Naliakbar is "ME" and Pete is "YOU"
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Forever is a very long time, my friend. You could die this very day.
ME:
IT ABSOLUTLY IS, which is why i will follow the teaching of god to adam ....]]]]
The problem with this preposterous delusion that you suffer under is that you have not yet, nor will you be able to, present a single shred of historical or archaeological evidence, that attests to any of the pre-Mohammed Islamic history that you have been trained to believe.
The reason, of course, is that it was all created by Mohammed and his boys in the 7th and 8th century AD.
Do you understand this?
Do you understand that the place where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD is a thousand kilometers from anywhere Abraham ever traveled?
How did Ishmael travel that thousand miles, a thousand years before the first caravan did, in time to make it to Abraham's funeral in Hebron?
Did he fly on Mohammed's winged camel?
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ME:
As for where abraham traveled, did he leave a calling card every where that he travelled for you to know everywhere he went?
also when we read your bible we find:
Psalm 84:6 (King James Version)
6Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
In the quran the valley of mecca is called bakka
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YUSUFALI: The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:
PICKTHAL: Lo! the first Sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Becca, a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples;
SHAKIR: Most surely the first house appointed for men is the one at Bekka, blessed and a guidance for the nations.
Every muslim will tell you that Mecca is the first place of worship, so that is a proof in it's self that even your bible talks about the pilgrimage to this holy land.
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[[[As for where abraham traveled, did he leave a calling card every where that he travelled for you to know everywhere he went?
also when we read your bible we find:
Psalm 84:6 (King James Version)
6Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.]]]]
Don't you ever get embarrassed by peddling Deedat's nonsense?
I could understand it, if you were illiterate.
Psa 84:7 They go from strength to strength, [every one of them] IN ZION appeareth before God.
Zion is mentioned 153 times in the KJV because it is the name of a hill in JERUSALEM, where THE temple was built on the temple mount that still stands - IN ZION,
ZION is about 1,200 KILOMETERS from where Mecca was eventually built in the 4th century AD.
Can you see that now you're saying that a mass of pilgrims wandered across 1200 kilometers of, untraveled, unknown harsh Arabian desert, a thousand years before the first caravan ever did?
Or did they travel on flying camels too?
Do you see where Deedat's buffoonery got you?
The temple mount still stands IN ZION, my poor Deedat deluded friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLsniG47IO8___________________
ME:
i am not peddeling deedat's nonesense, i am peddeling God's words, i gave you the verse in the quran where it states quite clearly that the first place of worship to god was Bakka, which there isnt a single muslim sect that differs from this being Mecca, even the deviant sects agree that this is mecca so it is not what deedat is peddeling it is what god states quite clearly. the only bafoon is you because you are not blind to see the truth in what i have said to you.
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YOU:
But you also all unanimously believe Mohammed because he told you he rode around on a flying donkey-mule.
ME:
This is the most pathetic argument that I ever heard, OBVIOUSLY I BELIEVE IN MUHAMAMD(SAW) IF I DIDN'T I WOULD NOT BE A MUSLIM. I cant tell you how stupid this question comes off as, because I believe the prophet Muhammad(saw) to be a prophet of god even if he said standing in Mecca he was able to piss ontop of the Highest mountain in the world I would believe him because he is the source of my belief. Just as you bleieve everytrhing Paul teaches because he is the source of your belief.
YOU:
My friend, no matter how hard you wish it were otherwise, the TEMPLE that was built in ZION was and will always remain, 1200 kilometers from where the pagans built the kaaba in Mecca in the 5th century AD, and Mohammed's grandfather dug the well of Zamzam.
ME:
You are welcome to your belief, the history records when the grandfather of the prophet(saw) dug he found the perviuos wall of the well but such is life I am not a historian, I study theology and the fact is to this date you have not yet met my challenge of prooving your faith withotu prooving hinduism and we both you know are afraid to even attempt because you know you cannot do it. i can use your holy books to proove my faith that is how truthful islam is.
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[Pete note - When I summarized the 3 things nali cited as historical proof (other 2 elsewhere in this forum) he replied]
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2. A misunderstanding of Psalms 84:6 which in the very next verse indicates that the temple to which it refers is in ZION.
ME:
You cannot find me history of someone calling this place baca but I can definatly find you history of Mecca's original name being Bakka ........]]]]
The HEBREW name Baca came along 1500 YEARS BEFORE your Quraish 7th century ARABIC word, so don't be ridiculous.
Baca is a name for balsam trees. It means weeping. The trees weep sap when they are cut. There are some Google searches you can click on at the link.
http://www.petewaldo.com/baca_mecca.htm[[[[[....... and well I have done so already if you would only heed to the truth. ]]]]]
Then let's explore the truth rather than your foolishness.
Are you suggesting that the Old Testament Jews went on pilgrimage to the temple in Mecca, 1200 kilometers away from their temple on the temple mount in Jerusalem, to perform pagan rituals around the Kaaba?
What is ZION?
Where is ZION?
Why is ZION mentioned 154 times in Scripture?
