The moderator of this site uses a quote:
Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake
And then he goes on to profess: "Jesus was both fully man and fully God at the same time..."
Even the most knowledgeable man on earth can NEVER explain this concept.
Welcome back Sum.
What you are saying is that God has to fit in a box the size of how your mind views the world. That God can't be any bigger than yourself. That your human peabrain can conceive the mind of God through simple logic. But even Islam teaches that we can't fully know the nature of God.
Jesus himself never said such a thing.
He did. That's why He was killed:
Jhn 10:30
I and [my] Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Who gave 'Pete' the authority to say such a thing about Jesus? Ask him.
Jesus gave me the authority through the Word of God.
But let us take a brief look at this inconceivable postulation.
It isn't about what
I say.
'Jesus was both fully man and fully god at the same time'
The first beckons of common sense ....
This is how you are killing yourself. The Word of God isn't about the flesh. You can't figure your way to God. You can only know Him as He is revealed through His Word. You are rejecting Jesus. You can't know Him until you put your effort into understanding, rather than MISunderstanding. Even a child can come to Jesus. Indeed it is easier for a child specifically because of the confusion you demonstrate you have created for yourself.
Luk 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein....would cause anyone to do a double-take when they hear such a statement. What? How can that be true? How can two be extremely different, but exactly the same? Let us apply a few fool-proof tests to that stupefying theory.
Pete believes in the bible.
-In his bible, it says 'God cannot be tempted by the devil.'
-In his bible, it also says 'Jesus was tempted by the devil'
Question, if Pete is right in his saying that Jesus is fully man and fully god, why is it that Jesus can be tempted?
You made my point. This is one of the ways we know Jesus was fully man during the time He was made manifest to us. Specifically because He COULD be tempted. Yet He remained sin free, as even you likely agree.
This is how we can know He was of God. What man could remain sin free, when even glancing at a woman and having even a fleeting inappropriate thought, for example, would constitute a sin?
Analogy: Well Jesus was fully man, and all men are reachable by the devil. God is not...how can you consider them the same?
Because they are coexistent from the foundation of the world:
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:...
John 17:24
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Suppose I show you a car, and I say- its fully operable; then you try to drive it, and it does not work. Then you ask me why it does not, and I tell you its fully inoperable; you will know that I said two very contradictory things- perhaps lied. Either the car operates or it does not. And if I was a salesman at a car lot, you would leave immediately, and accuse me of being sleazy.
If I come selling you bottled water, and you looked at my bottles of water and see that the liquid is orange, and you ask me what happened to it? I say well its pure water. You ask me well why is it orange; I say its pure orange juice. You'll look at me and laugh, then walk away. You wouldn't even believe it was orange juice! I have completely lost credibility with you. Either you would think I am clinically a mental case, or that you were on some kind of hidden-camera pranks.
If I come to you proclaiming that I am the teacher of the class, and you come to class, see me waiting in a seat for the lecturer to show up- either you would think that I am not the teacher of that particular class or that I was lying to you.
When a man goes to a doctor and says 'I am a lady, literally'. The doctor examines his physiology and sees nothing to attest to this, and says, well sir you are not a woman, you're a man. Then he says, yeah, I am bothfully a man and fully a woman at the same time. If the man says this with a serious face, the doctor will put him on psyche meds.
If I come to your stricken home, invite your family to come get a free car from my gallery of new cars; and then you show up to see the cars and then I show you a cabbage plantation, and say see! Pick anyone you want. You and ur loved ones will look at me and say: well this is cabbage, you told us to come for cars. Then I say, well yeah, these are fully cars and fully cabbages at the same time. You and ur loved ones might either beat the sense out of me for wasting your time, or curse at me without limits.
My point is, Pete, your motto is a quote:
Truth can never be told so as to be understood and not be believed. ~ William Blake
How can you reconcile fully god and fully man in the same sentence?
Because Jesus said that He and His Father are one.
That "one" is in the Koina Greek neuter gender meaning of one essence.
Heaven sakes Sum, even you believe that Jesus was born of a virgin by the will of God.
Jesus is a part of God that He sent to be the perfect example, and there through the perfect sacrifice, for all mankind.
God's Spirit is a part of God too Sum. Not a separate God.
Jesus was made manifest to mankind but existed before the foundation of the world. He came as a man, but left in a glorified body after He was crucified, died, and was resurrected. To deny this is to reject the entirety of the New Testament. It is the whole subject of the New Testament, and new covenant we are given through Jesus Christ.
How can you reconcile operable and inoperable as the simultaneous description of an object, how can you reconcile dead and alive as describing the same object? How can you compare mortal and immortal as being the same?
Because Jesus was mortal when He was made manifest as evidenced by His death on the Cross.
Mark 15:39
And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.How can you reconcile the one who farts with the One who is Pure?
How do you reconcile the One who can do Everything as being the one who can do nothing? How do you explain that the one who worships is the one who is supposed to be worshipped?
If the truth is to be told, it will be understood. If you make a simple statement that carries heavy contradictions, how do you make someone understand it? What you do not see however, is that lies cannot be understood as anything other than lies- especially when it is placed beside the truth.
A laughable accusation regarding the Word of God from someone who follows the 23 year stand-alone record of a 6th century pillaging, plundering, murdering, sexually enslaving, bloody imperialistic conquerer (though
personally a coward as bequeathed to you through the hadith).
But not surprising since Islam is the perfect and
direct opposite of what we are given through the 1600 year record of God to mankind through all of the prophets and legions of witnesses.
Again, I take this time to invite you to Islam- the Truth.
A Christian could never choose to become
an antichrist.
Islam is a lie of Satan. There is only one truth, and the only way:
Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.And once you've heard the truth, you'll know it is the truth. Know these things: Even the devil knows that there is One God.
And of course Christians worship only one God. The reason you keep ignoring that fact and perpetrating an Islamic lie is because it is the only basis on which you can continue to remain in the spirit of antichrist as a follower of Mohammed. But Christians know that God is only one God:
Mark 12:29
... The Lord our God is one Lord: ... 32 ... for there is one God; and there is none other but he: The devil knows this. Knowing this, and knowing his punishment- just as real as you know your own name- the devil still chooses to disobey God- even though he had DIRECT orders from God, not through a prophet, not through other angels; but from God Himself. Yet the devil disobeyed. You still have options while you are alive- so that you can correct those things that you have did wrong. You have time left, if God so Wills. So what will you do? Will you keep propagating something that Jesus himself have never taught? Or will you learn from those things strictly that have been directly narrated from the Prophet?
I will simply continue to put forward what I am taught through the Word of God and try to help those that have been deluded by THE false prophet to overcome that spirit of antichrist.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.Who do you suppose THE false prophet is, my friend? The tooth fairy?
Or a false prophet that was the exact opposte of Jesus Christ and created a religion that is antichrist and has led his minions to perdition for 1400 years and another 1.5 billion in the world today, because they have not a love of the truth? Because they hate others, particularly Jews, and even Sunnis and Shiites for each other.
Rom 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.Jhn 13:35
By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1Th 3:12
And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all [men], even as we [do] toward you:1Th 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.1Jo 4:11
Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.Will you then enter into Islam, seeking to serve Only God, the One Who Created you?
PS- before you make a quote from the bible, be aware that most of the books of the bible have authors that are unknown to everyone alive except God.
But you are taught these foolish lies to keep you immersed in that spirit of antichrist.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.At least you seem to understand that yours is a stand alone religion that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of Christianity. I can only lead you to the water. The rest is between you and Jesus. The Lord will quicken whom He will:
Jhn 5:21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. What I mean is that noone knows who wrote John- though they speculate. Noone knows who wrote Matthew- though they speculate. Noone can say 'the author of Matthew is 'X', born in 'Y', son of 'Z'...etc'. Meaning noone except God knows their identity. If someone is to come to deliver you a message- the first thing you will ask is: who is it from? And if you do not know the sender, then you simply ignore the message. Surely, an important message from someone who knows its importance will include the unmistakeable author of that message.
Peace man.
The Gospel of John was written by John the Apostle. Jesus' favorite Apostle.
The last book that John wrote - Revelation - was written when he was an old man in about 95 AD.
Why not try reading the Gospel of John some time?
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/#gospel_of_john
