Second YouTube chat with psychlopes

[Peter]

This conversation to remain between Pete and psychlopes as I offered him assurances of that when I invited him.

(Please ignore the out of place question marks. It's the way things copy and paste from YouTube. I will get them scrubbed out after I post the conversation)

wg (2 days ago) Show Hide

Even in your Social studies classes in grade school(even though there is a no religion in schools, talk about the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ) You Where never a man of FAITH. FAITH is not something you can prove but what you believe

wg (2 days ago) Show Hide

God is not a person. you don't know who God is. He is Not a Human. We can not even comprehend how the trinity works and if you were such a smart guy you would realize that JEWS even believe that Jesus was a man that came saying he was the son of God, and he was crucified but they still denied him. So saying Jesus was not crucified, is saying history never took place.

psychlopes1976 (1 day ago) Show Hide

We can't historically prove that he wasn't crucified, because in the Quran it only says "it was made to appear so", so from the historical point of view to people there at the time, they thought he was indeed crucified.. However, him saying he was the son of God, well every righteous person was called that in the bible. Jesus never claimed to be God. We believe he was sent by God as a mighty messenger, but not a God or the "begotten" son of God.

PeteWaldo (7 hours ago) Show Hide

Surah 19:33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! 34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

psychlopes1976 (7 hours ago) Show Hide

Jesus will die in his second coming just like any human being, and just like any human being he will be resurrected on the day of judgment, what are you trying to prove here?

psychlopes1976 (7 hours ago) Show Hide

And it would have been nice if you'd also quoted the very next verse "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. "

PeteWaldo (6 hours ago) Show Hide

What's the sonship of Jesus you bring up, have to do with Jesus death and resurrection described in Sura 19:33, that you said only appeared to be?

However denying that Jesus is God's Son, makes Muslims antichrist:

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON. 23 WHOSOEVER DENIETH THE SON, THE SAME HATH NOT THE FATHER:...

If Mary conceived Jesus and was His mother, who was Jesus father?
Hint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geGTBo2X3sY

psychlopes1976 (6 hours ago) Show Hide

"HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH the Father and THE SON" True if but Muslims deny neither, we believe in the father and the son. Jesus being the son of God like? all other righteous people in the bible were called the sons of God.

Jesus had no father, you're the one limiting God's ability by saying that Jesus needed a father, and hence that God himself is his father. Like I quoted " when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is"

PeteWaldo (4 hours ago) Show Hide

Sure. And just like all other righteous people were conceived by a virgin by the will of God.
But even what you say about Islam is false:

Surah 9.30 THE JEWS CALL UZAIR A SON OF ALLAH, AND THE CHRISTIANS CALL CHRIST THE SON OF ALLAH. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. ALLAHS CURSE BE ON THEM: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

psychlopes1976 (3 hours ago) Show Hide

Sure. And just like all other righteous people were conceived by a virgin by the will of God." ... that will always baffle you, won't it. You have to believe that Jesus is the son of God because you can't imagine that he was simply created without a father. Being born miraculously doesn't change anything, the bible is filled with people being called the sons of God. How hypocritical is it for you to only emphasize it for Jesus, to prove your point.

PeteWaldo (14 minutes ago) Show Hide

So you see? Jews and Christians understand the Old Testament to be the inerrant Word of God. Some Jews still await their promised Son of God and Christians recognize that Jesus is that promised Son of God.

Those that follow Mohammed and his STAND-ALONE 7th century religion are UNIQUELY ANTICHRIST as the most important fundamental of Mohammedanism:

Surah 9.30 The JEWS call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the CHRISTIANS call Christ THE SON OF ALLAH.... ALLAHS CURSE BE ON THEM:...

psychlopes1976 (6 hours ago) Show Hide

I quoted that verse about Allah saying it's not befitting that he should beget a son because in Christianity it's an essential prerequisite for the "resurrection" and the resurrection is taken to be proof of Jesus's divinity. And since you're trying to prove that the Quran admitted that Jesus was resurrected in a divine manner, it's only objective to include that next verse.

psychlopes1976 (6 hours ago) Show Hide

"have to do with Jesus death and resurrection described in Sura 19:33" Like I explained earlier, that Sura has nothing to do with the crucifixion and resurrection, it has to do with Jesus being human, and even though in Muslim theology we believe Jesus was saved from death by crucifixion, he will eventually die as a human on his second coming, and be resurrected again on the day of Judgment. and the verse after refutes your claim, because God is stressing that Jesus is not God or the son of God.

psychlopes1976 (6 hours ago) Show Hide

And to refute your claim even further, notice that Jesus had no peace during the crucifixion, He is claimed to have died a humiliating and painful death. So peace be on me the day I die, cannot have been in reference to that alleged death totally lacking any kind of peace.

psychlopes1976 (6 hours ago) Show Hide

Also, needless to say you're indulging in hypocrisy by trying to prove the crucifixion using the Quran, which supposedly means you take it to be truthful, by quoting a verse that you have to interpret your way for it to fit the bill, but then forget all the other verses that explicitly says that Jesus was not crucified nor killed.

kb (6 hours ago) Show Hide

According to the Jews in the Talmud, Jesus is the bastard son of a Roman soldier called Pandera and was adulterously conceived in menstrual filth. How ya' like them apples?

psychlopes1976 (5 hours ago) Show Hide

Well the Talmud is no source of credible history my friend. And it authors are people who had an agenda and didn't want? people believing that Jesus was sent by God.

RB (1 hour ago) Show Hide

This are the key word pete
"The day I die", meaning if jesus died christians claim, it should then say " the day I died".

RB (2 days ago) Show Hide

Praise be to Allaah, we seek His help and His forgiveness. We seek refuge with Allaah from the evil of our own souls and from our bad deeds. Whomsoever Allaah guides will never be led astray, and whomsoever Allaah leaves astray, no one can guide. I bear witness that there is no god but Allaah, the One, having no partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger

PeteWaldo (1 day ago) Show Hide

"...whomsoever Allaah leaves astray, no one can guide..."
What an awful false god you worship following your phony prophet Mohammed.

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.
brotherpete. com/index. php?topic=488.0
watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM

RB (1 hour ago) Show Hide

So you liked "Whomsoever Allaah guides will never be led astray" and you didn't like "whomsoever Allaah leaves astray, no one can guide". Fist these words are cited in ONE single verse in the quran. Second, God doen't paly monkey tricks. It's black and white, right and wrong Pete. What you did is exactly what the people who wrote the bible did. They added, took off, simplified some, complicated other...and calimed to be the gospel that Jesus peace be upon him had preached.

nk7878 (18 hours ago) Show Hide

Sorry, in the real world there is no pauline christianity. That is a made up theory. If you do proper research, you find that Paul teaching = Peter's teaching = John's teaching = Jesus teachings. Sadly, some seminaries in America teach nothing to do with what Jesus taught. Beware of Jesus Seminar theologians (magicians)

fum (15 hours ago) Show Hide

I want to shave Deans beard off. He looks like a dork.

PeteWaldo (4 hours ago) Show Hide

God's people have followed Him for 3500 years, through 2 covenants, revealed in the 1600 year? record of God to mankind, through ALL of the prophets and messengers of His Word.
Its absurd to suggest that 700 years after that record closed, God would send A SINGLE, murdering, pillaging, plundering, stepson's wife taking, sex slave pimping, common thief, that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ, to nullify God's Word with his 23 year record.
brotherpete. com/index. php?board=12.0

psychlopes1976 (3 hours ago) Show Hide

PeteWaldo - you consider yourself christian even though I've been polite and only debated in good will, you are insulting our prophet just out of spite, way to show me how to "love your enemy". I'm not going to sink to your level though. And just so that you know, you're the one practicing the opposite of what Jesus taught, if anything , Muslims are following Jesus better than you are.

PeteWaldo (36 minutes ago) Show Hide

But you know as I that Mohammed was a pillaging, plundering thief.
Starting with the plunder of caravans and working up to what became the murder, theft and sexual enslavement of the Islamic First Jihad, all the way up to France.
You know even poets were murdered at Mohammed's behest, one a woman asleep with a baby at her breast.
You know he received a special surah that enabled him to steal his stepson's wife.
And the Quran instructs regarding pimping your slaves out.
I simply reported it.

psychlopes1976 (3 hours ago) Show Hide

And Jews were following the true message of God but they corrupted it with their own hands, and your bible testifies to that. Just because people have been following something for centuries doesn't make it right, Hinduism is even older, does that make it true?

Pete, you're full-of-hate words only show you for what you are, a hater who resorts to insults when he has nothing logical to respond with.

PeteWaldo (33 minutes ago) Show Hide

What hate? What insult?
Haven't you read the Quran?

Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution WHEN they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

So WHEN they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some gain!
And even if you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
Pretty convenient god eigh!

PeteWaldo (26 minutes ago) Show Hide

Who corrupted?
Muslims MUST REJECT ALL of the prophets and "messengers" of God's 1600 year record, to follow Mohammed's 23 year 7th century record.
Jews and Christians have understood for 3500 years that Ishmael? was conceived by Abraham's wife Sarah's handmaiden Hagar.
Then because of Ishmael mocked Isaac he and Hagar got thrown out of the house.
Even God didn't recognize Ishmael as Abraham's son after that:

Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine ONLY [SON] ISAAC, whom thou lovest...

psychlopes1976 (21 minutes ago) Show Hide

"Who corrupted?" lol, it's like who didn't. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie...."

And just because your "tampered with" bible tells you that was how things went with Ishmael doesn't mean its true.

PeteWaldo (11 minutes ago) Show Hide

""Who corrupted?" lol, it's like who didn't."

It's hard to imagine you are even a Mohammedan.
Certainly Mohammed didn't make this false claim in the 7TH CENTURY. Too bad you weren't around to correct his blunder!

Sura 5:68 Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye STAND FAST BY the Law, THE GOSPEL, and ALL THE REVELATION that has come to you from YOUR Lord."

So then I guess you are confirming that Mohammed was clueless according to your claim.

psychlopes1976 (18 minutes ago) Show Hide

You're so eager to point out that Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden to prove that Ishmael was inferior, yet you neglect to mention that in the bible it says Sarah was Abraham's sister. Which marriage do you see as more legitimate, marriage to a servant or marriage to ones sister. hmm, I wonder.

psychlopes1976 (3 hours ago) Show Hide

And if they were "God's people" why is it that now Christianity comes and tells them that the only way for them to enter heaven is to become Christians, and staying with Judaism would mean they would end up in hell??? Jews never believed in a 3-in-one God. Don't you think if the trinity is so true and important, God would have told "his people" about it explicitly" ???

PeteWaldo (20 minutes ago) Show Hide

"..Christianity comes and tells them that the only way for them to enter heaven is to become Christians, and staying with Judaism would mean they would end up in hell?"

Glad you ended with a question mark.
Bible teaches that Jesus has been the mediator to mankind since our beginnings. Jews were ALWAYS saved by their promised Son, their still awaited Messiah.

God Himself blinded some of them from recognizing that Jesus is that Son of God so they couldn't sin against Him..
watch?v=HOLVFwGd1no

PeteWaldo (7 minutes ago) Show Hide

"It's black and white, right and wrong Pete."

No question about it. ONE MUST CHOOSE.
The God of the Jews and Christians that his people have followed for 3500 years through 2 covenants detailed in His 1600 year record THROUGH ALL of the prophets and "messengers", or the STAND-ALONE religion of A SINGLE 7th century "prophet" from whom a single prophecy has never been fulfilled.
A pillaging, plundering, stepson wife stealing, sex slave? capturing and pimping, thief, who curses God's people.

PeteWaldo (3 seconds ago) Show Hide

"You're so eager to point out that Hagar was Sarah's handmaiden to prove that Ishmael was inferior..."
What I POINTED OUT was he was thrown out and rejected as a son by? Abraham, and that God didn't recognize him as a son of Abraham either, calling Isaac Abraham's ONLY SON.

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PeteWaldo (3 seconds ago) Show Hide

Here's how the story of Abraham Isaac? and Ishmael goes as the Jews and Christians understood it for the 2000 years before Mohammed was ever born, and unto today, as bequeathed to us by our shared book that we both consider to be the inerrant Word of God:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM

[Peter]

PeteWaldo (19 hours ago)

Here's how the story of Abraham Isaac and Ishmael goes as the Jews and Christians understood it for the 2000 years before Mohammed was ever born, and unto today, as bequeathed to us by our shared book that we both consider to be the inerrant Word of God:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VnWjnoZDM

psychlopes1976 (19 hours ago) Show Hide

"as the Jews and Christians understood it '\ you're saying it as if Jews and Christians had different sources corroborating each other, your OT is the Jews' Torah, so there's no "Christians" in this, those stories were passed down to you from the Jews. And the verse I quoted below from the O.T. says it all. Even the bible says the bible is corrupt. Deal with it.

PeteWaldo (18 hours ago) Show Hide

Jews and Christians do indeed AGREE ON the same book (Tanach - Old Testament).
Mohammed's was a 23 year recitation that changed with the author's whims. That's why a whopping 71 out of only 114 suras are subject to abrogation - naskh.
The Al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=116.0

Pseudo biblical portions came from his x-christian friend Jabr and tri-lingual Jewish secretary (Jewish and Arabic fables):
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=452.0

Mohammedans follow Mohammed.

psychlopes1976 (16 hours ago)
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psychlopes1976 (16 hours ago) Show Hide

Abrogation was not whimsical, it was God graduating his commandments and easing the followers into them, according to context, events and whether Muslims were ready to receive the new revelations. As for your claim about Jabr, what proof do you have of that or is it just that there was an x-christian in the midst of Muslims? You must take people reading your comments for fools, bring your evidence.

PeteWaldo (18 hours ago) Show Hide

Sura 4:136 O ye who believe! BELIEVE IN Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and THE SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO THOSE BEFORE (HIM). ANY WHO DENIETH Allah, His angels, HIS BOOKS, HIS MESSENGERS, and the Day of Judgment, HATH GONE FAR, FAR ASTRAY.

Another corker! You must believe your "prophet" to have blundered into that too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R2Zp7T5XlA

Come join me where we can have a real discussion if you aren't afraid:
brotherpete. com/index. php

psychlopes1976 (17 hours ago) Show Hide

"Another corker! " ... yes we believe in the books that were sent by God, but what you have aren't those books, God revealed the Gospel to Jesus, what you have is not what was revealed to Jesus, it is what you claim was revealed to men that lived after the life of Jesus. We believe in the original books, not the corrupt versions you have today.

PeteWaldo (3 hours ago) Show Hide

"...yes we believe in the books that were sent by God..."
Sorry but you don't.
You blaspheme God as did your false prophet Mohammed.

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators...10 Nor thieves...

Sura 8 - "AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)" details Mohammed's 1/5 share of the property stolen from others through imperialistic conquest. That booty included girls, and wives of others.

Thieves don't inherit the kingdom of God.

psychlopes1976 (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"You blaspheme God as did your false prophet Mohammed." You're opinion doesn't change a thing, we know what we know, and I know that your day of reckoning will come... when you yourself will have to say Jesus was not God, and that you were wrong. You can never prove that Jesus was God, because all you have is conjecture and speculation, the trinity was a concept that was "deduced" waaay after the life time of Jesus. All you have against Islam is your lack of understanding of it teachings.

psychlopes1976 (17 hours ago) Show Hide

Pete, I'm not afraid of you, what a ludicrous thing to say, but taking the discussion to a place where you have the home-ground advantage is not what I have in mind for a "true" discussion. We can have discussions via private messages here. But I'm not writing for your benefit anyway, it's obvious you have no interest in learning or changing your mind, I'm writing for the benefit of people coming here and reading your misleading comments.

PeteWaldo (3 hours ago) Show Hide

"Pete, I'm not afraid of you, what a ludicrous thing to say..."
Not ludicrous. Your prophet couldn't answer to probing either.
Dark alley of personal messaging and 500 character rapidly disappearing comment formats is a place that folks like to hide from truth.
My misleading comments?
Did Mohammed offer directions re pimping sex slaves or not?
You haven't been able to refute a single characterization I made of Mohammed yet you follow that common thief.
A whole sura devoted to stolen property.

psychlopes1976 (3 hours ago) Show Hide

"You haven't been able to refute a single characterization I made of Mohammed " Those were no characterizations, those were insults. No the prophet didn't do the things you said, he wasn't a murderer, anymore than the prophets of the OT were murderers, and when it comes to wars and the outcomes of them , he didn't do or say anything that hasn't already been done in the OT, but every instance of those had a context that you neglect to mention along with your insults.

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"Those were no characterizations, those were insults."

Was Mohammed a thief or not? YES OR NO?

9 - AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)

How would you feel if they marched into your town, broke down your door, and stole everything you worked all your life for?
Stole your livestock.
Stole your 9 year old daughter to press into sexual service?
Stole your wife to make a wife of his own among his other 3 wives?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=456.0

psychlopes1976 (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"Was Mohammed a thief or not? YES OR NO?" NO...

"How would you feel if they marched into your town..." You've already done that. It's called war, and your people have done much worse, and those wars were not arbitrary, the people you talked about broke treaties and killed Muslims etc.

"Stole your 9 year old daughter to press into sexual service?" bring your proof.

"Stole your wife to make a wife of his own among his other 3 wives?" again you're omitting context..

psychlopes1976 (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"Dark alley of personal messaging and 500 character rapidly disappearing comment formats is a place that folks like to hide from truth." Then let's meet on neutral discussion grounds, your site is anything but neutral, and your viewers are anything but objective. How you would feel if I take you to an all Muslim discussion group? Pete, you accuse xx of never having been a christian while your acts in here show you are not one either, you're full of hate.

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"Then let's meet on neutral discussion grounds, your site is anything but neutral, and your viewers are anything but objective."

I said our conversation will remain between us.

"How you would feel if I take you to an all Muslim discussion group?"

Wouldn't serve either of us because I would be censored.
I have NEVER removed a single comment from the forum or my 2 YouTube channels, or even warned, much less blocked, a poster.
You find Muslim one that won't censor me and I'd prefer it.

psychlopes1976 (2 hours ago) Show Hide

Well in all the Muslim discussion groups that I've been in, I don't recall an incident in which a comment was removed, however insults are not tolerated. Whatever you have to say, you can say without being offensive. That's called responsible freedom of speech, and being respectful. Note how you keep spewing insults when I've done my best not to be offensive to you. So, don't try to assume the moral high ground.

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"Well in all the Muslim discussion groups that I've been in, I don't recall an incident in which a comment was removed, however insults are not tolerated."

I CENSOR NOBODY.
But let's go. I am tired of squandering my time in this format.
Give me a link and I'll show you what cowards are.

"...and your people..." if you are talking about the Roman Church they killed Jews, Muslims AND CHRISTIANS.
The Roman Church is more like Islam than Christianity.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=512.0

RB (13 hours ago) Show Hide

Afraid of whom "brotherpete". I fear god and only god.

PeteWaldo (11 hours ago) Show Hide

RB that invite was extended to psyc but you are more than welcome to join me, and invite anyone you wanna bring along!
It's a lot nicer than this 500 character drive-by YouTube format. We can quote each other, post live links, and such. Look forward to seeing you there. I will keep the conversation just between the two of us:
brotherpete. com/index. php

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PeteWaldo (3 hours ago) Show Hide

You don't seem to know much about Islam.
What is the first pillar?
"There is no ilah bur Allah."
You can see that "ilah" is the substitute word for "god". That makes "Allah" the NAME of blasphemy that was assigned to God by Mohammed.
Archaeological evidence suggests it was the name of the moon god of Mecca, and long before.
There's no shortage of Arab speaking Christians that share your error through ignorance.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod. htm

By the way, you were never a Christian.

psychlopes1976 (3 hours ago) Show Hide

The translation is "there's no god but God" notice the capital G in God, when you say god you mean ilah, when you say God in Arabic the equivalent word is Allah. Get a clue.

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago) Show Hide

Blaspheming God's name and His prophets was prophesied of the Islamic "beast".

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

God's name is YHWH, Yahweh, Adonai - I AM.

Exd 3:13...and they shall say to me, What [is] his NAME?...14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dejfJNF2_s

psychlopes1976 (2 hours ago) Show Hide

Pete, that depends on your definition of blasphemy, the word Allah for Muslims is not tainted, it conjures no mental image, it does not indicate gender, and there's no statue anywhere with a brass plaque under it saying "Allah". Calling God with the name Allah is not blasphemy - you obviously don't agree with that, but your opinion - again - is of no consequence to the truth. But for christians, you say God and immediately they imagine a white-bearded man above the clouds, now that is blasphemy.

PeteWaldo (2 hours ago) Show Hide

You avoided my first charge against Mohammed:

Was Mohammed a thief or not? YES OR NO?

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

I did not avoid it, I answer "No" he wasn't. A thief is someone who steals something from innocent people. Spoils of war is not theft. Look back at your own history, what do you thin the Crusaders did with the possessions left by the people they killed|? Do you think they just left it lying around?

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago) Show Hide

There is a "psychlopes" registered in the forum already, from way back in February.
Whoever it was, created a login, but became too afraid to join me there.
Was that you?

That psy wrote:
"Wow, what a hostile environment ... lol, I'll be playing on the opponents playground. Not to worry though. I'll go"

http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=265.0

How about I copy and paste our recent chat here with it, and we can explore them both together.

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

"Whoever it was, created a login, but became too afraid to join me there. Was that you?" I registered in your site, yes, we had a similar discussion back then, but it was "fear" that prevented me from starting a discussion, it was loads of work.

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago) Show Hide

Shall I copy and paste this one in there and we can continue? I see I missed that you answered "NO" to my question as to whether Mohammed was a thief.
Let's start with that.
Even if you have a lot of work, you can pop in any time. The thread will be waiting for you over days, weeks, or even months, as you see the last one still awaits from February.
Let's paste this one in there and start with the things we missed.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=533.0

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

OK, I'm retrieving my password for that account, but we need to agree on rules of engagement, 1- no insults 2- Each gets one question at a time ... those are my conditions, let me know if you have any.

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago) Show Hide

It would be a waste of words to insult each other.
I also would very much like to explore each question/point thoroughly, before adding more elements.
Your username is "psychlopes".

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

Or insults against our prophet or Allah, you won't see me insulting Jesus or your God. I'm only debating that you're understanding of the teachings of both Jesus and God are incorrect. That is not an insult. Saying Mohammad was a thief is an insult, because it is a conclusion, you want to argue that you would say "Didn't Mohammad steal etc..." there are ways to convey your point without asserting your offensive conclusions as fact when they are not.

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

And whar's my user name there anyway? is is psychlopes or psychlopes1976

PeteWaldo (1 hour ago) Show Hide

We can start? fresh if you prefer.
Shall we revisit Abraham?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=534.0

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

"Shall we revisit Abraham?" OK, sonds good to me.

[Peter]

psychlopes1976 (2 hours ago) Show Hide

"Dark alley of personal messaging and 500 character rapidly disappearing comment formats is a place that folks like to hide from truth." Then let's meet on neutral discussion grounds, your site is anything but neutral, and your viewers are anything but objective. How you would feel if I take you to an all Muslim discussion group? Pete, you accuse xx of never having been a christian while your acts in here show you are not one either, you're full of hate.

I didn't want to leave this without attending to it.
Lots of folks are deluded into believing themselves to be Christian. Roman Catholics think one becomes a Christian when a priest sprinkles water on one's head as an infant.
xx claimed to be a Christian that had converted to Islam. Here is how we can be confident that simply isn't so:

Mar 13:22 For false Christs and FALSE PROPHETS shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, IF [IT WERE] POSSIBLE, even the elect.

It's not possible. xx had only been deluded into believing himself to have been Christian.

Please show me from what you draw the conclusion that I am "...full of hate...".

[Peter]

psychlopes1976 (1 hour ago) Show Hide

I did not avoid it, I answer "No" he wasn't. A thief is someone who steals something from innocent people. Spoils of war is not theft. Look back at your own history, what do you thin the Crusaders did with the possessions left by the people they killed|? Do you think they just left it lying around?

No they stole them. That's one of the ways we know the Roman Church Crusades were not of God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFniD2cDAlo
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=484.0

One of the reasons the Crusades got so out of hand is that men falsely believed, or pretended to believe, that they had authority from God, promise the men that went on the Crusades, permanent absolution of sin. How would one expect unregenerate men to behave if they believed they had gotten such a deal from God? Rape, pillage and plunder. Just like the Muslims in Jihad.

4:74 (Y. Ali) Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;