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Re: Question for Mujaheed
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2014, 02:56:30 PM »

Besides the purely reprobate behavior of Mohammed (and his true followers today that are terrorizing the world in Mohammed's mold), that's how Christians can see that Mohammedanism is obviously of Satan.
Your judgment is clouded by your indoctrination. You have not investigated Islam, that is why i find it so easy to refute your arguments. You have no understanding of Prophethood or the purpose of mankind or what God wants from God Fearing people. Your focus is on a 0,000001% of 2 billion people WHAT COUNTRY DID MUSLIMS ENTER AND AS SOLDIERS AND KILL THE CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY.



The Power of the Sword:

623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Ray in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain

Whats your point? The success of Islamic conquests? The fact that human beings responded positively .........

Sure, everybody always responds positively to an army of mass murdering, rapist, thieves, coming to conquer you, rape your women, steal the fruit of your labor, and compel you to prostrate to a pagan black stone idol in the SW Arabian desert.

........ to changing to the truth and that there were people opposed to the truth?

No Muj. Truth doesn't change.
What happened was the truth was exchanged for a lie, and then truth was banned, just as it remains in so many Islamic slave states today.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/blasphemy_laws.htm

Truth will always be opposed, ........

Indeed the truth has been opposed by Muhammadans for 1400 years. Even murdering their own for the "crime" of "apostasy" for coming to know the love of the one true God through a relationship with Jesus Christ.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muslim_persecution_of_christians.htm#death_penalty_apostasy

....... from Adam to Muhammad one fact is certain that the prophet or his followers will be opposed. Defending the truth is admirable and the standing back while evil is left unchecked is tantamount to condoning it like the stance you taking.

Yet the evil of Islam remains unchecked, just as prophesied of THE false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast" that hides and attacks from behind their own women and children. That specifically targets women and children.

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

CNS reports: "Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)."
That's for the year 2011, and that percentage doesn't even include Shiite Muslim terrorist murders. Thus it should be obvious to all non-Muslims, that the world would be largely at peace today, if the followers of Muhammad had not been commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims in the "cause" of "Allah".
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Truth will always be opposed and thus the enemies of truth will try to quell the spread of it like you currently doing on the internet.

You either on the side of God or you are against him. Non violent passive resistance is a Ghandian Theory that failed and led to the slaughter of millions.


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Re: Question for Mujaheed
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2014, 01:29:58 PM »
Muj....

Are you going to ignore my question?  I asked you specifically this and you passed it on by. 

Answer this question please.

Curosity.....Muj.

If Islam is so peaceful as you say it is, then why do you have 123 killing verses in the Quran alone? Statements that ONLY Muhammad can make since he is the one and only creator of Islam.  These are open ended killing verses.  What I mean is that there was no attack on Islam.  Muslims killed people that were not Muslims strictly based on their beliefs. 

If Muslims are not killers, as you suggest, (as well as Muhammad) then what are all those verses doing in the Quran? 


Remember, these verses ARE NOT defensive verses.  They are offensive verses.  There is a difference, Muj.  Listen to the context of the verse.  Take this one.  To me, very simple to understand.

Sura 5:33  Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only.  Not Jesus or any of the other prophets.  Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

War could be as simple as blaspheming Muhammad.  You know, hurting his feelings or something like that.  Muslims KILL people for putting down their lovely prophet.

Who stated this message for the first time?  Muhammad did.  Your peaceful loving Muhammad!  Look.  If Jesus was to say what was written in Sura 5:33 and that and it was written all over the Bible, you'd be all over it, drooling over it saying "See, see?  Jesus is a murderer!"  I bet that would just make your day!  We see that verse in the Quran in black and white and yet you ignore it.  WHY???

Answer that one for all of us!

Why do you ignore Muhammad's own words in Sura 5:33?

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Re: Question for Mujaheed
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2014, 01:44:06 PM »
Keep him on topic Bista. If he adds any unrelated material in answer to your point, don't spend your time responding to it as I will move his post to spam or simply discard it until he can focus in simply reply.

If you have any other posts he has ignored in any other threads, that you want him to address, please provide links in a post on the thread at this link:
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Re: Question for Mujaheed
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2014, 06:29:12 AM »
Muj....

Are you going to ignore my question?  I asked you specifically this and you passed it on by. 

Answer this question please.

Curosity.....Muj.

If Islam is so peaceful as you say it is, then why do you have 123 killing verses in the Quran alone? Statements that ONLY Muhammad can make since he is the one and only creator of Islam.  These are open ended killing verses.  What I mean is that there was no attack on Islam.  Muslims killed people that were not Muslims strictly based on their beliefs. 

If Muslims are not killers, as you suggest, (as well as Muhammad) then what are all those verses doing in the Quran? 


Remember, these verses ARE NOT defensive verses.  They are offensive verses.  There is a difference, Muj.  Listen to the context of the verse.  Take this one.  To me, very simple to understand.

Sura 5:33  Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only.  Not Jesus or any of the other prophets.  Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

War could be as simple as blaspheming Muhammad.  You know, hurting his feelings or something like that.  Muslims KILL people for putting down their lovely prophet.

Who stated this message for the first time?  Muhammad did.  Your peaceful loving Muhammad!  Look.  If Jesus was to say what was written in Sura 5:33 and that and it was written all over the Bible, you'd be all over it, drooling over it saying "See, see?  Jesus is a murderer!"  I bet that would just make your day!  We see that verse in the Quran in black and white and yet you ignore it.  WHY???

Answer that one for all of us!

Why do you ignore Muhammad's own words in Sura 5:33?

Islam is the perfection of Religion. It is complete and perfected in all respects. The waging of war against the enemies of ALLAH (God) is perfected in the Quran. The first injunction is that there must be a just leader that is righteous and knowledgable. The second is that the peaceful propagation of the word of God is not possible (not allowed) and that the people are not subjected to a tyrant ruler (like a Zionist State). I take it that you not very a very sophisticated person and not very educated either so hears the simple truth. NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO FOLLOW HIS VAIN DESIRES ESPECIALLY A MUSLIM. HE HAS TO OBEY ALLAH, OBEY THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH AND FOLLOW A RIGHTEOUS LEADER. Unlike Christians no Muslim is allowed to enter into any type of aggression on his own!!!!. The rules of engagement is very specific and the Quran cannot be understood in absence of the Hadith. The QURAN (Scripture) gives the Command the Hadith tells you how to Implement it correctly as conveyed by a learned scholar.

SO Your interpretation of the translation is very rudimentary and crude at best. Do not try with your limited understanding of GOD, to interpret the Words of God in your own way, according to your indoctrination and deviated mind. It does not work.

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Re: Question for Mujaheed
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2014, 01:54:41 PM »
Islam is the perfection of Religion. It is complete and perfected in all respects.  The waging of war against the enemies of ALLAH (God) is perfected in the Quran. The first injunction is that there must be a just leader that is righteous and knowledgable. The second is that the peaceful propagation of the word of God is not possible (not allowed) and that the people are not subjected to a tyrant ruler (like a Zionist State).

You say the Bible is written with unknown authors.  I can see that you never studied the Bible with an open heart.  Just a Muslim's point of view on how he sees the Bible from a Quranic interpretation view of the Bible.  These ARE the authors of the Bible of whom you know nothing about.  I'm just going to mention the New Testament authors.

1.  Matthew
2.  Mark
3.  Luke
4.  John
5.  Peter
6.  Paul
7.  Timothy
8.  James
9.  Titus
10. Jude

So far I have 10 known authors whose records are proven, who have written segments of the New Testament and each and every one on them is saying the exact same story about Jesus Christ being the Son of God who died on the cross for our sins and was raised on the third day to prove that Jesus was who he said he was. 

What do you have?  Only one writer (or, in this case, creator) of the Quran.  That's it.  There are no more.  Only Muhammad.  In this case, the perfected leader, as I understand you, being Muhammad.  Tell me.  Would you believe Muhammad if he were to tell you that Muhammad was the prophet of god WITHOUT ANY WITNESSES WHATSOEVER because he said so or would you believe Muhammad is a prophet because the whole city HEARD god say Muhammad will be your prophet? 

It is apparent that you believe what Muhammad said WITHOUT ANY WITNESSES because Muhammad had no witnesses.  I choose to have proof on that.  Just because you say Islam is real, without any facts, doesn't make it so unless you're that stupid to believe in a fairytale without physical evidences to support it.  The only evidence you give us is heresay.

NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO FOLLOW HIS VAIN DESIRES ESPECIALLY A MUSLIM. HE HAS TO OBEY ALLAH, OBEY THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH AND FOLLOW A RIGHTEOUS LEADER. Unlike Christians no Muslim is allowed to enter into any type of aggression on his own!!!!. The rules of engagement is very specific and the Quran cannot be understood in absence of the Hadith. The QURAN (Scripture) gives the Command the Hadith tells you how to Implement it correctly as conveyed by a learned scholar.
Key words.  Learned Scholar.  You are NOT a learned scholar.  If you were, then you would have no choice but to agree with the abrogation verses of the Quran.  Point of this being is if you were truly a professor and super knowledgeable in the Quran, then you would know and understand that the peaceful verses have been abrogated and replaced primarily with this verse that sums up everything else.

Sura 9:5  And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Son, Allah IS NOT forgiving and merciful.  If you truly think he is, then think again.

SO Your interpretation of the translation is very rudimentary and crude at best. Do not try with your limited understanding of GOD, to interpret the Words of God in your own way, according to your indoctrination and deviated mind. It does not work.

My interpretation is this.  We have only two makers of the Quran.  Either one of two entities can give commands in the Quran among your other documented sources.  It will either be Muhammad or Allah.

So, who gave this command?

Sura 5:33  Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad only.  Not Jesus or any of the other prophets.  Notice the singularity of the word messenger?) and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

Either it's Muhammad or Allah for it can be nobody else.  That is, unless you can show all of us if there were any other prophets around the time of Muhammad that also contributed to the writings of the Quran that had the authority to add or remove information within the Quran.  Hint.  It can't be any of the New Testament people for they have all died already before Muhammad ever came on the scene.

If Allah spoke this message, then Allah wants you to have us, who blaspheme the Quran and associated writings, to either be killed or crucified, hands and feet cut off on opposite sides or be exiled because we are a disgrace to Allah!  If Muhammad said so, and god doesn't operate that way, as you seem to be saying, then the Quran is a lie for the Quran specifies 123 loving times directly to kill any non Muslims for this god ONLY loves Muslims.  Not Jews.  Not Christians.  Not atheists.  Only Muslims.   There are nearly 500 verses from 87 Suras that speak of Hell for the people Allah hates.

Sura 4:56  Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise  Wise indeed.  Sounds evil to me.

Sura 9:73  O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination

Sura 8:55  Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Bukhari 59:727  Allah's Apostle [said]... "Allah's curse be on the Jews and the  Christians"  This was spoken on Muhammad's death bed, and was one of the last things that he ever said.

Read the whole story and thus, that is why it is necessary for Muslims, like yourself, according to your own prophet, Muhammad, to destroy the Christians and Jews throughout the world.  Tell me Muj.  If this is not the way of Islam and your beloved prophet, Muhammad, then why are these people killing Christians and Jews In The Name of Islam?  Is there some other religion called Islam that isn't your Islam that reads the same books?  I wonder.  Ah, yes.  It must be the Jews killing the Christians and Jews screaming "Allahu Acbar" which is an Islamic term.

Man, what a loving god you have.  Son, that's what it says to do.  How specific does it need to be?  If this is NOT a killing verse, then I'm frightful as to what a real killing verse might just be like.
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Re: Question for Mujaheed
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2014, 04:15:31 PM »
I gave Muj some chill time to compose himself. I'm not the only one that got a belly full of his raw blasphemy. However since Muhammad is his only reason for hating the Gospel, when he returns he will not be allowed to post on any subject, until after he provides a reasonable historical and archaeological record that suggests that Mecca existed before the Christian era - like that which Jews and Christians have for Jerusalem.
Perhaps once he finds he is unable to come up with such evidence - even though other, even tiny, ancient Arabian towns are very well attested in the historical and archaeological records - perhaps then he can begin to overcome Muhammad's counter-Gospel, antichrist, anti-religion. I don't think we were doing him any favors by letting him continue as his blasphemy only got worse and worse.

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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2014, 02:14:42 PM »
He may not ever come back! :o