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resistingrexmundi

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Three Conversations with an angel
« on: July 31, 2009, 11:25:49 AM »
In the bible we find that satan approaches Jesus in the wilderness and tells him that he will give him all the kingdoms under his control if He will but bow down to him. Jesus not only told satan no but he also resisted his temptation with the Word of God.

In the islamic tradition we also find a figure in the wilderness/cave and an "angel" appears to muhammed and tells him to read. The account ends up with this "angel" trying to either strangle or press the life out of muhammed until he finally does as instructed. Though the results of what happened seem to show muhammed taking the same offer Jesus denied. Later the angel is identified as "Gabriel". This is interesting too as everytime Gabriel was mentioned in the Gospel he said, "Fear not" and "Be of good cheer". I am willing to bet that if Mary or Joseph had doubted his word Gabriel wouldn't have strangled them.

In mormonism "Gabriel" again appears with a similar message that he is here to reveal more of God's message to him. joseph smith took a similar tact as muhammed and when questioned on the validity of his message more "revelations" would come. joseph smith also believes that what he dictated is but a copy of some tablet in heaven. Something muslims believe of the Qur'an.

So either Gabriel has been very busy OR someone has had some smoke blown up their chimney.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2Chronicles 11:14


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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 11:53:59 AM »
Coptic priest Zakaria Botrous on that subject as it relates to Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsWnbApBNw

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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2009, 12:09:17 PM »
I was mistaken about Gabriel in Mormonism. The Angel was named Moroni.
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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2009, 05:40:44 PM »
Fitting name, moroni...

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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2009, 07:45:46 AM »
Very fitting indeed. Moroni- from the derivative MORON. Jk :D
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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2009, 03:28:15 PM »
Guys I think it's important to keep in mind that it might not help folks to overcome false prophets or unsound doctrine if we ridicule it or hit them over the head with it. There are a lot of read-only participants in this forum if the view counts on the threads are any indication, so we don't know who is reading what we write. Already 43 views on this thread.

I am guilty as well, particularly as regards Muslims, but the stark contrast in the nature of Islam being perfectly opposite makes it somewhat difficult to be seen as being other than meanspirited, accompanied by the fact that each identifies the other as being guilty of speaking unspeakable blasphemy, in regard to the others book. But that still doesn't excuse me.

But let's try and do all things in a spirit of love first, trying to look through the eyes of those we are addressing, putting ourselves in their shoes.
Bear in mind that if we had been born into a Mormon family we would have started out being trained to be Mormons, just as if we had been born into a Muslim family, we would have started out being trained to be Muslims.

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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2009, 08:28:35 AM »
My apologies Brother Pete. I actually felt remiss after posting this. You have my permission to remove my last comment. Thank you for your response.

God bless.
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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2009, 09:09:08 AM »
My apologies Brother Pete. I actually felt remiss after posting this. You have my permission to remove my last comment. Thank you for your response.

God bless.

I wouldn't remove it with your permission, but I would at your request, along with this one. I will then move my other comments to "forum decorum".

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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2009, 09:16:37 AM »
Please do what you feel is necessary. I do not want to be a stumbling block for anyone. Especially someone who is looking for a way out of false doctrine. Again thank you for your response.

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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2009, 09:54:21 AM »
Please do what you feel is necessary. I do not want to be a stumbling block for anyone. Especially someone who is looking for a way out of false doctrine. Again thank you for your response.

God bless

Please don't get the impression that I am trying to be difficult with you brother because I certainly am not and I love you.
Regarding removing the post I think you may have missed the point.
It isn't about what I think is necessary.
Nor as earlier expressed about receiving my permission.
It is about what you want.
If you want me to remove the post I will do so simply at your request.

But as I was writing this just now I wondered if it might be better remaining, as a beautiful example of true repentance, and contrite heart, as a result of your having been convicted by the Holy Spirit, right after you posted it. As an example for members to emulate. Perhaps that was God's purpose in it.
What do you think?

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Re: Three Conversations with an angel
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2009, 09:58:56 AM »
Certainly. So be it. All that is hidden is shown anyway. May God give the increase.

God bless.
Doth that man love his Lord who would be willing to see Jesus wearing a crown of thorns, while for himself he craves a chaplet of laurel? Shall Jesus ascend to his throne by the cross, and do we expect to be carried there on the shoulders of applauding crowds? Charles H. Spurgeon