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All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« on: August 23, 2016, 04:52:17 PM »
Muslims are always waxing on and on about how wonderfully Jesus is revealed in the Quran, and what a great "messenger" He was, and even that he was one of the "mightiest messengers".
One recently even going as far as to proclaim:

When you read your Gospels, you will find that some sayings of Jesus (pbuh) are exactly what the Quran mentions.

So after hearing such parroted foolishness over so many years now, it prompted me to engage in a long overdue investigation, at the beginning of which I found a webpage that claims to have "All Qur’anic Passages about Jesus".
http://jaq.org/blog/2009/10/10/all-passages-about-jesus-in-the-quran/
So I reviewed those and pulled out the ones in which Jesus is supposed to be quoted, and unless I missed one or two, this is the sum total of everything that Jesus is alleged to have said, according to the Quran:

3:49 And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe.”
 
3:50 (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
 
3:52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: “Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.”

5:114 Said Jesus the son of Mary: “O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us—for the first and the last of us—a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs).”

19:19 He said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.”

19:30 He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet.”

19:31 “And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live.”
 
19:32 “(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable.”
 
19:33 “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!
 
43:63 When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: “Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.”

61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: “O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, “this is evident sorcery!”

61:14 O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the disciples, “We are Allah’s helpers!” then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.

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Re: All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 05:17:03 PM »
So that's all the Messiah - that was prophesied throughout the Old Testament, and fulfilled in the New Testament (covenant) - had to say according to Muhammad. So unless a Muhammadan was completely Quran illiterate, how could any of them come up with the idea that Jesus was one of the "mightiest messengers" when they barely know the first thing about Him?

As we read our Gospels, do we "find that some sayings of Jesus (pbuh) are exactly what the Quran mentions."? No.

What is the sum total of all of the "messages" that are revealed in the suras in the OP?


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Re: All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 09:41:45 PM »
Thanks for listing down all the quotes regarding Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messiah.

Having taken the opportunity to list them down, are you saying the Quran is wring that Jesus was a messenger of God?

Is the Quran wrong stating that Jesus was the Messiah?

Are these statements against your Christian belief?

I do not think so.

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Re: All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 09:05:22 AM »
Thanks for listing down all the quotes regarding Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messiah.

No, I listed the quotes to demonstrate that Jesus has virtually no presence in the Quran, even though Muslims teach each other to parrot they believe He was "one of the greatest prophets". Let alone that over 1/3 of the word count in the OP is devoted to fables that preceded Muhammad. Like:

3:49 And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe.”

This Quran fable was plagiarized from "The Gospel of Thomas the Israelite" - A known and documented book of fables.
http://www.petewaldo.com/fables_fantasies.htm

"Now a Jew, seeing what Jesus did, that he was playing on the Sabbath day, went his way to (Jesus') father Joseph. He said, "Behold, your son is at the stream of dirty water, and having taken up some mud, has made of it twelve sparrows, thus desecrating the Sabbath. On this Joseph went to the spot, and cried out, "Why did you do these things on the Sabbath day which it is not lawful to do?" Jesus then clapped his hands at the sparrows and cried aloud to them, "Go off!" So they, clucking, flew away. The Jews seeing it were astonished, and went and told their rulers what they had seen Jesus do."

Having taken the opportunity to list them down, are you saying the Quran is wring that Jesus was a messenger of God?

Is the Quran wrong stating that Jesus was the Messiah? Are these statements against your Christian belief?

As I pointed out before, Muhammad pirated, plundered and plagiarized from Judaism and Christianity, tidbits that he got from people like Jabr, Waraqa and many others. It would not have been any secret that Jesus is the Messiah, even to those illiterates in the backwaters of the 7th century SW Arabian desert, that time had left behind.
Yet even though you believe Jesus is the Messiah (which means THE anointed ONE), who even you believe was lifted physically to heaven, you follow the exact opposite in the false prophet Muhammad whose corpse still lies rotting in its shallow grave.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_is_antichrist.htm


I do not think so.[/size]

They are pure blasphemy. But you couldn't know that because of your ignorance to the scriptures, and apparent inability to even think critically. Let's look at another of the alleged "sayings of Jesus" according to the Quran, the idea of which was lifted from an Egyptian apocryphal fable, referred to as the "Infancy Gospel":

".....Jesus spake when he was in the cradle, and said to his mother: "Mary, I am Jesus the Son of God, the Word, which thou didst bring forth according to the declaration of the angel Gabriel, and My Father hath sent me for the salvation of the world."

Sura 3:46 He shall preach to men in his cradle and in the prime of manhood, and shall lead a righteous life.

Sura 19:28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" 29 But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" 30 He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet.” 31 “And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live.” 32 “(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable.” 33 “So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)”!

So let's start here. Besides being pure hogwash inspired by an Egyptian fable, did you ever ponder how Muslims are required to believe that Jesus who never died on the cross but was instead lifted physically to heaven, would return to earth after nearly 2,000 years of immortality, only to die?

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Re: All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2016, 05:19:40 AM »
It's pretty clear that Muhammed somewhat haphazardly pilfered material from many writings and teachings that were available to him at the time. Clearly Muhammed could not distinguish the genuine Apostolic Creed (assuming it was available to him) from those of the competing Gnostic sects that claimed to be "Christian." It is of no surprise therefore, that the Quran contains many errors concerning what Christians actually believe and practice. The Quran demonstrates quite comprehensively Muhammed's own ignorance to the truth of the doctrines of Christians. He never understood Christianity at all.

This is a good read:-
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm
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Re: All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2016, 06:37:22 AM »
It's pretty clear that Muhammed somewhat haphazardly pilfered material from many writings and teachings that were available to him at the time.

I believe it can mostly be laid at the feet of his coach Jabr, and even more so his first wife Khadijah's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, who was an occult Ebionite priest that received the doctrine by way of 1st century sorcerer Simon Magus through his disciple Basilides.
http://www.petewaldo.com/simon_magnus_gnostics_ebionites_islam.htm#basilides

Clearly Muhammed could not distinguish the genuine Apostolic Creed (assuming it was available to him) from those of the competing Gnostic sects that claimed to be "Christian." It is of no surprise therefore, that the Quran contains many errors concerning what Christians actually believe and practice. The Quran demonstrates quite comprehensively Muhammed's own ignorance to the truth of the doctrines of Christians. He never understood Christianity at all.

This is a good read:-
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/quran_trinity.htm

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Re: All of the quotes attributed to Jesus in the Quran
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2016, 09:08:26 AM »
It's also worth mentioning the Collyridians who were a mostly female heretical "Christian" sect operating in Arabia prior to Muhammed. Mainly characterised by the deification of Mary, they attempted to worship her as God. Muhammed's mistaken belief that Mary was part of the Christian Trinity may well have something to do with them.

Muhammed's denial Jesus's crucifixion almost certainly originates from Gnostic/Ebionite teachings in the region. It's as if Muhammed attempted to synthesize all of the strange teachings he encountered in a single doctrine. Of course he came up with something more monstrous than all of them put together.

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2016, 09:47:55 AM »
It's as if Muhammed attempted to synthesize all of the strange teachings he encountered in a single doctrine. Of course he came up with something more monstrous than all of them put together.

Like the Zoroastrian's fabled prophet that rode a fabled buraq to the place where their mythical ancestors were supposed to have dwelt. At least the Zoroastrians were smart enough to be satisfied that it was a fabled or mythical prophet, while Muhammad invented his tall tale in real-time! Even most of his illiterate 7th century SW Arabian desert dwelling followers had the good sense to abandon him after he came up with that tall tale!
http://www.petewaldo.com/muhammads_night_journey.htm

"Even "Burak", the fantastical creature is just another cliche, a rehash of pre-existing and pre-Islamic mythological creatures, such as the famous Pegasus, Centaur, or the very similar Hindu creature, "Kamadhenu"[1] and the ancient Assyrian deity 'Lamasu'.[2]"
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/4t85eu/did_muhammed_plaigurize_the_alburaq/

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Kamadhenu&FORM=BILH1