And then ayamen1 posts a video response on my brotherjw channel video
MECCA, THE KAABA, AND THE BLACK STONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=324A-S75PTUYet he blocks me so I can't respond to the video, or send a PM or anything else. He apparently thinks I should simply post his nonsense on my video without response. Here is his response video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1hZhlxemZATo which I replied before I discovered I was blocked
"The historical record shows that the well of Zamzam did not exist before Mohammed's grandfather Abdel Mutaleb dug it. Nor is there A SINGLE SHRED of historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before pagan immigrants from Yemen built it in the 4th century AD.
How did Abraham, Ishmael and Hagar travel from Israel - across a thousand miles of uninhabited, unexplored desert -many hundreds of years before the the first caravan route was established along the Red Sea?"
If someone else who is not blocked would like to copy and paste just this simple question into his video at the link above it would be interesting to see how he explains this.
Even his video explanation is hysterical. In the "more info" section he writes (designated [[[[[ ]]]]]] )
[[[[There were christians ( muslim haters) in the Youtube wants to disproof islam by saying there is no archecological evidance of the city of mecca before 4AD and saying Kabba was not built by Abrahim and Ishmail didnot live there.]]]]
When did it become "hate" to report the historical record, and the absolute ABSENCE of Mecca in it?
[[[[I have the proof from your own bible that Baca which is old name of Mecca was mentiened in your bible in Psalms 84:4-6)
We read in the Bible (Psalms 84:4-6) words referring to pilgrims who praise God in the Valley of Baca:
Blessed are those who dwell in your house.
They are ever praising you.
Blessed are those whose strength is in you,
Who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.
As they pass through the valley of Baca,
They make it a spring.
The early rain also covers it with blessings]]]]
Why do you suppose that Muslims always leave off the very next verse? (caps mine)
Psalms 84:7
They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.The journey described was TO ZION. That is JERUSALEM. The name of the easternmost hill.
THE Holy Land. Zion is mentioned 154 times in the KJV. Even though ayamen1 has been shown this over and over, he continues to peddle Islam's lies.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1236.0So that's what he cites as "archaeological evidence"?!!???
In fact there is NOT A SHRED of archaeological or historical evidence that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, or that the Kaaba existed before the early 5th century AD when pagan immigrants from Yemen built it for Jinn worship, and Arabian Star Family worship.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=56.0[[[[The Qur'an talks about Bakkah (the older name of Makkah) being the location of the first house of worship appointed for humanity (Qur'an 3:96-97). Therefore Makkah goes back to Adam's time. But we do not have much information about that period.
Muslim pilgrims raise their voice as they chant together the following words over and over (called in Arabic talbeyah):
Here I come (for your service) O God. Here I come.
Here I come. There is no partner with You. Here I come.
Verily Yours is the Praise, the Blessing and Sovereignty.
There is no partner beside You. ]]]]
http://petewaldo.com/hajj_umra.htm#crying_out“Allah are them, I am here.”
On the third day, [of Hajj] the 9th of Du al-Hajj, pilgrims continue to the hill called Arafa. They all wear white, showing they are in a state of consecration, according to tradition. They stand in a plain near a mount called the “Jabal Al-Rahmah,” which means the “mountain of mercy,” and they cry in loud voices from afternoon until sunset “Labeik Allahumma Labeik.” Allahumma means “Allah, are them,” so their cry is translated, “Allah are them, I am here.”
"The same cry was spoken by Arabians before Manat. They said:
Allah are them, I am here. Without the prayerful who come early before you, people will fail and abandon you, but they will still come to you in one pilgrimage after another."
"We find that when the Hajj was transferred to Islam, it presented the same religious words. When they came to the hill dedicated to the worship of the moon, they cried “Allah Akber,” which means “Allah is greater.” This is because the moon, who was Allah was viewed as head of the Star Family and was greater than the other members, Ellat, the sun, and Manat and al-'Uzza, two of the planets. The cry “Allah is greater” is not an Islamic cry but, rather, a pagan cry which the worshippers of the Star Family used to say. Pre-Islamic Arabian poetry often honored members of the Star Family by emphasizing Allah as the head of the Star Family by repeating the words “Allah Akber." For example, Loas Bin Hagar, the Arabian poet of Jahiliyah, which was the pre-Islam period, said:
I swear by Ellat and al-Uzza and all who follow their faith, and in Allah, Allah is greater than they."
more http://petewaldo.com/id47.htm#crying_ritual
[[[[So Muslims make pilgramage to mecca , which has the well of Zamzam , we praises God in pilgramage ..
The above translation is the New International Version but the name Baca or Bakkah has been changed in some versions because they are still changing their book until this day! even you will not find this name at all as they replaced it with another name .
You must see ."]]]]
He has not yet, nor will ANY MUSLIM be able to explain how Abraham, Ishmael and Hagar traveled across A THOUSAND MILES of barren, unpopulated, unexplored desert, many hundreds of years before the first caravan route was established along the Red Sea in Arabia.
