I was recently sent a Muslim video on the "how to's" of prayer showing ritual washing (Wudu).
I responded with a verse and a link, and the following conversation with an atheist ensued. I wouldn't normally include a conversation with a willful unregenerate in this forum, and I am generally not called to witness to those that can't be expected to understand because of their willful disobedience, but this one claimed to have taught scripture on several continents.
I thought it might help Muslims understand the concept of Christian posers. Many who don't even realize they are. But then that is presuming that he told the truth about his experience in the Word.
PeteWaldo (2 days ago) Show Hide
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
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ia (1 day ago) Show Hide
Like the Our Father??
PeteWaldo (1 day ago) Show Hide
Interesting you should bring that up IA. The verse I quoted on vain repetition is the warm up. Two verses later:
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
"After this manner...." Does that say repeat this prayer? No.
Rosary beads and "hail Marys" in the Roman Church come from pagan worship, primarily through Constantine. Clergy hats, incense smoke cans and idols adorning their buildings too.
Many parallels between Islam and the RCC.
brotherjw (1 day ago) Show Hide
Jesus warned the Pharisees about exactly the video above. Missing the whole point by believing we find God through acts of the flesh.
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
brotherjw (1 day ago) Show Hide
(whoops followed up with wrong ID. PeteWaldo and brotherjw are both my channels.)
ia (16 hours ago) Show Hide
brotherjw, there is ample evidence that jesus never claimed to be god. My fav is post resurrectional words to Mary Magdalan in garden: Do not touch me for I have not ascended to my father anf your father, to my god and your god. You can put any spin you want on this but it still remains the words of jesus AFTER his mortal death, and therefore with full, supernatural awareness. Theres more, but this should, although it wont, suffice. Have you read the Qur'an? Nah, didnt think so.
brotherjw (4 hours ago) Show Hide
Imagine an atheist learning how to blaspheme the God of the Bible from Muslims! You know they will force you to pay the jizya tax like every other non-muslim don't you?
Spin? What else did Jesus say after His resurrection?
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
My favorite part of the Quran is where Mohammed describes his carnal heaven as a chicken and wine serving bordello:
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ia (3 hours ago) Show Hide
No, I didnt learn the bible from muslims. In fact I have studied, taught and lectures on the bible for over 30 yrs and on a number of continents. I probably read the bloody thing before you were born. Still, keep thinking you know everything, and keep referring to carefully selective passages that prop up the root of the problem: your personal fear of death. Imagine you never die? I am not so sure you would be so 'religious' and intolerantly so.
brotherjw (43 minutes ago) Show Hide
It is you who displayed stunning ignorance of the bible and selective exegesis below.
Unfortunately you can't understand the things of the Spirit of God as a willful unregenerate:
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
As you can see it is pointless for you to converse about things that you can't be expected to understand as a willful unregenerate.
brotherjw (25 minutes ago) Show Hide
You are accusing intolerance on my part?
I was simply detailing the fate of atheists like yourself, and other non-muslims, according to the Quran:
Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Why don't you Yahoo jizya?
brotherjw (10 minutes ago) Show Hide
"...that prop up the root of the problem: your personal fear of death."
There is little that could have illustrated your unregenerate nature, and inability to understand the things of the Spirit of God, and ignorance to the scriptures, more than having written that.
Even an unregenerate that knows anything about church history would label your suggestion preposterous.
Phl 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.
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brotherjw
Indeed Christians are martyred for the witness of Jesus all around the world today, and have? been for 2000 years:
persecution. com
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How can this atheist's self-proclaimed 30 years of "teaching" the bible be understood?
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.
Understanding what a Jew is:
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all [men], as theirs also was. 10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of [them] all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them]; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
