Islamic religion which you and your followers are following.' Then the prayers were enjoined on me: They were fifty prayers a day. When I returned, I passed by Moses who asked (me), 'What have you been ordered to do?' I replied, 'I have been ordered to offer fifty prayers a day.' Moses said, 'Your followers cannot bear fifty prayers a day, and by Allah, I have tested people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel (in vain). Go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your followers' burden.' So I went back, and Allah reduced ten prayers for me. Then again I came to Moses, but he repeated the same as he had said before. Then again I went back to Allah and He reduced ten more prayers. When I came back to Moses he said the same, I went back to Allah and He ordered me to observe ten prayers a day. When I came back to Moses, he repeated the same advice, so I went back to Allah and was ordered to observe five prayers a day. When I came back to Moses, he said, 'What have you been ordered?' I replied, 'I have been ordered to observe five prayers a day.' He said, 'Your followers cannot bear five prayers a day, and no doubt, I have got an experience of the people before you, and I have tried my level best with Bani Israel, so go back to your Lord and ask for reduction to lessen your follower's burden.' I said, 'I have requested so much of my Lord that I feel ashamed, but I am satisfied now and surrender to Allah's Order.' When I left, I heard a voice saying, 'I have passed My Order and have lessened the burden of My Worshipers."  (Book #58, Hadith #227)

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Re: "Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 07:42:43 AM »
...when I went over the first heaven, I saw adam there. Gabriel said (to me). 'This is your father, adam; pay him your greetings.' So I greeted him and he returned the greeting to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' Then Gabriel ascended with me till we reached the second heaven. Gabriel asked for the gate to be opened. It was asked, 'Who is it?' Gabriel answered, 'Gabriel.' It was asked, 'Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he been called?' Gabriel answered in the affirmative. Then it was said, 'He is welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' The gate was opened. When I went over the second heaven, there I saw Yahya (i.e. John) and 'Isa (i.e. Jesus)

Should we be surprised that the spirit of a jealous fallen angel named Satan that filled Muhammad, inspired him to fantasize that the sinless Messiah, the spotless Lamb of God, the fulfillment of the old covenant and Savior of the world, should be down next to the lowest level - one rung above fallen Adam - and the 2nd longest distance of separation from Muhammad's alter-ego "Allah"?

When I went (over the sixth heaven), there I saw Moses. Gabriel said (to me),' This is Moses; pay him your greeting. So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and said, 'You are welcomed, O pious brother and pious Prophet.' When I left him (i.e. Moses) he wept. Someone asked him, 'What makes you weep?' Moses said, 'I weep because after me there has been sent (as Prophet) a young man whose followers will enter Paradise in greater numbers than my followers.'

At least Muhammad's fantasy left no question about there being two distinct groups.
Followers of Moses and followers of Muhammad.

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Re: "Muslims believe in Jesus and all the prophets."
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 05:46:09 AM »
It occurred to me to put the shoe on the other foot this morning.

Muslims are always quick to pipe up with the famous Ahmed Deedat line "A Muslim is not a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus". They claim to revere Him as a prophet even as they have to believe his prophecies to be false. They reject His shed blood and thus reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel. Next time one makes that claim I am going to point out how foolish this is by inquiring as to what if someone said to you:
"'I believe in Muhammad, and in the crucifixion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, whose shed blood saved me from sin."
Would you believe that I believe in Muhammad?